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    Truthseeker Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 03-2003 |
Attention everyone, It has just been brought to my attention a matter regarding a former posting here in this topic string by Dyson, Post #417, Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:07 pm, in relation to the Asket and Nera photos, where he stated rather wrongly: "Billy's contacts from this DERN universe don't allow photos because they would be worshipped (and/or cursed) as (religious-like) icons, and that evidently sends dangerous vibes in the direction of the subject of the photograph. Asket and Nera live in the DAL universe, where these bad vibes can't reach, so there was no danger to them." Now first of all the truth of the matter is, the Plejarens and Asket would not worry about being cursed as such, because they already have protective devices placed on their belts which would already protect them from any sort of negative though forms coming their way, not to mention it's logical to assume their UFO craft, etc, would also be protected from all sorts of thought forms and radiations which may already be present throughout the universe, or even that coming from Earth. 2ndly if the Plejarens were worried about being worshipped as Gods or deity religious like icons, then they would not have allowed sketches and art to be made of their portraits. I'm actually surprised that Dyson at the time even made such a comment giving the fact that he was usually the first person to trumpet the fact that so many others like Randy Winters made similar mistakes and assumptions regarding Billy Meier and the Plejarens. But since Dyson is no longer here I suppose that is no longer even worth the comment, except for the fact that this rather misleading statement now needs to be cleared up. It is my understanding that the Plejarens do not want their photos to be taken because OK yes they would take extra pre-cautions as to not be discovered and worshipped as Gods, but more so in the same way as can be found in the sci-fi Star Trek T.V. shows, where the characters have like a "Prime Directive" to not cause an unnecessary cultural influence in a less developed civilization within their evolutionary progress. Therefore such ET like beings would simply want to remain anonymous among the general public here on Earth during a mission of good, peace, etc. THAT is why they don't want their pictures taken, NOT because they are afraid of being cursed by people hear on Earth. Peace in knowing, and peace of mind. James Truthseeker | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 02-2006 |
James the truthseeker: "I'm actually surprised that Dyson at the time even made such a comment giving the fact that he was usually the first person to trumpet the fact that so many others like Randy Winters made similar mistakes and assumptions regarding Billy Meier and the Plejarens. But since Dyson is no longer here I suppose that is no longer even worth the comment, except for the fact that this rather misleading statement now needs to be cleared up." hey james the "thruthseeker" what are you trying to prove OR DO with finding that out, I wonder. Should we also go back through all your prior posts and reveal all that crap statements that you have made, and do it when you no longer post here, and have no chance to say anything? Yes I'm also talking about the crap way you portraid Dyson in that post of yours, by likening what Dyson did that to Winters. Winters knowingly said false things about the Meier material, and Dyson didn't. You failed to mention that in your crap post. There IS a big difference there, and you were wrong in putting them both in the same basket. Your post is a crap post because the way you portaid Dyson in that post clearly suggest the motive behind your post was probably due to some personal reasons you have Dyson then it has to do with truth of the Meier material. You should change that crap forum name of yours because its just that - crap. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 07-2004 |
James, While the desire for the Plejaren to remain anonymous if moving amongst Earth humans was always a serious concern, the actions of humans in the past towards their highly evolved vibratory state make the lessor evolved humans susceptible towards worshipping them. So Dyson's statements are valid. To say Dyson claimed they were afraid of being cursed by people here on Earth is your own fabrication. Your attempt at tossing a dedicated participant in this forum under the bus, is an odd thing indeed. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey Vistri, Thanks for your input and concern. OF COURSE Randy Winters likely said those things purposely and we all know that, but that's not the point here. It's one thing to have a personal opinion about something, but when someone had gone around over time looking for faults in me and a few other people and found them, and then does the same thing themselves in the end, then YES it needs to be addressed so that it does not happen again along with the fact that the person's statement concerning the Plejarens themselves needs to be corrected so that new people reading these posts don't get the wrong misleading Ideas. Believe it or not, I actually was not trying to kick up a dead horse with Dyson again, but rather some new people reading this forum string just happens to read that particular past post and just happens to address it with me, their rightful concerns. Low behold, the poster of that post just happens to be a particular person who once posted it here. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 506 Registered: 06-2000 |
Maybe if the subject were dropped , it would inspire admiration . Mark Campbell | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yes Mark, I agree with you. That is about all there is to say about Dyson anyway and I don't wish to discuss him any further. Besides this was originally intended to bring clarification to the content of the post itself then it was of Dyson. Therefore, I would still like to make a concerned clarification of the post itself on behalf of Asket, Nera and the Plejarens, and even friends, so that new people can at least get the right understanding of the situation. To Kingman: The Statement (...and that evidently sends dangerous vibes in the direction of the subject of the photograph. Asket and Nera live in the DAL universe, where these bad vibes can't reach, so there was no danger to them.) is hardly what I would call a fabrication from me. I've already given my explanation as to why the Plejarens would not want their photos to be taken so I hardly suspect that they were ever worried about A DANGER to them, nor that it was ever being THEE over all reason as to why they would want to live or stay in the DAL universe. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 03-2003 |
Now just to finish up concerning the idea of people who may tend to worship others or Plejaren ETs as Gods or saints or gurus. I've personally witnessed such events take place with a woman I once knew at Mount Shasta who eventually ended up with quite a cult following of her own from Germany. Unfortunately because of it she eventually grew distant from people, myself included. Point being, it did not curse or danger her to have so many idolize her by this means, but it eventually forced her to meet the expectations of her followers by acting like a saint and guru. So if the Plejarens where to reveal themselves to people on Earth then I could see how some people could form religious cult followings around them. Let it be clear that their is a big difference between worshipping a person as apposed to simply recognizing someones greatness. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi James, There are two reasons the Plejarans do not allow pictures to be taken of them, which can be found In contact 155 (Block 4 page 333)In short, this is as i understand it: 1.Semjase told Billy that she does not allow her photo to be taken because she from time to time mingle amongst Earth people and must therefore not be recognized. 2.Through photos a lot of harm and mischief can be done when people with nasty thoughts concentrate negatively on, and on photographs of, other people. So negatively orientated Earth humans can severly and viciously affect and cause the Plejarans harm and evil if they could get hold of photos of them. With Asket and Nera , it’s different. This does not pose as a problem for them, since they both live in the DAL universe and no forces of any kind are able to penetrate the universe barrier between DERN and DAL., so nothing can reach them from Earth. Drawings, on the other hand , are harmless. Regards Kaare | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2007 |
Yes, but you told us that the pictures of Nera and Asket are 2 artists of the 70s. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 261 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Kaare, I see what you're saying and I've heard this before. I believe from that same particular contact #155, but if I understand it more correctly, Semjase was more or less referring to BOTH dangers which could happen to them if they and she were still here on Earth on mission and without the protection of their aura belts while here. In space, however it is different, since I also remember somewhere in Billy's writings in regards to 2 kinds of telepathy, in which if Earth human beings were to send out their thoughts toward a person or creature, these thoughts can not surpass the aura sphere of the Earth, because Earth human beings have not as of yet learnt to recognize and interpret the underlying symbology found within their incoming thoughts during a concentrated meditation, nor do they have the know how as to using it to there advantage. Of course there is also that universal law of creation which does not allow a life form to contact, nor influence an existing life form found within a much higher state of evolution to itself. Let's not forget, Asket and Nera were living in the DAL universe long before Billy even asked if he could take pictures of them. To Incredible, The pictures of Nera and Asket are someones attempt to double expose and merged together the real photos with that of 2 artists from the early 70s. This could only mean that either way the photos will never be the exact of all 4 individuals. Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi James, In your Post 261 above, it sounds like you are trying to clarify what Semjase originally said and not Dyson's reiteration. It would be helpful if you provided quotes/excerpts to support your interpretation. Regards Bob | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 10-2005 |
Since the Plejarens are so advanced we will automatically become attracted to thier intelligence. It is the idea they want us to adopt, not them. Like it's not the book that's important but the content. The correct content. Otherwise we may follow the same path as those who followed Jmmanuel took. At look where that led them... | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi James, Contact 155, in which the two reasons mentioned for why the Plejarans do not allow photos of themselves to be taken or published, was dated 6 Dec 1981 and was between Billy and Quetzal. And over the 7 year period since Billy first met Semjase on 28 Jan 1975, Billy up to this point was only given the one, or first, reason which Semjase originally gave to him. So Billy says he suspect there must be another reason for this, and he then turns to Quetzal and asks if there is, and that is when Quetzal reveal the second reason for why they do not allow pictures of themselves to be taken or published. The clue for how far out this harmful force can reach, is given when Quetzal explain the reason why Asket and Nera gave Billy the OK to take Photo of them. Which was because they live in another universe (DAL), and the force can not cross the universe barrer from our universe (DERN) into theirs (DAL). But in other words the force can cover the whole of our DERN universe , since it can reach the universe barrier of our universe. Regards Kaare | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 03-2003 |
OK Kaare, Now you may finally have got me somewhat stumbled there. I don't remember that portion of that particular contact of what your actually saying, but since these things tend to be rather updated again from time to time, I'll just have to go re-check this out fully for myself since it tends to contradict a bit with some other stuff I've read previously. That's a real first for me and if what your saying is true, then perhaps you can fill us all in as to just how this harmful force is harmful and why they just don't use their tech to protect themselves. Does this mean that for every Earth human being who lives on planet Earth who has ever had their pictures or video taken, "myself included", does that mean we are now all in danger for having done so??? I can see how all thoughts can naturally travel out into the universe from Earth, but I just can't see as of yet how human thoughts can penetrate even further into the Plejaren dimension of space. Let's not forget, Asket more recently came back to visit here with Billy on his birthday sometime I believe within the last 3 or so years. About all I can remember about it so far is Billy making mention that it would be impossible for people to telepathically be in contact with Semjase, because for the most part, she lives now in the Dal universe. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2007 |
I can't believe that the earth human can damage a more evolved life form with the "telepathy" at distance. The earth human have not telepathy, we are rickety in that thing. We don't have normal telepathy, and much less spiritual telepathy. | ||
Gicayhwh Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 06-2003 |
Hi James, I really believe that human telepathy reaches the entire Creation, without our knowing. By being aware of our toughts, we can send out love. The rest will follow. Like a visit from our beloved Semjase. Just think about. With love, Gicayhwh | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 797 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Kaare and All.... Nice to hear from you once again, Kaare! Always enjoy reading your postings. To come back to the pictures: I take it that, that 'Negative Forces' being concentrated on a picture would be in the sense (as we know today) of a sort of - Back Magic -. Will not go into the details, but 'Cursing' someone via a picture DOES truly exist! And this Cursing, can be DEADLY! So, I think this is the mentioned process(ing) that Quetzal is referring to.(?) Billy did mentioned that, just as CREATION, being a (Neutral) Balanced entity, and all the forces within, if you will, are likewise. But seeing, that the human being is in his evolution processing, it can at times be so, that he/she becomes 'Unbalanced' and thus, if he/she has the knowledge, will utilize his/her Creational Forces...in a most Negative and destructive manner: through what is called 'Black Magic', or others related! Being Jndjsch myself, and having Indonesian background, the above mentioned is very very familiar and TRUE, and is proven to exist. So, that rang a bell; when I read in the past what Billy had to say, of how One can utilize their natural given Forces(Positive or Negative, in this case Negative), and that it can be bundled into a very very Negative Deadly 'Death Force'. And thus, such Negative Force(s) processing would indeed have Effect on the Plejarans's picture images...which, some way or another...projects the Curse(ing)...right back to the Plajarans, individuals. And we must indeed - Take HEED to this! And so, I would acknowledge: the Plejarans took very good Precautions. Edward. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Kaare, Nice to meet you. Thank you for clarifying another reason why photos of the DERN-based Plejarens are not available. Was looking through my notes, there is no reference for Contact 155. So thank you for that as well. Would love to find all the Contact notes. Am still very much a beginner in absorbing this tremendous mass of knowledge passed on from these advanced fellow human beings. Getting through the very old German dialect is a chore as well. Sometimes only one page a day. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi James and all, As you are aware, but just to repeat it for the others here that might not know, the Wendelle Stevens contact notes translated to English, ends in “Message from the Pleiades volume 4” at contact 104 dated 18 March 1978. So the contacts after that are in only published in German, except for the odd one like contact 251 etc that has been specially translated and made available in English. Since we are discussing information from contact 155 dated 6 Dec 1981, consequently this information can be only be found in the German contact notes named Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte Block 4. These contact notes are an updated and error corrected version, of the original German contact notes named Semjase Berichte.(the new release started sometime after year 2000 and a few months ago block 9 was released – each block is about 500 A4 pages). So when I say updated it means for instance that the new series has contacts that Billy at the time was not able to publish in the original Semjase Berichte series , due to sensitive issues, such as prophesies and predictions which at that time had not yet been fulfilled. But later, in the new series, could be inserted without doing any harm. Also with updated I mean that the Plejarans at certain unclear points have added their comments (which they put separate underneath in italic writing). With corrected I mean they have been proofread for errors by a member of the Plejaran group(like for instance Ptaah)and also by Billy. Which is why the information from the new German contact notes should be used when it is possible. Since this has become a discussion issue, and to make sure that important details are not left out, I have decided to post the complete text pertaining to our discussion from contact 155 block 4 page 333 below, with my unofficial translation underneath: Billy: Koennen wir jetzt aber von etwas anderem reden! Semjase sagte mir einmal, dass ich sie deshalb nicht photographieren duerfe, weil sie sich hie und da auf der Erde unter Menchen bewege und nicht erkannt werden duerfe. Das koennen aber nicht alle Gruende sein, denn diese eine Erklaerung erscheint mir etwas fadenscheinig. Billy: Can we now talk about something else! Semjase told me once, that I was not allowed to take photo of her, for the reason, because she from time to time move between humans on Earth and must not be recognized. That can however not be all the reasons, because this explanation appears somewhat specious. Quetzal 121. Dir etwas unvollstaendig zu erklaeren ist so gut wie unmoeglich: Quetzal 121. To explain to you something that is incomplete (only partial) is nearly impossible: 122. Ja, es gibt noch einen anderen Grund, und der fusst darin, dass durch Photos sehr viel Schaden und Unheil angerichtet werden kann, wenn sich Menschen mit ueblen Gedanken negativ auf andere und auf Photos abgebildete Menschen konzentrieren. 122. Yes, there is another reason, which is based on that through photos, a great deal of harm and mischief can be done when people with nasty thoughts concentrate negatively on, and on photos of, other people. 123. Negativ ausgerichtete Erdenmenschen koennten uns so schwer und boesartig beeinflussen und uns Schaden und Uebel zufuegen, wenn sie photographische Abbilder von uns behaendigen koennten. 123. Negatively orientated Earth humans could thus affect us severely and viciously and cause us harm and evil if they could get hold of photos of us. 124. Das ist der zweite und wichtigste Grund, warum wir uns nicht photographisch ablichten lassen duerfen. 124. That is the second and most important reason why we do not allow ourselves to be photographed 125. Bei Asket und Nera durften wir es auch nur darum gestatten, weil beide im DAL-Universum leben und von der Erde aus dort nicht in der genannten Art und Weise in ihrem Leben beeintraechtigt werden koennen, weil keinerlei Kraefte irgendwelcher Art durch Universumsbarrieren hindurchdringen koennen. 125. With Asket and Nera did we therfore only allow it because both live in the DAL-universe and from the Earth over there can not be able to affect their lives in the mentioned way , because no forces, whatsoever, of any type, can penetrate through the universe barrier 126. Zeichnerische Darstellungen hingegen sind harmlos. 126. Drawings, on the other hand , are harmless. Billy: Danke fuer die Auskunft, die mir nur das bestaetigt, was ich mir selbst schon zusammengereimt hatte. Doch nun noch eine andere Frage,... Billy: Thank you for the information, which only confirm, what I myself already have figured out. Now, however, another question, ..(and the discussion with Quetzal continues about something else.) And just to make a few comments to the above. The second reason that Quetzal mention is the most important reason But this is also the reason that naturally is hardest to understand for most (me included), as it involves the fine matter world where our science so far have not gained much understanding for how things work. So this reason would be hard to swallow for many. Billy and the Plejarans, to make it easy for themselves, could simply only have had to disclosed the first reason that Semjase gave, that photos could risk her to be recognized when moving between humans on Earth. This reason is easy to accept, for everybody, as it is logical and comparable to security steps taken by people working, for instance, in the secret service organizations here on Earth. But they did not, they also disclosed the second reason, which I think is something to notice. Knowns and unknowns: What I understand from the above is that the negative force can reach to the end of our DERN universe. And can think of the following questions, which some similar to yours , for which I unfortunately have no answers either, but there may be people here on the board that can answer them, as it might be disclosed somewhere else in Billy’s material or perhaps there has been a Q+A to Billy about this subject in the past that anybody can remember? 1. can this negative force, if emitted from Earth, without hinderance penetrate into other dimensions, so long as these dimentions are within the boundary of our universe, like to the Plejaran dimension (or space/time configuration as I think it is also called), to planet Erra where the Plejarans live? (I would assume from the above that it does) 2. What type of force is actually this negative force here being talked about. Is it, or can it be, compared to a telepathic communication signal, be it primaray telepathy or spirtit telepathy. If it is a separate force, does it still behave the same way as a spirit telepathy, meaning it almost instantly reach the end of the universe ? (Quetzal, above, mentioning forces of any type not able to penetrate the universe barrier – indicating that there are several types of forces) 3. Who can create this negative force. Can for instance an Earth human that do not yet master primary or spirit telepathy have the ability to initiate this force? Or must the person reach a certain higher spiritual level? 4. The above states that this risk is not specific to the Plejarans, but to humans in general. But could it be that the Plejarans face higher risk of harm from such a negative force, since they are higher evolved and more sensitive to forces (telepathic)? (Keeping in mind that they have also have to protect themselves with a force shield when move between us Earth humans, as the waves we radiate are harmful to them) As to Asket visiting Billy, I do not think that this is a high risk. As most of the time she would be in the protective environment of her space ship, assuming that this negative force can not penetrate the space ship. The Plejarans, on the other hand, would be at risk when they are on their home planet. Regards Kaare | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Kaare, Thanks for your posting, reference and also your thoughts on the matter. By the way, you probably forgot that in "Messages from the Pleiades volume 2" there was also an added a 115 contact and that much of the later contacts were later published in FIGU booklets, including I believe that of 155, however I do not remember reading this portion which you've posted, so that is new to me and I see we share the same questions for which it would probably be worth while to ask Billy himself. I can understand fully how negative thoughts towards people, can be harmful if given serious concentration and in fact this info is not new to me, as is also known the same practise, like which can also be used in a kind of concentrated remote viewing, can also be used for quite the opposite with intentions of good. I actually know of concentration meditation prayer techniques which can be of good use to assist ourselves, loved ones and friends. So by the sounds of it then, it's not that they are worried about people placing curses on them by people concentrating on their pictures, but rather they are not going to risk negative thoughts coming there way, via their pictures, from people who may not be of the best intentions. To Edward, It has also always being my understanding that people who intend harm by means of using black magic on others, will always get the same effects coming back in on them double or triple their ill intentions. Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Kaare too many questions but i will try to help. The negative force the plejaren are talking about is them being enthroned to the category of Gods, superior beings, veneration, adoration, reverence.... On the other hand they could be cursed, demonized, blamed...Of course the plejaren want to avoid this.They do not want to be the starters of a new sect or a new religion. Material thoughts have a range of 3 light seconds, and spiritual communications have a range of 10^7000 light years.I don't know if there's something in between the two. Its only the persons in question, Quetzal, Ptaah, Semjase, Asket, the ones who are in danger.They are actively participating in the mission, they have strong links to the happenings on earth and they monitor the development of this planet, via telemeter discs.If they realized their pics were used like Jeesas' pics, for idolization, veneration or adoration, that would hurt. It's like if somebody uses your pic for prostitution or porn purposes.It really hurts, creates negative vibrations, which at the plejaren spiritual level (logical decisions, obedience to creational laws) are absolutely harmful. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thanks to Hector and Kaare for your input on this aspect of the Plejarens not allowing photographs and on contact report 155. Am just reading it for ithe first time thanks to you. Also Kaare... thanks for translating that text, I translated it also before reading down your article with a slight variation on line 122, but the meaning was very close yet more revealing. Was that intentional on your part? Am only on Block 1 of the Plejaren Contact reports so am way behind you in knowledge. Read Two or three of Wendells' books but wanted to translate all nine of the hard bound contact books available (that I could afford) for myself as to not get an incorrect impression and responsibly draw my own conclusions. Kaare, again, am greatful for the EXACT reference of this idea... it is greatly appreciated and many will benefit from your exactness. Am asked that question more than once and a concrete reference backing this is very helpful. It also taught me how to use the indexes of the Semjase contact books to find exact contact numbers. Apparently our primitive thoughts react and cause disharmony with the more spiritually advanced Plejaren thought patterns. Just like when we reside in close proximity with people of lesser moral integrity or mental cognitive ability and tend to be drawn down to their lower spiritual level by communicating with them on their terms... not consciously aware we may be doing so. Since it involves tremendous risk on Semjase's part: to come here to Earth, she in fact, as I'm sure you know... had a near fatal accident when she fell and hit her head on the wash basin. So her rules and precautions were most prudent and obviously necessary. It is the little facts like these (negative thought energies)that create the cognition of real truth and genuine existence of these people who we, up to now... have only been able to view allegedly and speculatively. Still probably not provable in court... an Earth based court, anyway... but a little more tangible evidence to the positive affirmation of this case being a reality. As to telepathic distances, three light seconds is quite a substantial distance... about 600,000 miles. So spiritual thoughts radiate large fields of energy and it is important to think correctly which is... neutral positive. Keep our thoughts consistent and in-line with creative forces and less with the self serving materialistic viewpoints and perspectives. Thanks again... | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi James, Yes you are correct, Stevens also published contact 115, and there has been a few contacts after that published in English in booklets, etc as well. And just a small correction to my post above, I looked on the wrong page, as the last contact in Message from the Pleiades volume 4 is actually 106th contact dated 10 April 1978. (and not 104th contact as I wrote above). And yes, it would be a good idea to ask a question to Billy about this topic in the Q&A section later on. Regards Kaare | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Hector, Thanks for filling us in with your thoughts and knowledge about this matter. And I agree with you that it is the names you listed, those involved in the mission on Earth, that could be in danger from this. Regards Kaare | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Edward Nice to meet you again too. Yes I think the Plejarans were correct to take the precautions, not to let photos of themselves being taken. , or in the case of Menara for instance, the federation member with the laser gun, where she only permitted half of her face to be visible on the photo, so that she could not be fully identified. I have no doubt that they know a lot more about how this type of forces works, than what we are currently aware of. Regards Kaare | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 03-2007 |
Kaare, do not be surprised if Billy is not forthcoming with all he knows about this. Here’s what I mean: In 1948, a US Navy reconnaissance plane flew over the Cumberland Valley in Pennsylvania and took pictures of crops plagued by insects. These pictures taken at a high altitude were then taken to the Homeotronic Naval Laboratory in Newport, Pennsylvania. They were studied, then put in a black box with some insecticide and given to a farmer whose crops had been photographed. The farmer was told to leave the photos in the box all the time and every day at a certain time turn the dial on the black box. Two days later, every single insect in the orchard had been destroyed by the combined energy of what was in the black box, the picture and the insecticide. The box was a radionic machine and that particular type was invented by T. Galen Hieronymus, US Patent #2,482,773 issued in 1948. If you do an internet search with his name, you will find some pretty amazing stuff. The principle is based on “psionic energy” or scalar waves. The process “allegedly” can be used for healing, also. I will move that part of the discussion to: Planet Earth>>The Human Body>>Health Conspiracies Regards Bob | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 261 Registered: 07-2004 |
Bob, That's a pretty amazing black box. I've never come across such a claim, especially from the US Navy. While Billy, or the Plejaren, may not have given the method that creates the unwanted negative energy from being photographed, I don't understand why you relate the two as if they are knowingly similar. I would be surprised if our Navy was even mildly interested in such a method, and in 1948. Is this story available on the Net? a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Randy, It takes time to get through all the notes, and you will probably find that when you eventually finish block 9 (or there could even be a block 10 released by that point in time), that it is time to start over again. And actually I think repetition of the material is quite important also, due to the sheer volume of information available. And the mission is not risk free for Billy (I think he has survived something like 21 assassination attempts by now) and as you pointed out, with the example of the near fatal accident Semjase had in the Center, it is not risk free for the Plejarans either. It’s not easy to get these books translated to English. And especially the parts containing spiritual teaching. And don’t forget that it is only the German text that has been coded by Billy, a code which helps release impulses from the Akashic records which will then hit the reader and start working in him. Otherwise in the translation I did above I tried to use the words I felt was most correct and I did not intentionally change the sentence structure to underline anything. I am glad you found it helpful, and hopefully we will be able come over more information later which will give us better understanding for how it all works. The good thing is that our vibrations will improve once we get some more years of evolution behind us. And in about 800 years time we should become true humans. In the contact notes there is mentioned a race of humans from a planet named HASTER. (The Plejarans helped them build a base deep in the North Sea in 1980.) These humans are on a level 1120 years ahead of us in total evolution (calculated from 1981). They can stay no more than 17 hours in direct range of the vibrations from Earth humans before they would start to lose control over themselves. But to me, it gives a bit of an indication over the progress we can expect, all going well, over the next 1100 years ourselves. The Plejarans however still had to use the same vibration neutralization device when in direct range of these humans from planet Haster, which is same device they use to protect themselves against our vibrations. Regards Kaare | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2007 |
kaare very interesting i had never heard of the HASTER people. but i got a question, in what sea did they build a base in, here on earth or in some other planet /and for what/. and one last thing what happened to semjase at the center, i know she had a major accident and was in a coma but what exactly happened to her does anyone know. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Kaare, Very interesting stuff there. Also I have once an experience in using a radionic machine in an attempt to make contact with UFOs. All it really did was help me keep a better mind focus. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 269 Registered: 03-2003 |
I wonder if these beings from Planet Haster, if they are the same ones who are taking a part in the formation of the crop circles? I wonder if they are the millennium ETs which the Plejarens and Billy talked about? I wonder what interest they have in us Earth human beings now? They sound like a good people. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello The_original_Dave, It’s on planet Earth The North Sea is part of the Atlantic Ocean, located between Norway and Denmark in the east, Scotland and England in the west, and Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and France in the south. The Plejarans became connected with these highly developed inhabitants on Planet HASTER, which is located in a Galaxy 483 Millions light years away from Earth. They were interested in researching life here on Earth, yet with their technology unable to get here. Wherefore the Plejarans arranged for a research team from planet Haster to be brought over here in Ptaah’s mother ship. And furthermore, the Plejarans then helped them with the building of their Earth base, which they located deep in the North Sea, from where they would be able to do their research work all over Earth. As to Semjase and her accident: From what I recall, she did not have her vibration neutralization device activated thinking it was safe, as she did not expect anyone else to be around other than herself and Billy. But a person came outside the door at Billy’s office during her contact meeting with Billy. She could sense the vibrations from this person, as she was unprotected. She then panicked, hit her head at a hard object in the office, at the same time as she pushed the teleport button which instantly brought her back to her ship which was suspended at some height over the Center. Quetzal, who was the Plejaran station manager, went searching for her, as she did not report back to base, and found her unconscious and seriously wounded laying on the floor in her ship. Regards Kaare | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 03-2007 |
Let me draw you a picture, Shawn. :-) Whatever negative energy that is projected towards the Plejarens does not have to travel across the Universe. It only has to travel to the photograph. And there are mechanical ways of amplifying that energy even greater. The Plejarens, who normally are not exposed to Earth's negative vibrations, are much more vulnerable than Billy. Regards Bob | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 285 Registered: 04-2006 |
The haster people experience the same psychological torture here on earth as if you and i would spend one month in a dangerous sect, in companion of a televangelical preacher or some kind of such monsters. We all in that situation begin to lose contact with reality and embrace-accept poisonous thoughts/ideas.In the end everyone gets robotized. Modern societies are ane example of such human robotization/programming. Any link to creation and the creational laws is sistematically broken and replaced by flawed human material thinking.That's what the haster people and the plejaren cannot permit (to de-evolve). | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 270 Registered: 03-2003 |
You know by the look of things, I've known many accounts where even Earth human beings are dangerously influenced or affected by the negative ill energies of Earth. Just go into a city, in a church, or even in a shopping mall for a few hours, and YES you are going to feel the effects. I also know of cases where psychiatric nurses have after a few years developed psychiatric disorders themselves from just being there. So it's not just the Plejarens who have difficulty. Thanks Kaare for sharing that regarding the people from planet Haster. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 803 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Kaare and All..... Kaare: good for you to have mentioned the 800 years. I once read that a Passive Member mentioned 500 years, although...he was not sure; and I estimated about +/- 700 years, so....I was just 100 years off, unless...WE do our best and Billy's materials are absorbed at a bit more exhilarating pace. Concerning the Plejarans and the Vibrations: There was an incident, once....with someone whom was hiding in the brush surrounding of the SSSC, as I can recall. And this individual, was not that convinced of Billy's contacts, but did hide...and observe, to see what he can/may encounter. Billy, did say, as I read once, that the man was indeed influenced by the ET being's Vibrations(being higher), which than, made the man in no time go out of his mind, and eventually....the poor man committed suicide. But, I think it was a combination of things which made the man loose his mind. Not only the ET Vibrations, but also...the appearance of the ET itself(which I once read, also..was the cause): it was some sort of 2 or 3 meters being(taking measures for Billy's safety). And it did not look very human-like. Thus, a combination of the appearance and the ET's Vibrations played part. So, when I read these materials, I came to conclusion, that the 'reverse' can even take place. Edward. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greeitngs Edward, A few years ago it was mentioned in Billy's "Predictions of the Prophets of Jeremia and Elia" that 800 years was going to be the time it will take before Billy and the Plejaren's mission will take on its full effect. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2003 |
With reference to my previous post, I like to point out a few more details regarding Semjase’s accident in Billy’s office at the Center to better explain the reason why it happened as I understand it. Her accident came about as a result of a person unexpectedly appearing on the outside of Billys office door, Once Semjase became aware of this person , she stood up, and her foot got caught in a table leg. She then fell over a electro oven. But as she leaped forward (as she fell) she hit her head towards the wall. When she fell, she managed to push the button that activated her teleport transmitter. Billy could hear a weak cry as she landed and then she was immediately gone. (to her ship floating high over the Center). However, the key to understand why this became such a serious accident, lies in the person that approached towards Billy’s office door. Semjase had no protection device activated, which would shield her from the negative vibrations that Earth humans radiate, since she was sitting with Billy in his office and expecting no one else to be around. So the waves from this person outside of the door then hit her. This created in her a condition of fear and loss of control, which then drove her to undertake an uncontrolled action. And I would furthermore think that the loss of control then lead to further severe implications as her uncontrolled action unfolded, such as when she leaped forward and fell, she might have lost control over her arms to reach out and protect her head from hitting the wall. Regards Kaare | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 07-2004 |
Phi, I understand the concept. It's the idea of our US Navy being of this knowledge in the 40's. That to me is a very interesting bit of uncommon info, if true. I would be excited to know that it was true. My personal doubt is engaged, but not entirely in control. The negative-based energy that adversely effects the Plejaren, I conclude, is that same type of energy I feel when I enter large well established churches, as well as being in front of a person with a strong false belief system that constantly projects these forces. When near I am at an unease. Obviously we here on the Earth are all close enough in our spiritual evolution so these forces aren't strong enough to completely upturn ourselves in normal circumstances. Spiritually weaker individuals would become easily influenced by persons with strong belief systems( cult members as an example ). The distant past relatives of the Plejaren who commandeered our past societies would of had easy access to this weakened aspect of our ancestors, as we've been told by the Plejaren. Our best current large scale example( in the US ) would be the Religious Right movement that helps enable the Bush administration. Well I read several different internet sites with info on radionics, as the inventor of the black box eventually named it. I sensed a balance between the believers and the skeptics. His original experiment was simple enough thus leaving a door open for a long time for others to prove his theory correct. I'm open to anymore input on this idea, because I think there are elements in it that need amplification( no pun intended ). a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello James and Edward, Another thing is that 800 years sounds at first a long time, but when you think over it, if you separate the time spent in the beyond, from time the time living a life, it becomes shorter (the actual years living a life). As I understand it a person that dies at 80 years of age would then spend the factor of 1.52 of the living years in the beyond meaning 1.52 x 80 gives about 120 years in the beyond. So a full circle of incarnation time plus time in the beyond gives about 200 years. So a 800 year period gives 4 lifetimes if each life was to be 80 years long. Because of over population the 1.52 factor has been reduced. So I think 4-5 life times would be a more correct general estimate for a 800 year period. Regards Kaare | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Kaare Maybe for your calculations, you may also like to take into account the likely and predicted understanding of 'ageing' which our earth scientists are apparently very close to working out. So, if they do in the next 100 yrs eg., then people may begin to live even longer say, 120-150 may become the norm. This will considerably reduce the number of reincarnations before reaching the 800yr mark so it could end up being reduced to 2 or 3 incarnations. in peace Robjna | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Robjna, That is a good point you mentioned. Should our lifespan increase within this 800 years time frame, that could well reduce the amount of incarnations to what you suggested as the calculation would then change. And yes, there have been positive discoveries in this area over the last years. And I remember it is also mentioned somewhere in contact 251, that at some point in the future we will live longer lives as new scientific discoveries will take place. Regards Kaare | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 805 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi James, Kaare amd Indi.... James: I see! It will take - Full Effect - at 800 years. Well, that does make it acceptable, at 700 years(or less), for "Acceptance" at a much Global Format, I would say. Thus, at this time-frame, The Teachings and all related...is in the working; and of course, Full Comprehension or Full Effect, as you mentioned, would be within the 800 years time-frame. Sounds, very reasonable. But, I think, it can still be 'accelerated', so to speak...within the 700 years(or less); depending on how much we have already 'Altered'. Meaning: The more we Alter the negative events into the positive: Altering Prophecies into Non-Fulfilling events, which than brings More Understanding to MAN, and if we keep up this pace: in no time we have thus Adjusted the Time-Frame...to our advantage, thus, shortening the Time-Frame. Thus, it can still, be within the mentioned 800 years. Kaare: I am familiar with the factor of 1.52 and the results. Thank you for making the calculations. I had about the same idea. Was also thinking of this(the last week or so), and so it is positive for you to have made an estimate calculation of it. Indi, does bring up a good point, though. But, if this is the case, the - 'ageing' Gene -, must at least be altered within 100-200 years? As the Plejarans did say, that Man will discover it and modify it(I did gather, from a science program: that the 'Againg Gene' has already been detected/discovered!). Even thought, I think not to it's original format to 1000 years(old), but...altering it...to be acceptable, as Indi mentioned; this age, is just the first steps to the alterations, and I would think that as times goes by...greater achievements will come about...until we reach the original 1000 years old format, once again. Edward. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 05-2007 |
Edward,Kaare,and Indi as edward mentioned the ageing gene has been discovered by scientists /don't remember there names/. so after doing tests and research they concluded that in a few years the ageing process will be slowed down a bit and the life expectance will be 120 years of age. i think this is a huge advancement for us earth humans. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 03-2004 |
Maybe this was mentioned and I missed it, but according to the Plejarens and BEAM, the 1.52 times physical lifetime number for our stay on the other side is no longer valid due to overpopulation which continually gets worse. We are now, as a general rule, coming back sooner than we should. You might consider that as well since higher population increases will likely further shorten our stay in the "beyond" as some call it... | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 806 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Thomas.... Yes very true. That information is familiar, to me. But, as I understood it, it concerned in general the "average" incarnating Spirit-form(s). And thus, it is not valid for all Spirit-forms. I would think that the Evolution Level of such Spirit-form plays part here; the Lower/Younger Spirit-forms having a much more 'Priority', if you will, to reincarnate Quicker, than the Elderly Higher Evolved Spirit-forms. Keep in mind, that the (Evolution Progression/Intelligence) Levels, DO.... differ; even though, they/we mingle on Earth in the Material Life/World, together. But when it comes to the Beyond: here is when/where 'Differences/Exceptions'...can be made. As I gathered: that Creation will also lend a hand to make this process come about...to assist these much younger Spirit-forms, even. It is these Younger Spirit-forms that have to reach the Appropriate Evolution (Progress-ion) level...which plays part, here; whereas, the much Elderly Higher Evolved Spirit-forms, do to their already Higher Progress(ion) Intelligence: In Being, may stay in the Beyond much longer, or just what is applied in the calculations(but in a much 'Broader' sense), if there is no other alternative. Billy, did mention once, that it depends on the Spirit-form: itself. Which depends on HOW long he/she may have lived, with the combination, of what he/she had done, in life; and the Spirit-forms Level, in addition...of course. Thus, I would agree with the mentioned above, and which sounds more Sound and Logical, also; and in it's place. But, in general, I would agree that WE, or better said: Those Younger Spirit- forms, DO reincarnate Directly/Quicker...even within a couple of days, or within a week, as I read and understood it. We must not forget: that there are MORE Billions of Spirit-forms in the Beyond (forgot the number, and Creation ceased to generate new Spirit-forms any further, as result!), than there is human beings, here on Earth! So, there is a number of Spirit-forms(majority) that, would indeed, have a Priority concerning the "Acceleration Pace", if you will, for reincarnating, sooner. And thus, ALL....the above mentioned, must be taken into account, without doubt. Edward. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 03-2004 |
Creation never "lends a hand" as you said according to what BEAM has written. It merely has set down its rules/laws at the beginning and those laws remain in action automatically. Creation only supplies the energy, etc. to maintain the existence of its creations (like humans, matter, etc.) while it continually gathers in evolution as spirits at the Petale level merge their experiences into Creation itself. Ideas like the one you have mentioned about active intervention by Creation are possibly one of the starting points for misunderstandings that lead to people thinking that Creation is actively involved in our lives. It is not. Creation is the support and foundation for our lives, but it never intervenes in any way according to Mr Meier. Obviously I don't speak from personal knowledge, but only from the things I have read. | ||
Konsit New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2007 |
} Hi I was just wondering if someone from FIGU could help me out with a few questions  . First off Kia Ora from New Zealand! Kia Ora means hello in Maori, which is the indigenous langauge of New Zealand, and the Maori themselves were/are the indeginous people of this land. In some of the Meier contacts, I think it is Ptaah that states that, Beings from Sirius landed in Africa and spread out to Australia and New Zealand. I had a theory, please please correct me if there is something in the Meier contacts that proves me otherwise. Well, the Maori are a culture that revolve almost there whole lifestyle around the Pleiades star constellation, when it is fully visable in a our skies at around June, that is the start of the Maori New Year and a time to plant or harvest crops I can't quite remember. The Maori were really known to be intact with nature and were very VERY spiritual, they navigated using the stars. Now I had a theory, if you are somewhat familiar with the Maori, you can see that they aren't as dark skinned as the aborigines, and never were, until they settled for a while in New Zealand/Aotearoa, I thought that maybe Pleiadians themselves had a big part to play in the Evolution of maori so to speak, and maybe even bred "half gods" into our culture, because there is alot of storys regarding "Man from the Sky" or "The Man who Decended from the Heavens" you know, alot of spiritual things to do with the skies/ heavens. So I wanted to know if there is anything regarding the Maori in the Meier Contacts, or if Billy himself knows information regarding the maori that he may have received from the Plejaren. My second question is... Do the Plejaren know about the Reptilians? and if so could you give all us here the big story on these Malevolent E.t's. Also I think it would be very delightful if you could possibly offload information that you know surrounding the Billy Meier case regarding other E.T's benevolent and malevolent and where they are, come from, their names etc. :D Thank you so much for reading my post, also reply by email would be appreciated thank you!!. Special SPECIAL thanks to FIGU, Billy, Semjase, Ptaah, Quetzal, Sfath, Asket, Nera, Pleya (...yes?), and so forth! thanks! hahaha From Vinnie... 14 year old from New Zealand :D. 15 in 7 days yuss! Vinnie, There seems to be a problem on your application, I have sent you an e-mail regarding this. I sent it to the e-mail address you provided. Scott-Forum Moderator | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2007 |
Meier explained "reptilians" shifting into humans and david icke's theories are only imaginary. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Vinnie the evil Reptilians are nothing more than fantasies and lies, Billy has also said that: "Of course there exist reptilian-like beings in the Universe. However, they are not here on Earth." we should worry much more about our fellow human beings than of ET races, i assure that it is like 1 million times more probable that someone from your neighbourhood can cause you any harm than a ET being doing something remotely similar. . . through Billy´s writings we have learned that for many years two groups of evil minded Et´s (small groups) were here on Earth, but since some time they no longer can harm us .................. and regarding the Maori, i dont remember reading anything about them, but i can tell you that the Pleiades are important for many cultures all around the world, also in many other places there are legends about beings from the stars, gods, etc. Ets may have had an influence in many cultures, but i also think that we earthlings sometimes just search for fantastic (irreal) stuff and tend to exaggerate certain things take care greetings from México! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1239 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Vinnie, I sent an e-mail to the address you provided, but it was not accepted. Perhaps your profile needs updating? Scott-FIGU Moderator | ||
Likeaflower New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hello Vinnie, Many races from different parts of the universe have settled on the Earth throughout the ages for various reasons. This is part of Earth's ancient history. You may find more information about it in Contact 251. Salome | ||
Likeaflower New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2007 |
PS to my post above: You will also find information in the contact reports Billy had with Asket (Volume 1 of the Plejadisch-plejarische Kontakberichte, Gespräche, Block 1) | ||
Konsit New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hey guys! Thanks for the replies haha. Sorry I haven't had time to reply, it was my birthday on the 8th and you could imagine what would derive from that. Now, Scott, did you email talmud_jmmanuel@hotmail.com? thanks. Also... could someone please explain why the government are like they are? Are they being manipulated by malevolent et's that are far more technologically advanced than us? or threatened even. Also, where would one go about finding newer pictures and movies concerning the Billy Meier case. Aand (hehe sorry about all the demands I'm just knowledgethirsty haha) does Billy know about many different extraterrestrial species and races? and their origins? If so, do you have hold of this information and is it allowed to be distributed to those who are curious? via email possibly?. Thank you. Heres a quick little story for those who might have experienced something similar or some figu staff who may know a little thing or two. When I was young, probably about 6 or 7, (I'm 15 at the moment) I was at my aunty's house with my dad, we were dropping off a T'V and media system shelf system or something like that, and I was around the back of her house by myself (I can't recall why). But I was looking somewhere near the corner of the house that was facing me, and I remember hearing a "hello" but it was very breathy and high toned, didn't sound like a male or a female, it sounded as though the sound came from within my left ear, and I turned slightly and in my peripheral vision I saw what looked like a blue human, maybe standing at 6 feet, it skin was blue, its hair was blue or somewhat similar, it could have even been an extention of its head who knows, but its arms were tucked in to its side and kind of arched outwards to its front... ummm like a bunny rabbit kind of. I didn't know if it was wearing clothes or not cause I didn't look directly at it, it was standing right next to a tree. But yeah I looked at it for about 1 and a half seconds and ran, I can't remember whether I screamed or not, but I remember running up to my aunty, pale as a piece or paper and panting like I had half a lung. It was one of the most horrific and terrifying things I ever experienced and I've been frightened of that ever since. So yeah if anyone has knowledge on that or has experienced something similar please let me know. Also don't forget to address my questions prior to the story hehe. Thank you too all who replied to my post. Best wishes. Vincent | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey konsit, i think i can answere your questions. first the goverments of the world are the way they are because they don't give a damn about the people there supposed to look out for. the only thing they want is money and power. and no there not influenced by bad et's ANYMORE. yes i said anymore because some et's were actually manipulating some people in office, for example the GIZA INTELLINGENCES WERE INFLUENCING HILTER TELEPATHICALLY!!!!!!!!!! AND HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT!!!!!!!. So know your probably wondering why they wanted to do that, it's simple the GIZA'S wanted to take over earth and they thought they could do it through hitler!!!!. but don't worry the plejaran have since removed all GIZA'S from earth and taken away all there travel/time travel devices for the good of humanity. and regarding your second question,sadly there will be no more OFFICIAL photo contacts with the plejaran /i don't know why/, but every now and then we get some new photo's which billy and the core memebers have taken while at the center. and yes seeing beamships and et's is fairly common at the center. and about movies, yes there will be one coming out soon michael horn /the official figu representative for the usa/ mentioned that a new documentary will be coming out soon in the summer. so it could be in a matter of weeks. it'll be a documentary of billy and his experiences as well as showing the true creational laws and commandments. /NOT RELIGIOUS IN ANY WAY!!!!/ Plus the dvd will have interviews with billy himself. Ok so that's it i hope that helped. salome dave | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 05-2007 |
Konsit, i forgot to tell you this in my last post a few min ago, tell billy the story you told us maybe he can explain to you what you saw. and it could have been an et since they visit earth very often and are observing us constantly, but it could have also been your over active 6 year old imagination. nonethe less still very interesting. also i'm sighting ufo's on a daily basis, if you go to the ufo sightings section and read my post in there, i have pics of the ufo i've been observing lately. i think it could be a et telemeter disk. | ||
Konsit New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2007 |
the side of it being a "6 year old imagination" buHi guys. Thanks for the replies. For a while I have leaned more towards the side of it being a "6 year old imagination" but then there is also a doubt attacking, that because it scared the living crap out of me, and thats one of the only vivid memories I've had of when I was young, apart from mooning the principal when I was 5 haha. I have one other question, does anybody know what the Plejaren will do... when Billy Eduard Albert Meier passes away?. Also, how would I go about visiting figu? and going to Hintersmidruti? (Please excuse the spelling). My dad is a producer, director and writer and is thinking of making a documentary to distribute here in New Zealand and possibly other places too, we are going to interview Michael Horn. , But I do realise that Billy will not make media presentations now . Salome | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2007 |
konsit actually billy does make media presentations but ONLY for documentaries not interviews. you can visit figu by going to zurich, the direction are on this website. and when billy passes /which i hope will not happen for a long long time/ the plejaran will contiinue there lives and help us out through peace meditation, and with whatever else they can do to help. | ||
Konsit New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2007 |
Oh awesome dude! I'm real sorry about all the question, I'm just knowledge thirsty haha. Also, who are the Andromedans and Acturians (or something like that)? In according to Billy and the Plejaren? | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2007 |
no dude don't say sorry for asking questions, that's a good thing. you must be talking about ADROMEDA. adromeda is a planet inhabitted by highly evolved human beings, they are half spirit form. the plejaran discovered them i think in the early 50's or 70's and since then the plejaran have accepted them as a type of high council/goverment. now it's important to know that on erra a goverment does not make decisions they simply give advice and ideas and the people are free to do what they wish witht the advice. and yes the adromedans are higher in the evolution scale than the plejaran. where did you get the name ACTURIANS from i've never heard of it. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 03-2007 |
andromeda is not a planet, it is a galaxy An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2007 |
oh really my bad. | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2007 |
It is? But I have a space observation program and there is Andromeda in the sky. Sorry I meant Arcturians, this is apparent, I'm still however not sure whether to believe there exsistence. Apparently they are in the 5th demension or density, and have 3 fingers, they have slanted black almond like eyes, something like that, and they are short and live to somewhere like 450 years of age. Anyways if you have any information on them that would be brilliant, also do you know what Billy Meier thinks of James Gilliland?, His stuff seems really convincing, cause apparently people can go and camp at his ranch and the benevolent "E.T's" can arrange a time in which to show themselves, via spacecraft, and flying manouvers etc, and duplicating, splitting and forming back together. Anyways yes, thanks for the answers aye, its much appreciated. Salome Vinny. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 05-2007 |
well you can also see the pleadies in the sky. but there in another dimension, so you can't see them. the same must go on with adromeda, also adromeda here is a group of stars. in space it's an entire galaxy. about the arcturians, sorry but i've never heard of them. but i have heard from billy that there are strange creature like et's out there. so they could exist. and i had never heard of james gilliland untill today, and i do not know what billy thinks of him. but after reading some of his stuff i think he's a fraud. my reasons, 1. no other person on this planet besides billy is having contacts with ANY type of et race. 2.the man beleives in jesus christ, if he were really a contactee they would have showed him otherwise. /unless he is/was in contact with the giza's which i HIGHLY doubt/ so that's it. | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2007 |
Indeed that is so, but do you think that these E.T's would have the technology to block off the Plejaren? Just a thought, also, do you think Billy would consult the Plejaren about how, if James Gilliland is a fraud, how he pulls it off. Watch these videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqWEgi-8AhY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUa-UNHRzMs (Sorry if I am not allowed to post links) Hmmm, how often are Beamships seen outside Figu?. Also where would I go about finding cool pictures of Billy Meier's material etc, the half bunny half chicken thingy, the crystals, Quetzal and his energy thingy haha and so forth. Salome ps: I should have some more questions for you soon haha if that is ok of course. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 272 Registered: 03-2003 |
If you want to know about James Gilliland then I can tell you right now that he is simply a gullible new ager who simply believes a lot of new age junk. There is a good reason why I say this. As for the UFOs around Mt Adams, I've seen these for myself personally back in the spring of 2001 and would have to conclude they look just like those ships seen over area 51. That been said, what I'd like to know is why the black-opp boys are so interested in Mt Adams? I have an idea as to why but have thought of one day asking Billy if he knows. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 03-2003 |
on a further note. To Original Dave; As far as I know, when Billy passes away, the Plejarens will be leaving Earth for good and their mission here will be over. To Vinny Konsit; The blue being you saw as a kid could also be a visitor from Agarta, from here on Earth, or something from the USA secret service. As for the Arcturians, that appears to be a made up fantasy ET group created in the mind of Norma Milanovich to write about in one of her books. Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2007 |
truthseeker, once billy passes away i doubt they will leave earth for good. they were here way before billy and have been helping out with the salome peace meditaion before billy even existed. so i think they'll stay on earth, and help with what they are allowed to help out in. there mission will not end until there is peace on earth. so they they/us have a long way to go. konsit to answere your question about how often ufo's are seen at the center. there seen on a dailly basis, and some peopel have even told stories /that are confirmed by billy/ that they have heard foot steps and they can see the grass sink as if someone was walking there. and billy's explanation to that is that et's have a special invisibility sheild on. also there's other people that say /again confirmed by billy/ that they have even seen pataah and quetzal at the center and the woods. and now about gilliland, i watched the videos posted on youtube and it's very similer to what i've been observing every night. the pics of what i've been observing are on the ufo sightings area. and how he does it, the et's usually hear what people are saying on the ground from the ship. so sometimes they do a little show for the people observing. again many people that have visited the center, have reported stories of some sightings where the ufo would send them signals. as for pictures, there's pictures all over the internet. check out www.theyfly.com / www.billymeier.com / www.gaiaguys.com ect ect..... oh and before i forget is that chicken half bunny picture real and who's is it. maybe you can answere me that truthseeker. salome dave | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 05-2007 |
i just reaserched the chicken/rabbit hybrid and yeah it's a fake. or atleast all the others are. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 193 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Dave, Regarding your point about the peace meditation for your info it only started in 1984. You might want to be more specific with your reference of UFOs at the centre, since in most cases they are IFO either beamships or telemeter disks, and the ones sited on a daily basis are usually lights in the sky. Only in a few cases has the beamships been clearly visible. And the one regarding the footsteps in the grass I am not familiar with it, where did you read it? And from what I know is that less then a handful of people have had experience with the Plejarens I can recall only two cases where they were seen by members of the core group. As I remember you mentioned in an earlier post the it is common that people see ETs at the centre, I would have to correct you on that because it is very very rare that someone gets to see one of the Plejarens. Salome, Badr | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 575 Registered: 10-2000 |
Regarding James Gilliland, a few years ago I met him at an expo in San Francisco. He asked me if I would bring one of his videos of UFOs to Billy for Billy's feedback on it. I brought it with me and gave it to Billy to watch, figuring that it might be weeks, or even months, before I heard back from him. Several days later Billy called me into his office and asked if I wanted to know what Ptaah had to say about the video, as he and Billy had watched the entire thing, either earlier that day or the day before. Naturally, I said of course I'd like to know and Billy put the video on and went through some parts of it wih me, explaining what Ptaah had said. As for the UFOs, Ptaah told Billy that these were NOT extraterrestrial in origin but secret U.S. military fighter craft originally developed at area 51. Then we came to a part in the video where Gilliland raises his shirt to display some sort of burn marks that he claimed were made when an ET hit him with an "energy beam". Billy literally rolled his eye, shrugged his shoulders and said, "Why?" He commented that it was so illogical that an ET would "communicate" this way and that Ptaah had said that the so-called burn marks were actually a manifestation of the burn out of Gilliland's own consciousness. When I returned home I wrote Gilliland and explained about the UFO part. His response was a barrage of attacks and unpleasantness about Meier, me, etc. We exchanged some heated emails, I think I finally shared the rest about the burns with him, and all along I kept insisting that if he had some content (actual information) from his alleged contacts to prove the ET part he should provide it to me. All he ever responded with was more blather about the UFOs and how everyone sees them and that I should come and see them for myself, something that I kept telling him didn't actually interest me. I emphasized that even in the Meier case the real UFOs were far less important than the information. Well, since there are no ETs who can provide Gilliland with any worthwhile information, I never received any from him, just the endless attacks on Meier, the case, FIGU, me, etc. A couple of years after all that, Mark Campbell got some contact blocks from FIGU and ran them through an online translator for some rough translations. Glancing through one for that time period, I found something quite interesting within the hundreds of pages. There, exactly on the date in question, was the actual conversation between Billy and Ptaah pertaining to the Gillliland videotape, with Ptaah telling Billy exactly what Billy had relayed to me. Michael Horn | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 05-2007 |
badr, i'm gonna have to disagree with you there. the peace meditaion was not started in the 80's, the old lyrians and veygans were already practicing it when they arrived on earth. as mentioned in many contact notes which speak of the p's ancestors. /i can't remember what number it was, just look around for some of the oldest ones/ and now about the ufo's, i know there ifo's but i'm use to calling them ufo's. and yes i know not all sightings are clearly visible, most of them just look like moving stars. i read about the foot steps in the grass a few days ago on a link which was on this forum /can't remember the section, when i find it i'll post it/ and on google. they were reports from people who had been at the center. and surprisingly there's been quit a few of those. most of them were in the 70's were many people /including visitors/ claimedto have spotted, pataah and quetzal. walking around at night /maybe waiting for billy or just passing by/. and an interesting thing is that many of those are confirmed to be real by billy/. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1249 Registered: 12-1999 |
The_original-dave, Could you please cite where it is mentioned that the peace meditation was not started in the 80's? According to this article it was initiated in 1984: http://us.figu.org/portal/SpritualTeachings/PeaceMeditation/tabid/94/Default.aspx Scott | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 195 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello again Dave, I could quote FIGUs website but since its German I will quote theyfly.com “In the spring of 1984, FIGU members in Switzerland began meditating with the so-called PEACE MEDITATION.” Where are the sources that there were a lot of people spotting Ptaah and Quetzal and others, I just want to make sure of this information. Because I only heard of two or three cases, so I wish to correct myself if it is true that it happened a lot. Salome, Badr | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2007 |
Thank you for all the posts, this is awesome!. I really want to come to the Figu Center, would we be intruding if me and my father were to show up?. Also I think that Scott means that the peace meditation was initiated by Earth Humans in 1984? This is all really great, and really quick and prompt replies its brilliant. I also have just a little thing that I have discovered that also backs up the Meier Case and Billy's claims. E=mc2 E being energy, m being mass and c being the constant. Energy equals the mass times the speed of light squared. Einstein implied that mass could not travel faster than the speed of light, because of this theory. please correct me if I'm wrong. Now... slipping into quantum mechanics. E=hf E is energy h is the measurement of frequency, a hertz. and f is the constant. This implies that if you pump mass with high frequency waves you make it as light as if not lighter than a photon so it exists past the speed of light, because there are only certain atoms that exists past the speed of light. There for you can push it past the speed of light using a spacecraft propulsion system, and the faster you go, the more you bend time in space so maybe 7 hours goes by in the craft but no time goes on at all outside the craft. Now, so I take it that the Plejaren power up their Beamships and reach the speed of light, then they pump the craft and everything in it, with high frequency waves so they exist past the speed of light and then excel the ship to 100x the speed of light or what have you. Now, they(The Plejaren)claim that a normal human being could not possibly travel with them in a Beamship because there thought patterns are to corrupted and negative or out of place, and they could end up with there arm in a different place or you know something like that. Now in Quantum Physics, they say when you think a certain thing or experience a certain emotion, certain chemicals are released in your brain and flow through your body and plug into different parts of your body. So I find extreme logic in what the Plejaren say because when your at that density and your mass exists as light as a photon everything can be manipulated and controlled via thought (which is also what The Plejaren say) because the chemicals released are dense and can change you(just like a chemical reaction), hence you can disrupt you, and things around you; should you think something wrong or of the sort. That is what I discovered, researched peaced together haha yeah. Also theres this as well, to back up The Meier Case. In a reactor you have the element 115 (UnUnPentium) (isotope: americium 248 nucleus, calcium 46 nucleus (i think, just of the top of my head)) a heat proton is released and it plugs into the nucleus of element 115, element 116 is released through a tune tube so it doesn't react with the matter around it. Where that reaction occurred radiates or pulsates small amounts of anti matter, the matter and anti matter are directed towards the gassius matter target at the end of the reactor, the matter and anti matter collide and totally annihilate turning into electrical energy. Now I hope this was correct because I'm retelling this from memory so if my memory serves me right we have no mis understanding. Now, I thought... that if the Plejaren use anything similar to this, the discharge of electrons from the top of the antenna on the craft, the electrons that surround the ship, cancel the g force so you don't get ripped to shreds inside the ship, and they say that they create there own atmosphere in the ship, this is also logical because of the electrons around the ship, discharged from the antenna and cloaking the ship. Please correct any of this information please. Thank you very much for reading this. Salome Vinny ps: don't forget the questions at the start of my post hehe. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 196 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Vinny, There is a topic dedicated to visiting the centre, check it out you might find some tips… FIGU's Discussion Board » General Area » FIGU Related » Visiting the Semjase Silver Star Center PS: maybe try to split your different questions to the different topics in the forum, instead of talking and asking about different topics in the same post. Salome, Badr | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2007 |
Wow Dave congratulations on visiting the FIGU!!! be glad to hear yah stories! hehe | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 05-2007 |
badr and scott, read what you just posted. it says FIGU members began meditating in the 80's. see the plejaran introduced us to it in the 80's. the et's were doing it long before. and i'll start looking for the contact note were i read it. badr, i'm gonna start looking right now. it may take awhile but i'll find it again. and by the way there weren't many but there were about 5 or 6. and like two of them were of people hearing somebody walking around at night when everybody was sleeping. other people who say they saw a shadow through the window. and when benadette spotted i beleive it was pataah and enjase or was it quetzal visiting billy at night. well anyway like i said i'm gonna start looking for it. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 198 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Dave, I will be waiting for the reference to that the Plejarens were doing the Peace Meditation before it was reintroduced to earth in 1984. Now you are becoming a bit clearer, my point at the start is the it is a very rare case that core group members or others would see the Plejarens or other ETs, I keep on remembering cases with every post but they are still only a few, and to me that is rare keeping in mind that the time span we are talking about is more then 30 years. As I said my point was referring to your statement saying that it is common phenomenon at the centre. But it seems like you have corrected your statement. So don’t bother looking for each incident that an earth human saw an ET with relation to Billy. Salome, Badr | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey Badr, i know you told me to not look for the sighting reports, but while i was looking for the contact note i ran into it agin here they are. http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/index.php there's hundreds and hundreds of reports from people claiming to have seen ships,strange lights,et's ect ect....... when i find the info where it said the lyrians and vegans were doing the meditation long before i'll post it. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 05-2007 |
badr, i was checking to see if my post got added and i read your post once again and noticed you said that the plejaran REINTRODUCED the peace meditation to the earth. how stupid of me i hadn't noticed, cause i just read through it quickly cause i was in a hurry. well anyway you basically proved me right. like you said they reintroduced it to earth. but they never stopped practicing it, the et's have been doing it since the old lyrians and vegans arrived here on earth. /why would they have stopped/ and i beleive billy mentioned in many interviews when asked how was the first ride on the ship with sfath. and he says he tought him how to meditate, but this was probably just so he could tap into the storage banks./this is basically a diffrent subject/ this is on the figu site, and on a few other interviews/ and yes i am still looking for the link of where i read where he says they were doing the meditation before the 80's. /it's somewhere on gaiaguys, but the have so much stuff it's hard to FIND!!!! but like im said i'll post it when i find it./ | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 03-2007 |
With regards to the conversation about reported sightings of the P's at the SSC, it should be kept in mind that, that number is small in comparison to their actual number of visits. Excerpt from Contact 251, Feb. 03, 1995 - Ptaah: <snip> "I pass on these thanks and greetings on behalf of my daughters Semjase and Pleija, and also Asket, Neera, Menara, Isodos, Talida, Quetzal and all the others who know you from photos and our TV broadcasts, or from those people who encountered Core Group and Passive Group members during our visits to the Center, although these individuals rarely or never even noticed that we were nearby." <snip> Regards Bob | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hi I just wanted to know what the names of Plejaren are that contact Billy? Or some of the other e.t's. I know of only these Semjase Ptaah Quetzal Asket Florena Alena Sfath (dead  ) Could you please name the others? And a little bit of information on them? Thanks Vinny | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2007 |
konsit spiral just named a few more. pleija,neera,menara,isodos,talida ect ect... and if you want backround information on them go to www.gaiaguys.com search the billy section. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 199 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Konsit, Below is a link from FIGU website called Contact Statistics that mentions all the persons that Billy had contact with or still has, they are all member of the Federation. http://www.figu.org/ch/ufologie/kontaktberichte/kontakt_statistik In the DVD “Meier Case Update – 2006” which you can find at theyfly.com, Christian Frehner mentions some more details about the extraterrestrials that Billy had met, including some of their professions. Salome, Badr | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Konsit, The last person on the name list Badr mentioned above, Sugam from the Bardan (Coma-Galaxien) who met Billy on 30.7.2006, belong to the same people as the 4387 people who died inside the space ship that exploded over Tunguska, Siberia in 1908. Billy were first told about these people, and the reason behind the Tunguska incident, by Asket when he was onboard her spaceship in the Jordan desert on the 3rd of February 1953. The Bardans joined the Plejaran federation about 80 years ago. See Gaiaguys http://www.gaiaguys.net/Tunguska.htm Regards Kaare | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hello everyone, thank you for your replies! . I have but some more questions to ask. Here in New Zealand, there has been reportings in the Taupo (pronounced Toe Paw) newspapers about UFO's going into the Taupo Lake (Which is the biggest freshwater lake in New Zealand and possibly the southern hemisphere?) and also going into the mountains, Taupo has had a history of UFO sightings, there and Turangi. I just wanted to know off any of the Plejaren have information on this place or if Billy could possibly ask them about this place. Second question is. What kind of recreational stuff do the Plejaren do? What do they have on their planet that is similar to ours? Do they have Music? if so what does it consist of? Instruments like ours? Do they have games that they play? Do they have computers? Computer Games? Are their everyday conveniences similar to ours? Thank you | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 05-2007 |
hey konsit, ask billy that when the questions to billy section is opened for questions again. about the recreational stuff, they probably have music, has billy ever described how there music is. What do they have on their planet that is similar to ours?, what do you mean technologically or evnvirementally. billy mentioned that erra and earth are very similar on a natural level. /except there planets are well taken care of/ they do have computers and internet. i don't know if they have games or computer games. does anyone know. about the everyday convinieces, they probably do. and even better with all there technology. | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hi Dave, Ahh! haha I think it might take a while, and if my Dad starts the Documentary early I might just wait until we can go to the SSSC and I might just ask Billy that question when I see him (amongst the work etc ) (Man I hope they will let us come! haha) I'm not too sure about their music, I really am keen to know what there music is like, haha it would be cool if Billy could get a sample of their music, but hey we will wait and see. I'm just keen to know if their musical instruments are similar to ours and what other recreational stuff they have. On their planet, I meant technologically, and industrial wise? Organizational wise haha, you know what I mean haha. Anyway thank you for your post Dave. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 202 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Vinny, I would suggest reading the book And Yet They Fly... by Guido. Which is one of the few sources in English available to buy from FIGU Shop and theyfly.com It contains a bit of info about the Plejarens. It would answer most of your questions about them. Salome, Badr | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 577 Registered: 10-2000 |
Konsit, Just to be clear, there is a new documentary coming out, as I think that Christian mentioned, and we will be editing the rest of the footage that we have for future DVDs/films once the first one has been thoroughly distributed. That is the footage that Christian mentioned. Michael Horn | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hi Michael, I remember emailing you a while back regarding information to do with New Zealand that the Plejaren have. Just to clarify things my dad is going to be making a UFO documentary covering a lot of Extraterrestrial and UFO information, but the Meier Case was going to be a big part of that documentary. We have already received an email from Dyson and Vivienne from Gaiaguys saying that would be willing to participate in the Documentary, I was going to ask for your permission Michael if we could possibly fly over and interview you some time. The aim for this documentary is to distribute the truth here in New Zealand, and then possibly distribute it over sees. Thank you PS: Michael you advised me to ask my questions on the FIGU forums, and I'm grateful for that advice. Thank you once again. Salome. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2007 |
Konsit, Billy was not permitted to bring back any music from Erra when he visited there because it would be so harmonious and enrapturing that Earthlings would not be able to withstand it for very long. The yearning for this harmonious state would grow to overwhelming proportions. It was explained that there are three musical pieces on earth that are somewhat similar in harmony to the Erran music: Bolero by Maurice Ravel Ride of the Valkyrie by Richard Wagner The Chorus of Prisoners from the opera, Nabucco, by Guiseppe Verdi Their composers use different instruments of course, so the sound will be much different. You won't find any details about their art and literature. Regards Bob | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 203 Registered: 12-2004 |
Please stick to the topic… | ||
Konsit Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hi there does anybody know what the Plejaren think about Credo Mutwa? Thanks you. Also Michael, my father's email address is 6blankets@xtra.co.nz Just thought you might like it, refer to my previous post if you are confused. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Konsit, Thanks for the clarification! Let me know when you plan on coming. Michael Horn | ||
Adityasonakia New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi Well, could anyone give me a full description of the Plejaren lifestyle on Erra. Thank you Salome | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 03-2007 |
Plejaren lifestyle? 2 hours physical work each day androids and robots everywhere to help humans peaceful and telepathic talking and communication 1 big house for 1 family many hours a day studying and meditating food is fruit and vegetables with small amount of meat going out in spaceships to fullfill cosmic missions An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Sirashwin New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007 |
But i read somewhere in a reply from Billy that most people on Erra are not telepathic; so do they speak to each other in Sarat or the other Pleiadian language for communicating to each other? | ||
Adityasonakia New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2007 |
Thanks Franco Fiori, i would agree with Ashwin.....most people on Erra don't know Telepathy. So is Telepathy a higher form to reach even for the plejerans?? Adityasonakia, Are you over 18 years old to register for the FIGU Forum? Scott-Moderator | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 05-2007 |
how can they not know telepathy, there born with that ability thanks to there spiritual evolution. and has billy ever said this. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2007 |
I don't understand: How is that we in about 800 years will develop primary telepathy and the pleiadeans that are ahead of us 25 millions of years in spiritual evolution and most of them don't know telepathy? Here I see a contradiction! That must be a joke or maybe they tell to billy that most of them don't know telepathy with the purpose of not intimidate him while he was visiting their planet. "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1261 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I don't believe it was stated in the previsions of Jeremia that people would have developed telepathy, it stated "they will be able to receive and understand all messages, which another human being thinks and feels." Perhaps this a different then primary telepathy, in which you actually here the persons voice in your head as I understand it. This may be a form of sensing which involves some of the higher senses of the psyche as I remember. I could be wrong, but I thought it might be something to consider. Regards Scott | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2007 |
Yes Billy told many people on Erra are not telepathic, but I think he was referring to spiritual telepathy, the most complete, powerful and precise kind of. I think all plejaren master primary tlepathy. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 315 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello scott, i would think that just because one cand send telepathic messages to another person, does not mean one cannot recieve telepathic messages from another person. in the worst case, the person who does'nt know how to perform telpathy but recieves a telepathic message would proopably just be confused by it, or think he or she is hearing voices (schizophrenic phenomenon etc) what do you think? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 521 Registered: 06-2000 |
Greetings Adityasonakia and Sirashwin ; Kind of you to join us .I have the impression that on Erra there is little needless talk . Serenity is prevalent there , and most of the conversations that occur on Earth would be impossible there ,disagreements over needless things and the like . Quietude is everywhere , and the inner direction of the majority of people there is always reaching upward and ahead in inner development , consistent realizations that make each day deeper and clearer for those who ponder much . I also sense that great creativity abounds , but not in stupid senseless ways as artists do here with pretentious fads and rapidly fading styles . With classic structure and ingenuity , valuable works of dignity stimulate the imagination and conscience of everyone who enjoys them . Kind Thanks , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Sirashwin New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Marc however serene the place is don't you think the Pleiadians would have something or the other to tell each other; after all humans are social beings. But the question I have is regarding the education system of the Pleiadians. As far as I have heard they receive telepathic impulses making it an open system education. How true is this? Thanking all ashwin | ||
Sirashwin New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2007 |
And another point (something which Aditya had pointed out to me)is that if all on Erra mastered telepathy why would they have 16,403 languages(as of July 2002)? Or is my concept of telepathy wrong and that one needs a language for passing on thoughts to someone else?? Sirashwin, Are you over 18 years old to register on the FIGU Forum? Scott-Moderator | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1262 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, According to Christian most of the Plejarens do not use Primary Telepathy, and even fewer use Spiritual Telepathy. He stated the following: "This refers to primary telepathy. As far as I know spiritual telepathy is not a common ability among the P's. I think that the spiritual leaders have to by capable of spiritual telepathy in order to fulfil their tasks." Regards Scott | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks Scott for your answer. and by the way isn't the age bar above 13? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 524 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Ashwin ; I would think think their high attentiveness would make them connected at a distance . Billy said that on his visit there , he observed them as being kind of half-asleep , but he said it somewhat jokingly . More 'siesta' than 'fiesta' . I'm not sure about the education system . They have more avenues to educate ; possible home schooling with machines , androids , etc. As far as having languages and telepathy , I would think that communication is a thing of choice , like two English people speaking in Spanish . Why would they do that ? Maybe they are planning to go to Spain , and are practicing , for example . Maybe they are actors ,or maybe they are in Spanish class . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1263 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Sirashwin, My mistake, thanks for bringing this to my attention. For some reason I always thought it was 18 Regards Scott | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Scott--> That was a relief for me too; i thought you were going to chuck me out of here ! Hi Mark--> I didn't get what you are saying. If one had telepathy(which to my understanding is concerning of thoughts independent of language; or is it dependent?) why would they need to have so many languages then? Kind Regards ashwin | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hey: In some threads I read that a woman saw the extraterrestrial Ptah and that he was glowing as a lamp. To what this is tue? Is this due to a technical mean, or is that they sometimes glow naturally? "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 319 Registered: 03-2004 |
To be a little more accurate, the FIGU member that saw Ptaah said that he seemed to have a glow around him. This could imply different things but it was never mentioned that he was lit up with a light. A mother with her new baby is said to have a glow about her sometimes. Thus he may have been surrounded by a soft light or he might have had a more figurative type of glow. I don't know the correct answer but I wanted to mention that. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 03-2004 |
For the Plejarens or anyone else, primary telepathy can only be understood by someone if they understand the language of the sender. There is no automatic understanding in that case. However, the higher forms of telepathy, including spirit telepathy, do not require knowing the language of the sender because these forms of telepathy bypass the need for that. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 05-2007 |
actually billy has mentioned that the correct telepathy is not through words but through symbols. he explains this in his interview i think it was with randy winters in 89. so as long as they know the symbols /which i think are universal/ they wouldn't need languages. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2007 |
Maybee that glow is some protection field around him. Can billy meier or some member of the core group explain what is that "glow"? "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thank you Thomas i was searching for some explanation like that. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 530 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Ashwin ; To have telepathy and also many languages , I offer an analogy : If a few people have access to gourmet food ( let's equate this to Telepathy), and also have somewhat mundane foods such as peanut butter sandwiches (let's equate this to Languages), then why would the mundane foods exist ? Shouldn't it all be the best fancy dishes all the time ? Better yet , I'm sure that they are aware that if you don't use language , you can lose the ability to speak . Maybe when you have 1000 years to live there is time for conversation now and then . If they wanted to record a message by voice , it would probably sound better than if they recorded the Telepathy . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 322 Registered: 03-2004 |
Sorry Dave but your info is incomplete. Spirit telepathy is based on symbols whereas primary telepathy is based on words and pictures, with the words being sort of a soft whispering in the consciousness. And as far as the glow is concerned, I believe that there is more info in the archives of this forum about that subject specifically if you look. I think it was addressed in the past here. You are welcome Sirashwin. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 05-2007 |
sorry for that, thanks for correcting me. the problem was that billy didn't specify which telepathy he was talking about. he simply said telepathy not spirit or primary telepathy. and i think the p's only speak through telepathy when needed, like when you need to call someone. cause if they have someone in front of them why would they use telepathy. the same thing with us why would we use a phone to speak to somebody next to you. about the glow i think that either could be a type of protective sheild. or something natural concerning there higher development, but i haven't really heard anything about them glowing that brightly. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 328 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dave, I am being patient with you in order to help you but you MUST begin to look for yourself for your answers before just asking. Otherwise you waste everyone's time when you could easily find the answers yourself here on the FORUM. It has been mentioned over and over that most Plejarens do NOT master telepathy of ANY kind and even fewer master spirit telepathy. Thus it is logical that they never use telepathy since they don't know it (when refering to the majority of Plejaren people). I don't mean to sound angry but I have noticed over the years that most people do not search for themselves and only either expect to be fed the information, or they make false assumptions from lack of understanding. All of us, including myself, make errors from lack of understanding. I am just suggesting that before asking something, or before stating a bit of info, that you research thoroughly this forum at least. If you need clarification or even if you make a mistake, then no worries. Most of us here are very glad to help. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 840 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott and All.... I would agree with what Christian said. I would think that the Plejarans are more familiar with the usage of 'Thought' Reading/Receiving than Telepathy, in general. Just as the case is here, on Earth with certain individuals: Talented or just because of their Elderly/Ancient Evolution and Spiritual Status, if you will. So, the usage of 'Thought' Reading/Receiving, would be more the case, in their daily lives, and not as Christian made clear: the Primary Telepathy manifestation(s), which is an exceptions...in most cases. We must keep in mind, the difference/distinction between Telepathy and Thought Reading/Receiving process(ing). (Primary) Telepathy is: (Thought) Communication - back and forth -, individuals to one and other. Thought Reading/Receiving is: ONLY, READING/RECEIVING the thought of an individual. Thus, here...is NO Transmitting Transferring manifestation...going - back and forth -! ONLY, ONE way signals, so to speak...done by the: Reader/ Receiver. Edward. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 05-2007 |
thomas i understand, but i did not ask a question in my last post. also when i posted what billy said i didn't feel the need to research it here or on the net becuase he had already explained it. now that i know i got mixed up between the two i won't make the same mistake again. and then about the telepathy, now this was really confusing you see. some people on here were saying no not everybody on erra knows / uses telepathy then there were other people who said they use telepathy more than they speak but with there languages. /the discussion is on the other page/ so i didn't know who was right and who was wrong. i also did some research on the net and all the places i went to only speak of the plejaran in the mission and not all the plejaran people. /so that didn't help/ i was confused cause there were diffrent answeres all over the place. oh and one more thing, actually i prefer to search stuff for myself regarding the mission but i can barely ever find what i'm looking for on the net. most of the things on the net are a bunch of low budget et sited with little info. the only places where i can find info are at gaiaguys, theyfly , this forum and a few others. do you know any other good ones. i heard mr.stevens web site is good. and by the way thanks for clearing up my misunderstandings of this topic. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 841 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Incredible..... It can also be that Ptaah's 'Fine Material Matter - Auric Fluidal Forces/AURA -', play part here(and even perhaps, his Protection Shield mechanism, in combination). The Plejarans are in a much HIGHER Vibrations Frequency(and Less Coarse and more: Spiritually) than us Earthly human beings, and thus, when it is dark or night time, this would/can manifest itself, as what was observed with Ptaah: the slight Glow. Which in many Folklore, are named as: Light Entities/Beings. Edward. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 331 Registered: 03-2004 |
No worries Dave. I understand about the conflicting answers. I jumped the gun a bit as has happened more than once lately out of frustration. What I suggest is that you stick to info that comes directly from BEAM and FIGU. That's the best way to be correct. If you do not speak German, then I suggest that you get the books anyway and translate them using program translation while at the same time learning German so you can become more and more accurate in your translations... | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 03-2003 |
To Kaare, where in the contact notes did you read this? "In the contact notes there is mentioned a race of humans from a planet named HASTER. (The Plejarans helped them build a base deep in the North Sea in 1980.) These humans are on a level 1120 years ahead of us in total evolution (calculated from 1981). They can stay no more than 17 hours in direct range of the vibrations from Earth humans before they would start to lose control over themselves. But to me, it gives a bit of an indication over the progress we can expect, all going well, over the next 1100 years ourselves. The Plejarans however still had to use the same vibration neutralization device when in direct range of these humans from planet Haster, which is same device they use to protect themselves against our vibrations." | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi James, Regarding the Humans from Planet Haster. I found this information in the German contact notes Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Gesprache Block 4 , contact number 141 dated 3rd of January 1981. It is written in Block number 4 on page 149. It is close to one A4 page of information given by Semjase. They were brought over to Earth in Ptaah’s mothership, as they lacked the required technology to build space ships that could cross the 483 million light year distance from their home Galaxy to Earth. They came to Earth for the purpose of research and study. The latest information about them is that they have left Earth and their base, which was located deep in the North Sea, and have now joined the Plejaran federation. Regards Kaare | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Kaare, OK thanks for letting me know, you may also want to answer Billy in the questions to Billy section, what you just told me here concerning the contact notes. You know if the Haster people joined the Plejarens, then it is to my understanding that they too will now be off limits. Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 843 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi James and Kaare..... Very well done, James! You too, of course....Kaare. Well, if this is the case: this would explain the North Sea UFOs which went into the North Sea Oceans at the time, in 1980's! I had been following that manifestation at the time. It was even mentioned, so here and there, that Russians as well as US and other Submarines had been chasing them at the bottom of the ocean, but we know....that our conventional Submarines....can only go SO DEEP! And this limitation, did them no good, to further apprehend the Deep Ocean UFOs/Crafts. So, THIS does Clarify and Confirm, that THEY were in deed of Extraterrestrial Origin; and with the help of the Plejarans, built their under sea base! It was truly a - Cat And Mouse Game -, at the time. USA, as well as the NATO did not want to comment on the subject at the time. USA said it was Russian TOP SECRET Subs, at the time, which of course the Russians denied. And so, they were all giving each other the blame, as whom it may be. The whole of Europe was in Panic, to some point! Edward. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 05-2007 |
thanks guys like edward said that would pretty much explain all those sightings of ufo's going in and out of the water. my mother use to work at an airport here in miami and many of the pilots use to tell her stories of them seeing saucers coming out of the water aswell as saucers flying side by side with them. /most of those pilots flew over europe/ so the people in those ships must have been the haster people. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2003 |
The year 1978, In the space of three extraordinary months, the Catholic Church was led by three different popes. 1) The death of Pope Paul VI on August 6th, 1978 2) was followed on August 26th by the election of the "Smiling Pope," John Paul I. Reigning only 33 days, before he died on September 28th. 3) Who was then followed, only a few weeks later, on October 16th, 1978 by the "Polish Pope" John Paul II . With reference to Wendell Stevens speech on the “ Meier case update – 2006 “ DVD and Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Gespraeche, Block 3, below are some comments I like to make First of all on August 6th 1978, the following events took place: 1. Pope Paul VI died at his summer residence at Castel Gandolfo 2. Billy attended contact 113. Met with Semjase and Quetzal onboard a Plejaran beam ship . 3. Wendell Stevens was present at the Center in Hinterschmidruti. He saw Billy leave out the door for the contact, and he was also in the car that went to pick Billy up from after the contact had ended. But first it should be mentioned what happened on June 1st earlier that year, when Billy talked to Ptaah in contact 108. Billy had earlier made a probability calculation that Pope Paul VI would die on August 6th 1978 at 20 hours 40 minutes and 13 seconds in the evening. He also calculated that death would eventuate through a hart attack and occur at the pope’s summer residence at Castel Gandolfo. He presented his result to Ptaah on June 1st 1978 during contact 108 (see Block 3 page 167). Ptaah confirmed Billy’s calculation was correct and corresponded with their own discovery years earlier through an apparatus based analysis. So two different methods were here used: Probability calculation by Billy, and apparatus based analysis by the Plejarans. Both gave same result. This explains their timing of contact 113. Plejarans choice of timing for this contact gives a clear indication that they had prior knowledge of the events that would happen moments after their Contact had begun. They decided to start the contact at 20.31 on that evening of August 6th. This is 9 minutes prior to the time they had previously discovered that the pope would die, and 1 hour and 9 minutes prior to the official time the pope passed away , according to the Vatican. 6 Aug 78 20.31 - Contact 113 starts . Billy onboard Plejaran beam ship 6 Aug 78 20.40.13 - Actual time the Pope dies. (see above) 6 Aug 78 21.40 - Official time that the Pope passed away according to the Vatican (see below) 21.40 – the official time – is the earliest time that a media broadcast of the Pope’s passing away would have occurred (Reference: several German internet sites display the following sentence: "Am Sonntag, den 6. August, um 21.40 Uhr entschlief Papst Paul VI. im Frieden des Herrn", teilte der Vatikan der Welt 1978 mit. “The Vatican informed the world that Pope Paul VI passed away at peace with the Lord on Sunday 6th of August, at 21.40 o'clock” Also Stevens says that the announcement was first made sometime after Billy left for the contact. Because, after standing outside for a while, in vain, looking for Billy, he then went inside. First at that point had the TV transmission been interrupted, and the screen displayed a black background with a white cross with letters saying the pope had died. Stevens walked behind Billy out the door in a short distance behind him, and he noticed that the time on a wall clock showed 20.25 ( 8.25 pm) as he walked out. And already at 20.31 – 6 minutes later, did the contact start by which time Billy already, by then, would have been onboard the beam ship, hovering somewhere in the air. So Billy could not have walked far from the house before he was teleported aboard. Which is consistent with what Stevens found when he followed shortly after Billy out the door – he saw 3 footsteps in the muddy ground with the 4th footstep missing, And they were fresh footsteps as he observed the water seeping inn and filling them up as he watched them - it was raining. Here is something else I think they did. In the timeline above, the narrow window of only 9 minutes between when the contact starts and when the Pope dies is very tight and look suspicious. In contact 108 they told they had discovered years back that the Pope would die of hart failure, and they knew the exact time down to the very second when the Pope would die. And they also knew the location where the Pope would die. And if they knew such details, they surely knew more. They also knew what event that would cause his death back then. And they also knew at what the time this event started - because they wanted to observe it. But they could not mention this event in contact 108. They only gave one number out - the time the pope would die of hart failure. They could not mention what event it was, or when this event would take place, that caused the pope to die. They also knew that Billy, out of security reasons as well, not could mention the event responsible for the Pope’s death in his contact report, and consequently could not mention at what time this event took place either. But they knew that Billy always reports all his contact reports with a starting time -down to the minute, for when he starts talking to them, which in this instance, meant the time he is onboard their ship, since he was teleported onboard. So they decided to make Billy starting time of the contact, same as the starting time of the event that killed the pope. That gave them the second number they were looking for to construct a timeline. The reason why I think this is so – is this: The Plejarans don’t fly – they jump. So there is no fly time between Hinterschmidruti and Castel Gandolfo. Consequently there is no time loss either. They have demonstrated this to Billy when he shot film of their beam ships. The ship showed up in two places within a split second of time within the same frame, because they materialized and dematerialized at the same time within the same film frame. In another words they jumped without time loss. So what I think happened here is this: When they arrived at Hinterschmidruti to pick Billy up. They had already preset their next set of coordinates - Castel Gandolfo. They wasted no time over Hinterschmidruti. The moment Billy had been teleported onboard, they immediately undertook next jump based on their preset coordinates This means they were also over Castel Gandolfo at 20.31. So 20.31 is not only the official start time of Billy’s contact number 113 - 20.31 is also Tea Time at Castel Gandolfo. This fits in with Stevens’s speech. Stevens said Billy told him quote/unquote “We got there 5 to 10 minutes before”, and he then continued to say that he watched the murder of the Pope, on viewing screens onboard the Plejaran beam ship. One scene showed a cardinal putting two drops of poison in the Pope’s teacup. A servant, moments later, served the teacup to the Pope. The Plejarans have demonstrated to Billy in previous contacts that they have technology in place to watch events like this taking place inside buildings on the ground from their viewing screens onboard their ships. It is therefore not unreasonable to think that the Plejarans, with access to this super advanced technology, would want Billy to be onboard their beam ship in these crucial moments just prior, in front of the ships viewing screens, where he, with his own eyes, not only could see how the murder of the pope was carried out, but he could also see why it was done. Because Stevens said Billy told him he was showed different scenes, not only showing how the murder was carried out, but this also gave away the reason for why the Pope was murdered, as one scene showed a cardinal picking up a folder from the Pope’s desk which contained a presentation that the Pope was planning the next day. There are no comments about the viewing screens and what Billy saw on them in official contact notes of contact 113. This is to be expected. And it now appears Billy decided for a safer option – tell it to Stevens and let him record it. In fact there is hardly any new information about this Pope in this particular contact. The little information Billy give out about this Pope is more a repeat of what’s previous known. For instance as he is onboard the beam ship, Billy states the moment the Pope passes away, or more correctly, the moment when his spirit form leaves his physical body and enters the other side, or the beyond as it also is called. As Quetzal is giving a speech about another topic, Billy breaks him off with the following comment: (Contact 113 6 Aug 78 - Block 3 page 196- my unofficial translation underneath): Quote Billy Jetzt hat er die Seite gewechselt, Quetzal. Billy He has now changed side, Quetzal. Quetzal 15. Ich verstehe nicht? Quetzal 15. I do not understand? Billy Ich erklaere es dier nachher, wenn du deine Rede beended hast. Weisst du, es war eben 20.40 Uhr und 13 Sekunden. Doch mache nur weiter. Billy I will explain it to you after you have finished your speech. You see, it was 20.40 and 13 seconds a moment ago. However, just continue. Unquote So far everything Stevens have said reconcile nicely up against the German contact notes, which is one indicator that this conversations with Billy took place, another indicator of that is that the DVD has been out for nearly one and a half year now. And I would think Billy would have commented by now if he disagreed with what took place. So I have no doubt the conversation with him and Billy took place and that Stevens is talking from the notes he recorded and from his memory about what was said to him during that meeting. However there is one grave discrepancy showing up. It’s the reason why Pope John Paul 1 was murdered. Stevens’s version is completely different on this point from Quetzal’s version. On the other data they match. In another words it is one true version against a half true version - where the reason why he was murdered is the only thing altered. What comes up her is in my opinion an important case study. It shows that there can be the odd time in the contact notes when the Plejarans are forced to only state half truths. Due to security reasons for example. They know that their operations on Earth are closely watched 24/7, from all kinds of organizations. In my opinion they have here decided that a decoy had to be planted in order to lower the security risk down to an acceptable level for the operation to go ahead. This means some sorting is required to find out who is doing the decoy. I feel the best way to sort out a decoy is to first spread out both versions and first scrutinize them both, then try form my own impression of what they are actually trying to say, and then try and state this in a few lines. I find the decoy better stands out and becomes more visible then. The final thing to do in the end is to line up both the compressed version side by side and do the judgment. First Billy’s version as told by Stevens, then underneath is Quetzals’ versions as it is published in the official contact notes. – My verdict, as I see it, at the bottom. Stevens version – as he claimed he was told by Billy on the morning 7th Aug 1978 shortly after 9.30 in the morning: With reference to Wendell Stevens speech as recorded on the DVD “Meier case update 2006” - volume A Quote starts from 38 minutes and 45 seconds (my audio transcript) “….Billy is telling me this, and I am still protesting we don’t murder popes – this is a modern time It just doesn’t happen. He said Well, I can tell you something else that you can watch for he said They showed me that the next Pope, his successor , would be elected on the largest conclave in the history of the church”, of course there is more cardinals, “he will be elected on the shortest ballot” - and in my research I found that there is only other ballot that short. He will be elected on the third ballot - it will take 33 days to verify the ballot if evidently they poll the cardinals that vote. They verified the ballot and they said the new pope would take the name …they gave Billy the name that the newly elected pope would be his given name, and then they said that when he was crowned pope he would take the name John Paul the 1st. And then he added that this pope would discover the losses and begin the process all over again and the Co-conspirators act once more and he’ll die by the same hands from the same reason and exactly 33 days -the same time, minutes it took for to poll the votes - now that is something I can check and this is only .. there hasn’t even been a proper announcement about the pope that had just died so I made notes of that – and …but I am still protesting and Billy said .. he is trying to reinforce his position so he said .. again he said ..” I can tell you something else Mr. Stevens” he said “After the short time pope that will reign 33 days he will perish by the same hands “he said then.. the cardinals …the Vatican ….the cardinals … the Vatican hierarchy is still in charge of the Vatican, and the hierarchy will decide to elect a pope outside of the Vatican hierarchy, so he has less chance of finding out what’s going on and they gave Billy the name of the second pope to follow pope John Paul the 1st hadn’t even been elected yet. They said that second pope would be cardinal s.. geor… something wasinski …was Pope John Paul the 2nd given name before he became a cardinal or became a pope and they said that he will have a choice when after he is crowned pope he… he will discover the loss and he will have a choice either he has to do the right thing and act and suffer the same fate or risk the same fate or he is going to have to ignore it and.. and do nothing about it until he can get some better control in the Vatican and apparently John Paul the 2nd decided to do that. They told Billy that that new pope from Poland would choose the name John Paul the 2nd in honor of the first short lived pope , the 33 day pope. And he is telling me all this before any of it had happened in reality and I am making notes. I have got pages of notes. Unquote at 41 minutes 50 seconds. Quetzal’s version as taken from Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Gespraeche, Block 3 Einhundertdreizehnter Kontakt Sonntag, 6. August 1978, 20.31 Uhr (page 204) – my preliminary and unofficial English translation beneath the original German text. Quote Billy Es ist wegen des neuen Papstes zu Rom: Wann wird dieser Knuelch gewaehlt, wer wird er sein und wie lange wird er in seinem Amt bleiben usw.? Billy It is regarding the new Pope of Rome: When is this bugger going to be Elected? Who is he going to be, and how long is he going to stay in his tenancy. etc ? Quetzal 101. Es haette mich sehr verwundert, wenn du diese Frage nicht vorgebracht haettest. Quetzal 101. It would have surprised me very much if you had not brought up this question. 102. Gut denn, ich will dir darueber Auskunft erteilen, doch musst du diese solange verschweigen, bis sich die Daten erfuellt haben. 102. Good then, I will inform you, however you must keep silence about this until after the facts has been fulfilled. 103. Hoechstens darfst du verlauten lassen, dass der neue Papst nicht sehr lange sein seines Amtes walten wird. 103. At the most, you can report that the new Pope will not stay long in his Papacy. 104. Der neue Papst wird durch eine sehr kurze Wahlzeit bestimmt werden durch nur 111 Kardinaele, die am Samstag, den 26. August durch das Konklave einen Kardinal namens Luciani zum neuen Papst ernennen. 104. The new Pope will be appointed through a very short ballot time by only 111 Cardinals. who on Saturday the 26th of August on a Conclave will name a cardinal with the name Luciani as the new Pope. 105. Sein neuer Name wird sein Papst Johannes Paul 1. 105. His new Name will be Pope Johannes Paul 1. 106. So kurz wie die zeit fuer seine Ernennung dauert, so kurz wird auch seine Amtszeit sein. 106. As short as the time to appoint him takes, as short will also his tenure be. 107. Nach der Nennung seines Namens im Konklave wird es dann ganz genau 33 Minuten dauern, ehe er vom Konklave als neuer Papst ernannt wird. 107. After he has been named in the Conclave, it will then take exactly 33 minutes before he becomes appointed as the new Pope by the Conclave. 108. Diese 33 Minuten Beratungszeit werden auch genau die Anzahl Tage sein, waehrend denen er sein Amt als Papst ausueben wird, um dann am 28.September 1978 sein Leben zu beenden, um sehr genau 23.07 Uhr, ohne dass jemand bei ihm sein wird, folglich er dann einsam von dieser Welt scheidet. 108. These 33 Minutes consultation time will also become the exact number of days that he will be in the tenure as Pope , after that on 28. September 1978 his life will end, exactly 23.07 o’clock, without anybody being with him, consequently he will then depart lonely from this world. 109. Sein Tod aber wird nicht ein natuerlicher sein, sondern ein gewaltsamer, der widerum hervorgerufen werden wird durch ein Gift, durch das die Herztaetigkeit aussetzt, was dann den Eindruck eines Herzschlages erweckt. 109. His death, however, will not be a natural one, rather a violent one, which yet again will be caused by a type of poison that suspends the working of the heart, and gives the impression of a heart attack. 110. Ermodet wird der neue Papst werden darum, weil er die vornehme Herrschaft des Vatikans schockieren wird und gar in Entsetzen versetzt durch sein Benehmen und sine Lebensweise. 110. The new Pope will therefore be murdered because he will shock the snobby leadership of the Vatican and horrify them through his behavior and way of life. 111. So wird er sich aber auch toedliche Feinde unter der Kardinalschaft und vielen anderen schaffen, weil er die Tradition der Papstkroenung mit einer Papstkrone brechen und nur eine einigermassen einfache Zermonie zugestehen wird. 111. He will therefore also create deadly enemies among the group of Cardinals and several others, because he breaks the tradition with a triple crown in the pope crowning sermon and instead allows for a sermon that to some degree is simpler. 112. Doch der neue Papst wird in den Augen und Gedanken vieler massgebender vatikanherrschaften viel zu volksfreundlich sein, was fuer den Vatikan nicht gut ist, weil er dadurch Macht verlieren wuerde. 112. However the new Pope becomes far too people friendly in the eyes and views of many influential in the Vatican hierarchy which is not good for the Vatican , because he would loose authority through this. 113. So wird schon wenige Stunden nach seiner Ernennung ein Komplott geschmiedet werden, das zum Ziele hat, diesen Papst Johannes Paul 1. sehr schnell wieder aus seinem Amt zu entfernen, und zwar durch eine Ermordung desselben. 113. Thus only a few Hours after his appointment will a plot be forged which has the goal, this Pope Johannes Paul 1, again to be very quickly ousted from his tenure and indeed through a murder the same. Billy Mann, das sind ja Neuigkeiten. Aber, wie ist es denn, bleibt es denn so wie bei Papst Johannes XXIII., oder wie der geheissen hat, bleibt auch dieser Mord unendeckt und ungesuehnt ? Billy Man, yes that’s news. But, how is it then, is it going to be as with Pope Johannes XXIII., or whatever he has been called, is also this murder going to remain undetected and unpunished. Semjase 40. Leider ja, denn die Macht der katolischen Kirche ist gross, ganz besonders die des Vatikans. Semjase 40. Unfortunately yes, because the power of the Catholic Church, and the Vatican in particular, is great. Unquote So the bottom line is - and this is my understanding of the above: As I understand the bottom line according to Steven’s speech (above) is that Pope John Paul the 1st was murdered because: 1. He also discovered the losses in the Vatican finances stemming from In-house corruption. He too had decided to do something about it. As I understand the bottom line according to Quetzal’s statement (also above) is that Pope John Paul the 1st was murdered because: 1. He displayed a shocking behavior. This obviously took them by surprise since his behavior was thought to be OK when he served as cardinal. That and the fact that he was one of the homeboys was the reason why they elected him Pope. 2. He was given free choice in deciding how he wanted his own crowning sermon done, and he did not do it 100 percent in accordance with tradition. 3. He became too people friendly. My conclusion to the above: 1. The Plejarans planted the decoy. (in the official contact notes) 2. Billy gave the real version to Stevens. This is another reason I would highly recommend the purchase of the DVD “The Meier case update – 2006” from Michael Horn’s website TheyFly.com as I think it is worth to watch the whole of Stevens speech. Because in my opinion: Not only did Stevens do an update - he also gave the real version. Regards Kaare | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 05-2007 |
kaare very interesting post indeed, i never knew billy was taken to see the murder. what i find fascinating is that while a man has just died below them, there just talking about something else, like if nothing has happened. ps you said there's a video of the p's demonstrating how they jump from one place to the other, where can i find it. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello The_original_dave Hi, You can probably can find this clip a few places on the net, but I prefer the original DVD as it gives the best quality. The DVD I have it on here is called “ Contact”. There are two jumping scenes The 1st at 11 mins 15 secs. In this scene the ship is very clear and appears close The 2nd is at 1 hour 9 mins and 56 secs. In this scene the ship is further away, but this is the scene where the ship is captured on 8 mm film disappearing and repapering within the same 8mm frame in two places at the same time and the frame is 1/18 seconds That’s what I like with the Plejarans – they give demonstrations to prove they can things like this. For purchase see: http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?cPath=49&products_id=342 Regards Kaare | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Kaare, may i ask when you bought your "Contact" video on DVD because I got mine on VHS. I bought it one year ago from MH. I asked if I could have it on DVD but was told it not available on DVD. I would have preferred it on DVD. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 05-2007 |
thanks kaare. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Vestri, I bought it on DVD 5 July 2006 when I was at Hinterschmidruti. I also had the VHS version before, but the player stopped working. Beside I find it handier to have it on DVD because then I can play it on my own computer when I want. Which I find good, as sometimes the rest of family may not share your interest. Regards Kaare | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings everyone, Just to bring to everyone's attention, it looks like there is an incorrect version of Semjase going about on the internet now found on people's public blog sites. Any idea who is responsible and perhaps we can ask this one particular person to make a correction since this photo continues now to circulate to yet more people. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190131883 | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 02-2006 |
This version of Semjase's portrait was posted for very short period of time (1 day only) on Dyson's web site, and according to some Dyson's suggestions to me, I corrected the picture so the final version of Semjase's color portrait based on sketch of Christian Krukowski's is posted at: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.plejarenportraits.htm The person who is responsible for: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190131883 can replace the picture with the corrected one (approved by Billy) which is posted at Dyson's web site. Also he can change the info about Semjase's age and so on... Salome, Dejan | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 05-2007 |
This is for members who are not yet aware of the coloured pictures at http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.plejarenportraits.htm here is what Ptaah told on the 284th contact, June 11th, 2000, about the original black & white sketch(rendered with the assistance of Plejaren thought-impulses for best-possible accuracy) by Christian Krukowski . "Ah - Christians Ziechnung ist phantastisch gut und das Bild zeigt meine Tochter gerade so, wie ein zeichnerishe wiedergegebenen Photographie." "Ah - Christian's sketch is fantastically good and the picture shows my daughter precisely like a sketch copied from a photograph." Dear Dejan--> I must say you really did a great job. I know you did it 2 yrs ago but I came to know of Billy only last year ! I understand Billy ended up in giving you a copy of "And They Still Fly", am i right? Salome ashwin | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Ashwin, Thanks for kind words. I'm really glad that you like it. Well, something like that... as I have explained before, I made this picture in 2005, but it was first time posted here on forum this year, somewhere in March I think (you can check the archives). Very soon after that, and after the few corrections that I've made, Dyson finally posted the picture in hi-res on his web site. As Christian (Frehner) said to me, Billy was pleased with what he saw, and he ask me for permission to use the pictures in his future presentations. Of course, it was my pleasure and I've sent to Billy the hi-res copies of the pictures. A few days after that I received the letter from Billy, together with the book "And yet they fly"-the first edition of Guido's book. "And still they fly" I purchased before from Michael... Salome, Dejan | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ha Dejan, I'd say your pictures are done so good that now even the skeptics will claim they are copies of photos taken from a Sears Catalog. I was thinking however, now all you have left is to color in Jmmanuel and Asket. Peace in wisdom, James Truthseeker | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Kaare, Very good information, thanks. :-) Dear Dejan, As Ashwin said, good work done indeed. The picture you have made is very very good. Keep it up. To all, I was wondering how often do the plejaren ships come to earth now? Have they still got the automated ships going around earth looking into people's minds? Thanking all Salome Aditya | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 03-2007 |
Plejarens=Illuminati? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdIkSu7f1e8&mode=related&search= An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all This is an excerpt from gaiaguys.net The Plejarans are described as being the most spiritually advanced that a life form can be while still retaining a physical form. Is this true? I couldn't verify this anywhere else. Salome ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 881 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin..... If what you posted is from their translations: It must be Truth! D&V, do excellent translations! Human beings in a physical body can be very Material in Evolution, and thus NOT Spiritual! And so, it seems: that the Plejarans have reached an - Equilibrium -, which produced the needed Balance; in the Material aspects as well as Spirituality. And thus: Spirituality, taking a greater place within their existence! We must not forget, that the Plejarans do have access to the Teachings Billy provides, and are personally in contact with Billy...which makes this all even more accessible for them. And Billy does write for the Plajarans: which places them with these Teachings, in a much higher level of Spirituality! Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Edward Thanks for your post in The Spiritual Teachings » Miscellaneous. And regarding the above excerpt in my above post; it is not from a translation but actually taken from the first article on Billy written by Vivienne in March 2003 http://www.gaiaguys.net/prophetnewagemeier.htm So is the statement valid that "The Plejarans are described as being the most spiritually advanced that a life form can be while still retaining a physical form." Thanking You ashwin PS - it is joyous to see the forum filled with your posts on Saturdays | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, So would that mean, after this, they will become more spiritual and hence will become more.....uh...transparent if i can say that?? Thanks Salome Aditya | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 307 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dear Sirashwin & Adi, Well their next stage will be less physical, or kind of between the physical and non-physical in body, like the High Council, so, yes. This stage is still, I understand, however, millions of years away for the Ps. Evolution is slow but sure. best, | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Chris, Thanks a lot for the information. Salome Adi | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ashwin: "So if what i said is right then in theory we would be able to analyse Semjase's DNA which could in turn greatly assist in finding the manipulated aggressor gene in our DNA sequences; thereby finally allowing Earth humans to rid themselves of this anomaly." Billy sent that lock of hair for an examination but didn't receive it back. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob That's too bad. But has he sent all of it? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 03-2007 |
You have to ask yourself, would a smart alien race be so careless as to leave behind a blueprint of their genetic codes? Especially, after being so fastidious about not having their pictures taken? I think they may have been responsible for the disappearance of that lock of hair (including any private stash of Billy’s) just as I think they were behind the disappearance of the metal samples and many of Billy’s photographs. But that’s just my personal opinion. Earth people must follow their own evolutionary path which for now includes, what Semjase calls “natural barbarism”. Though the Plejarens are careful not to interfere or influence too much, their actions seem to indicate that they may have crossed that line occasionally and have to make amends. The advanced-spiritual-aliens giveth and the advanced-spiritual-aliens taketh away. For the advanced-spiritual-aliens work in mysterious ways. Regards Bob | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Bob, But as you say "would a smart alien race be so careless as to leave behind a blueprint of their genetic codes? Especially, after being so fastidious about not having their pictures taken?" So that means there was no genetic code in the hair, so then why did Billy not get it back? Something is fishy here, could they have found something, some clue??  Salome Aditya | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2007 |
@ Adityasonakia something just doesnt seem to fit, if they dont want to intervene with us big, giving superior dna isnt the way to go i can already see it scientitsts are just gonna use it for evil purposes Derek : I swear.....there out there.... Lisa : um....Derek your a little crazy....aliens dont exist...... Derek : Well clearly...they do then why is the ufos out there.... Lisa : umm...yea w/e your insane.... Derek : Well....tthe thing about being insane is weither your not insane and you say your not insane ppl look at you in denial and say you are insane and when you do say your insane, your insane....so its not fair.....man this world is so stupid.... | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 03-2007 |
I’ll try to be less cryptic. I think the lock of Semjase’s hair had served out its’ primary purpose - which was as a morale booster for those that began gathering around Billy. If you read the contact notes of what was going on during that time frame, Billy was constantly being asked for physical proof of Semjase; a photograph, an audio recording, or even meeting Semjase face to face. It is my interpretation that the hair sample was given for sentimental reasons, as a graceful gesture, and was never intended to be analyzed. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 05-2007 |
Yes Bob that makes a lot more sense. Infact it is also a more of good will gesture i presume. Not every day a lady cuts a tuft of her hair and gives it to you!  Salome ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 893 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Aditya.... The Plejarans still have a long way to go, before entering the 'Half-Spirit- Physical' manifestation. They too, PERFECT themselves throughout their existence, Spiritually(through reincarnations). But, they will get there one day, just as YOU..and all of us; some may enter that stage of existence sooner than others, though; it is all up to each and every individual him/her-self: in the pace they Progress and Develop. Edward. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 05-2007 |
bob, maybe your right, but that doesn't answere what happened to the lock of hair. where did it go. /note i'm not blaming the p's but i'm just curious aswell/ and how come semjase never allowed billy to record her talking for proof or atleast so that we can hear what she sounds like. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 374 Registered: 03-2004 |
FYI: BEAM requested the tuft of hair which surprised Semjase. She agreed on the spot without much discussion beforehand. Source: the contact notes. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, Thanks fot the information Dear Bob, I would like to agree with Dave, yes, maybe what you say did happen, but where did the lock of hair go?? why wasn't it returned if it was of no use? Dear Dave, Well, the pleiadians could not give away much of their identity, they were and maybe still are roaming around among us, they don't want us to know who they are. Yes, we do have sketches of Semjase (and thanks to Dejan, a wonderful Portrait ), but they still won't want us to know what they sound like. Salome Aditya | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 375 Registered: 03-2004 |
Untrue about letting us know what they sound like. Both Florena and Quetzal have spoken and been heard by others than BEAM. Florena was intentionally heard and Quetzal was heard by accident. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 03-2007 |
Aditya: "So that means there was no genetic code in the hair..." I wasn't implyng that. Dave: "...what happened to the lock of hair. where did it go?" I don't know, but are you familiar with how the metal sample disappeared while in the possession of Marcel Vogel? Thomas: "She agreed on the spot without much discussion beforehand." Don't forget Semjase had the ability to read Billy's thoughts. Regards Bob | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Aditya, If I understand correctly, current scientific methods can only extract DNA from the root of the hair rather than the strand of hair (or cutting, such as was given to Mr. Meier). | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear David, Thanks a lot for the information. Dear Bob, No, i am not aware of that, could you please tell me. Salome Aditya | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 05-2007 |
Aditya it's more of a risk for them to give us portraits of themselves than letting us hear them. no disrespect but what you said doesn't really make sense. bob> I don't know, but are you familiar with how the metal sample disappeared while in the possession of Marcel Vogel?. i beleive the p's took the samples back. if i'm wrong correct me but that's what i heard. and thomas when did someone besides billy hear florena i am not familiar with that story. i know semjase and i beleive quetzal or was it ptaah where heard while having a conversation with billy one night by bernadette brand /i think it was bernadette, i'm not sure i read that months ago./ | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 379 Registered: 03-2004 |
Bernadette heard Quetzal while she was on the phone with BEAM and that wasn't planned but Florena actually greeted some of the FIGU members in a brief radio greeting but that last point I don't remember the exact source. I do remember it being verified correct though. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Dave, No disrespect taken . Yes, you are right it is a risk, to give us their portraits, but don't you think we alredy have one. Like, Semjase's...  This one was drawn by Ptaah or Semjase herself, i'm not sure. But there is this same one, in edited form by Dejan. , that looks realistic, and from Ptaah's point of view IT IS!!. Salome Aditya | ||
Baselineplayer New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2007 |
Sfath, Ptaah, Semjase and Quetzal are colourised by "Anday727". This is indeed a great job done. Very much appreciated. Asket's sketch is now still left for such a colourising. As I see, all the Plejaren and DAL contact persons would easily disappear among the people here in my home country both in manners as well as their appearance. The colourised portrait of Semjase seem to be well spread around now. She looks really wonderful. At last, I remember that I read, that during a contact, Engelbert Wächter did surprise Quetzal while he was to turn around his car when Billy was having a chat with Semjase and Ptaah, I think. Quetzal jumped aside and ran away away. Engelbert managed to see that Quetzal did wear a silver coloured raincoat on that occasion. Med bästa hälsningar/Mit besten grüssen/With best regards Baselineplayer | ||
Socrates Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2007 |
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just use logic to find out whether they really 'do' or 'don't' exist. It sounds to me like *some* (not all) of the people here are not throughly convinced or are upset with the amount of physical evidence provided. Maybe it's because you yourself believe it, but the people around you in your life are not throughly convinced and thus providing evidence such as a voice recording back up your claims/beliefs and draw more attention to the subject. However, the reason I believe they didn't do this is because the majority of people react very violently when given irrefutable evidence contradicting their own beliefs they've spent their entire lives following or building. Just imagine how risky that would be for Billy. However by getting the information out there we can make up in our own minds if we choose to accept this or not and most likely those who come across this information on their own are in one way or another searching for truth or for an explanation anyway. Just my 2-cents, Neal | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Neal, Who are you teeling this too?? Salome Aditya |
