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    Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1163 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt lee, I understand your line of thinking and it is not the best approach nor the effective consciousness-based approach. A number of articles from FIGU confirm my words. Anyone attempting, and who has attempted, to disseminate mission and FIGU related material in this fashion has encountered a host of negative reactions, behaviors and all manner of negative actions against them. What you suggest is not the creational (consciousness-based) way. Let each person learn this for themselves through their own experiences. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2216 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie then I am afraid your understanding of this issue may need to be revised on account of what the facts are. Matt lee | |||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1164 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt lee I will trust in my own cognitions and will advise, where it is wanted, to first decide and, make the determination to work on oneself first, before venturing to help others. When one exercises the will and takes action, to study the Goblet of the Truth and the other books, then one has conscientiously accepted the responsibility to be effective in the Mission; thereby they are honored and soon recognized for their knowledge and wisdom. As wisdom is cultivated and it grows, one becomes knowing and, avoids the harmful and, is able to recognize the cause & effect, in their dealings with their fellow human beings. Through the study of the Goblet of the Truth, the individual will expedite their evolution, by centuries, further than terrestrial mankind and, will be a true human being, a spiritual gladiator, acting in all conscientiousness, in a consciousness-based wise. Consciousness-based, this term, I see a lack in understanding of it. It is foolish to try and lecture a knowing one. The knowing ones recognize the ones lacking knowledge (the ignorant) and the irresponsible ones. Let each individual learn from their own experiences. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Pkf823 Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2019 |
I don't know if I was pulsed. I didn't know until I opened these emails from the Figu Forum that everyone of you are talking about the new way of spreading the truth on the Internet, so I'd like to state the suggestions put forward by our study group(informal, QQ group): First, carefully consider the advices given by Figu, Billy and the Gblet of Truth. Don't do anything that hurts yourself and others. Always give your wise opinions only if someone ask you and that is really necessary. Yes, in the past, when the Internet is underdeveloped, it is often very difficult for us to spread the truth because we cannot always find appropriate places to meet the right people, because no one can really persuade the other face to face, which may leads to prejudice, misunderstanding, and even escalate into thoughts and behaviors of envy, hatred and revenge , which not only causing fails to spread the truth, but also unimaginable harm to the communicator and the audience. Therefore, it is very difficult to spread the truth in such situation, whether your truth is really helpful to others, or your truth is absolutely correct, and the starting point is friendly and well-intentioned. but others really do not necessarily have the time, mood, interest and ability to understand the wise words you have given. However, it has been different now than before. With the Internet, there will be many kinds of interest groups, on most of which we can be anonymous. All group members have common interests, similar cognitive levels, and a strong desire to learn. And many software and platforms for nowadays will Individually recommend the information or articles to users' mobile phones, computers or other personal electronic devices. So that everyone can receive the corresponding information in specific areas they are interested in and good at, and then each one of us gets learned and discussed, and so on. I believe that everyone have your own fields of interest, and that's right, the truth brought by the prophets are indeed in all aspects. I think these truth, no matter where they are, in any field, should be the best wisdom and cognition in this era and still in the future. So now please think about what you are interested in and what you are good at, join these internet groups of interest, disguss and spread the truth in good faith in every suitable place, and only when what you bring is the wisest in line with the truth, and it is good for yourself and others, speak out your ideas bravely and boldly, and you will certainly get a lot of likes from your friends! Maybe you will meet more intelligent friends, gain more wise insights, deepen your practice and understanding of truth, life, and spiritual teachings, and make more effective and rapid progress and evolution. So this is my suggestion. Thank you. Digression: if you have natural skills such as writing novels, painting, taking photos, making films and so on, you can creatively insert the truth into your work, which will help truth, wisdom and love spread widely, effectively and imperceptibly among people. Solome, Lin. | |||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 652 Registered: 02-2010 |
Great posts everyone and I agree, finding those of similar or common interest in other fields other than the spiritual teaching may offer some opportunities to spread the truth of BEAM's material. Sharing is different than teaching, therefore, If we keep in mind, we are still infants in many regards, and within the next few years will be a turning point in all of our lives. MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | |||
Hugo Member Post Number: 810 Registered: 04-2015 |
Pkf823, Good advice! The only thing i question is this - "....speak out your ideas bravely and boldly, and you will certainly get a lot of likes from your friends!" I think people will get way more dislikes then likes (if any). But people still need to try as the P's advised. | |||
Pkf823 Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2019 |
Like or dislike depends on two aspects. One is whether your sharing is wise and accurate enough, and whether it is really helpful to the groups and its members. The second, how is the quality (knowledge level, wisdom level, moral accomplishment level, etc.) of the groups and members. In my speaking, for groups with relatively high quality, their acceptance of wise words will be significantly higher than that of groups with relatively poor quality. The latter is obviously more difficult to convey the truth than the former. You can begin from the former. | |||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2217 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie you'll have to excuse my blunt honesty but I'll give straight and narrow. I know deep inside that you are well intentioned and have stated what you did out of genuine concern but frankly you are inadvertently harming the mission by donkey stubbornly sticking to a black and white interpretation of those verses, which there are more concerning spreading the truth, without considering the wider implications that is confusing or have the potential to confuse new forum members who haven't dealt with the Meier materials as long as we have. Now if according to as you say then who is the ultimate authority and the arbiter that decides who is and isn't qualified or learned enough to spread the teaching of truth? You? Or the individual himself/herself? What then of all of us who have contributed in our own way to the mission so far by sharing and presenting (as in just handing it out or giving the materials away) the Meier material in various ways throughout the years? Should we all be rebuked for doing so because we weren't learned enough? Why then all this call to action by FIGU and the words to the effect that we should all be active in our participation of spreading the truth? It appears that judging by the tone of your post you have effectively elevated yourself among the learned, then let me ask you, what have you done for the mission so far and how have you gone about to date in spreading the words of the truth to those that are still unfamiliar with the teaching of truth and teachings of life beyond just talking to the religious oriented persons? The vainglorious drunk on conceit and pride knows not how to listen to counsel as they are too proud to be wrong or considered to be wrong. I hope that you do recognise that you and I being one of the longer participating forum members and students of the teaching is just as fallible as any other and that our knowledge and understanding of the teaching is not beyond reproach. I hope you also realise that you and I are not the only people here who have read the Goblet, Arahat Athersata, Dodecalogue, Might of thoughts, The way to live, TJ, Psyche, And they still fly, the contact notes, bulletins, articles, booklets, articles by others, pamphlets and various other translations so lest should we be conceited and modest should we be. We should clarify this matter with Billy and ask him this... 'If an individual, however knowledgeable he or she is with the spiritual teaching, feels the self obligation to spread the words of truth, is it so wrong to present Billy's materials as is to people who aren't familiar with his contact case, whether a link, an article, a book, contact note, bulletin, booklet and so forth without engaging in a dialogue nor with the intention to teach? Is this approach in spreading the teaching ok or does it go against the directive? Matt lee | |||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1165 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt lee, Those are excellent points and questions you brought up. You have read about the "call to action" by the Plejaren but, have not yet read any of the council and advise that has been given, by various CG49, that stress what I have stated here. The Goblet Of The Truth also stresses the council and advise that has been given. Let me clarify with the following points. 1. By all means, answer the call to action, but heed the advise and council that has been given in regards to the call to action. 2. Answering the call to action is noble and honorable, but it also comes with responsibility. > If we decide to answer the call to action, then we should also be responsible and study; otherwise, we can cause more harm than the good we intended and frustrate the efforts of the responsible ones. 3. We have reached the critical point of the New Millenium. > The end of the Age of Pisces, brings about a heightened sense of alarm and excitation in persons afflicted, and they will lash out with amplified gewalt... which will multiply in increasing amplitude. 4. Responsibility and being-responsible. > Ptaah stated that the 800-year prophesied time can be drastically shortened. This is dependent on whether the efforts are Affective or Effective. > It is irresponsible to act on enthusiasm and emotion without considering the advise and council that has been given. > To be effective, we must study... anything less is of the cowardice and the laziness. When we heed the advise and council, to study the Goblet Of The Truth, the other books, the Contact Reports, etc. (as C.F. points out in the FIGU Article below), we are effective, avoid the harm spoken of and, we empower ourselves. https://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/zeitzeichen/2020/nr-137 Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Imaginosdesdinova Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2010 |
Eddie, Can you explain where Ptaah stated that 800 years can be shortened drastically? Thanks! | |||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2219 Registered: 07-2005 |
I am not sure if I did or didn't read it as it was such a long time ago but the advice of the CG49 to my recollection stated something to the effect that without due diligence and caution you can inadvertently do harm to the group and FIGU as an organisation itself and it pointed out caution against proselytizing and forcing this information upon those not ready to handle the harsh language of truth therefore one must be utmost diligent and to basically be sufficiently knowledgeable before trying to teach others or something to that effect. I must stress that to get to the point where someone feels from within himself/herself the self obligation to spread the words of truth doesn't come overnight but must require some serious and arduous effort to read and study the teaching sufficiently to get to this point. I think that there is a fail safe mechanism put in place to weed out those that are incompatible to the mission's goals via the now defunct Dr Deadorff's semi plausible deniability factor and the way this whole contact case was structured. Hence only those who pass through the so called eye of the needle are left over participating in a consistent fashion to the overall mission. Eddie I am sure you've asked yourself at one point in time after knowing the truth 'why me out of the billions of people out there and not somebody else and why am I not among the majority of the unknowing ones deeming this contact case to be a hoax' Well there is an answer there somewhere. Although we don't like to attribute undue specialness and get all stiffy neck over our persons its goes without saying that there must've been a reason for it hence why you and me and other members here have found ourselves confronted with the reality that we are having a conversation in this platform year after year and that we of all people are a select minority of very few people amongst the billions of people in this era actually studying the teaching, attempting to live by it and have acknowledged without a shadow of doubt that Billy's redelivered truth is the ultimate truth. So to sum up and this is just my own opinion but to get to the stage where a person feels the intrinsic and overriding urge to spread the teaching out of a sense of self obligation is I think an indication that they have been through the requisite stages required to be qualified in sharing the material with others. Sharing does not necessarily have to mean teaching others, only that they share the material in full awareness of the warnings given, have read the article about proselytizing, the implications and ramifications of the methods by which they share, the awareness of the cause and effect dynamics of situational and circumstantial condition under which they share, separation of desires and hopes for an ideal outcome verses the awareness of the complex factors of the real life realities and conditions of how things really are and how it'll impact upon the result, awareness of the current so called human nature and the atypical mindset of the target audience, the psychological consequences of how the material would impact on the target, preservation of freedom to choose for the recipient, the projected behavioural responses and changes as a result of them being exposed to receiving of and then being exposed to the material, their perceptual and behavioural response to FIGU and the author, the lifestyle changes that may come to the recipient as a result of exposure and the cost effective analysis of the method by which one has shared and how one can do it better. At the end of the day the whole point of the mission is for the greater masses to know the truth to hopefully have everyone alive to know the truth one day and to do that Billy shared, CG49 shared, FIGU sister groups shared, so without making a simple issue a complex one and make a mountain out of a mole hill why shouldn't we share for goodness sake (rhetorical question)? Matt lee | |||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1166 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt lee, Many of us have lost or ruined friendships. Some of us have alienated family and friends because we "shared" the Meier case with them. Etc., etc. By all means share the Meier case, but exercise wisdom, before and during, by acting responsibly and study the spiritual teaching. In this way, we more effectively learn from any mistakes and are constantly improving. A creational recommendation advises to invest time into the study of the spiritual teaching, before venturing to help others. Those who adhere to this recommendation soon enough learn (realize) its wisdom. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1167 Registered: 08-2010 |
Imaginosdesdinova I will have to locate it. It may be from Article or Bulletin. Not sure where I read it, only that it has to do with the latest call to action by the Plejaren. I'm going to look when time permits and post it here. TheyFlyblog may have it there. For the life of me I cannot recall where I read it. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1168 Registered: 08-2010 |
On The Spreading of the Meier Case Posted by scott January 5, 2020 in Misc. Discussions on The Spiritual Teaching All Too Often The Belief Of An Individual Is Incorporated Into The Spiritual Teaching By Andreas Schubiger, Switzerland https://nebula.wsimg.com/bfc2518b8485fb77ef49e39f4df94fa5?AccessKeyId=C0F879B9BB56750BC6EE&disposition=0&alloworigin=1&fbclid=IwAR1W4GOgNGcqLVDWd1Kv7NYW-R26LZOObC46NxJCYYsR0bbuDziB4iK5iJM Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1439 Registered: 07-2009 |
Now Harvard Expert Confirms Billy Meier on COVID-19 Spread https://theyflyblog.com/?p=8948 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE | |||
Patm Member Post Number: 767 Registered: 07-2006 |
EddieMartin, The latest call to arms was received from FIGU Switzerland 20-Feb-2020 and is included at: https://creationaltruth.org/Library/FIGU-Stickers Also attached:
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Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1169 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thank you Patrick. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1170 Registered: 08-2010 |
(( Let's Remember To Share )) The Following In Social Media, Etc.: Now Harvard Expert Confirms Billy Meier on COVID-19 Spread https://theyflyblog.com/?p=8948 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | |||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2220 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie you said.. Many of us have lost or ruined friendships. Some of us have alienated family and friends because we "shared" the Meier case with them. Etc., etc. #######Just exactly who are they and how many? Do you know the exact circumstances leading up to how 'the many people' ruined friendships and alienated family? Point me to where they have shared their story if they went public on SNS platform. Where is the evidence? You further stated..... By all means share the Meier case, but exercise wisdom, before and during, by acting responsibly and study the spiritual teaching. In this way, we more effectively learn from any mistakes and are constantly improving. #######Can you share your direct experience in how you went about disseminating the truth Eddie so that I can get some pointers? You said.... A creational recommendation advises to invest time into the study of the spiritual teaching, before venturing to help others. Those who adhere to this recommendation soon enough learn (realize) its wisdom. ########You are preaching to the choir here. The whole purpose of why we are here in the first place is to learn about the truth, the spiritual teaching and to make the effort to live by them and to apply the principles and wisdom we have learnt into our daily lives rather than to just talk about them. The other component that comes with the duty and responsibility of being a student of the teaching is not just to hoard knowledge for the sake of hoarding but to share this precious gift with others. I am curious Eddie when you stated in your post 1163 where you said... I understand your line of thinking and it is not the best approach nor the effective consciousness-based approach. A number of articles from FIGU confirm my words. Anyone attempting, and who has attempted, to disseminate mission and FIGU related material in this fashion has encountered a host of negative reactions, behaviors and all manner of negative actions against them. What you suggest is not the creational (consciousness-based) way. Let each person learn this for themselves through their own experiences. #######So what approach of mine was not the best approach nor the effective consciousness-based approach and not the creational (consciousness-based) way? Cheers Matt lee | |||
Aristea Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 06-2019 |
Hello Matt. . . .I am in no wise connected to Eddie, and don't know him at all, except from his posts in this forum. However, I can agree that presenting the FIGU material to ordinary people can be a daunting task. Our society is so frightened of any "alternative" reality, that it is very easy to be ostracized by people, if they think that you are thinking differently than themselves. For years I have lived an alternative lifestyle regarding my own health and eating habits, and this alone has effectively separated me from most people I know and meet on a daily basis. It even alienated me from my family, when I declared to them that I would not eat meat anymore and wanted to be a vegetarian. While that was many years ago, and attitudes toward meatless lifestyles have changed in the meantime, still the people I personally know have remained aloof from my lifestyle choice. About five years ago I discovered FIGU, and immediately started talking about it to people around me. These people regarded me with a kind of sad amusement and I was warned a few times that if I publicly professed to "believe" in any extra-terrestrial contact with earthlings, I would be regarded as someone with a kind of mental instability or mental and emotional issues. So, this effectively discouraged me from talking about it. If you have lived and worked in a community for a long period of time, it is difficult to present any new information, particularly if that information is regarded with suspicion. It would be like if I said that as an advocate of natural health, I refuse any medical interventions or hospitalization if I became very ill. It's simply not acceptable to promote that kind of attitude. So, as far as health is concerned, I do not talk about it, but live it as I wish. If I were ever contacted by an extra-terrestrial, I would probably keep silent about it, knowing the extreme mental fragility of most people around me and that they would never be able to tolerate the idea that I am in touch with ET's. Another issue with humans and ET's is "medicine". If earth humans know that ET's are on the earth, they would be clamouring and mobbing them for a cure for cancer and every other illness they have no cure for. The ET's would be blackmailed, with threats to their lives if they did not provide these cures, immediately! For this reason, they and their information need to stay in the shadows for the most part. Earth humans simply aren't receptive to the idea that there are "other" people living among them. . . . whether "star seeds" or otherwise. . . . people living in a city under Mount Shasta, (old Lemurians) and so on. . . These people have to maintain an appearance of "normality" around themselves and try to blend in. . . . if they are indeed here and among us. They would be mobbed and murdered if their presence was revealed to the public. | |||
Patm Member Post Number: 768 Registered: 07-2006 |
In the article 'No Proselytizing (Kein Mionieren)' (see: https://creationaltruth.org/FIGU/FIGU-Society/No-Proselytizing) there is a paragraph that states: Through an unnecessary, careless, and uncontrolled divulging of spiritual teaching- and internal FIGU-concerns at home as well as with friends, acquaintances or at the work place, often not only the job will be endangered but also the relationship with those related parties. Experience shows, that the general understanding with respect to the spiritual teaching is still very thinly sown. This lack of understanding then in addition can break even the relationships between closest friends, because differences, controversy and discord can come into appearance. Aggravation is still added when, if at any price, their own opinion is forced upon his/her counterpart. Durch ein unnötiges, unvorsichtiges und unkontrolliertes Ausplaudern von Geisteslehr- und internen FIGU-Belangen zu Hause sowie bei Freunden, Bekannten oder am Arbeitsplatz, wird oft nicht nur die Arbeitsstelle gefährdet, sondern auch die Beziehungen zu nahestehenden Personen. Die Erfahrung zeigt, dass das allgemeine Verständnis gegenüber der Lehre des Geistes noch sehr dünn gesät ist. Dieses Unverständnis kann dann sogar dazu führen, dass Beziehungen selbst zwischen engsten Freunden zu Bruch gehen, weil Differenzen, Streit und Hader entstehen können. Verschlimmernd kommt noch hinzu, wenn um jeden Preis versucht wird, seinem Gegenüber die eigene Meinung aufzuzwingen. The feeling of a need to prove this can only be detrimental to all involved. Salome PatM | |||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3031 Registered: 12-1999 |
Aristea, The former residents (descendants of the Hyperboreans) living within Mount Shasta are no longer there. I don't recall whether they left by themselves or the Plejarens helped them, but this was revealed in a later contact...The reason they left was because the Plejarens were offering them protection, but once the Plejarens removed their own bases from earth, they could no longer protect them, which made it to dangerous for them to remain here. (Message edited by scott on March 04, 2020) | |||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1171 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt lee There is nothing more that I can explain, or regurgitate, that would be helpful if you have not studied the spiritual teaching. Please read the above posts from Aristea's experience and carefully read what Patm shared. That should put it in perspective. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) |
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