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Syn
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 06:09 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

norm is right once its on p2p network its a done deal.

but im going to say this not everyone has money to spend but still wanted to see the movie like me. i was robbed 3x this year, victim of credit fraud, unable to work due to a foot problem, etc...most of my posessions were stolen from homeless shelters but its because of billy meier that i can perservere and the meaning of his mission.

dont accuse that this is a bad thing because it can have a good effect
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority

-Gerald Massey
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Baselineplayer
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear all,

I see that some of you have some negative feelings about that "Silent Revolution of Truth" have been ripped by someone and put out on torrents. I have seen that it is at least a couple of torrents with this film and it is presented on more torrents sites.

According to what I have read about, is that in the future, the human society will be more and more utilitarian, and the "capitalist" economy will disappear when the mankind have reached a more mature development stage.

There is anyway, nothing a "copyright ripper" can steal anyway. What is done and produced by someone, this will always forever be connected to the rightful creator.

Somewhere in the future, we will not be angry over ripped files and the of today, hot debates about the copyright versus the freedom of information. At that time, we will always keep the creators in mind while something is up, like a film, music, or art etc.

Now, I return to what we are today. According to the statutes of FIGU, it is clear that we all have to comply by the laws and rules there we live, and in most parts of the world, it is not legal to put someones work out on a torrent unless it is not definitively allowed to by the owner of the copyright. In some occasions such a permit would need to be written and undersigned.

Shortly. We have to stick to the laws there we live, and there we are for the moment. But, in the future, it will be a more utilitarian society, there the copyright will not longer be commercialised as it is today.

This copyright breach is regarded today as an economic harm, because Michael will miss incomes of his work as well as FIGU itself. The possibility of the positive side, is that the film will be seen and understood by many other people who probably in a huge extent are sitting behind their computers almost all their days.
Nothing is as obvious as it sometimes appears to be. Our existence is like the medal: it has two sides and also the edge to have in account.

I hope the one or they who have ripped the film will see it and feel some remorse and do some paybacks for it. Of course, I do regard it as a theft of someones work there a lot of resources and investments have been done.

I hope this will dampen the feelings for a while, and let us concentrate to bring the mission further.

It would be very interesting to hear/read what Billy have to say about this.

Let us keep our temper and work even harder especially when something have been going against. Then it is a very good reason to turn the table for the positive.

This was just a couple of bronze pennies of my thoughts coming out for the moment.
Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards

/Baselineplayer
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Truthseeker
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Post Number: 313
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to know why my last post was deleted. I assume the moderators read it incorrectly, yes?
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Badr
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Post Number: 366
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Truthseeker,

The last post from you in this topic was no. 310 and it was approved, there doesnt seem to be other posts that came through after that. Please double check that you had actually posted it, and that there were no errors.

Of course also make sure that it is related to the topic "New Ideas to help the mission improve"

Salome, Badr
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Michael
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Post Number: 635
Registered: 10-2000
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

regarding the pirating of films, etc. as discussed in this thread, I have just added this to my site:

http://theyfly.com/newsflash93/Torrent%20Users.htm
Michael Horn
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Arturo8913
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2008
Posted on Friday, June 13, 2008 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

personally if i could find some way to heal people of serious illnesses using the teachings people would be more inclined to believe though i would just be distracting the true message by doing that as people would be in awe of the ability and not the true teachings. then again if they were to want to learn then only the ones who know truth and are ready will be able to do it and thus force people to learn truth before they can have it as well. assuming how and of if healing is possible. i think jesus did it and resureccted the dead to? what abilities does billy have?
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 305
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 02:32 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Arturo,

Since a young child, Billy learned to develop his consciousness abilities with the assistance of the Plejarens. But such public demonstration as you propose would be counterproductive to his mission. In FIGU Bulletin #64, Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer has written an article that explains this quite well. I will provide only a short excerpt with my rough translation:

Es ist kein Geheimnis, dass BEAM die Fähigkeit zur kontrollierten Anwendung und Nutzung der Bewusstseinskräfte besitzt und diese in äusserst seltenen Fällen in Gegenwart von Zeugen demonstriert.
It is no secret, that BEAM (Billy) possesses the ability of the controlled application and utilization of consciousness powers and this in extremely rare cases demonstrates in the presence of witnesses.

Verschiedene Personen wurden Zeugen seiner sehr seltenen und eindrücklichen Demonstrationen.
Sundries people became witnesses of his very rare and impressive demonstrations.

Zweifellos ist er in diesen Belangen der Zeit und der erdenmenschlichen Entwicklung um viele Jahrhunderte voraus.
Without a doubt, he is in these matters of the earth-human development advanced of time by many centuries.

Diese Tatsache macht ihn jedoch weder zu einem Wunderheiler noch zu einem Erleuchteten, noch zum Heiligen oder Auserwählten, sondern es beweist einmal mehr auch in dieser Hinsicht seine aussergewöhnliche Rolle, seine Fähigkeiten und seine prophetische Einzigartigkeit.
This fact however neither still makes him into a miracle healer nor a seer, nor a saint or chosen one; however, it proves his exceptional role, his abilities and his prophetic uniqueness in this sense once more.

Die gezielte Entwicklung und die Erlernung der bewusstseinsmässigen Fähigkeiten war und ist für ihn eine jener wichtigen Voraussetzungen, die eine Erfüllung seiner Mission sowie die Zusammenarbeit mit seinen ausserirdischen Freunden und Lehrerinnen erst ermöglichte.
The specific development and learning of the consciousness-control abilities was and is one of those important prerequisites for him, this a fulfillment of his mission as well as the cooperation and help of his extraterrestrial friends and teachers.

Hierin unterscheidet sich BEAM wesentlich von den vermeintlich Erleuchteten und Gurus der zahlreichen Sekten und Religionen.
Here, BEAM essentially differs from the allegedly seers and gurus of the numerous sects and religions.

Im Gegensatz zu ihnen hat er es nicht nötig, seine einzigartigen Fähigkeiten vor einem grossem Publikum zur Schau zu stellen oder sich mit aufsehenerregenden Attraktionen, Kartenspielereien und Gauklertricks einen Namen zu machen. Er ist nicht daran interessiert als Wunder- und Geistheiler in die Geschichte einzugehen oder eine Berühmtheit zu werden.
In contrast to them, he doesn't hold it necessary to place his unique abilities in front of a big public to show or pretend with sensational attractions, card-playing and clown tricks, to make a name. He is not interested in it to go down in history as a miracle and spirit healer or to become a celebrity.

Daher dient auch die vorliegende Schilderung nicht der Förderung seiner Bewunderung oder einer Verehrung seiner Person.
Therefore the present portrayal also doesn't serve as support for the admiration or worship of his person.

Vielmehr reiht sie sich in die Kette der Beweisführung seiner einzigartigen Fähigkeiten ein.
Rather, it joins on the chain of the evidence of his unique abilities.

Sie ist Dokumentation und keine Lobeshymne, sie ist eine sachliche Beschreibung und keine Huldigung.
It is documentation and not hymn of praise, it is a factual description and not homage.

Regards
Bob
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Phenix
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Badr,

I hope you are in the best possible state of Spirit, Mind and Body.

I would like to submit a suggestion.

As a new member i am having a difficulty that many other Comrades are likely to have experienced, that is that i frankly do not know from where to begin.
The Teaching of Herr Meier and other materials he provides us with, is so extensive that a certain structure, a systematization, i believe, is necessary so that one could find his way through - specially new comers.
Since i discovered FIGU, i have been jumping up and down, going back and forth(reading some Contact Notes hier, an excerpt from the Spiritual Teachings there; then again listening to one interview somewhere else, going through the Bulletins, a quotation from OM, a paper of Prophecies, another on Overpopulation...) without really grasping the true Essence of it all.
I have understood - and i agree - that we all have our own paths and that the Eternal Truth is that very One each of us finds within himself, by way of carefully listening to and studying his Innermost(and that, i think, is precisely what Herr Meier would like us to do); nevertheless it remains also true that one doesn't always have to invent the bicycle anew - everyone could use some guidance, specially in matters of this order, and then again why not trust in the wisdom and experience of those who, by virtue of being first or of some better methodical predispositions, are having a clearer sight of the Whole?
My idea is twofold(provided such an arrangement doesn't already exist and that i just didn't yet get to the right place):
- to create a page dedicated to the Works of Herr Meier and other authors directly related to the Mission, a kind of Bibliography, a chronology of the written materials.
- to create a page that could support a beginner in his/her quest; let's say a 'Beginners' Spring-board', 'Beginners'Platform', 'Beginners'Corner' or the like, where a new member could find some structure.
Hier could the beginner find things like, for instance:
"We would suggest you to read:
1. Talmud Jmmanuel;
2. Desiderata;
3. Message from the Pleiades;
4. Omefalon Murado;
5. Bulletin 46;
6. And still they fly;
....and so on."

Everyone is of course free to proceed as he/she wants, but i am convinced, upon my own experience, that many out there would appreciate such a subtle guidance.

Salome!
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Jpm
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 06-2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the system is fine, besides, there has to be an element of doubt as to the validity of the case for security reasons.
"if a central truth was a reality at lowly levels of the human-psyche, evolution would not be possible." - JPM
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 273
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings in Peace to you Phenix, and to All - Salome,

You have raised some very important points. Yes, this may all be quite confusing for some persons recently 'discovering' the mission, the teachings, and the HUGE amount of material.

Have you yet been to the website at...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/

And the website at...: http://www.theyfly.com/

There you will find contact notes and bulletins arranged in a "somewhat' logical order. It's not the perfect solution.

What I would like to see, SOMEWHERE, is an INDEX to the material.
A./ Index the contact notes
B./ Index the bulletins
C./ Cross-References within the material resources.

Anyone who has a LOT of free time on their hands (Ha Ha), feel free to start one of these projects.

Salome
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Badr
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Post Number: 413
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 05:12 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Phenix,

What you mentioned is not new; the main problem is no one has the time to do it. Something like this doesn’t need to be done by a moderator or a core group member or a passive member it can be done by anyone. We all have our little roles to play, so why not make this a task for yourself trying to compile something for beginners…

The main issue with something like this is that different people find Billy and FIGU differently, some people through the ufo related info and pics, some are from the contact notes, others from the TJ. So making a document that will satisfy all beginners might be a challenge, as different people like to read and are interested in different things. Some might be interested in the history others in the spiritual information or the scientific, and others about extraterrestrial life forms and so on.

Hey Rod,

Just thought to give you a tip for the bulletin indexing, I had started it a while ago and done a lot, until I realized that it was a waste as since its all in digital format I could just use the word search function on windows, or on FIGU – CH site.

David Chance if I am not mistaken has made an index of the contact notes, but not complete. As for the cross reference why not take the time to do it yourself?

Salome, Badr
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Phenix
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 04:52 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salome J_rod7,

An index would certainly help.
I have indeed 'discoverd' the websites you mentioned; they have both their respective merits - i'm now by Futureofmankind, reading the Contact Notes.

Yes, time is definitely an issue; fortunately we can try again or carry on where we have left it in some future lives - provided we are lucky to remember what we have been doing in this incarnation.

I also noticed, while going through the Contact Notes at the abovementioned website(my German is not good enough to read the originals, but i am working on it), that some substantial mistakes are being made in the translation.
I just wish that the Plejarans had made it easier to Herr Meier by, for instance, also giving the Teaching in each of the mean written Earth languages(languages widely used on all continents, like English, Chinese, Arabic, French, Spanish...), taking into consideration the importance(and maybe urgency) of the Teaching, the resources and possibilities of FIGU and the fact that there is, for the time being, not such a thing as a Common Earth Language.
But hard work and patience are also fundamental virtues, so thanks for your tips and i will be looking forward to feeling your positive vibrations(and those of you all!) today by the Peace Meditation - 20.00 and 21.00 CET here, in Holland, if i am not mistaking.

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Phenix
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 05:32 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salome badr,

Thanks for your answer and suggestions; i would certainly take this challenge as soon as my knowledge and experience are solid enough.

Could we then have such a 'Beginners' corner' on the Discussionboard, where all willing members, old and new alike, could share their experiences, insights and advices regarding FIGU literature?

Looking forward to 'seeing' you today at the Peace Meditation - 20.00 and 21.00 CET in Holland?

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Indi
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Post Number: 230
Registered: 06-2006
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 07:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

there is an index of sorts compiled from Steven's books (with some errors) by Maurice Osborn that he has on his website -- it is quite a good beginning resource -- which I found way back when I first started to read the English material. However, be warned that it has some errors that Dyson and Vivienne drew attention to and had interaction with the author about, which maybe could also be viewed on 'futureofmankind' site.

here is the link for those not already aware of it
to the index (at the end) and the links in the body of the work. Use at your own discretion!

http://www.geocities.com/maurice_osborn/Reports.htm

However, doing searches on all the available sites finds things more quickly -- and especially if you have compiled it all into your own computer so you don't have to be online to access it. This is simple enough to do these days -- just requires a little time.

re an introduction -- there are some books in English available from Michael Horn's site including interview with Billy, with many areas covered, and also a publication in English called '49 questions' which is available from Figu webshop. Between Stevens contact notes (which is also available online if you search) and Guido Moosbruger's book and the other mentioned plus all the other English material available and the websites already known that have material, there is plenty to keep people busy without touching any of the German material.

Once you know what area you are interested in you can then get into the German material on those specific topics.

Robjna
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Phenix
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks a lot, Comrade Indi.

See you at the Peace Meditation!

Salome.
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Syn
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you know...i have been thinking for a long time to compile a website with most of the meier materials with believers and skeptics both at the same corner.

But the last few months i have been busy like mad. Now that i finally have time on my hands i was thinking of launching it. If people would like to join in this project please feel free to email me at lets.do.this at live.ca(stops spam emails..)

I was thinking about doing it in PHP as it would contain a forum and a few minor other details.

If you know any of the following languages/tools then i will be more then happy to aboard you.

PHP
CSS
DHTML
Ajax
Photoshop/PaintShop Pro

Although i have not come up with a name yet nor any REAL concrete plans im open to suggestions.

...Ofcourse this will go in my portfolio :P
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority

-Gerald Massey
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James
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Syn, why don't you use a CMS like Drupal?
Welcome to Earth!
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Syn
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CPM?
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority

-Gerald Massey
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Phenix
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello all.

In the exchange of mails i had yesterday with J_rod7, i expressed the wish that the Teaching were also directly available in other languages, in addition to German.
Well, Comrades, i now know why things are the way they are and that this is for the best: it is all, already and long time ago, fully explained in Contact Report 241 - which report i am reading only now.
Hence my apologies for my premature judgment.

Learning German is indeed a must!

Salome.
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Phenix,

There have been suggested by others, information on "free" translator programs. For reference to these, please see the Forum section >> Learning german.

I cannot vouch for any of these "free" programs; my thinking is 'you get what you pay for.'

I have purchased and installed the "Rosetta Stone" program(s), levels 1,2, and 3. This one IS the best for actually learning the language. Many other languages are also available in this format. These programs cost money, however, but again, you get what you pay for.

Robjna has provided some valuable information, and I will check-out the Osborn site she has referenced.
The link she provided...: http://www.geocities.com/maurice_osborn/Reports.htm

A good all-round book for 'beginners' is: "And Still They Fly", by Guido Moosbrugger, avialable at...: http://www.theyfly.com/

Salome
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Badr
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Post Number: 415
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

can you guys please get back to the topic!
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 277
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello All,

A note on posting website 'links'.

To post a functional link, you can use the 'link button' (found above the message composite space). It's the one between the U and the

At the place you want the link, click one 'space', then click on the link button. A little window opens with = HTTP:// already there, don't erase it.

Then either type-in OR 'copy and paste' the FULL URL, from the www to the end, and click OK. The complete formated link will be at the bottom of your message.

If you need to place it in a different part of your post, simply 'cut and paste' the whole thing where you want it.
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Phenix
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We certainly will, Badr.

Allow me just to thank J_rod7 for his tips and to tell him that i have already placed an order for "And still they fly".
So far, so good, thus.

Salome.

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