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    Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 01-2011 |
Hi Matthew, Still I thank you for taking the time to find more info on the subject. Interesting read what you found in addition. Well that clears up the situation a bit that Jung was not totally dismissive of the reality of the ufo's. I see that our day psychology sciences have not progressed since then to put in consideration of such realities. I do not want to take anything from Jung, but I have a feeling that the idea of collective subconscious is not exclusively his own.. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2453 Registered: 07-2005 |
I do not want to take anything from Jung, but I have a feeling that the idea of collective subconscious is not exclusively his own.. Great point Jakubas it really is because this statement of yours has now opened up so many other possibilities that we may have overlooked namely that since Billy met a lot of people over the years especially the so called famous people whether during his childhood with Sfath, his period of apprenticeship with Asket and during the foundational creation of SSSC with the help from the plejaren right up to today, how many original Creational spiritual ideas were actually surreptitiously and serendipitously implanted and indirectly impregnated into their minds for it to have become mainstream is a possibility that I truly believe. Now and then I get really surprised when I encounter people who I least expected them, of all people, to know about Creational spiritual ideas, aphorisms, proverbs and sayings spout such ideas in everyday conversation that cannot be attributed to any biblical and religious sources who out of the blue do so anyway. I wonder how many people have been subconsciously and indirectly influenced this way over the years for the spiritual ideas to spawn and be released into the mainstream via people as what sounds wise but good often gets repeated for people to get their contextual point across to prove a point in conversations. Obviously social media and the internet has also played a major part where chatrooms and various forums are ideal place for ideas to spread but when I include spiritual ideas in everyday conversations with people during the course of the day, the process of seeding spiritual ideas makes them so familiar overtime to the listener that overtime they convince themselves that those ideas come from themselves so once they encounter Billy's direct source it won't be so foreign to them. It most probable that some of the seminal ideas and psychological theories Jung had come up with actually came from his conversations with Billy. Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1533 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Matt. It may well be that - in this instance - Ptah may have referred to the scientist who invented it rather than the person who transported it. Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1534 Registered: 04-2011 |
PS I have not yet found your passage. But in CR 743 of June 16 (published July 19, 2020) Ptaah tells Billy "that human beings in America have no idea about the true origin of the rampantly spreading corona disease and that the real culprit for it died decades ago and that the rampantly spreading corona disease is a posthumous revenge for dirty ... governmental machinations..." | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 03-2011 |
The term "collective unconscious" first appeared in Jung's 1916 essay, "The Structure of the Unconscious" so could not have come from Billy. My own view is that Jung assisted with setting the conditions for the beginning of the most important investigation in history, not plagiarised ideas, as Billy wouldn't have had any interest in Jung were that the case, nor asked him to check one his early important publications. Jung's ideas gave him the standing to seriously challenge his niece to find some good evidence to support that "they fly" and that UFOs were real and by all accounts she did, showed Wendelle and kick started the whole investigation so I see Jung's input as positive if it meant his niece was made more determined by the skepticism he showed her. A complex weaving of interpersonal lives and events based on those people's choices, rather than alien herded impulse sheep, would seem more accurate. PatM With all the recent and new information about Wendelle from Michael Horn and the photographs revealing, in my view, a Lockheed Blue Hue, this means that around that time, the late 70's and early 80's, it's anyone's guess when Wendelle's first time in Switzerland was and how he got there and I'm not going to say if that info from FIGU is right or not. I'd need to do more checking as those events are more multi-layered and open to further questioning now. Fascinating that they can be all these years on. You could be right, but, those who knew Wendelle would not have known of any earlier trips had these been by beamship and I doubt Wendelle would give a wrong date, if asked when he first went even if this was by beamship as who would have asked had he not mentioned it? Matthew | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2454 Registered: 07-2005 |
Your welcome Bill. I was under the impression that the person who died 10 years ago back in 2010 was the hateful/vengeful American that passage was referring to but I could be wrong. If my memory serves me correct or as far as I can remember there were only 2 high and mid rank diplomat and state officials out of all the people associated with the ping pong diplomacy who died in 2010 with Alexander Haig being one of them. What I remember before cut and pasting that section off from the CR was that I had to get it from Michael's theyflyblog article of the CR. Cheers Matt lee | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3211 Registered: 12-1999 |
Contact Report 757 just released, Sfath actually met Pastor Zimmermann prior to Billy's birth and took him for a ride up above the planet.....The Swiss Air Force was given permission to photograph Semjase's beam ship.... https://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/kontaktberichte/figu_kontaktbericht_757.pdf | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1293 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thank you Scott for sharing Contact Report 757. Last week I had the idea to read the Contact Reports from the beginning, starting with The Sfath Contact Reports. Naturally, because of my study of the Goblet Of The Truth, I was now able to extract far more, for my own benefit, than when I initially read the Contact Reports; A rather fascinating phenomenon. In particular, as it pertains to Ptaah's explanations in CR 757, was my curiosity regarding the Pastors who appeared rather knowledgeable and acquainted with BEAM's experience at age 5. (See snippet below). Sfath CR: "My first UFO sighting and the first subsequent contact" "This was a reason for me to approach one of our Protestant pastors, in the hope that he would help me. He then did this very helpfully and with obvious knowledge of the situation, even though I had never told him anything before. As it seemed to me, he was well informed about UFO matters and had a great deal of knowledge in this regard. So he cleared me up in the matters of UFOs and my "inner voice" and the "inner pictures" and explained to me that I should attempt and try as fast as possible to give a response to the voice continuously calling out in me. I can still remember very well that he, while friendly laughing, took away my anxiety with the words, "You need not be afraid, because you know what you hear and see inside you, that's just telepathy." Then, to my astonished and probably also rather uncomprehending face, he explained to me very exactly what I had to understand by telepathy. Together with this, however, he still explained to me very many other things, which I still could not fully understand at that time as a five-year-old boy, but which I learned to understand fully in later years, as I also became aware that this old and lovable pastor was an initiate." http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/My_first_UFO_sighting_and_the_first_subsequent_contact Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3212 Registered: 12-1999 |
If I recall Pastor Zimmermann was involved in the mission at an earlier time....which may explain his acceptance and comprehension.... | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1294 Registered: 08-2010 |
Yes, their purpose (determinations?) were to be helpful to their flock in the factors of religion-based belief. Although unsubstantiated at the moment, they could very well have been of those "helper personalities" that long ago committed themselves to assist the prophets. Interesting to me was the fact that Sfath took them to suborbital space and let them see with their own eyes. Likely received further explanations before being brought back down to Earth. I hope that one day, Ptaah may share from the annals of his father Sfath, what the Pastors were taught and what were their experiences. Would it be correct to pass this wish to BEAM to ask Ptaah if he would please share it? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1501 Registered: 07-2009 |
The English translation from Joseph Darmanin (FoM) is also here: https://theyflyblog.com/2020/11/billy-meiers-757th-contact/ | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1298 Registered: 08-2010 |
Regarding Sfath and the Pastors that he initiated and took up into space and prepared them to help young Billy. I received the following great news from Christian Frehner. You may read about this in Billy's biography which I'm just in the process of correcting, i.e. volume 1. (Volume II is in the process of being written.) Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3213 Registered: 12-1999 |
Per Michael Horn, There will be further information to come regarding Wendelle Stevens involvement with the Plejarens, if I understood his comments correctly  .. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3214 Registered: 12-1999 |
More info from Michael about the Stealth Fighter Photos: https://theyflyblog.com/2020/11/billy-meier-time-travel-and-groom-lake/ | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2465 Registered: 07-2005 |
https://theyflyblog.com/2020/11/billy-meier-time-travel-and-groom-lake/comment-page-2/#comment-196527 https://theyflyblog.com/2020/11/billy-meiers-757th-contact/ William park was a test pilot at lockheed but got injured during a test flight. He tapped harold carlson "hal" farley jr to skunkworks to replace him. He received his secret clearance 3 months later after being in the penalty box. The project code name was "senior trend". Harold became a project pilot and the first test pilot for the first full scale development Lockheed YF-117A Nighthawk, 79-10780, which made its first flight at Groom Lake on the June 18th, 1981, at 6AM with Harold as the test pilot. The secrecy surrounding this plane had the same classification as the manhattan project. So it was indeed above top secret special access project that people would've killed for to maintain its secrey back in the day. Had Wendelle got caught at the groom lake he would've never made it alive from there. Its a good thing that Asket was there with him. I think Harold is still alive so I left a comment on his channel. Obviously due to binding non disclosure agreement Harold will deny ever having seen a UFO but it'll be interesting to jog his memory by contacting him and showing Wendelle's photos to him which I believe Harold saw Wendelle on the ground taking snaps and Asket's beamship hovering below his F-117 close by to where Wendelle was. Could any of you fellow forum members be able to contact Harold? Kenneth? It'll be fantastic for the Billy Meier contact case if Harold can manage to go out on a limb to confirm his experiences on that fateful day. Please see F-117 Nighthawk- MYSTERY REVEALED, Lockheed Skunk Works top-secret stealth program documentary. Matt lee | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 11-2008 |
Newinitiation (Matt), You said: "Had Wendelle got caught at the groom lake he would've never made it alive from there. Its a good thing that Asket was there with him." I could be wrong, but I am assuming that Asket gave Wendelle Stevens a small device for him to wear to make him invisible before putting him down on the ground so that he could take photos of the then classified Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk in 1981. The reason why I say this is because Asket had also given Billy such a device to wear to make him invisible when close to other people. Now that I think of the time-travel aspect of it, I think it is maybe perhaps possible that in 1981 there could have been 2 Wendelle Stevens at the same time in different locations. The reason why I say this is because of the following: 1. Wendelle Stevens meets Asket in 1969. 2. Asket takes Wendelle Stevens aboard her beamship to time-travel from the year 1969 (or maybe later since we not know the exact date when Wendelle Stevens had actually time-travelled to the future with Asket) to the year 1981 to take photos of the then classified Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk together with Asket's beamship which is only visible to Wendelle while he is taking the photos of the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk. 3. After Wendelle Stevens has finished taking his photos of the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk, he is picked up again by Asket and then they both time-travel back to the year 1969 (or whenever the actual time-travel to the future itself took place). 4. Wendelle Stevens then lives the rest of his life investigating UFO cases and so on and so forth. 5. Then when June 1981 approaches, I'm assuming there should be 2 Wendelle Stevens. The "first" Wendelle Stevens would be taking photos of the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk in Groom Lake, Nevada. And the "second" Wendelle Stevens would obviously be somewhere else doing something different. This is my opinion, and yes, obviously I could be wrong with what I have just said. Fair enough. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 574 Registered: 11-2008 |
Actually, when one thinks about it, there could be another possibility for Wendelle Stevens to have taken the photos of the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk in Groom Lake, Nevada. 1. Wendelle Stevens meets Asket in 1969. 2. Asket tells Wendelle Stevens that in June of the year 1981 he will take photos of the highly classified Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk in Groom Lake, Nevada. 3. Asket herself time-travels to the year 1981 and picks up Wendelle Stevens so that he takes his photos of the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk in Groom Lake, Nevada. 4. Asket then picks him up and then leaves him to whatever he was doing in June 1981. Therefore, in this scenario there should not be "2 Wendelle Stevens" in June 1981. Only one. Although the first scenario which I mentioned in my previous post is more likely what had happened. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3216 Registered: 12-1999 |
Joe, I am trying to find out when this "time travel" event occurred, but your second scenario of picking up Wendelle at a future time, never occurred to me, Ill see if I can find that out also.... | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2011 |
There are some aspects to the 469th and 471st contact reports about Merdynn (Merlin) and King Artur (Arthur) that suggest there's more to this mythical story than meets the eye, and not just in terms of Ptaah's clarifications about that time. Firstly, there's nothing in that information to indicate that Artur had any qualities to be a king. Ptaah describes Artur as, "neither a courtly king in shining armor nor a good-hearted and noble hero," and as, "a brutal and stubborn man to whom human life meant little or nothing". Secondly, Merlin had all the qualities and ancestry to be a king. His father was King Morvryn, his mother was a daughter of the King of the Demetier and he was a well-versed druid, according to Ptaah, "a bard, a doctor, a teacher, a prophet, a historian and ultimately the king and prince of druids of the Demetier tribe from South Wales." Merlin was, "Arthur’s military advisor" and the Caladvwlch sword (Excalibur) was made for him and he fought in battle with it. So what were the High Council thinking in their “Vorausschau” (German = view into the future) that Artur would, "transform Henoch's teachings of love, peace, harmony and the freedom and equality for all people into reality"? Could be wrong here, but this information would make sense if there was a sub-narrative along the lines of 'Merlin was the incarnation of the Nokodemion spirit form and Artur was the future incarnation of Pelegon, as there's no other reason, other then we call him king Arthur today because of a myth, in Ptaah's information to indicate that Artur could have achieved anything like peace on earth and before Merlin could have achieved this, who was his superior in every sense and had royal blood on both sides of his family, according to the information in those reports. Matthew | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2469 Registered: 07-2005 |
Joe you stated I could be wrong, but I am assuming that Asket gave Wendelle Stevens a small device for him to wear to make him invisible before putting him down on the ground so that he could take photos of the then classified Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk in 1981. The reason why I say this is because Asket had also given Billy such a device to wear to make him invisible when close to other people. Obviously as we all know here none of us have the entire facts surrounding this episode including me so I could be wrong here too so take my statement with a grain of salt as conjecture and speculation. My only issue with statement of yours is why would Asket take all that trouble and risk to set Wendelle on the ground in one of the most highly restricted and guarded area in the entire world just to be invisible when one of their purposes of doing this time travel in the first place was to provide some form of demonstrable evidence of their existence on top of them showing the capabilities of their highly developed technology in order to provide additional substance that makes the case and all that they have publicly stated through the contact notes logical, congruent, consistent, understandable, reasonable and sensible. For all I know if being invisible was their objective in a future time they could easily have had Wendelle fly in a drone or 2nd beamship taking picture of Asket's beamship from the inside with the F117 nighthawk in the background for added security for Wendelle just in case something went wrong. Asket would've had to have been thinking about the contribution her act of taking Wendelle into this specific date and time for the mission in the future and the repercussion and the consequences it was to going to have down the line least of all what it was meant to do for Wendelle as a prepartory and deomstration exercise. The question is why did she choose this specific date and time especially a situation where the 1st maiden test flight of a F-117 nighthawk was going to take place and not the period where the next generation of stealth bombers was to fly. There must be a good reason we have yet to understand yet. Was it for Wendelle himself seeing as he was also a pilot? To a seasoned veteran like myself mentally dealing with the latest revelation about this nighthawk episode and Wendelle's time travel, in the back of my mind there must be something that ties their action with/to/for this mission for preparation of what is going to happen in the future superceding the 70's, 80's and beyond. I am drawing a parallell of Semjase's run in with the Swiss jet fighter with Asket's run in with a nighthawk and asking this question in that although Asket's experience happened in the future, is it because it happened in the future and Wendelle was also with her that, for the sake of the argument, she cloaked her beamship to invisibility whereas Semjase didn't because it happened in the present time of hers? I am also asking for the sake of the argument that if Asket didn't cloak her beamship, wouldn't that act alone create a fantastic opportunity as it did Semjase to leave further evidence of their existence through a reliable witness in the form of the pilots themselves who may reveal something about their experience in the future before they pass away which will only add further credibility to the Meier contact case if at all it happens. You must also consider that these two significant events happened in the 70's and early 80's not really that long after the mission started with the Plejaren. So I am assuming that they must've been very very busy laying the foundational evidence materials that backs up the authenticity of the case whilst also factoring in the plausible deniability factor and many other consideration and not least providing proof of their existence to the powers that be in the hopes of getting these decision makers and power holders to do the right thing and take on board their prophetic and prediction warnings. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2470 Registered: 07-2005 |
Joe in response to your 2nd scenario I was under the impression that Christian definitely told Michael that Wendelle definitely time travelled into the future with Asket. Can anybody here clarify whether this is the truth or is it some misunderstanding from a miscommunication? What is the fact? Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1536 Registered: 04-2011 |
Can a spirit form exist twice at a given time? (My impression was...) "... Christian definitely told Michael that Wendelle definitely time travelled into the future with Asket. Good you mentioned that Mat, I was just about to mention that it could have been a real vision. But to answer Joe's question: When we think of the Plejaren time-travelling with Billy into the future (e.g. SF earthquake which acc. to Edgar Cayce may be in (2)052) and then being somewhere else at that (maybe (2)052) future time - there definitely must a double-up of Quetzal's spirit form when that time arrives. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1537 Registered: 04-2011 |
Billy discussing Time Travellers in CR 142 A different explanation may be that the time travel takes place in a different time dimension, i.e. a dimension in which the measure of time (speed of universal expansion) is different to the time traveller's startup time dimension, so perhaps he may be travelling “there” but his spirit form stays in his own dimension. IOW, the present day spirit form can never be really a part of a (future/past =) different time dimension… But this is only my own layman's interpretation - What do other Forum members think after reading CR 142:89-110 ? http://www.futureofmankind.info/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_142 To better understand the CR's German version I need to re-translate one segment of the existing translation on the FoM: It should be changed from “time travel” to “time traveller” (Billy speaks not about “Zeitreisen” (time travel) but “Zeitreisende” (time travellers) Billy to Semjase (after CR 142:98) (My translation may contain errors) I just want to make sure. All right: So time travellers, when they are in the past or future, they are always other-dimensional than the past or the future itself [i.e. different to what exists in this past/future time]. But now there is the possibility, as I know from Asket and from you and was allowed to experience this, that there are technical possibilities to make oneself visible in the past or future and to communicate with the life forms there. However, the only way to make oneself visible is by means of technical devices, or through the forces of consciousness, to condense the matter of the time traveller to such an extent that the life form becomes visible as an energy body, but through which one can reach through, because it remains differently dimensioned in one way or another. Have I said [expressed] that right [correctly]? Semjase: Certainly. German Original: Billy Ich will nur sichergehen. Gut denn: Zeitreisende sind also stets in der Vergangenheit oder in der Zukunft andersdimensional als die Vergangenheit oder die Zukunft selbst. Nun besteht aber die Möglichkeit, wie ich von Asket und von euch weiss und dies auch erleben durfte, dass es technische Möglichkeiten gibt, sich in der Vergangenheit oder Zukunft sichtbar zu machen und Kommunikation mit den dortigen Lebensformen zu betreiben. Dabei ist das Sichtbarwerden jedoch nur so, dass durch technische Geräte, oder durch Bewusstseinskräfte, die Materie des Zeitreisenden so weit verdichtet wird, dass die Lebensform als Energiekörper sichtbar wird, durch den man aber hindurchgreifen kann, weil er so oder so eben doch andersdimensioniert bleibt. Habe ich das richtig gesagt? Semjase: Sicher. |
