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Beli
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 03:15 pm: | 
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Your experience in telling others about Billy,...
..The truth is like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any. |
Lonnie
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 06:42 pm: |
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Dear forum members,
This is a good subject for discussion. Before any of us get carried away with preaching this informnation to others, it is highly recomended (as Scott suggested) that all of us read and re-read the essay by Billy entitled; "Talkativeness and Performing Missionary work."
Everyone must have the freedom to think and reason for themselves without ANYONE interfering with this "basic human right." This is especially so when it comes to the study of spiritual related matters because it is a "consciousness related" process. All of us (myself included) may get over-enthusiastic at times, but this CAN and MUST be CONTROLLED, by controlling OUR OWN THINKING!
This is one of the most important areas where we really need to be aware of SHOWING proper respect and consideration for our fellow human beings.
Any thoughts?
Salome,
Lonnie Morton |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 183
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 08:53 pm: |
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A great topic , and a long time in coming .
The approach is everything , and some psychology is necessary , and since any new information is firstly for the benefit of the listener ; that person's consideration and consciousness should be respected to the highest degree .
By respect , I do not mean that you can't show the rediculousness of religion , only that when you make an example or an analogy , make it a good one ; Jmmanuel himself used analogies all the time , but they were called parables . Little by little , you gain someone's attention and interest by logic , sometimes humor , and other times by your own directness and courage .
I think this section is going to be huge . I have some experiences that I have learned from , but I learn more from thinking through what I mean to say , long before I have a chance to . The game is won by preparation .
Many thanks , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Torrent
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 12:51 am: |
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I would like to share my story regarding how I have tried (and failed) to spread the truth about Billy, and Mission and Teachings.
I have long studied about Billy¡¯s mission for 8 years or so. There were many times that I wanted to discuss this issue with other people around me and hopefully help them ¡®open¡¯ their eyes, but because I already knew very well that most people would find it extremely difficult to overcome their prejudices or they wouldn¡¯t even take a look at this issue with their own reasoning, I didn¡¯t even try that.
Frankly, when I start talking about UFO with no intention of leading the conversation further into Billy¡¯s case, most common reaction is ¡°whether I believe in UFO or not, it is ridiculous to discuss it¡±. It is true that UFO is nothing but a mystery issue for most of people and it is just impossible to let them associate UFO and advanced extraterrestrials with the issues involving Creation and spiritual evolution because they have been long enslaved by religions. They would just laugh at us once we started saying ¡®There is a farmer in Swiss who claims he has maintained a contact with much advanced extraterrestrials who want to teach us about spiritual evolution¡¯. That is a reality and we all know that.
That is also why Billy wrote ¡®Talkativeness and Performing Missionary Work' for us to be careful not to get into this mistake.
Yes, we have no obligation to spread the teaching to our fellowmen. I think it is simply the most important that we study it ourselves first and live according to it the best way we can. On the other hand, we know that Pleiadians came to the earth to spread the teachings and Billy¡¯s mission is exactly the same. No doubt the spreading of teachings should be done.
It is also natural for us to feel so urged to share this wonderful truth with others if we realize we understand the teachings well enough to help others to divert their attention to Billy¡¯s mission, just like we want to share information about good products or fancy restaurants with our friends or family.
So rather than directly intimidating each person face to face, I recently chose to send out an email containing links to some webpages (including FIGU homepage) where they could find the information themselves. I just briefly explained about Billy and stressed out this is more about spiritual issues and it would take them much patience and time to figure out, for the purpose of giving the ball in their hands instead of forcing the teachings on them. If they find it interesting, they would proceed in studying the case, just as we all did at first stage, or they would just ignore it.
This is the excerpt from my message sent out to approximately 20 people.
Here I want to share wonderful experiences with you called FINDING YOUR OWN TRUTH.
This is what I have researched for the last 8 years and I have concluded that I am ready to share this with you. This is about Eduard "Billy" Meier, a poor Swiss farmer, who claims to have had contact with beings from the Pleiades star cluster. Yes this case is one of the most well-known close encounter cases in Ufology, but I want you to know that this is more about spiritual teachings, rather than just UFO stuff.
First of all, I want to tell you that you should have enormous patience to research this. Not only it will take a lot of time, you will also have so many questions rising in your mind throughout the process, and most of all, you will feel guilty defying your own religion or belief system, but if you get through it and find your own truth, whether you believe it or not, you will gain another knowledge and it will be good for you.
Well, only 2 out of 20 recipients replied so far. One said he studied it long time ago and he concluded Billy¡¯s case was a hoax, and the other frankly told me he wouldn¡¯t have time to study this due to his busy schedule. I am quite certain that the rest of 18 found this total non-sense and decided not to check it at all. Anyway I could avoid forcing my thoughts on them through just sending them a message and giving them a chance to ignore once they don¡¯t find it necessary to go further.
I sometimes wonder how I could overcome all my previous prejudices and stupidity to decide to study this case even though this case looked so¡®irrational and arrant' at first.
Yes I was lucky to do so, but what about most of the other earthlings?
Consequently, I will never try to spread the teachings again because it is absolutely futile.
If they have the capabilities to keep their eyes open to the truth, they will eventually find it.
I just pray for it. |
Tjames
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:26 pm: |
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Hi Torrent,
I too agree and have had to learn the hard way when it comes to "missionizing" the material. The first thing someone wants to do when they hear something so true and pure (if they're honest) is to share the information. I tried to preach myself and thought that only if I wasn't forcful or "left them an out" I would somehow win their heart. Actually in some cases I did, and it wasn't through the intention of telling someone "you should" or "do this", even though some individuals are very qualified to speak in this manner they choose not to. Billy for example, speaks only in neccisary terms like in the U.S. political and foreign policies. They are so corrupt and inflicting such long term damage his whole existence is to lead as an example for man-kind.
I found that only through an honest heart and open mind and by simply listening to someone and responding to their wants needs concerns could one even begin to meet minds in a scenario upon where someone feels they are in the position or have the freedom to make such a decision concerning the Meier Contacts. However, this rarely happens only in close friendships and is usually wise to let people be and evolve on their own terms. Finally an individual who wants to know about this material will ask. Infact, I have been recently asked about such a topic and then I felt safe to disclose such personal information in a controlled an thoughtful manner. It seems that when the topic of spiritual matters are discussed they always occur when the energy within onself and the environment around is of a neutral/positive state. I just wanted to let you know I agree and share similar concerns on this matter.
Salome be with you,
Tim |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 114
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 06:59 am: |
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hi to all
i hope everyone is doing fine
yes i agree, to open this new topic was a great idea, because in one or another i think that everyone feels the neccesity to share with others all the great things that you discover
i will share a bit of my experience telling others about Billy, the teachings etc:
for some time i have been searching for the truth, wisdom, etc, i searched in a lot of philosophies from all over the world and i found that basically the truth is the same for places and all times, logically as i discovered great things that really changed my life, i tried to share some of this with people close to me,
but very soon i recognized that unfortunately they are completely deaf and blind, and that you cannot force other persons to become reasonable no matter how logical are your explanations or how hard you try, but that they will slowly but surely begin to comprehend, so what you can do is to share with those who are beginning to free themselves from religions and begin to search for the truth by themselves
so, after some time, and thanks to things like dreams about UFOs, etc i found about Billy and the Mission, i found a REAL answer to many questions like: why things are going so bad in this planet???, why so much suffering???, how is it possible that billions and billions of human beings are deceived and exploited so easily and without no anyone noticing??? just walking like zombies and "living" a life without a reason . . .
with my previous experience i already knew that people would not listen to the truth, but that anyway it was my responsability at least to make the truth about overpopulation be known, so since then i have sent the info to many people
and i have to say the "place" where i have found more "reasonable" people that is willing to listen
is in a "list" that is about "hermetic philosophy", where people that basically have read "the Kybalion" and want to know more, discuss about all kinds of things,
i have shared too the truth about Jmmanuel and many other stuff with people with open minds and who are interested, but it doesn´t seem to work very much, they just say great!, thanks! and thats all, usually they dont go beyond
it seems like everyone has to walk his/her own path . . .
its been a very lonely path for me
and i´m very happy that i have found a "place" like this where finally i can express a little of what i think and feel
and i´m very happy that still there exists in this world people, that have a clean heart . . .
i hope someday we all can meet and see to each others eyes with the absolute certainty that someday this planet will be a more beautiful and peaceful place
i wish too, that this words serve a purpose,
i wish that all people that read this words come closer to each other and leave all those empty discussions like:
you said this or that
i am this this or that
you are this or that . . .
i think that instead of that we should search and find the things that we have in common that connect us with each other
we must see the positive in the negative and the negative in the positive . . .
thanks for reading this
and thanks for being yourself
no matter who you are you are a very special person like there is no other in the entire universe and the entire creation needs you
respect yourself and respect others |
Tjames
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 01:10 pm: |
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Hi all,
I have another little story for you guys on the importance of letting people just simply evolve.
My father is a Christian Pastor and has been for the past several years working a church out of his home. I think all in all he had a good message but it was needless to say from a source that has been altered on a yearly basis.
As many at the FIGU already know how important the truth actually is, it can sometimes be and almost with complete certainty is a long and tough path, but not without reward.
Through out the past year my fathers church which held at one point 17 people including a few siblings. This was not a large establishment but very significant just because of the hold it had on not only my fathers life but if other friends and family members.
Despite the fact that my father is very religious or as they call it "relationship" he is somehow a very open-minded individual, not to mention a very advanced and well roundeded individual.
Well it confirms it. It turns out he must be because about 8 months ago we had a series of very pleasurable and informative discussions on everything concerning government policy, technolegy but of the most importance (for me at-least) was the my interests in Meier Contacts but more specifically the Talmud Jmmanuel.
I think he was very interested in this and actually asked me if he could read this and then my step mother wanted to give me a book on Christianiy called "The case for Christ". Which I thought was very odd that it was written by two Jewish men??? Couldn't hardly read it but that's ok.
Anyway, he read it and said "it was very interesting" but then later told me "some people aren't ready for these kinds of things" I jumped in excitement because this implied he considered a possibility for this to be true.
Not only that but about 8 months or so later he canceled his church and does not plan to "preach" on a larger scale anymore. He is still Christian but that's his right. What a shock! I never would have expected something so pure come out of such a simple and enjoyable conversation. But, I it was he who thought for himself, something that shows great courage and insight.
Salome,
Tim |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 02:35 am: |
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Hello everyone,
I like to mention my perspective about all this, relating to my introduction to the Meier material, etc. When I first read Gary Kinder's 'Light Years' I thought it was a very truthful account, which I believed. I think I read Jenny Randles 'Contact - A Window on Another World' prior to this, which is about a British family's encounter with the 'Janos People'.
However after that, I noted how Billy Meier was not highly regarded in the various UFO literature, etc. eg. He doesn't feature too well in several television programs about UFOs. One program said he was using 'models' with minature trees, using the 'forced perspective' technique. So I thereafter didn't take Billy Meier too seriously anymore, not wanting to even read anything about him anymore, since he was generally regarded as being a hoax/etc, like with the Gulf Breeze personality, who has been similarly discredited.
It was only very recently - that I've come across the Billy Meier material again, but this time having access to a lot of information about him/etc. Mainly from Randolph Winters though, who is now not regarded as a reliable source. But isn't his audio tape series still accurate? ie. It was his later material about a different UFO contact, that is seen as being a lie/etc.
I'll guess that the Randolph Winters tapes are at the moment, the only such audio tapes that deal with Billy Meier.
It was when I have completed a rough draft of a book I thought I should be writing - that I was becoming familiar with the Plejarens view about Earth, etc --- which I found to be much like my own views, having come to similar conclusions myself.
I don't think it makes my writing/book redundant, as it's more about how to get from here to there - ie. It tries to make people aware of how you must do your own thinking/investigating/reasoning/etc to come to your own conclusions as to what you believe in. You simply cannot just become like 'sheep' by joining a religion, etc -- letting someone else do the thinking for you. That is simply not good enough, because you must 'believe' yourself through your own awareness and wakening (reasoning/thinking/etc).
My working title for the book is 'Truth 101 - The KISS of Life' [KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid].
What I say basically is, that you must use your thinking process, like that for choosing to buy a suitable car, house, etc for yourself, you must also apply to religion and beliefs, to sort out what is suitable for you, and whether something is true or not?
I have a brother who's new to Jehovah's Witness, when I read a little about 'them' and how they treat their own people --- I warned my brother, how bad they were. I recognised straight away their indoctrination process is a process of brainwashing, and they have no proof whatsoever that what they say is true. This is also the case for Christianity. They are all 'claims' with no proof. And they don't make any sense within what they preach.
They are spoonfed 'crap' [there's no nice way of saying it] which they digest and absorb, without really questioning it seriously. Unfortunately that is also true of christianity. Only it's different crap [disinformation] they are fed.
I know that if I were to try to explain what beliefs I believe in --- it will sound very unbelievable and like science fiction [which is how it does sound like]. Of course the Bible says the same things, only Christians don't recognise them as such. eg. The Book of Ezekiel is all about a UFO sighting, and 'angels' are ETs, in other words, they come from the heavens, ie. skyward, other worldly. If the space shuttle were to land in Biblical times, and astronauts step out to meet the local inhabitants, they would be regarded as 'angels' and asked - 'Do you come from god?'.
Billy Meier is of course, a prophet - just like Edgar Cayce was. And unlike others, Billy Meier has provided 'proof' for his various claims. I just hope that the Plejarens will continue to provide 'concrete proof' in future, to help Billy. Or that Billy will reveal other proof he has not yet shown.
Even trying to explain reincarnation to someone else, is not easy - the moment you start explaining it, you have all manner of other questions come up, in regard to it.
And some of the things I might describe about reincarnation, may not be fully agreeable to the Billy Meier / Plejaren view of reincarnation and dying/etc. I haven't read all of the FIGU/etc
material about this.
At the moment there is a lot of talk about the da Vinci code because it is being made into a hollywood film. This seems to be a work of fiction, although I do not know all the details about the book and it's ideas. Something about Mary Magdelene being an 'apostle' and is seated next to Jesus in da Vinci's Last Supper painting. I'll guess this is not confirmed with the Billy Meier/Plejaren material. There are a lot of different stories about Jesus, and I guess the da Vinci code is just that, another story?
Someone will no doubt produce a big budget film that will contain much of what the Billy Meier / Plejaren material is about. That the ideas will get into the mainstream media. How does the FIGU view such a proposal? To actually have a movie made about Billy Meier's life/etc. I'm sure all the special effects are possible - there should be someone approachable who fulfills the criteria for treating the material with respect and integrity. Peter Jackson? While I live not so far away from Wellington, New Zealand --- I don't have any contact with him or the New Zealand film industry.
Such a movie of course, would reach a very wide audience. I'd hate to see a film ending up like another 'Signs' [haven't seen that film yet] or worse...
The Billy Meier / Plejaren material should reach the mainstream media at some time --- that it can be inspirational for music, lyrics, theatre, film, television, etc --- instead of it being only in the documentary area. Although more documentaries about Billy Meier would be a good thing. I would think he's very tired of being in yet another documentary, although I wonder how many have been good? and how many bad?
Harvey |
Michael
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Post Number: 456
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 03:31 pm: |
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Harvey,
Please visit www.theyfly.com for a lot of free info, links, etc. And know that there are books, CDs a DVD, etc. on the case. I represent it in the American media (I'll also be presenting in Amsterdam in May) and I am working with a film producer as well.
Michael Horn
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Kiwilove
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 11:29 pm: |
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Thanks Michael for the website reference, which I'll check out and recomend for my local library to purchase the listed materials.
I haven't the money or income to order items directly myself. Such is my lack of money at present.
I have accessed what files I can, via shared file networks. I do have that lecture Wendelle Stevens gave, that was videotaped, in which he goes over the earliest UFO photographs Billy Meier took, while in India, and covers those classic UFO photographs he took in the late 70s' and early 80s'.
Also that piece of video in which Randolph Winters goes over Billy Meier's personal photographs, which shows photos in an album, which amongst other things shows photos Billy took, while in a beamship, etc. Those photos, sadly lack fine detail - probably more due to how the video was taken? I'll guess.
I don't know if readers here have seen a British television documentary titled 'Did Jesus Die?'.
It presents much the same case as in the Talmud Jmmanuel, although there are no references to the Talmud Jmmanuel or Billy Meier/Plejarens/etc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die-interview.shtml
It is nice to see an independent production which presents more or less the same story. This was shown at Easter here (in NZ) 2-3 years ago, and before I read much more of the Billy Meier material, which I have read/listened to, in the last 2-3 months.
The tombsite is shown in Kashmir along with his foot imprints, which showed he was crucified.
A book I am trying to write, lays the groundwork down, that with simple common sense it is apparent that various authorities do lie to us (eg. we don't have a correct history of the world - the one presented to us, is far from complete, and it completely ignores all of the mysteries of the world [all enigmas of ancient advanced civilisations]). Name any kind of authoritiy -
eg. religious, government, academic, etc and it is usual that they are not telling the public the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
It is certainly not easy to present the Billy Meier case to the public. It is best to leave the most controversial out, in the initial presentation. Eventually you'll have to admit that the truth is only controversial because we have been lied to for so long - by our history and science books, certainly christianity has lied to us so long. And if the www.disclosureproject.org is genuine, then the US government lies have been humungous - although it is only a small portion of the US government that has deliberately lied.
You can only gradually gently introduce this material slowly and leave enough references that the public can check it out on their own.
Most will not believe the unbelievable though, until they entertain the ideas seriously enough.
The implausible becomes plausible when no other explanation is possible.
Harvey |
Phil638
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 05:51 am: |
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Hello Harvey,
just in regard to your last paragraph there. I agree with you that you can only gradually gently introduce billy meier's case material slowly to the general public, but the biggest problem that I feel is the short ammount of time thats left before world war 3 happens. The governments of nations of the world and other organisations don't want to listen. Another problem is how can you make the implausible plausible to the public if the vast majority of the public only believes that the implausible is plausible only when the masses of the general public believes that it is plausible.
I think Michael Horn is doing an absolutely fantastic job that his doing, but I think that it could be a bit too much for one person to have to try to wake up the world to where its heading in the little time left before WW3 and when all the major madia outlets turn him away. I think whats needed is if he got a bit of help from one of the many high profile/power people who are believers in the billy meier case. People that could their power to help michael to get to help him to broadcast his message into the major mainstream media outlets or at least even help by affiliating and associating themselves somewhat with michael when he makes some of his public media appearences. All I seen so far is michael horn the lone wolf howling all on his own.
Its senseless when you consider that most of the high profile/power/influentual people and organisations around the world today are all believers in the validity of the billy meier case and as such that they know whats at stake here too and thats its just around the corner too and from what I can see aren't bothering to help him.
phil |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 672
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 01:44 pm: |
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Hi Phil,
In your post you have mentioned more than once the short time we have left in regards to WWWIII.
At this point in time this is only a prophecy and not a reality. Remember the power of your thoughts and others can generate powerful effects whether we realize it or not. Wouldn't it be wiser to concentrate on peace and alternative solutions rather than an impending war that at this point is only in the minds of people that care to entertain these thoughts. If you have read any information about the effects of the peace meditation you will find the power of collective thought is capable of changing the world.
Regards
Scott |
Kingman
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 04:08 pm: |
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Hi Phil,
Scott posted one of the most important responses regarding your thoughts of a potential WWIII (guarding your thoughts). He also points out your reference to the shortness of time should this event happen. Know that if you help plant just one seed, in the right mind, at the right moment, you could be partly responsible should that person begin carrying the torch, such as Michael Horn does, thus making your "short time" rewarding. That person may walk up to you at any moment and show themself to you as someone who would invite this new knowledge of Billy's mission into thier mind. If the message you transmit isn't being received by the people you share it with, move on or save your breath, they aren't ready for it. A receptive mind will request more information and this also will help to increase your understanding of the material. Value for your "time" is created by the wisdom of your choices, not by the mere length of it.
Share wisely.
a friend in america,
Shawn
a friend in america
Shawn
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Phil638
Member
Post Number: 73
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 05:25 pm: |
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Hi Scott,
I guess your right there but sometimes I just can't help think about what could lie ahead for us/me in the future as thats where my thoughts are always thinking about things like how and where I'd like to see myself in the future with family and all. I worry too much sometimes I guess.
No, I haven't read about the effects of the peace meditation but will do so shortly.
phil |
Newinitiation
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 07:58 am: |
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Hi fellow members
I am stupified as to the insidious level that cult religion permeates in every aspect of our daily life, such realisation is reinforced even more so by getting to know Billy's teachings but why I say this is whenever I bring up the subject on either creational teachings, about Billy or UFOs to people around me there is this contemptuous look coupled with dismay and patronising lecture not to ever bring up the subject again for the fear of losing face, potential embarassment, ridicule and the fact that talking about certain truths about religion to people who are religious will only sow their wrath and unwanted consequences as in their churches they also inform their congregation not to deal with people who babble new age nonsense about UFOs, about other teaching that do not conform with theirs and the fact that because so many people are religious the truth of creation and about Billy is drowned out by the exploiters of this new age who use some semblance of the truth to con people of their money thus discrediting the real truth and the person delivering it. Anyway my conviction has not swayed by their lack of understanding or their shortsighted criticism and ridicules as whether this quest for the real truth is worth it's hardship I am sure it is and yet I am also saddened by the enormous hurdle that lies ahead for us who believe in the truth. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 05:47 am: |
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Hi NewInitiation
If you can imagine living a normal life, going about your business and allowing others to go about theirs, while knowing that the truth about our place in the world and all Creation is gradually being established, I think you need not feel offended by other people's beliefs, as it isn't for any of us here to try to convince them, nor even to inform them, unless they are freely enquiring. Every member of FIGU has embraced the knowledge to be found on this site according to his/her own free will. Yet there was a time for many of us, I expect (certainly for me), when we would have had no interest whatsoever. Had someone come to you informing you of FIGU 10 years ago, would you have given them your undivided attention? I wouldn't have because my interests lied elsewhere and my understanding wasn't as comprehensive as perhaps it is now. But eventually, after many years of seeking, I discovered FIGU for myself, although I couldn't give a XXXX for the UFO connection, nor even for the Plejarens. So, you see, I think eventually people will turn to the truth. It's just that some of us will do it in this lifetime, while others will do it in the next, or many lifetimes later. As long as the truth is accessible, and as long as people are open to learning from their experiences, which of course they are, it shouldn't really concern us to the point of fretting. |
Markc
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Post Number: 223
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 11:05 pm: |
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Hi New Initiation ;
A few well chosen words are worth more than many, badly planned . I recommend that you think about what you want to say for a long time , deliberate over the layers of meaning that you wish to address , and go about your message in a way that reaches people in a psycologically clever way .
It looks to me like your'e teaching yourself how to make people think , and that's never negative .
Regards , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Dplotmach
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 08:45 am: |
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Hello Forum Members,
I am very tired of getting negative respons from others when it comes to spreading the information and specially the evidence concerning the reality of the contacts of Billy Meier. I do not mean any of you of-course. I am studying at the university here in Norway, and I am trying to use the information and insights I get from books and seminars to confirm my belief in the information from Billy Meier, and the Plejarens. I become both sceptical and positive to the ET's mission here on earth, but mainly become positive. One have to be critical to everything one reads, in order to understand and debate. I feel that much of the information from the Plejarens and Billy are not properly confirmed by science, and I believe I will dedicate much of this lifetime to document it, or at least I hope I will be able to it. I am thinking on the project "human evolution", in all it's aspects, to be able to make people and scientists understand this logically. There is in my opinion extreme ignorance when approaching the UFO-phenomenom, in scientists minds and those people being affected of it. Or one might call it "infected". I believe it would be very healthy for all forum-members to try to educate themselves on universities to possibly get a degree, that would strengthen the openness to the case. Many people believe the UFO-phenomenom and its spiritual aspects are only for the weak-minded and some crazy people on the country-side. Which might also be true when it comes to false contactees though.
I am per now studying Social-Antropology, and it is a very interesting subject. Maybe the reason why scientists are so negative to these matters is because they consist mainly of atheists and convicted christians that are also very smart, which have established these ways of viewing life and the universe on their own limited understanding, and their limited facts/information. They are also possible very afraid that they would be discredited and not taken seriously as a scientist if they try to research the UFO-phenomenom, based on the ignorance. I will have to educate myself very much to do this mission, and my background as a mentally unstable person might not have the disastrous effect if I am able to prove the information from the Plejarens. Then people will have to take it seriously, instead of just "preaching the Meier-stuff" without any scientifically background.
I might be able to sort of combine the Christian-beliefs and the materialistic knowledge, into a "symbiosis" or synthesis, if that is the right words. Do you people have any suggestions and advice to me, if I am indeed to realise my visions? I am very glad for comments/critique to my posts  |
Phil638
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Post Number: 115
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 02:49 pm: |
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Hello Dplotmach,
I think its great that your doing that kind of scientific studying at unversity and I also think that its great what you'd like to do and hope to acheive out of it in the future too. I also agree with you with what you said there with your views concerning about what you think is the sitution and problem with most of scientists throughout the world today being so negative too. I also think that what you intent to do regarding with your "human evolution" project and how you hope to be able to make people and scientists throughout the world understand this more in a logical sense is also an excellent thing of/for you to do too if you acheive this as thats what I also think like you do is whats needed here too. The only thing that I can think of that might be a problem to you is the system. What I mean by the system is the governments, media and corporations of the world. I believe/think that there are some genuine good scientists throughout the world who know all about the validity of billy meiers evolution and spirituality material case and they agree with it too. I also think that they too like you would very much like to use their scientific positions to bring this information and material out to other scientists and out to the public like you do too, but I believe the system always adamantly gets in the way and stops them from doing this in the systems usual own mysterious ways that it likes to conduct itself in. I surely hope I'm wrong with what I say here Dplotmach but thats what I think could be your biggest problem in acheiving what you'd like to do.
I'd also like to say that I wish there were only more scientists and the like with your type of attitude throughout the world too as I believe most of them have got their heads up backsides.
phil |
Newinitiation
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 08:33 am: |
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Hi Joseph_emmanuel
Thank you for your response as we can all learn from each others unique perspective.
What I like to say in response though is that if we are truly as a member of FIGU devoted to the truth we also have to take into consideration how the truth we have learnt from Billy will not only affect ourselves but also others because we become different human beings as a result of the teachings of the truth which reflects back on how we are to others. Now you cannot seriously expect other people to first enquire to us about these matters for which they know nothing about, obviously it's not for us who know to proselytize against the wishes of Billy judgements for he has warned us in the bulletins but never said that we cannot talk about such things if need be, this isn't about whether billy said this or that although his judgement I trust because I think independently that they are so wisdom filled and speak the truth.
We cannot expect upon being taught the truth that all of us being privy to this information withold it from others? If it was providence that in this lifetime all those who got to know about billy's mission think that it happened all by accident or that they happen to live in this juncture where a true prophet happens to live alongside them then they've got to be kidding themselves. Everything has a reason and purpose.
If joseph_emmanuel, your devotion to the truth is genuine and took into consideration the problems of overpopulation, crimes against humanity, all the ills of the world for which religion plays no insignificant role, worldwide pollution and all the ills and degeneracies of humans beings for which the spiritual teaching were brought to amend then can you confidently look in the eyes of the victims of our own evils and tell them there is nothing to fret about will you? |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 07:17 am: |
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hi Melli
i don´t know
why don´t you ask Billy?
or does somebody here in the forum knows?
take care |
Junior
Member
Post Number: 35
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 04:18 am: |
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Dear All,
In regard to the discussion i was having on the David Icke forum i have nearly come to an end with my attempt.
Please guys give me some feedback... as its not always easy for a person to lean more about him self unless someone points out a few things, good points or bad ones...
especially Michael H. i am sure you can give a few points...
thank you all in advance...
this is the link again...please note P.5or6 is the last up to date page
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14081&sid=5700f70dd2434fd18cd8a661ba43520a
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 108
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:15 am: |
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dear junior
Look if there is one advice I can give you as a person among many who stand on the same ground as you then I hope you listen with your heart. Judging from what was written in the icke forum from you and the respondents responses, something very apparent came to surface, the more you responded with what was essentially the truth from the sources you derived from FIGU and others for them to see, the more resistance and barriers they put up. So no matter what you provide for them you will only fall deeper into the hole that will only get deeper and deeper as you try to explain yourself in response to their resistence. Junior just let it go, you'll only make yourself into a fool that you aren't but for the people in that forum it appears that way. If its of any consolation, you already have done enough just by providing a link to the various websites for them to have at least consciously contemplated. Maybe not right now but if you see the flow and web of life, you will find that your attempts to bring to light about billy must be looked at in a longer time frame, meaning they (the others who don't accept as truth of the genuineness of billy's contacts) may not see it right now but among them, some will be convinced as time passes and where things (prophecies and other information from billy) become more apparent.
So all in all although we don't have much time even though its still a prophecy, it'll be better if you moved on to other chatrooms and disseminated the relevant information and links to once again give new people something to think about.
peace be with you |
Consolato
Member
Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:23 am: |
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Junior, I tend to agree with everything Newinitiation had just said there too.
Well said Newinitiation.
Con |
Junior
Member
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 02:14 am: |
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Dear Newinitiation & Consolato,
Thank you for your comments, as a mtter of fact i totally agree with you. you see one of my reasons to do this is like taking up a challange that i haven't had for about 1 year now, I totally agree with you that most people that would reply to me don't have the back round to back their assumptions, which leads them to worse assumptions which as you said digging a deeper hole :-), therefore i wasn't planning to discuss the subject more than a week. as i have had vacation for the past week, i had some free time to take on a challange but in normal days i would be busy reading Billy's books, and going to work which really in todays speed of time the day would be finished very quick.
I am happy that there were no mistakes done, as one of the main things i gained is to sort out my mind or organize my thoughts in a way that i might have not managed by just thinking to my self.
I think it will be sometime before i take another challange online. To tell you the truth i don't like the internet or telephone for communication because they tend to loose alot of the meaning that would otherwise be present in a face to face discussion.
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Norm
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Post Number: 749
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 10:42 am: |
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I tried to get on that forum, but they never approved my membership. |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 200
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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dear forum
Its a challenge that one must take it upon oneself I believe as when the time comes for those in the know about billy, there is this urgent sense and an obligation to spread the truth.
Its never easy when there are so many knuckle heads out there brimming with self created delusions inside their heads but the work must go on.
This act of spreading the truth is in itself a spiritual exercise that somehow strengthens ones devotion and alignment whereby loyality to it becomes much more clear.
It is also an intellectual exercise in that the challenges posed by the objectors greatly motivates you to draw deeper from within for answers that returns back to you manifold as knowledge digested fully.
It definitely an expercise of love also because its a selfless act although not purely altruistic.
I learn new things everyday. Its great but not an easy path to walk let alone avoid being a hypocrite.
love all |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 169
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 05:42 pm: |
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Dear friends,
Just a comment about the above "listen with your heart" remark.
It's my understanding that BEAM teaches that we must listen with our HEADS and then - after adequate internal processing - what we have ingested can be aligned with our hearts.
He explains that visceral reactions are atavistic.
Cheers!
Dyson |
Wall2wall
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
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It can be the hardest thing in the world to not share what one has learned from Billy and FIGU. Especially when in discussions about UFOs, Religion, and the Mysteries. I have adopted the method of "passive exposure" to let those who might be receptive to this discussion self select. For instance, I keep one of Billys beautiful, clear beamship pictures on my computer screen saver and back ground, so when people find themselves in my office, they have an opportunity to react, or not.
I never ceases to amaze me how many college professors I've hosted in my office who don't give it a second glance. I almost EXPECT lay persons to ignore it. At home, I'll turn to TLC or the discovery channel if they're showing UFO, or mystery related programming and wait to see if my wife will engage it.
As exasperated as I get at how FEW people are even REMOTELY curious, I know the negative results of force feeding this discussion to someone or a group that isn't ready. |
Rarena
Member
Post Number: 39
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 09:08 am: |
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Many do not understand the nature of spirit because we live in this three dimensional paradigm of Newtonian cause and effect so there is a large amount of confusion on the subject where no physical reality exists.
Spirit is our true form, not physical. We are spiritual beings having a "human" experience.
We are spiritual beings temporarily incarnate and any "visceral" (Gut) reaction is of course through our body. By aligning our body with our spirit our true selves, we resonate with spirit and gain the power of it.
As Billy said, knowledge to wisdom, wisdom to spirit is the correct direction to take.
Speaking of spiritual, it is a non intellectual pursuit not a belief, but a knowing. An experiential experience rather than learned response. Like when you wake up within five minutes of when you wanted to wake up the night before. You did not have any clocks in your sleep, so how did you know what time to wake up?
Experiential rather than intellectual.
This works whether you're in your normal time zone or not. In other words when in Germany and you normally live on the West Coast it is possible to do this. So it is not about habitual things.
As to atavism, another of those "isms" we have to watch out for... you can gain a gut reaction by playing a 25 Hz. tone at say a movie or something like that and it causes a fear like response. It is perceived as fear... You get a gut feeling... This is an old trick in the movie industry, want them to feel fear? Play the 25HZ tones. Maintain low tones... The coneheads... another crypto facist metaphor for intelligent contact from other planets... in this case REMULAK... eh eh...
But look at what is being said here, 25 Hz is a lower and slower energy. By being in touch with higher and faster energy you gain a frequency that is of spirit. Yeah, we are not there yet, but there has to be a happy medium or at least and intention to get there or we will stay in the lower and slower fear based reality.
Fear is illusion. Fear is how people control other people. Bullyism... It is a perception that is of the ego, the lower and slower based emotions. Not that we don't all experience it, it's what keeps us from running across a busy freeway... ego. It has served us for eons, but is not of us.
What's in it for me or my reputation, or what we do or think or somehow we are separate from what we want or each other... the ego.
Even Jmmanuel was in fear of the known and unknown at the time before being nailed on the cross. This most advanced spiritual being feels fear, we will to, until that day, when we all experience immortality, that is... no death, because you have to have a body to experience death. When you don't have one, are pure spirit, as in the realm of Arahat Athersata... you can't die and forget your previous incarnation so you live forever... forever, non temporal, non sectarian, your everlasting peace... but not perfection, that is reserved for the Patale... and they are always improving upon themselves as well...
Rather, with creativity we can pro create our reality by first imagining what it is we want for ourselves, or better, for others... and then being it. You want peace... be it.
When you seek approval from others for your actions, they control you. If you want them to know and love you more... stop caring if you get their approval and you will. It is a paradox, or dichotomy, both of the lower and slower energies.
Levels of frequency:
1.) body dense, base lower vibrations
2.) sound, higher and faster but still low
3.) light, higher yet not as fast as thought
4.) thought, Andromeda and back in .3 seconds...
5.) spirit, the highest and fastest energy
Show love in response to hate. We are part of an infinite amount of ways to react to anyone and anything. React with love, the heart symbolizes that but does not think. It's the same old deal of content vs. context.
The Universe is infinite right? So how can there be scarcity in infinity? There isn’t. So when you find yourself in scarcity consciousness, think differently. For example, there is not enough oil in the world... Use another fuel or something besides the technological stagnation induced for profit since there are a trillion barrels of oil still left in the ground. Dollars to be made, thinks the ego, who wants more...
Rather, use another form of energy, spiritual use the heart filter, not your guts, but the idea of love rather than hate which is love going in the wrong direction.
You cannot simultaneously prepare for war and peace. You have to be for things... not against them. Remember that.
Tschüs... Love to all... especially my enemies...
rarena ô¿ô
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona.
Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. |
Scott
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Post Number: 807
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 09:11 am: |
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Please stick to the topic |
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