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    Markc Member Post Number: 708 Registered: 06-2000 |
That Rakar guy seems to be like so many people ; an armchair critik , happily as the center of his own little intellectual universe , up until the time that he has to move , displaced by future events . The warning won't even come back into his memory , because the brain that hasn't been prepared , won't yield the proper memory . Much like a field and it's crops . Or it will . Mark Campbell | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 07-2008 |
Sincere apologies, Scott; i am not much of a technician. I take good notice. Could you, if possible, then remove the text from Dyson? - [...] Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Markc, You wrote: "That Rakar guy seems to be like so many people ; an armchair critik , happily as the center of his own little intellectual universe , up until the time that he has to move , displaced by future events . The warning won't even come back into his memory , because the brain that hasn't been prepared , won't yield the proper memory . Much like a field and it's crops. Or it will ." I suspect that there is some misunderstanding here. I use the name RAKAR at Project Avalon. Which warning are you talking about? Which criticism? What does this have to do with the topic at hand here? Salome. | ||
Zohan Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hi All, Does anyone know who are the people behind http://semjasebluestar.tripod.com website. Or has this been discussed before? It seems someone is throwing stones to Billy without any kind of proof. Saalome | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 08-2007 |
Zohan, Given how often she mentions 'Reptilians', much the same Way that Christians teach of Satan and his Demons who are supposed to be everywhere and responsible for all Evil, and yet Christianity is itself a Satanic Religion worshipping The One Who Does Not Exist, coupled with the Fact that she claims to fly in Bio-Organic Flight Objects and be Interdimensional, I would say that she is the 'Reptilian' or Mind-Controlled Slave of the CIA, or George H.W. Bush sitting behind a Laptop in Cancun. Take your pick. 'Her' Information is horrendously false and insulting to all Honour and Dignity. She even lists Criteria for being a 'Starseed', which are factually almost all Symptoms of heavy MONARCH Programming (CIA Mind-Control) under the Staged Alien Invasion Program, Greenstar. Think of why someone like Cathy O'Brien would have an Aversion to bright unnatural Lighting or would create fantastical imaginary Inner Worlds populated by Aliens, or think that one has been abducted by 'Aliens' (Military Personel), have Missing Time, &c (!!!) Salome, - Matthew | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2008 |
I don't know Phenix , are you a moderator now ? | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 07-2008 |
Ich empfehle mich Ihnen herzlich, Kameraden, on this Day of great Hope - due to the Difference in Time i stayed awake the whole Night, following the US Elections. Kamerad Markcampbell, In your Post 14, you asked: "I don't know Phenix , are you a moderator now ?" No, i am not a Moderator. And i frankly do not know how i would fullfil such a Function; i am indeed an average PC User. With enough Commitment and Exercises, one could of course learn the Job, but i have all Reason to believe that the Forum, if Need be, could easily find a more suitable Candidate among our Members. PS: In case you were referring to the Exchange we had, beginning with Post 708 of Member Markc(the same Member?), i would be glad to further discuss that Issue - which, in my View, is not quite relevant here - in private. Here is my Email: aepsilonm@hotmail.com Salome. Adam. | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hello everyone; my experiences with telling others about Billy Meier is currently quite small. When I found out about the Billy Meier case in October 2007, I showed my dad two documentaries: Contact then sometime in January 2008 I showed him The Silent Revolution of Truth. I only showed my dad because only he in my family could have reacted properly and understood the meaning of what I was showing him. But my dad didn't understand it and his response was that he doesn't care about it, however a tiny amount of interest in regard to Billy Meier and the thought of extraterrestrial people was sparked in his mind. I haven't told any of my friends about Billy Meier yet, however I have talked about life and things about the universe to them, and their responses show they have no personal interest, but just think I'm real smart. My most recent experience about such things is when I did my final English assignment of grade 12 a week ago which was about Philosophy, and I highly surprised my English teacher (it was slightly different to anything a student had ever written). He actually told me to write more after I handed it in, so I did, however only a paragraph more. I like it how I have found out about Billy Meier and FIGU and have become familiar with everything related to FIGU, because it has been highly helpful to me. My "teethingness" in regard to the development of my consciousness with knowledge and wisdom about life, nature, the universe, reality etc. was fixed soon after I found about this late last year. By the way if anyone here wants to contact me, my email and MSN is: marksmanr@hotmail.com Saalome, Reece. Reece Stiller | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi Marksmanr I know exactly what you’re talking about. The information goes into one ear and out of the other. It is a shame, because the people I’ve tried informing, don’t understand how it can benefit themselves on a wider scale. Sometimes they even become downright aggressive, or should I say defensive. The importance of Meiers information is incomprehensible to them. They don’t realize the truth is infinitely more valuable than gold, or any other material possession. 1. Recently I’ve started posting on a local atheist blog here in South Africa about the Meier case, and as expected, they reacted super aggressively, especially this one guy. Nothing of what I point out, everything that I refer to automatically, becomes untrustworthy, or not Scientifically plausible. Really, this guy is quite a handful, This is his first reaction to info I posted of what Billy thinks of religion: 1. The broken and nonsensical fragments you quote occur under the subheading “Semjase’s Explanation” at the Chazzsongs UFOs / Aliens blogspot The Billy Meier Story entry. This Semjase is supposedly an alien hailing from some planet in or near the Pleiades. And so it is quite clear that this incoherent hooey you brought up is meaningful only insofar as it seeks to replace old age religious bunkum with New Age mystical baloney. I reacted with a classic(Michael Horn) quote: Unfortunately, you fall into the category of the pathetic skeptics who fail to offer any credible substantiation for their claims against the case and its evidence. And from there it just went downhill. But I managed to draw quite a few people into all of this, one of them being quite important, he used to be Professor and Head of the postgraduate Department of Journalism at Stellenbosch University in the Western Cape. He is a well known person, for his input in the most famous newspaper in this province of South Africa. Is it true that even negative attention, will ultimately be beneficial for the spreading of Billy’s information, because the guy, that I quoted just now, seems to have made it his responsibility to passionately appose and disrespect everything about the Meier case? | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2008 |
Might I interject here Jacobus? I hear your concern and I think that going public in this way does more harm than good. the more that skeptics are able to create distortions of what the Plejaren teach, the more of an uphill battle we will have trying to diffuse the damage when new minds do come our way. the less critical material that is out there when new people come looking in this direction, the easier it will be for them to see the logic and truth in the teachings. However I do not know how that helps us get the message out there in the first place. I have to believe that as minds and spirits evolve and seeek after creational truth that they will find their way simply by following the truths they recognize through their evolved logic ability to recognize truth. Therefore as long as have the truth available here, they will find it, and they are the ones that we want to find it. those who merely seek to destroy the truth we would rather hide from anyway because there is no rationalizing or reasoning with them. Edward "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Friends, When I was new to this material I was guarded about it for good reason. I have had some success with people when my approach was from the realization that, although I am totally convinced, I could not prove that any of this is absolutely, court of law type, provable. So if you can get a person to accept and openly acknowledge that premise that most of what they believe, assume or know in their deepest parts of themselves to be true is beyond their capabilities to prove to another person then you may have someone that can begin intelligent discussion with. One of my son's is very involved with the never ending creation vs evolution debate. From his desire to explore both sides of that issue he has also ventured into the wide world of conspiracy, mainly in regard, but not limited to, the USA Gov't and worldwide banking, I was able to approach him with questions and curiosity for his opinion rather than a barrage of evidence to try to convince him as that wasn't possible unless he is willing to be open minded and really want to know the truth. One question that I asked him was this. Based on your study of human nature and related probabilities of how a person will react given the opportunity to benefit personally by making a few adjustments to the truth, would he do it. Then when his obvious answer was affirmative that it was very likely, I proceeded to lay out the scenario of the early christian church and their formulation of the bible as we know of it today in some part. Then the question, do you think it's possible that the scribes of that time could have made changes to benefit themselves? I had to leave it alone for a while with him to process that because he got quiet and I knew that it was time to stop. Recently after some months we talked again and after that he wanted to see James Deardorff's site comparing the Talmud to Matthew so I emailed him the link and that was that was a week ago so this will continue as long as he allows it. I do think that the most success that is possible is to work with people one on one to find out how open they are with some of the right type of questions before ever revealing your position. People love to give their point of view and by asking them what they think the truth is you can find out a great deal about them and how they might be able to handle some thing as monumental as the MEIER material. | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2006 |
I agree with you 100% Pathfinder, why present knowledge to those who are not ready for it yet? But what I’ve done so far shouldn’t be viewed as exclusively destructive. The thing is, who knows how many people will out of curiosity follow the discussion taking place, and make their own conclusions based on the information presented? If only 1 percent take the necessary steps to properly investigate and find the affective truth in the teachings presented by Billy, I would say that the effort was well worth it. My motivation is not to make them believe in the Meier info, my mission, is to firstly make them aware. Draw attention by creating a disturbance, and then nail them with the harsh words of the knowledgeable one. That I believe is better than counting my fingers to be honest. But who ever said it was gonna be easy? Rooibeard, I hope your efforts bare fruit. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2008 |
Jacobus, I would never suggest that your efforts were destructive, please forgive my even sounding that way. I admire anyone that strives to make this world a better place and applaud your efforts. we are discussing the overall affect and efforts which may be more suitable to accomplishing our goal more efficiently. please continue with determination and I am certain we will find ways to reach them that will get around the barriers, but if we just give up those walls will never come down. I think we need to make sure the walls come down for those who come searching, while at the same time remain up for our own protection and theirs while they come. That will be the trick. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2006 |
“Finally truth will be victorious, even though it must be secured through great struggles, as it has been written in the Scriptures, which say that the truth will provoke a worldwide catastrophe. However, truth is required and must no longer be silenced.” Man, I seriously need to get my hands on the The Talmud of Jmmanuel I sometimes ask myself, what would the world be like if the “agressor gene” was neutralised, if religion in a flash was erased from peoples minds, if all the people in an instant recognised the importance of the spiritual teachings and realised the urgency to depopulate our planet? It is good to see that drop for drop the scales are tipping, that the truth is reaching the receptive, but the tide of the ocean doesn’t change instantaneously. I’m so impatient. I can’t wait to see people of all skin colours communicating, speaking collectively as equals, realising that deep down we are, part of the same spirit. As you said, Pathfinder,“Discussing the overall affect and efforts which may be more suitable to accomplishing our goal more efficiently” is a worth while way of looking at things. To have a good understanding of how human nature works, psychologically, must be a good ally, something that I still have a lot to learn about. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2008 |
Don't we all Jacobus. If we don't learn, we don't evolve, and I do not want to waste incarnations. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2006 |
True. | ||
Davidmg New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2008 |
Jacobus - re: post 20 You are at the beginning of what many people are feeling when they want to share in the mission. It seems, that, when someone is angry he may have some how subconsciously found truth in what he has heard, and therefore has not been able to reason and come to terms with what you have said. If someone has been so blind and misled by lies for so many years sure enough, there will often be anger and dis-belief before there is acceptance. But, it will take him just once to figure out one small part of the truth. And once he has accepted the facts through process and elimination of false information it will be hard for him to resist the next question. May I suggest that instead of telling him the truth, which, he may resist ,show him how to find answers. Pick one good question that makes him think. Mis-information has been deeply embedded for many of us for generations. People may refuse to listen after the first attempt and it will not be easy for anyone whom wishes to share. Remember, like a child he is, a start of a new mind needs to develop and take in for himself the experiences of new ideas and challenges, and it will take time. The mission dose not give us all the answers, it teaches how to think. And through Billy's teachings and our self realisation he will shed his mental chains and feel the beautiful release of knowledge. This person that you have known to be the most difficult may and up to be your greatest achievement, if that is your goal. But remember, it is his choice. Best of luck | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 09-2007 |
My experience is quite mixed. I do not push anything, because I have learned that does not give the wished result. The best way is to just tell something interesting by "accident" and let they who are interested to work for themselves by making questions and let them search. The best reward is through own work, efforts and experience. To push or be too loud, is more counterproductive, because anything which can be regarded as force, even in slightest manner, may frighten people off. It should be enough to direct people in a smooth and almost silent manners to this website for let them find out themselves. I do react in the same manner myself. In Sweden, one have to be particularly cautious from being pushing because the counter-reactions are clearly obvious. Here, people can speak in silence with just small slight, hardly seen facial expressions without any words. Maybe, it is the same way of communication in Japan too. Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 05-2008 |
I'm sure someone posted this link before but I'll repost it as it pertains precisely to the title of this thread. For those who haven't yet seen it or a refresher for those who have. And particularly for those who view themselves as a vessel of dissemination for the Teachings of Spirit, Life, Truth, etc .. "How Can We Enable Ourselves to Spread the Teaching of Spirit, the Teaching of Life and the Teaching of Truth?" http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash94/Lecture_for_GA_for_MH.pdf | ||
Gordonb Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2008 |
Hi everyone, With regard to "telling others about Mr Meier". Im in the Air force (for my sins lol), We have a Padre on our camp and whilst chatting about religion one day I thought I would give him some “food for thought”, so to speak. I told him of a book im currently reading called the Talmud of Jmmanuel, and that he would like it as it would challenge his thinking of religious matters. He has bought this book now and after a few weeks we were chatting, he said that he enjoyed the book because, and I quote, “He suddenly realised that maybe things in the bible weren’t so straight and true and once he thought”. We will see what he thinks in a few weeks after he finished the whole book. Maybe we have a scored a small victory in true thinking eh? Gordon UK "I try my best to do a good deed every day" Salom. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1667 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Gordon, For him to even consider some of the information in the Talmud is quite astounding! Thank you. Scott | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2008 |
Bingo ! Nicely done , Gordon . Regards , Mark | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 05-2008 |
Yeah Gordo .. most Padres I've come across reject it sight unseen. They like to lump it in the 'gnostic' camp, so they can then dismiss it. |
