| Author | Message | ||
    Lars |
In the Talmud Jmmanuel it is written that " "IF TWO WOMEN BED DOWN TOGETHER THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT VIOLATE LIFE AND ITS LAWS, SINCE THEY ARE NOT INSEMINATING BUT ARE BEARING." TJ.12:7-8 From this verse I take it that girl on girl sex is ok, provided of course with but one stipulation, that being that girl on girl is fine as long as the girls do not lose a natural desire for the male sex, and remain exclusively 'Feminist lovers. In my estimation if women lesbians bed with eachother exclusively and lose a natural lust for the male, then they have degenerated and become just as aberrant as male homosexuals. Then I think this verse from the TJ doesn't apply to such feminists. But applies only to decent and orderly Bi-sexual females. I wonder if Plejaren women are bi-sexual? from this TJ verse I would imagine that they are indeed bi-sexual and entirely accept it as a Creational law. What do you think??? Salome, lars | ||
Edward |
Hi Lars...  Hope you are doing fine... Very interesting posting you have there. Well, first of all...Homosexuality can manifest anywhere in Creation where there is/are a world(s) that have just started to make progress in their evolution...just as it has here on earth. So it Is quit "Natural"...that this can manifest. As these type of human beings are just learning Sexuality also. As this IS a "Self-Induced" action. Not doen by Creation! As we can acknowledge we have Freedom to Experiment on this level also. But also...there are Consequences Connected to these actions. For human beings...Creation Planned a One-male...One Female...Bondage to Function as good as possible. To create One Unity. Being Balanced in matrimony. But may have Polygamus marriages! I would think that a man may Inseminate Only the Womanly body...and No other. That is why he Must live according to the laws of Creation and Nature when it comes to this subject. As Women beding-down with each other. This too...is very Natural, to a degree. So here on earth..they may bed-down with one and other....BUT...the Consequences are Theirs. For they have a Purpose just as the men do. I do agree with you that some may become 'Degenerated' and may Loose attraction to the male gender. Then they are lost..and do not live according to the laws of Creation and Nature. But I would think that the TJ means that a woman Can Not be punished as a man...for his action is more severe the of the women. I can not speak concerning the Plejaran women. So I can not give an answer to that. But I would not doubt that higer evolved beings would still practise bisexual. As we know that even far evolved beings can still make Mistakes..and others. They too are still learning. Take Care....Be Healthy...Lars. Edward... | ||
E. Visser |
Hi Lars.Quite a surprising topic you made to say the least.I have no concrete information to answer your question either way.If I had to hunch I would say that Plejaran women would only bond with another woman because of mental and spritual reasons,not for any physical one.But if on the Plejaran homeworlds the women would run out of men,they can find some here,right? ;-) Regards,TerraX. | ||
Lars |
Hi guys Thanks for you input, Ed you brought in some fine insights which contributed all the more to the topic. E.Vissier thanks for your input although I must partly disagree with you as to the proximity of Plejaren female bi-sexual unions, I do think that they are based primarily on a real physical and mental attraction of harmony with the other, and it becomes a real pure love bond of harmony and happiness with the other. Still i think Plejaren women bed with eachother in an intimate physical way(Sexual) because this Jmmanuel made clear is an un-mistakeable law of Creation. and we know Jmmanuel got his wisdom from the "Sons of heaven" I surmize to you that Plejaren women are incredibly free, gentle caring, and happy creatures! who enjoy natural attractions with each other in strict accordance with the ebb and flow of the natural laws cycles. Salome, Lars | ||
Linda Williams |
Hello all, I noticed this topic come on board and thought I'd eventually respond, as it stirs in me a great deal of emotion. I am disappointed that the TJ basically repeats messages from the Bible about lesbianism and homosexuality. As far as I'm concerned both sources are sadly outdated and scientifically un-informed. While I am a heterosexual female, I have known and participated in the lesbian/homosexual communities in the Northwest. Many of them have been the victims of Biblical/TJ thinking to the extent that they have been told they are guilty of abominable sin!and have been ostrasized from their families and communities because of it, have committed suicide because of it, or otherwise have retreated into their own "community family" because of it. It has been a lonely life for many people who now say, "This is how I was born. I naturally choose to be the way I am." Recent genetic research seems to bear out this position. In my territory, there are parades proclaiming GAY PRIDE,and there are considerable efforts to educate the population about homosexual choices and their consequences, and there are continual fundraisers to address the many issues associated with these issues. In memory of my Godson Robert, the homosexual drag Queen, I speak to you now, Linda | ||
Lars |
Hello Linda Sorry to hear you cannot accept the TJ's position on the mistake of male homosexuality. As far as the lesbian side goes, I know that when Jmmanuel speaks that it is ok for two women to bed with eachother, he means Bi-sexual women who have'nt entirely lost their natural desire for the male. Because feminist lesbians who lose this desire become just as mistaken and degenerate as "male homosexuals who are acting heretically against Creation. And it is true, Jmmanuel teaches that male homsexuals are "unworthy of life, and should be castrated, and expelled away from the normal people who abide in creation's law" TJ.12:1-9 The truth is HARSH and the consequences for violating or disregarding Truth are even more harsh. It has to be this way, because only by harshness will blockheaded too in love with matter humans wake up and realize new insights and every human wearing a body is a blockhead to some degree. and it is about time humans stop coddling and exalting themselves within lies and heretical acts! I cannot accept the excuse by GAYS, "I was born this way! or God wants me gay! this is just an excuse to slide through the easy way, and not FACE up to the LAW of God and Creation itself both of which reveal and teach that exclusive homosexual relations bewtween men and women is a terrible mistake, and is heretical. It was because of this mistake that the ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire. and today esp. in America we have become a literal sewer of degenrate homosexual filth, and as a nation we honour and highly pay homosexual individuals and even applaud them and help them justify their stink. When according to the Talmud of Jmmanuel these grossly mistaken actions of male homosexuals should be confronted and laws passed which make male homosexuality a crime punishable by exclusion from normal heterosexual society. Yes the Plejarens would undertake these very measures had they the permission to do so. male homosexuals are a health hazard and are spreading terrible life threatening diseases, they should all be quarantined and bannished. as well as castrated for their own good, the Logic behind castration is that if they are castrated then they will no longer have sexual feeling and desire. and so they will think and develop themselves up in new ways to overcome the mistake of same sex love. Same sex love is only valid and creationally designed and lawful for bi-sexual women who still have a love for the male in them, and this is exactly what Jmmanuel means in his saying, I know this, because the Spirit has REVEALED this to me by the Light and logic of creation and as well by the Jhwh's code. Salome, Lars | ||
Savio |
Hi Linda I think I understand your feeling. On one hand the State is very advanced in many areas, it is still quite conservative while most people are still living under the shadow of religions. I would say that the TJ is very much advanced towards the homosexual concept, especially it was written 2000 years ago! I was shocked the first time I read the related information within. The TJ mentioned that females bed-down with each other is not punishable, what a ease of mind for the lesbians! As for male homosexual parties, the FIGU position is quite clear that they can love each other but not to have sexual intercourse. There is very good reason behind this as we all know, AIDS ......etc. I would think the answer is not like or dislike, it is the logic and reason behind that help us to understand and choose what kind of life to lead..... Regards Savio | ||
Scott B. |
Hello eveyone, There is another part of this subject which may be not well known, as I understand it. I learned this a few years ago, and am passing it on for whats it worth, I hope I'm correct in this knowledge. In the Talmud Chapter 12 line 8 it states, "When inseminator and inseminator join together, life is violated and destroyed," During earlier times when an immense knowledge of gene technology (existed) it was possible to change the genes in a way that a male could get pregnant. This was what was meant by life being destoyed, because now you had males getting pregnant, which to me goes against the intent of creation. Also what must also be considered is that part of the logic behind these creational ideas is based on energy. Males are considered to be of positive polarity and females negative polarity (this doesn't mean females are considered negative). If a negative and positive pole are united there is a unity and completness. If two negative poles join, nothing really happens, but if two positive poles are joined there is a strong destructive reaction. This can be demonstrated in any electronic circuit. Thanks for listening Salome Scott B. | ||
Norm |
I suggest everyone here reads Billy's booklet called Homosexuality-what is the clause? ""Homosexuality is a sexual variation that is occurring naturally, yet is against nature. Homosexuality is a variation rooted in genetics, and for this reason it is considered natural. But due to the inability to reproduce, it is categorized as being against nature; hence, homosexuality is called a naturally occurring sexual variation that is against nature. Homosexuality, as a naturally occurring sexual variation that is against nature, could never be classified as unlawful on account of any of the natural creational laws and directives. It is therefore considered naturally normal-although against nature, precisely because of the impossibility for procreation to occur. Certain genes and their characteristics determine the type of sexual variation, including homosexuality. But genes and their characteristics, in turn, are tiny particles of nature and are thus subject to natures laws and directives. This then implies that nothing can be abnormal in the sense of its naturalness, if nature permits, indeed creates it; whereby furthermore it follows that homosexuality is a natural manifestation whose anti-naturalness is simply based on its lack of any possibility for procreation. Furthermore, as homosexuality is a natural manifestation, hence nature given, it cannot and must not be considered, judged or condemned as degenerate and unnatural, and similarly not as reprehensible, as loathsome, and neither as violating natural or human law." By Billy Meier There is alot more in the booklet. I also want to state that my Aunt is a bisexual lesbian (favors females) and my Mother due to her former profession an Interior Designer, has a few gay friends, and from my discussions with them, they told me, "Do you think I prefer to be gay, with all the trouble its caused me, from childhood to adulthood, I would much rather have been born straight!" There's no doubt in my mind that Homosexuals are born that way! PS As you can see some of Jmmanuels teachings are out dated, and it clearly shows a progression and advancement of the Plejarens understanding of the Creational Laws. Even the Plejarens understand more now, than back 2000 years ago. | ||
Lars |
I think Billy needs to take another time travel trip back to see Jmmanuel and be taught again about this one. I don't buy his new advice, it confuses his previous directive as Jmmanuel and because a Law of Creation is of eternal validity* One cannot just change or declassify a law of nature or lessen the enormity of violating it. The truth is harsh and will always remain harsh, because the Spirit and matter are opposites to each other, and if you fulfill one you cannot fulfill the other,You have to wait and give appropiate time to each, give to the spirit what belongs to the spirit and give to the body what belongs to the body each in their season, the Spirit is an alien to the body and vice versa. Salome Lars | ||
Savio |
Hi Scott Thanks for sharing the information "During earlier times when an immense knowledge of gene technology (existed) it was possible to change the genes in a way that a male could get pregnant." I wonder why Jmmanuel talked about some hi tech that those people could never understand. By the way, what is the information source? Being in the electronic field for quite some time, I think the example of positive/negative poles used in explaining the relationship between the sexs is not quite appropriate. Usually, a positive pole joins with a negative one will produce a short circuit or explosion. While two equal potential positive or negative poles join together will produce nothing (no current flow). However, if there is potential difference between the two, say +12V & +6V or -3V & -1.5V then current will flow from the higher potential pole to the lower one, same thing will take place as the joining of the positive & negative poles, that is short circuit or explosion. I would think a more logical reason is needed for solving this homosexual problem. Regards Savio | ||
Edward |
Hi Linda and All... Yes, very good discussion we have going here. Linda, I Fully agree with some of your points of views. Of course we must Not Compare the Bible...with "The Talmud of Jmmauel"! I have read on this board how some of us Think concerning the very Stricked Rules that Jmmanuel mentions concerning Homosexuality...(and of others) in the TJ. Well, to be honest; I CAN Understand Jmmanuel to The Fullest Degree! We must be conscious of...that he did go Back and Forth in Time.. with Gabriel or others. And Picture Yourself...as being Jmmanuel.. and you stopped in our era. And could then See...with you Own eyes.. what MAN...has Become...and Made of himself. I would say...YOU would be just as Shocked as Jmmanuel...when being confronted with these Facts. So, from here...we can/must Imagine..and Understand... of why he mentions the very stricked Consequences...as being mentioned in the TJ. Because he Saw...that We...Man on earth are Wandering off in the Wrong Direction(s). As he would have liked to have seen a much 'Orderly' Way of Life as Fallowing the Laws of Nature and Creation. But ofcourse, Now...we live in another time era...and now what counts the Most....is That We All....have to Get Along with one and other to keep the Peace here on earth and the Hormony. As some of us Know...Creation and Nature have Guidelines... and if/when One fallows these Commandments and Directives..we will Evolve... Spiritually...in the correct Direction(s). If Not, One will 'Slow-down' or 'Stagnate'...One's evolution...process and Spiritual Growth.(for a periode of time) So, we must just See...and accept..'The Warnings'..if you will. And if not taken seriously....the Consequences...are for those...who do not fallow. But again, they/those have Freedom... and may manifest as they please. Linda, I have Gay and Lesbo friends...and Love them as much as anyother person...I know. To be honest, Hetero's have hurt me More then Gays or Lebos. But ofcourse...I have even at time come across Gays and Lesbos..that have bothered me also. So I disliked those ones. " So we can/must Not mix them all in the same pot." So I take Every Creation(s) as they Are. Every Individual...is experiencing it's Own Life-cycle. And That WE ALL...MUST have Respect for! Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
Norm |
Lar, I only printed a few lines of the booklet. How can you judge Billy's full booklet when you haven't even read it??? How many Gay people have you really sat down and talked too? I also want to state that I'm very angry with the Gay community and their AIDS activist activities. They are deliberately causing more of a ruckus, to get more attention and more Government research money, at the expense of other groups that need just as much attention for their diseases or ailments. A majority of the AIDS epidemic is being caused by irresponsible sexual behavior, and should not be given a higher status than diseases and ailments that are not! | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Savio, The information about the alteration of genetics came from a core group member a few years ago. I dont know why this was put into the Talmud, but I will ask this question again to make sure this was the correct information. Yes I had asked the same question as you, why would this be put into the Talmud especially during those times when people didnt have any knowledge of genetics at all. Regarding the information about the polarities, this was explained also to me a few years ago. I think the analogy of an electrical circuit may not be accurate. In atomic structure you can have a positively charged proton and one negatively charged electron circling the proton. You can add electrons, but you cannot add protons without adding neutrons to keep the protons from repelling each other. Maybe this maybe a little closer to a correct analogy. Ill let you know if I can find anymore out about this. Salome Scott | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi all, Wouldn't anal intercourse be the main physical concern ?? The body's "sewage system" including all it contains would be mixed with the blood system when membranes tear etc. So much for hygiene ?? I also think that this would occur for heterosexuals as well. Normal male/female intercourse would be much "safer" as the body parts are made for this. I can see that "mind space" and "genetics" also have a role in this regarding the physical and spiritual evolution of the people involved. It is interesting that the "writings" and explanations seem to have focused on this mainly ?? Unless something is mentioned on this, one might assume that gay males shouldn't practice anal intercourse but that this is "OK" for heterosexual couples. Something should have been said about this in the "writings" somewhere...??? Or... is there any difference ?? I hope the above is not too "explicit", I can't think of any other way of describing this. Regards, JP | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi all, I think that the Plejarens would not become involved in, or relate to, the "physical lust" portion of relationships in the same way most of us would. They may feel these influences, but they would relate to these much differently than us. As such, a so-called "lesbian relationship" (if this exists) among female Plejarens would NOT be what we might tend to assume. It is likely that most of us would not understand the basis for their relationships... as we would try to relate to these (and define these) from our own experiences and thoughts. I also think that we tend to confuse love with sex... (many of us don't know the difference). I also think that in many of our earth cultures, we are overly totally obsessed with sex. Interesting topic. Has given me much to think about Regards, JP | ||
Lars |
Hi Norm and all Norm I have read most of Billy's booklet on the Homosexuals, he has a point , but still I think he's watering down the harsh truth before spoken by Jmmmanuel. To say that homosexuals are born that way and it is genetic is just an excuse to evade facing up to the natural/creational law that it homosexuality is a terrible mistake. How'ever I can see how some people due to underdevelopment of their mind and spirits in their bodies might fall prey to the deceit of the homosexual persuasion and this would start the genetic alteration or disposition towards that lifestyle. I believe it is all based upon deceit and wrong education, and a lack of fulfillment and attention given to those individuals,So they get steered into the wrong direction and deceitful feelings. Also the factors of having more feminine genes in a male person would contribute to the attraction and thereby deception involved misleading them into it. Yes Billy's advice is well taken, But still I think he has watered it down and relaxed the creational laws harshness here too much, so it apppears that he is contradicting it. Yes I have known and talked to some Gay males, and some were very nice and polite, while others were unbearable and a menace, But they still disturbed me and I didn't like the feeling of deceit and that sex with men is ok coming from them, it felt revolting and unnatural. Salome, Lars | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Lars, Some people are born with both male and female genitals. Doctors can make totally arbitrary decisions on which gender these people will "become". Although the physical is altered, the mental (& it's urges) remains whatever it is. From what I understand, many gay males have portions of their brain which are "female". This same situation (but opposite) probably occurs with "female gays" also. Myself, I am heterosexual. I have "fallen in love" with females only. I can only partially imagine the "confusion" which would result if I were to "fall in love" with a male... however...?!?!  I don't think we can always consciously choose who we fall in love with. Genetics, the mind (etc?), plays a part in this. I think that Billy's writings quoted on this are not so much watered down... but do reflect the "human side" of this problem which some of our brothers and sisters experience. Eventually, hopefully, these "mixed sexual orientations" may be socially seen for what they are, rather than something to be "for" or "against". I suspect that there might be a portion of the gay population which have generated their own orientation through "degenerate mental" means. These people (if they exist) would be a "different class" entirely, and not included in my above comments. Hope this helps, JP | ||
Lars |
Good point JPL Billy really is trying to help us see the scientific aspects of the matter, which many fanatics overlook. Still though, i think the cause for this problem is insuffcient attention and facing up to problems which demand people to utilize the male genes. because men cannot or will not face up to these demands they develop too many passive female genes in them and thus become soft and effeminate. It is also because of wrong education and lack of fulfillment in creative mental and spiritual directions. the lack of these factors I think contributes to deceitful feelings and ideas which steer people astray. Salome Lars | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Lars, You have made some really excellent and thought provoking points...!! Myself, I'm not sure exactly how our genes respond to these types of influences, but it has been said on this board that "We determine our own fate" (or something like that). We should probably not underestimate our own "abilities" to become whatever we wish. Most likely, our own minds are far more powerful than we often (or would like to) think. I have (had) several gay friends who I have (& had) a great respect for... unique and very intriguing individuals. Some of these are still alive even. (AIDS, eh?) Although this topic string has been "sidetracked" from it's title, I think that some good ideas (for us earthlings) have been brought forth... at least for our present concerns/thoughts in this time period. What also intrigues me is that: The Plejarens cannot "hide" their thoughts/intentions from others within their group. That some of their females would choose to enter into a female/female relationship... and the mental/spiritual conditions which would allow this... is quite interesting to me !!! I'm not sure whether I (in this lifetime) will ever know the factors which would allow this... but I do know one thing: Whatever "conditions" which would allow this is NOT what us "earthworms" would typically think, of such a relationship. I suspect that there might be some male/male Plejaren relationships also... but I further suspect that the "contributing factors" would be known within their group. I think that segregation from the rest of their society is a rather "kind" method of reducing these types of influences on the rest of the "normal" population ??. This would also allow these particular individuals in their space/time to explore and expand on this type of relationship... if they are not seperated onto male/female planets etc.???? (I don't recall details on this) If us earthers wish to think of this as "punishment"... then that is up to us... and is probably derived from our own earth culture/thought. Perhaps we consciously can and do determine the direction in which our physical/spiritual evolution goes also ?? There might very well be quite a bit of data on this topic... within the contact notes (etc.) I don't presently have access to. I'm still piecing all this together myself, so any further comments etc. would be most welcome !!! Kindest regards, JP | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi all, One further thought... With all the "testing" etc. required of a male/female Plejaren relationship... I wonder whether an "official Plejaren" female/female relationship would require the same !?!?!?! Just yet another "stupid thought"... from a northbound Canayuk, eh? Salome, JP | ||
Linda Williams |
Hello Pierre and all, I've been thinking through the same thoughts as you, Pierre, and have also been imagining a question for Billy (which I will NOT ask) that goes something like this: Dear Billy: Is anal intercourse among homosexuals and heterosexuals a violatiom of the creational laws and punishable equally? How do you account for your present stance on this issue in contrast to Immanuel's stance? Perhaps some of you would like to frame a question for Billy here. Great discssion! Linda | ||
Edward |
Hi Linda, Lars and All.. I would like to add: Well...ik would say that Creation Created Male/+ and Female/- (within itself) 'Intentionally'...as being the Process for It...to manifest properly in an orderly manner for it to Expand to it's best and Utmost...to 'Perfection'. As 'Balanced' as possible. Anythink from that.. Will 'Unbalnced' it.(The Creation Cycle) The same with the male and female Relation/Bondage. And ofcourse...Creation gives you the 'Possiblity' to manifest 'Inbetween' so to speak also, to even experience(from Curiosity and Inconstancy) this gender inbetween. Whereas...One will have to accept the Consequences that it brings along. Because this inbetween may wander of the path that should be taken for Creation to manifest in the proper way. So, if One wanders the path of 'Inbetween'...they Must accept the conseqences and accept what ever comes to them in that life-time and in their next life-time(s). As we can acknowledge; 'They' have chosen it...by Freedom...and Free-Will. And Creation had Not put them into that posistion of being(again: it gave them the Possibility). It is the in-dividual's Own choice. (As also in many other things.) So we must Not see it as a 'Sin' or what ever. Just see it as a Learning/DisLearning Process. Linda, I would Not say that The Talmud is 'Out-dated'. On the contrary! 'It Speaks Loud and Clear'....to me. And as some of us know, It Is "Encoded"...which makes it at times very hard for some to 'Understand'. As I have mention in a previous posting; it has a "Dubble-Bottom".. as we say here. So that would make/give us the 'Space' to 'Unravel' it for ourselves.(again: 'What is the use of learning if the teacher tells All the answers!') So..some people would have a hard time trying to 'Figure-out' what Jmmanuel is saying. We know from The Talmud that Jmmanuel speaks many times in 'Parables'; Not only to his discipeles and the people... but Also just in The Talumd...the boek Itself, is a Parable! As he mentions...if One can unravel the parables...One is utilzing One's 'Thinking-Process'...to Evolve. As we can acknowledge, in order to learn...we must Learn to Think...to evolve into a higer Being...(and) of Existance. Jammanuel does mention...that if One does not understand the Teachings of Creation and the Laws of Nature...the One (one explaining it) should Get Up...and walk away; this do to...that if the people do not understand it...they will harm you. For they have Not yet Reached that 'State of Understanding'. So it is to the Individual's self... if he/she can 'Decode' what is being said. I would think...if One does not understand The Talmud in this life-time, One may in another....but if not....than the next one...and so on. It is just how Advanced One is in One's Thinking Process and Spirit. And every individual has One's own pace. Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi I would like to offer my personal opinion about this bi-sexual hot topic. First of all, I believe there are numerous of Creation, which lead to numerous Universes, and we are living in only one of the Creation/Universe, thus there could be another Creation/Universe with Creation Law 'suggesting' one man one woman marriage and two women lay in bed should be punished as two men lay in bed. Secondly, we are not sure how the Creation Law forms, it could be formed when this Universe created, or could it be the Creation Law would keep changing, evolving, since there are numerous of human spirit are reincarnating, and all of the experiences gain during incarnation will be merged into Creation Law? I believe Plejaren(?) obtain Creation Law from half spiritual, half physical race, or from pure spiritual race, because they have higher frequency and can communicate better with Creation, but why are we here? There must be a good reason for Creation to put us here, that is why I am more leaning towards to Creation Law keeps evolving theory, otherwise, if Creation Law is fixed in this Universe, and our human experience input would never change the Creation Law/rules, then our existence will be less meaningful. If my assumption is correct, and we know that Creation Law is only 'suggestion', if you do not follow it, there should not be punishment, because everyone of our incarnation experience will become tiny part of Creation Law, and if more and more human experience believe in one male one female bonding, maybe someday Plejaren will receive a message from spiritual race saying 'New corporate policy now demanding.....' To sum up, I belive if we live happily and fully on this physical world, then we are doing your part in the reincarnation cycle, providing Creation our input the best way we can, then Creation will pull all trillions and trillions of spirit experience in each reincarnation from all galaxies, purify itself further and maybe change its rules if more and more spiritual experience show positively about the change. What Immanual's teaching may just represent the Creation Law at that time, maybe that is still true today, maybe not, if Creation Law is evolving all the time. So Lesbian or Gay, Heterosexual or Homosexual, enjoy your life on earth by the way you deem most correct, that will be what Creation wants, just don't commit suicide.... More discussing is coming, I assume.... Hampton Chiu | ||
Edward |
Hi Hampton... Hope you are doing Fine.. Yes, this has become a very interesting subject. This does help us all at this board to learn from one and other. Which is very helpful in my eyes. Yes, I would agree what you have posted. I have thought about that also. Curtainly "Everything" is possible in The Absolute Absolutum. Every part of The Absolute Absolutum has experienced it's Own Creational cycle..and evolution. And at it's Own Pace. Surely, 'Rolls' can be Turned around...etc. It.. just like us, has to evolve, as we should picture ourselves as being Creation itself; than we would like to evolve as much as One can with as Less Friction as possible. Without 'Slowing-down' or 'Stagnation'.(for some periodes) I would think One would like to Reach One's goal..without too-much Absticles. Still...along that path.. 'Anything' can happen...without a doubt. Nothing can evolve 'problemless'. As we can Acknowledge, in order to Learn and Evolve one does have to encounter absticles.. alas. But again, every individual has it's own Pace...to evolve and move... in Freedom. As with 'All' Creatures and Creations.... in The Absolute Absolutum. As it is Not a Limited Enity. Surely...Every Creature in Creation and in The Absolute Absolutum... should Enjoy it's Life-cycle to the Utmost. And be "Tolerante" and "Respect" one and other(Which is an 'Art' to bring-up by itself.. for some). Those 'Differences' that are out there, does make us Learn and DisLearn. Which makes it good for our Spirit and Spiritual Growth. Surely 'Suggestion' is a Step..to learning...and Unraveling. We have to Start Somewhere...so to speak. And as Albert Einstein mentions 'Curisosity'. Just as Science-Fiction is becoming Non-Fiction. We can let our 'Fantasy' Go! Because by doing so...we can make things come into reality...and happen. Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
Edward |
Hi Linda...and All... Yes..this is indeed a very good subject...concerning Sexuality. It is just as curious as asking:'Does a Beamship have a Toilet on board... ..' Linda....well a very interesting question you are going to ask Billy! Yes, I would wonder what he would say concerning it. Well, my own opinion on Sexuality when acting with the 'Bodily Wast Channel'...would be a 'Negative'. "A No...No", just as some of the boardees have mentioned also. I can relate to their Understanding(s). I have always seen it in this manner: you have 'sex-u-al-ity'... and you 'Per-vers-ity'. Which are two Different Acts of bodily contact(and enjoyment). Sexuality...being a 'Orderly' manifestation....and Perversity... being a 'UnOrderly' manifestation. As Orderly Sexuality...has a more Balanced manifestation which can be enjoyed in a more Natural manner. As Unorderly Perversity... a more Unbalanced manifestation is....which to me has No Use.. but maybe for the 'One's Own Lust' to enjoy. So the above mentioned Counts for Homosexuals(Gays & Lesbos) and ofcourse Heteros. But I would not be surprised if Billy would say it was 'Natural', but against Nature; as a manifestation Not being able to Procreate. And being Natural...it manifesting in individuals that are still at a level in consciousness of a Low Vibration(and understanding).... still 'Exploring' Sexuality(as other things in their daily lives). But ofcourse...I would Not shut-out...that there are Ones that Do enjoy this because it is just In Them. And it is mentioned in the TJ..that No animal in the animalkingdom acts in this manner. But eventhough there are some types of monkeys(today) that do act in this manner, we can only acknowledge...this is Caused By Human Presence! As how hiv/aids has manifested...alas. So we are all 'Responsible' for All the Actions we commit and handle. Again, Every individual has the Freedom to Experience what he/she wishes. So 'The Consequences are Theirs' to Balance-Out, Remedy..or Compensate. Well, Linda...I wish you much luck when posting to Billy... Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
Linda Williams |
Hi Edward, No, I said "I will NOT ask" my question of Billy. The question was really rhetorical and intended for the Forum only. Just something to think about in terms of the immutability of the laws of Creation and/or the equality of "punishability" for the violation of those laws. It is, of course, quite interesting that Billy and Immanuel see these issues very differently. Personally, I have no problem accepting what consenting adults of any sexual persuasion choose to do. It is a private matter and that privacy should not be invaded. And the only "punishable sexual offenders", as I see it, are rapists and pedophiles. Just another 2 cents of mine, Linda | ||
Edward |
Hi Linda.... Nice to hear from you... Many Many Apologies...for misunderstanding you. My Mistake! Yes, I do agree with you; Billy and Jmmanuel Can have differents in opinions...as Jmmanuel was Living 'Then'....and Billy 'Now'. Yes, I agree also; what One does in One's Private Life is their Choice...and Right. As long as they don't harm anyone. And the last you mentioned...I Fully Agree...with you on that. 'May The Light of Creation Shine' on those Little Spirits that have become victims of those Pitiful acts. Take Care... Be Healthy...Linda... Edward... | ||
Mark Campbell |
I wonder about the Plejaran "spirit guides" (Geistfuehrer) Melchora, Urlana and Jaspan . Does anyone know anything more about them .How do they differ from the Jshwsh , and are they semi-physical ? Mark | ||
Lars |
Hello mark, I wonder also about the three spirit guides who recently visited Billy.Iam glad you started this topic.the three spirits possibly could be from the High Council. I guess we should ask of our spirits to please reveal the mystery. There must be something happening of very great importance for spirits to appear and visit Billy. Also I took note of Billy's Plejaren contacts so far this year, and it amazes me that alot of his older Plejaren contacts visited him again like for example, Pleja, Electra, and several others, Billy has'nt had visits from them for 20 yrs or so. In my opinion I think this may be highly significant of something that is about to happen which is extremely important! If Billy was visited again by Pleja, Semjase's sister, then maybe his visit to see Semjase again is near? Last Sept. Billy said that Semjase was in excellent condition, So something must be up! Lars | ||
JAY |
Lars, Yes, when they announced this back in the begining of August I had the same thoughts as well, something is up. I wonder if it has to do with Iraq and Hussein owning such weapons of mass destruction and the Al Qeada telling the US about taking out 4 million of our people??. hmm, well The Plejarans came here for those same reasons in the past when we had these weapons active and they needed to intervene for the same purposes. We should take this into consideration. BE WELL Lars | ||
Norm |
The Plejarens aren't going to save us! | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Lars, If you read the list of contacts carefully that Billy has had, you will not find any mention of visitors from the High Council. His latest contacts all come from the Pleiadies according to the information posted. Now it is possible they may be of higher evolution then the majority of Plejarens and are recognized as spirit leaders, but they are still residing in Plejaren star system. Salome Scott | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi Scott ; That is my thinking exactly ; the "spirit guides" would be physical human beings ,but I thought my question was worth bringing up . They seem to belong higher eschelon - I assume part of a large group that advises the rest of their world , among others. Salome , Mark | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi All: Just sharing my thought with you on this forum... I think those three Plejaran "spirit guides" (Geistfuehrer) are 3 of around 2800 spirit guides in planet Erra. I remember reading about the Pldjaran turned over their governing power to those spirit guides like 50,000 years ago, thus they achieve peace since then. My guess would be that those 2800 spirit guides can access Akashic records easily and have higher spiritual development than average Plejaran, maybe their ability is like Edgar Cayce among the Earth people at 1940's. Those spirit guides' physical forms are just like us, or Plejaran, their spiritual development should be no more than 30% Spiritual brain quotient.(And Yet They Fly mentioned that in the year 1978, the most spiritaul advanced person will have 25.8% of spiritual brain quotient, and that person have only 25.7% of Physical brain quotient, that person should be Mr. Meier, and he is the only person on this planet that Spiritual brain quotient is higher than Physical brain quotient, See Appendix B-3 on the book) Remember, JSHWH or spirit guide, those are just titles, nothing but a name, the most important thing is our own spiritual development, that is the contribution to Creation. Happy meditation... Hampton Chiu | ||
AJ |
It seems to me the Pleiadians are lucky to have spirit guides. We on Earth have a much tougher job weeding through bibles, religions, communities, searching for spiritual guidance. So is "spirit guide" just a title, like god, for someone who acts as a prophet for a lower life form? And is not Semjase, Quetzal, P'taah, and the rest of the Mission sort of spirit guides for the people of earth? Is an Earth person acting as a spirit guide when he tells another about the FIGU and the Truth? | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings everyone, I thought you may all find this site I found interesting: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/Pleiadia Salome, James TT. | ||
E. Visser |
Hi James. Thanks for the link.Is that site correct in saying that the super 8mm films and other negatives got lost? Thx, TerraX. | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings TerraX, Actually I'm not sure about the super 8mm films, so perhaps someone else can comment. Salome, James TT. | ||
E. Visser |
Hi James. I recalled Marc Juliano saying that a number of pictures (perhaps with the negatives) were taken away by the Plejarans because they were to good or to bad.Don't know if some of the films had the same treatment. Regards, TerraX. | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings everyone Check out this interesting site I found with the beamship moving at the top of the page. Click on the beamship and see what happens! http://www.montalk.net Hmmm... Interesting, James TT. | ||
pureharmony |
What is the Plejaran word for love? | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 05-2003 |
As I have stated before, I cannot understand why the plejarens have names like demons in our world of religions. Semjase in the book of Enok, "the watchers", Quetsal as "the feathered snake" in Guatemala, and Ptaah as the God in Egypt. All this beings have been characterized as evil forces. What is the connection between Ptaah in Egypt and Quetsahl in Guatemala? Howard | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 85 Registered: 02-2000 |
There are no connections with the Ptaah and Quetzal (notice the correct spelling) of today. Not all male persons with the name Adolf are evil persons because there was a Adolf Hitler. Besides, if you a referring to the apocryptical book of Enok, you rather take the original and non-falsified text as a source, i.e. the "Book OM" (within this you find the original text of Henok/Henoch). Best regards, Christian | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 05-2003 |
Quetzal is the right spelling of the word, that means the national bird of Guatemala, "the feathered snake". As you state that all of FIGUs texts are non-falsified, how can the the apochryptical book of enoch be falsified? Is this a comment by Billy? Im sure it is. All his bible teachings says the bible are false... | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Howard, If I were your anthropolgy teacher, then you have just failed with a big "F"! Here's why: If you'd do your homework, you'd find that the "feathered serpent of Guatemala" was NEVER characterized as an evil force!, and his name was NOT Quetzal but rather QUETZALCOATL. While we're at it, let's now compare Quetzalcoatl with the medical symbol "caduceus" associated from the Greek God of healing, "Asclepius". Both seen here as flying serpents! OK being a Christian that you claim to be Howard, let us now compare both the figures of "Christ and Quetzalcoatl", from both mythologies: 1. Both were recognized as creator of all things. 2. Both were born of virgins. 3. Both are described as being white or as wearing a white robe. 4. Both performed miracles. 5. Both taught the ordinance of baptism. 6. Both prophesied future events. 7. Both were universal as opposed to just being recognized as local gods. 8. Both were associated with a great destruction at exactly the same time period in history. 9. The cross was a symbol to both 10. Both sent out disciples to preach their word. 11. Both promised they would come a second time. 12. Both were associated with a new star. You may be just 22 Howard, but to be on this forum requires a degree of research. In this case you just failed and it's back to school with you! -Truthseeker | ||
V02587 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2003 |
Very interesting,the local universe needs more like you, truthseeker,cutting edge knowledge, well done ,go get'em tiger.I dont know about the virgin part though. have you heard of; Ometeo. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings VO2587, Actually the part about Quetzalcoatl also being born of a virgin can be found in an Aztec witting called "Gamiz", in reference #95. As with the name Christ, I'm not saying that is the actual situation, I'm simply showing a comparison between the 2 "mythologies" or should I also say the 2 "beliefs". As for Ometeo, at present I'm unfamiliar with this name. VO2587 reminds me of something out of "Star Trek". -Truthseeker | ||
V02587 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2003 |
Truthseeker, Thank you for the reference. Quetzalcoatl is tatooed between my shoulder blades on my back. I am a Native American, Caucasian blood. I had my first contact when I was just a young boy. When I had my kiva initiations at Mesa Verde, Colorado, three Pleiadians (Plejarans) ships were present. It was quite an honor to have such a wonderful experience. When the ships came in, I was outside the kiva. It was night time and the ships were beautiful, luminescent, golden, silver, and aqua aura blue, magnificent mental picture. They were about 25' above the ground as they approached. They hovered for a little while. The rest is secret, if I told you, then I'd have to kill ya. haha | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2003 |
Just jok,in I,m sorry, I,was being facicious ,I retrack that statement. I will not hurt anyone,my experiences with the grays and the plejarans should have been shared many years ago, believe me I tride and most people respond in a negetive way. so I have keep it all to myself and I thought I would try again.I leave you in peace. | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 01-2002 |
HI V02587 We are open minded here on FIGU and it is quite good for us to hear your Experiences with past PLEJARAN visits. Do share your experience if you like to or you can send us private emails if you are not comfortable.  Regards, Jay Saalome and BE WELL | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 05-2003 |
Ok, thrutseeker, OK OK! I admit that was foolish. Back to school with me, hehe. By the way moderator, where did my posts go? Moderator: What posts are you referring to? (Please answer via e-mail, not to the forum, thanks.) | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi V02587 ; You seem like an interesting character with many insights to share . I'm particularly interested in the Native American ET connection . Looking forward to your posts . Mark | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetinsg VO2587, I don't doubt that you have had a real experience with UFOs, however may I suggest you exercise some caution here should you choose to call or assume such beings as being "Pleiadian" or "Plejaran". James Gilliland made this mistake a few times which got him into some trouble. Later I informed him that just because a being is tall with blond hair and blue eyes does not mean he or she is a Pleiadian or Plejaran. I'm curious as to where you saw these UFOs and you may want to ask Billy himself more about the sighting and experiences. I myself have seen these UFOs in the Mt Shasta area. -Truthseeker | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 09-2003 |
Jay,Mark,Truthseeker, The ships had an auric field around them,which looked exactly as the human auric field described in thousands of texts. also similar to theories about Black holes.Toris, I believe. Aboard the vehicals there is a screen I didnt measure it ,I was programed with pictures, when I was younger for use as needed,I was usualy left alone to view certian coordinants throughout the local universe and there was alot of zig zaging techniques which when I read about Billy and his contacts in the late seventies led me to believe they are Pleidians.There is a large quarts sphere in front of the large screen,I was trained through intuitive comunication. That once you have a mental image of a specific destination, (mouth and a mental picture)you can get there. To give me proof, images of my near and distant future were shown at the Mesa Verde contact,So whenever I would question the reality of the subject,I would be reminded whenever the actul experiences ocured in real time. Yes they are tall, golden hair gold eyes same as me.they projected love and understanding,and left me with the distinct feeling that they miss me? | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2003 |
Throughout the years everyone that has seen my vissionary art would say "Oh thats Terra an Erra" I would always tell everyone that I see the images all the time,just a dream. "Billy" has influenced the majority of the world with his spritual teachings he has carried the world to new levels of spiritual thruth, I lift my cup to," "Billy,"and everyone that stands stedfast and strong by his side.I lift my spiritual sword in praise Its okay with me if my experiences are not Plejaran, I not trying to prove anything. If I'm guilty of anything,its that I should be posting this in non figu related topic.   | ||
George Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
HI V02587 - welcome to the forum. Can you give us your first name or explain why you need to hide behind 'V02587'. What does that symbol mean? Are you a Shaman or in Shamanic traing? I think that our native Shamans have much to contribute to our mutual understanding of the Truths(real facts) that we are seeking in order to develop correct understanding of how things realy are or were for the benefit of all nations in this world so that we may bring down the Great Illusion and so that everybody can finaly soon start comprehanding all things according to the Truth. George Salome - Peace in Wisdom | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 05-2003 |
Why did the Plejarens not look into the future about the gross falsification of the Talmud Of Jmmanuel? Why did they not wait until the humans were ready to handle the information we were given? It seems we should not have been given it before now. The earlier prophets have only been destroyers according to the Billy Meier-teachings. The stupidity (if i may use that word) of the extra-terrestrials 2000 years ago, have destroyed a lot, if that is the case. Think of all the religious wars for an instance, as you on this board often mention. It seems strange to me that intelligent beings seem to be the organizers of great destruction, a deathbringing false cult. | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2003 |
}I'm not a representitve of any tribe,church ,group, or organization on this planet.Yes, I should crawl back under the rock I came from? my grandmother left the tribe during the Civil War. Many native american tribes talk of the ancient ones, they're the ones you need to talk to. I'm not qualified to speek for anyone except myself.I've had some experiences with ocupants that fly ships that are very advanced.They gave imformation of future events so that I would understand. | ||
George Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi, V02587 we really are happy that you have decided to join in. We just like to know more about you. When you're talking about initiation I immiediatly think about elders and tribe Shaman giving you some shamanic rights etc. Fact that you received this initiation implies that you do possess shamanic abilities and that sombody has recognized it and verified/authorized those rights and abilities and perhaps directed you to pursue certain course of action like for example coming to this forum where people deal with Truth. So go ahead and tell us all about the ships their occupants, information they gave you about the future events. This is the best place to do it. This is how we can establish and check verify the Truth. By communicating our knowledge, facts - working on it together to develop wisdom from it and use it effectivly as future events occur. George Salome | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2003 |
11:11 | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 09-2003 |
I quote from contact 251," Time travel.""This discovery/invention, in turn will enable Man to travel into both the past and the future, and as well into the vastness of the Universe, something that was hithero impossible."'In the aftermath of these events new human lifeforms will be dicovered, without doubt,and humans of earth will learn unfathomable imformation from these extraterrestials, for they will posses remarkably greater intelligence than the terrestrials." After reading this, I would like some feedback. Is the Transferance device being used by the wrong terrestrials. Wake up everyone nows the time to start to communicate this discussion board needs some post's.!!!! | ||
George Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2003 |
HI V02587 If you go by chronological order of this event as laid out by contact 251 you will see that this is somthing that will happen(will be invented) at least 200 years from now. Regards George | ||
Gicayhwh Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2003 |
Hi dear all, I wonder if anybody knows the name of Semjase's mother. With love, Gica | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 05-2003 |
Is it really so sure that Billy has been the only contactee with Semjase through the years? It seems kind of strange that it shouldn`t be true, but consider the facts; a spiritual famous man called Lobsang Rampa, known for the socalled "walk-in" phenomena, stated he had had contact with semjase in his book that came out in 1956 if Im right, and the scientist who have contributed with so many products like Mr Fred Bell, amongst others. Especially, the Lobsang Rampa-case is to seriously consider. I don`t understand what is wrong here. Could it be that the Plejarens have more missions than talking to Billy? Seems strange. | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 05-2003 |
Do the Plejarens have kind of a warm glow around them? I think I read this in AYTF, that Ptaah was on a visit, and that a woman felt this warm glow,having a glance at him at a corner. Then Billy must be in possesion of this capability. In contact 6, there is explained that Billy in 1975 was tending to go to the evolutionary level (poorly translated), 4.5 "living after the laws of creation. "cleansing" of spirit and intellect. Total unrolling of belief acceptance". Then he quite possibly has gone over to stage 4.6 "determined use of spiritual powers". Then he can use his powers to whatever he will, just imagine what he and the plejarens can use their powers to! | ||
Kingvegita New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
I would be interested in hearing some specific history of the Pliedians, even that which doesn't concern us. It's always interesting to listen to the history of some group, and it could be especially insightful to see what they did to get to the point they're at. Did they have to deal with the problems we have to deal with? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 628 Registered: 02-2000 |
Kingvegita, I would say read Contact #251 on the Figu website. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Kingvegerita ; Yes the Plejarens fought among themselves long ago . They might have even had arguments about whether or not we existed or not . There is still no real evidence that we do , to those that want to argue about it . | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 09-2003 |
We are still fighting. | ||
Kingvegita Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2003 |
There's no real evidence that we exist? Are you speaking from a existentialist view, that we cannot trust our senses, or suggesting that we havent' been scientifically proven? Because I know that from a non-existentialist view I can observe humans enough to prove they exist, and I'm sure the Pleiadians can view us too if they can visit here, and there's no lying among them supposedly. Although, I will definately look into that yet. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 06-2000 |
Read it again ."They might have even had arguments about whether or not we existed or not . ( They might have ( as in : the past) maybe , possibilty , hypothetically . To detect whether or not you exist or not , hit your finger with a hammer . This will give you reliable evidence. To detect whether others exist , I prefer not to suggest anything ! You might really hurt someone ! "There is still no real evidence that we do , to those that want to argue about it ." What this means is that if we argue about the existence of others , it does'nt change the fact that they exist . Or that we exist . What I find however ,to my amazement , is that many people will still suspect Billy of fraud after the many many points of evidence he has given , and still hold some website that has NO PROOF as being just as credible , or more credible , whether Billy is %100 reliable or not . That's like someone coming to your house and showing you their product , see , feel , taste , etc. , and still you hold the possibilty of someone else who claims that their product is better only because their website says it is , or they say that the competitor who came to you house does'nt have a better product . Just an analogy . My comments in my previous post were not exactly literal . Look , I can't prove to you that this is all real . It's really not fair for someone who visits this website to ask others to prove it , when there is much evidence on this website if you look for it . www.andyettheyfly.com has more evidence . If you are really concerned , try looking at these websites , and stop wasting your time with sites that have no credibilty , no proof , and nothing to offer generally . You were lucky to draw your attention here , so don't waste your opportunity .If you don't get to the point sometime , then it really suggests that you don't have enough understanding to comprehend anyway . Always fighting it off because it doesn't conform to a 'gingerbread house picture' of what things ought to be . You don't like this , you don't like that . One thing doesnt seem right so it's all lies in your opinion . You don't have to beleive ANY of it , but if it's here , it's worth considering , and no reason for babies to 'cry for their milk' .Nothing personal , just plain up front advice . I don't mind being as blunt BECAUSE others have arrested alot of time and attention whining like spoiled children .Get to the point, man . Mark | ||
Kingvegita Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
hmm, I never did any doubting in this thread. I didn't have concern in the skeptics corner there about whether Billy had validation, just to it's extent. The best place to find proof is from believers. If you want to see if, say, Christianity is correct, you talk to Christians to get them to try to show you they're right, you don't go to a Bhuddist place and ask them. And that's more straight to the point than mulling around with stuff that doesnt' take a stance | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 06-2000 |
Right , Kingvegita One can't possibly just believe everything that's presented , and noone expects you to .#230D My point simply is : If there is enough to convince you that the Message is real , then get to the message itself , and try to get past that 'one photo is out of focus , another looks too small or too large' , etc. My previous post was an honest estimation of what I think that many people do with this website , and other websites that do not offer any proof about anything . It's your perogative to doubt in one thread and not another , and I was responding to you as if you were the Kingegita that posted in another thread . I assume that you are . All I'm saying to you is that you seem to be unwilling at this point to enter into the door that offers actual knowledge , still tepidly testing the water . Many people never get past that stage because there is still a photo that is out of focus , or something else isn't perfect , despite all the proof that is excellent . In any case , I didn't mean it as a personal affront to you . The point , in this context , would be the spiritual information and what's related that is useful . If UFO's are real or not , and what percentage is real , one can't really use . It only goes so far , and then what can you do with it ? This isn't really just about UFO's . That's what I'm trying to convey . Moderator : I'm getting #0D instead of some letters , which I carefully typed , retyped .I can't seem to fix it no matter what I try . Hi Mark, Two things come to mind, 1. Possibly your keyboard? 2. Sometimes if you type up a response in Microsoft Word and then copy it to your post, your post when saved will sometimes change the various punctuations. Maybe someone else might have some ideas about this. Thanks-Scott | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 291 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi all, Just a comment... Among the most "critical" people I know of, or those who "test" the Meier data continually, systematically & thoroughly, includes some (not all) of those people who might be said to be "Meier Believers". The more I/we look into the data, the more plausible the entire situation becomes. There are a LOT of observations not on this board (or other sites) dealing with "unofficial" corroborations of various sorts. Within my experience, the very best of the "New age" info, Cayce's (Halaliel) communications, self developement, history, psychism etc. include only a small part of this... not to mention some well known & "public" sources of corroboration. Overall, "Meier's data" is a very "mature" (& often in depth) set of info spanning many topics and disciplines. If one can get past the "UFO" or "Religious" thing, simply pick a topic & begin researching !! If so, please share!! It will take several lifetimes (at least) to begin to make a serious dent into the mountain of data Meier provides. At least, that is my opinion at present. Regards, JP | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 01-2002 |
JP, Well said, I agree with JP this is one way to see the case. I think another great thing or shall I say a good idea if it can be done by many in this forum would be to try and pay a good visit to the center (Switzerland), I know I will making that trip soon . This may also give everyone a good sense of the reality of this mission as well as the proof being placed on the table. The Plejarans have given us an avenue of all the things to come, let us take it further into the future and accept the things here and humble ourselves just a bit. Is the only alternative we have to go on and mature our social as well as our spiritual development to better serve our future. The Meier information is there and given all the technology available to us and the internet is just a matter of taking some time in your daily life and exploring to see the reality of what Billy and the Plejarans are telling us. I for one have done some extensive research into the case and is been for 10 good years. I am not a believer anymore, I KNOW this is happening not just to Billy but others who have come before him. Life sometimes is about chances and right now we need to take the leap and the chance and go for what the Plejarans are saying to us. If you think about it, there is nothing right now at this time in any part of the world which we can look up for sollutions, is all negative at this point. 2000 years have passed and it has come to us again, let us not miss the bus. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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