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Daniel_7
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 - 01:20 am: | 
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Hello,
I have had various experiences of talking with others about it all. It can go badly which is why the FIGU recommends caution of knowing the limits, however knowing then makes it ok. I think it is possible to feel in the various lines of their questioning and answering how much can be revealed with an individual. On some occasions able to reveal everything, and on others just the neutral spectrum array of information without the stigmatic angst words which link all the subjects together, with some positive and interesting responses. Stigmatic angst words are for instance UFO, Ghost, Creation, Extraterrestrial, rebirth etc, I discovered that if these many words are tastefully exchanged for neutral terms such as 'Star trek enterprise rules', 'Star-gate SG1', 'Cloud of hot or cold gas', 'yin yang evolutionary sequence', 'Dude from another civilization', 'Gentlemen with the tech', 'Nature as it is seen and felt' etc then it is ok to reveal the full package with all the details. However to keep it real then the conversation must already be overlapping reality-studies, group learning, perhaps after you and the individual has been doing some rock-climbing together and have worked together in this reality based way. If conversing with a soft-skill-scientist then it is ok to omit various details, if conversing with a hard-skill-scientist it is ok to get granular on what they know about creativity without gloss paint-brushing them the arty terms, just talking facts, logic-gates, without revealing the full parameters.
Revealing the full parameters can only be done with individuals who have got over the Billy Meier counterfeit photos lip. So omiting FIGU and Billy Meier from the conversation is ok because else the conversation cannot ever go very far.
Have a nice day. |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 1319
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 - 09:06 am: |
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Over a good number of years, and a fair amount of travel, I've met many people. In the course of casual conversation I've actually ended up speaking to most of them about the Meier case.
This has also occurred even when the obvious introductory topics weren't being discussed. It's often come up when I'm asked, "What do you do?" I try to respond in a way that does "smooth the way", so to speak, if I think that it'll otherwise be way outside of their comfort zone.
Last year I was in the Phoenix airport waiting for a flight. It was crowded and there was only one empty seat next to me. A young Chinese woman - who'd just gotten off the plane from her long international flight - sat down next to me. As best I can recall, within two minutes I was showing her my site and the UFO photos, etc.
On the other hand, I've also had experiences where the subject didn't come up organically at all. Since I generally enjoy meeting and speaking with people when traveling, not every conversation need involve the Meier case. |
Justinelombard
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 06-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2017 - 01:27 am: |
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When I first found out about BEAM I did not feel the need to tell anyone about it. Mainly because the material warns against it and also because i was not really convinced myself. Those "early days" for me was more like being immersed in a very good very long novel that kept my interest and it was rather entertaining after a day at work. Then around December 2016 I found out about other internet sites where people were discussing the material and there was a rush if excitement for me because i recognised that other living folks had also discovered for themselves what I had found. So then I became more vocal about it. Not with people that I met in everyday life but mainly on the internet because there you can always put a link and let those who are interested go and explore further for themselves. I have noticed that there are one or two old friends who i never even see any more that did actually go do investigations for themselves which i am happy about (and feel good for them) But mostly my close friends and family have totally rejected anything to do with BEAM. Especially my father who is a staunch athiest. I moved back in with my parents a year ago and now I am having trouble with my father's anger and fury towards me. The way I introduced my dad to BEAMS work was a complete mistake. They came to lunch at my place once (before i moved in with them) and we got talking about the political situation... Suddenly i blurted out that it is all a big farce and that there is a better way of thinking and living. Then I showed him the they fly website stupidly thinking that he would just start reading it like I did. Following the story and actually reading for himself what I had read. A few weeks later he came back to me saying what a hoax it all is... He never even bothered to read they fly, instead he managed to find all the naysayers sites and we had an argument about it with his words to me being: If you want to know about Hitler you dont read Mein Kampf you read what others have said about him to get the full story... I have always looked up to my old man and thought he was the strongest most realistic and powerful person ever but now our whole relationship has deteriorated to a point where I have to avoid him and his fury at me. And even worse my opinion of him has lessened because I am now confronted with his anger with me and sometimes dont bother to keep my mouth shut when he attacks. We have always had robust arguments but these days I find much more strength in keeping calm and quiet rather than blowing up at him and that makes him even more angry. I have really had to weigh up my own need to be "right" versus my yearning to live in an environment where those close to me are also striving for truth. Because when ever I have tried to push "the material" onto them (close family members) it pushes them further away and these are the consequences I have to live with. I can only say that now i will be redoubling my efforts to learn and retain knowledge gained from Billys books so that I can become stronger and stronger in the truthly truth of all truth. |
Justinelombard
Member
Post Number: 23
Registered: 06-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2017 - 02:29 am: |
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Another thing regarding this subject is that I have a young child that is turning 5 years old in September and I am starting to worry how I am going to teach him about the truth in a way that is not going to put him in conflict with himself or others. He has been in a nursery school since one year old and has been religiously indoctrinated since then. Now that i changed my work to one where i can actually work from home I took him out of nursery school specifically to shield him from the religion and thinking that i would home school him. However I realised that its not going to work forever as I wont be a very good home schooling mom and he will have to go back to start his formal mandatory school career (grade RR as it is called here) in January 2018. I was just wondering if there are any other moms with young kids on this forum who are facing having to bring up young kids in a soceity that tends towards religious indoctrination at schools . I have held back from giving him any spiritual teaching ideas because I felt he was too young but am thinking of exploring the Billy for kids site with him soon... Just wondering how other moms are aproaching the subject with their young children. |
Justinelombard
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 06-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2017 - 02:30 am: |
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Something else i also want to get off my chest is a very bad experience I had on an internet group which is related to the Ubuntu movement which is an initiative in my country that is working towards a moneyless soceity. In that group there are rather aggressive proponents of the draco reptilian idea and I found myself being baited into trying to put right some of their wacky ideas. I eventually had to leave that group because I realised that their frustration and dedication to the idea that we are all slaves to the dracos was so strong that that there is absolutely nothing that I could say to change their minds. And I got first hand experience of being chewed up an spat out on that forum. It is a real pity because I still think that the underlying philosophy of ubuntu, which us an ancient African philosophy of community and caring for one another is very valid. Unfortunately the new age version of ubuntu that is being pushed now is based on "research" that is very flawed and misleading. Going through that experience on that site also once again led me to redoubling my efforts to learn in detail and retain the knowledge that BEAM has written down. It also reduced my need to tell others about BEAMs work because through making the mistakes I learned through cause and effect how this story will only sink into peoples consciousness through their own experiences of making their own mistakes. We have plenty lifetimes to learn this stuff and its not my responsibility to lead anyone else but myself to the truth. |
Doogsnova
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 04-2014
| | Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2017 - 09:07 am: |
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Another alert. Some of the most popular UFO talkers like David Wilcock and Corey Goode subscribe to the Law of One channeled teachings. I would like to have someone look into this and share more information. If you want Billy's books like the GOTT to reach more people, you are going to have to show that the Law of One material is not valid.
GOTT MOTT?
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 301
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2018 - 06:45 pm: |
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I would have to say that probably the most difficult accomplishments would be to find another person that one can discuss this material with. I’ve been studying this for over ten years and have yet to really connect with someone that is truelly searching as I was and able to recognize the truth we have here. I’m thankful for this forum as Facebook just rubs me the wrong way. I’m never giving up looking for the kindred spirit as they say and until then I keep on reading and studying and cognizing!!!!
Peace! |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 467
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 - 05:41 am: |
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Redbeard, I agree with you 100%. It's difficult to find like minded people on the Social Media platform. Yet at the same time, We are responsible for studying, learning, evolving, etc regardless. For millions of years, We've "missed opportunities". IMO, These times are the Best Opportunities, because the major of the population are Distracted in one way form or another.
MsMichelle
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Jacob
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 04:35 am: |
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The best thing I have done personally, is to quit Facebook and stop being an 'information battery' in Mark Zuckerbergs version of the Matrix.
The best place to discuss the spirit teaching is the FIGU forum.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Mosaki
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 05:52 pm: |
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I agree that it's difficult to find other like-minded folks, in real life or on social media, to discuss this material with. I've tried selectively talking to friends and family and they give me that "that's nice" look. I don't even bother on most social media sites because folks are too aggressive and psychotic to have any type of meaningful discussion. In rare instances, you can find someone who is reasonable, but they are few and far between.
Billy mentioned in a recent contact report that a large portion of the people on Earth are going nuts, and he couldn't be more right. It's nice to have a few places online where we can discuss the material. |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 06:59 am: |
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Thank you for sharing that, especially about the Facebook issues. I have gone through a season of adjustment upon initially finding and realizing what the truth is and of course what wasn't true.... Somehow the later was even harder to grasp, considering the level of deliberate deception that was undertaken....
My attempts to connect to people face to face have been mixed...
Out of my four sons I've shared it with two and only one is able to openly discuss it.
I will continue to work on qualifying people to see if they are open enough. It seems many are believing that a certain thing is true as a means of psychological comfort and coping. |
Hugo
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Post Number: 564
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 06:58 pm: |
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I have never joined any social medias and never intend too. And I often wondered why so many people did join them to tell the whole world about their private life. |
Weatherly6836
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - 07:30 am: |
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I am a new member and have found this particular forum to be very informative. I am working on my writing skills and came up with the idea of disseminating Billie's work with alternative websites, such as David Icke's website, which I am a paying member. Thinking of using my writing skills to convey Billie's teachings from the Pleidians, for a source of income. Also thought about giving 10% of my earnings from that to FIGU. I have had whole-hearted discussions with two other people about the material from Billie's books, with two and one ordered two of his books yesterday. The other is more skeptical about it. I have recently composed an intro article about the Talmud of Jmmanuel, translated into English by Julie H. Ziegler and B.L Greene. I am considering taking it to an employee of our local paper. Any input from members of FIGU, would be greatly appreciated. Salome, Mark |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2969
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - 10:16 am: |
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Hello Mark,
Initially, I believe the version of the Talmud of Jmmanuel you are referring has been updated with extensive explanations and clarifications due to numerous errors etc. which occurred due to misinterpretations, religious influence, mis-translations....FIGU has stated these earlier publications should be discarded in lieu of the most recent release. If you are interested in obtaining a copy of the newest and final version these can be located from theyfly.com or the Canadian Landesgruppe Website. Welcome to the Forum |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1114
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 - 02:47 am: |
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From Billy's book Genesis
(My translations may contain errors)
Verse 169:
Niemals wird dich ein ehrlicher und wahrlicher Verkünder und Lehrer der Wahrheit deiner Selbständigkeit berauben wollen oder dir materielle Werte abfordern.
Never would an honest and true announcer and teacher of the truth want to deprive you of your independence or demand material values from you.
Genesis 172:
So also sei dir dies ein untrügliches Zeichen, Mensch der Erde, dass du dich hüten mögest vor jenen, welche dich nur um des Profites willen angeblich <belehren> wollen.
Thus, this shall be an unmistakable sign to you, human being of Earth, that you may guard yourself against those, who only want to ‘ lecture’ you for the sake of profits.
Genesis 174:
Durch den Plan der Schöpfung ist es gegeben, dass ihre Lehre der Wahrheit ebenso unentgeltlich geeigneten Lebensformen kundgetan oder sonstwie beigebracht wird, die diese dann ebenso unentgeltlich und pflichtgemäss weiterzugeben haben, also es widerrechtlich von jeder Lebensform ist, wenn sie die erhaltene Lehre usw. nur gegen ein Entgelt weitergibt.
(Schriftenverkauf fällt dabei nicht unter ein entgelt oder unter Profit, denn Bücher und Schriften stellen ein Lehrmittel dar, das teuer erstellt und folglich auch dementsprechend wieder weitergegeben werden muss).
Through the plan of the Creation it is given, that its teaching of the truth is made known or somehow taught to suitable life forms as cost-free and that these [those that received the teachings cost-free) then obligingly have to pass them on further, so it is unlawful for any life form, to only pass the received teaching on in exchange for a charge (fees for sold publications do not count as a charge or a profit, because books and publications represent an educational aid, which is produced at great expense and which must be handed on accordingly). |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1091
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 - 10:41 am: |
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Cognitions regarding creational regulations blossom that which is the greatest, therefore, it becomes a labor of love.
Great post Tat_tvam_asi. Thanks for sharing.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 1116
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 - 11:01 pm: |
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Yes, Eddy, this is what life is all about - a labour of love.
Salome, Bill |
Tyler
Member
Post Number: 204
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Friday, May 15, 2020 - 11:36 am: |
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Hi all,
Does anyone recall what Billy's Islamic title is, from when he traveled to the Middle East and earned it from his studying of the spiritual teaching there?
On my Quora account, I'm writing about hygienic practices I learned about from the book 'Direktiven', which talks about the "ghushl", a kind of bathing practice for obtaining very rewarding bodily cleanliness. This is practiced in Islam as well.
In my Quora posts, I've been writing about this practice and have had some interest from Muslims, so I want to introduce Billy to them in a way that they'll understand, by referring to his title in the Islamic world, so they can see that his wisdom holds value.
I've been looking on the FIGU web sites and FutureofMankind wiki, but no luck in finding it yet as I can't remember it, except that it begins with the letter 'M'.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, salome. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3099
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, May 15, 2020 - 12:37 pm: |
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Tyler are you referring to the term "Mahdi"
Further explanations can found at this link: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_038 |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3100
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, May 15, 2020 - 12:45 pm: |
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Tyler,
Perhaps you are referring to the name "Mohammed Abdullah" ?
Here is a Certificate naming Eduard Albert Meier Mohammed Abdullah (scan of the original)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Mohammed_Abdullah.jpg |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 1456
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, May 15, 2020 - 12:38 pm: |
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And also:
Here’s some info:
http://www.theyfly.com/lost/meier.mahdi.htm
http://www.theyfly.com/Mohammed%27s_Teachings.htm
http://www.theyfly.com/Meier_on_the_Truth_about_Mohammed.html |
Tyler
Member
Post Number: 205
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2020 - 08:46 am: |
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Thanks you two, yes that's exactly what I was asking about.
I actually had tracked it down after I was tracking down the German original text from the Future-of-Mankind article on auras, and incidentally that special bulletin (no.38) is also the one which mentions the Islamic prophecy and Billy's title.
Funny happenstance, but having the certificate is even better. I hope that some people will accept its authenticity, but I think there are some Muslims who will, because I've had a good reception on Quora, where people ask indirect questions about the spirit teaching all the time. |
Tyler
Member
Post Number: 208
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 12:45 pm: |
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Phew, thanks again a lot for sharing with me that information, you both.
Today, on one of my Quora posts relating to Muhammad's reputation, a young Muslim thanked me for defending Muhammad, and I informed him that I was just conveying what I learned from Billy, whose Muslim title is Mohammad.
His response was, in my opinion, a little too positive when I spilled the beans, and I fear that means he will get very angry when he finds out that Billy is not JUST restoring Islam's reputation but also countering against the beliefs with logic.
I feel optimistic, though. Quora is turning out to be a wonderful instrument for the mission, and I feel I can say that I have really put down a proper seed somewhere it was intended to land.
But this leads me to consider that there has to be a lot of careful logic when considering how exactly to inform someone, because this must have something to do with maintaining the equalisation of the psyche.
Since I delivered the news in perhaps a bit too exciting of a way, I fear his response will be too excessively positive. I tried to warn him about Billy's criticisms, though, to hopefully help him to balance his psyche in the middle of extremes.
It leans me to suspect that the best delivery of the good news will come in a positive-neutral form, so the other person can receive it without too much agitation or excitement.
Feels a bit like surgery work hahaha. |
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