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    Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1306 Registered: 08-2010 |
Joe, You have provided the much needed clarifications. 1. The tree itself was the actual projection. 2. The beamship was real. 3. The tree that was projected "stood about 25 meters below the place". 4. It was all done in a manner in which every discerning eye and thorough examination would clearly and factually conclude that the photos/film could not be faked, nor models used. This begs the question: Is the tree observable within the photos or film?? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2492 Registered: 07-2005 |
Joe you said to Eddie. Eddie: "Because it's a projection of an actual event taking place, then the beamship should be reflecting what it was actually reflecting of its surroundings." Joe: Exactly, and that's how it is in the photo that Matt recently posted of Semjase's beamship. I honestly see no anomalies in the reflections of the beamship.    Joe you said to me. You are mistaken because in that photo you had posted of Semjase's beamship going round the tree, there are NO anomalies in the beamship's reflection! Did it not cross your mind that maybe there were OTHER REAL trees close by when that photo was taken? Come on! That reflection from the beamship that you are talking about has nothing to do with a real projection. It is just a normal reflection. __________________________ Joe then what exactly is the source of the reflection do you think? Its a fantastic point that you have raised that maybe the tree is the only real projection but not the beamship but if this was the case then how do you account for the reflection (A) given the surrounding landscape (C) Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2492 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie you said Note the following: 1. The tree is located a certain distance from where BEAM stood photographing. 2. As a projection, the beamship is reflecting the surroundings around the tree at the actual location. 3. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the tree is visible within BEAM's photos... only with the beamship invisible (since it was a "real projection" happening in real time). 4. Is there a tree in the photos that matches the tree in the projection demonstration? Seeing as the plejaren have to protect all fauna and flora if they can help it what if the tree and Semjase's beamship is a real projection real projected separately away from each other but the only thing is Semjase just simulated going around a tree and projected this simulation whilst a separate tree from afar was simultaneously being real projected. Simply put the location where Semjase did a 360 degrees was from a totally different location to where the tree was that was being real projected onto the final location. So Semjase's beamship never touched a real tree doing the 360 degree movement nor did the tree being real projected come anywhere near her ship because they were projected separately from separate location simultaneously. Matt lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1307 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt, Joe, here's something interesting. According to Ptaah's clarifications, only the tree was a projection. Since it was, by their definition, a "real projection" - meaning that it would exhibit the effects of the tree actually being there - this would explain why the tree is reflected by the beamship. Considering further Ptaah's calrifications, it is quite possible that the actual tree is in the photo - located 25 meters away. ALSO: This particular demonstration flight was intended to remove any doubts and not intended for the faint of heart. This demonstration was for real researchers and analysts that avoids any doubts or discrepancies. So begs the question: Is the actual tree some 25 meters away in the photos? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2493 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie which contact note was this that Ptaah stated only the tree was a real projection? If this was the case then what is reflecting off of Semjase's beamship in (A)? Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2494 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie you said So begs the question: Is the actual tree some 25 meters away in the photos? If you check out the panoramic view there is no tree of the size, shape, feature and look that Semjase's beamship is wrapped around in within the 25 meters as far as I can see. Matt lee | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 581 Registered: 11-2008 |
Matt, I honestly see no anomalies of Semjase's beamship in any of those photos you've posted. I asked Christian Frehner if not only the fir tree was a real projection, but also Semjase's beamship and here's his answer: Hi Joseph, I don't know, but it may be assumed that flying around a projected tree is extremely difficult regarding keeping control. Therefore I assume that she circled the tree at its real spot. But since my assumption is based on a lack of knowledge about their technical capabilities, it could well be that there is no difficulty to circle around a projected tree. :-) Salome, Christian As you see from Christian's answer, he thinks that Semjase's beamship was also a real projection, but he's not entirely sure. You already know my opinion on this, but I will repeat myself. In my opinion, only the fir tree is a real projection, whereas Semjase's beamship is real and it is circling round a real projection fir tree. The reason why I say this is because the Plejaren had already mentioned that if they were to place their beamships near trees then it would harm the trees in some way. Ptaah had mentioned this in contact report 757. BTW that photo of Semjase's beamship in your post number 2492 is impressive. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1308 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt, Joe had posted excerpts from the Contact in which Ptaah clarified that the tree was the actual projection. Joe, In response to Christian's answer. I think it's safe to conclude that a projection is that, a projection. So it would appear as it does in the photos to the human eye. Even BEAM was once impressed when Semjase gave him a "real vision" in which to him it was as if he was actually experiencing the event and place. To everyone: If the complete photo of the demonstration is available, then it is quite possible that the actual tree is somewhere in the photo 25 meters away. Anyone know where the actual photo can be found? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2497 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie: To everyone: If the complete photo of the demonstration is available, then it is quite possible that the actual tree is somewhere in the photo 25 meters away. Matt: It may be among the lost photos but who knows where it could be by now some 40+ years later. Unless Michael is directed again by Billy or it turns up out of the blue as part of someone's deceased estate. Eddie: Anyone know where the actual photo can be found? Matt: Schumid's family might have them. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2498 Registered: 07-2005 |
No worries Joe its all good. Who knows what was around the vicinity of the Semjase's beamship back in the day when this photo was first taken as there is no photographic material of the terrain that is in our possession right now to establish the facts. You could just as be correct with Eddie that the craft is reflecting a barn for example and that the reflection off of Semjase's real beamship (not projection) is actually the natural part of the terrain from back in the day. The panoramic photo from my post 2492 is a composite of different photos stitched together. This is why the scale and size don't match nor does it accurately reflect the terrain as it was when the photo was just taken that day except for the old photos. We might just have to be content with the process of the discussion in the pursuit of the truth as the process is just as important as the result itself. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2499 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie you asked To everyone: If the complete photo of the demonstration is available, then it is quite possible that the actual tree is somewhere in the photo 25 meters away. Anyone know where the actual photo can be found? Eddie check this tree and see if there are any striking similarities.  When I flipped the tree closer to the viewer on the right it tended to match up with the tree Semjase's beamship is wrapped around in. Matt lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1309 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt, this is an amazing find! Can you upload the image without the yellow lines? I suspected the tree may have been projected from a view-angle different than that of the projection. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3230 Registered: 12-1999 |
The Druan, are also capable of projecting an image, from a distance away from their real location...Per Daniel Cooper who photographed their ships on September 10, 2016 over the SSSC: "it immediately rang a bell for me as I remember the description of how this style of ship would (unlike Plejaren ships) project an ever changing image of itself from many kilometers away as a decoy hiding its real position and shape so that those flying the ship could keep working uninterrupted even if our military personnel decided to try and play cat and mouse with them.  | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1310 Registered: 08-2010 |
Scott, Together with some friends and their children, we observed a demonstration by several odd shaped (non Plejaren beamships) high in the sky. We all observed them for what was likely 20 minutes or so. Afterwards, I came across the photograph of their ship by a KG49 member who took his parents on vacation and discovered the ships when he developed the photographs. Upon asking BEAM, he was told they were Druan ships. I showed the picture to one of the adults and asked him if that is what we observed and he said it was exactly what we had observed. He was curious and asked where I got the picture from. It was only a few weeks ago that he was in a place in mind that I could tell him. Recently his son of 12 years of age committed suicide and the spiritual teaching gave him answers and comfort. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3232 Registered: 12-1999 |
Interesting Eddie, the image you have, looks similar to Daniels? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2499 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie due to your persistence with your 25 meter inquiry I looked further into it otherwise I may not have bothered so kudos to you man. To me the tree appears to be a mirror image where left is right and right is left. Very hard to tell obviously as branches look like any other branches so I followed the outline of it instead so that I could tell the tree for the forest and forest for the trees if you get my drift. Just have a look and see if there are any similarities. I am sure that like they always do the plejaren leave breadcrumbs and those who follow it persistently enough end up with a fresh loaf and sometimes a stale bread.  Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2499 Registered: 07-2005 |
Its unequivocal Semjase used the same projection multiple times in slightly different locations. Billy's change in position cannot account for the huge discrepancy of the backdrop. It appears that the tree and Semjase's moved with him. Please check this out    Matt lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1311 Registered: 08-2010 |
Scott, no, we saw them clearly performing a demonstration right above us high in the sky. They moved at angles towards each other and stop. Then those that stopped would wait until the other began moving again before moving. Two approached each other and then stopped right next to each other and waited a couple of minutes. Then one went 90 degrees and the other continued in its original direction. At the end they disappeared upwards into space. Everyone present saw them and remember to this day. The neighbors may have been wondering what on Earth were we looking up at all that time, since we never looked away even while talking about what we were seeing. It was a clear blue sky. Matt, It would be easy enough for Semjase to teleport BEAM across the landscape into multiple locations. We should keep in mind that this demonstration was not intended for the faint of heart with a consciousness in need of the ability to conclude it is a fake. This demonstration was intended for the serious researcher and investigator, including professionals of various fields able to study it and come to the truth that it is exhibiting highly advanced extraterrestrial technologies involving object-projections with an actual beamship floating around said projection, which included the reflection of said projection on the body of the beamship, while said beamship also reflected its surrounding environment. That tree in the photo sure does look like the projected tree. But to truly investigate this Plejaren mystery and demonstration, investigators would need to be there, as Ptaah explained. But the photos are enough to reveal the necessary clues to a sharp eye. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2500 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie I think that these photos by Billy that I've posted above of Semjase's beamship wrapped around a tree show some indication that they've been manipulated. Can anyone see the string or something similar in appearance? Its in all three photos Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2501 Registered: 07-2005 |
If anyone can see distinct fingerprints as I do on photo number 67 and one that isn't marked in my post 2499 a few scenarios comes to mind here after asking several pertinent questions. 1) Are those fingerprints not Billy's? 2) If so could it be possible that when it was still hot being straight out of the photoprinter/processer that whilst handling it Schmid imprinted his finger prints on them? 3) If not could it either be the MIB's own OR that they've purposely put it there? 4) If not the above could it just be mundane reason like when someone accidently putting their fingerprints on these photos whilst they were scanning these photos to convert them to electronic files? Judging by the 4 distinct tangy orange fingerprints without the thumb print the photos appears to be turned upside down meaning that they must've been trying to fit the photos to a particular position (into a photo scanner) which in that case means that scenario number 4 appears to be the most likely reason for those fingerprints being on the photo. Matt lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1312 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt, I doubt these were manipulated because Ptaah specifically said these are for the serious and professional researcher. Finger prints can easily be caused by someone handling the photos. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 854 Registered: 07-2006 |
I would highly recommend that everyone use the high resolution prints available in the 'Photo-Inventarium' if you want to do any photo analysis. The prints posted above are bad prints. See: https://shop.figu.org/b%C3%BCcher/photo-inventarium Salome PatM | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2502 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eddie you stated.. Matt, I doubt these were manipulated because Ptaah specifically said these are for the serious and professional researcher.    Eddie you'll have to look a bit closer as the devil is in the detail. There is a vertical line going across these photos that looks like string. Zoom zoom. Obviously due to memory loss on Billy's part these photos may be among the ones that fell in through the cracks. If the lines are determined to be caused by external manipulation instead of simply artifacts or natural damage from handling or the camera itself, we can either attribute this string line appearance to the MIB or Schmid. Matt lee |
