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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 1411 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, There seems to be one thing being neglected which contributes to the longevity of the human being. That is the spirit which powers the body. The spirit has a natural cycle in which it is immersed in the psychical world. At some point it must return to the fine matter world and rest just as Creation does. Regards Scott | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello, Regarding the spiritual and technical developments, we have to consider another point which did not seem to appear in this current discussion. Th current Human beings average utilization of the Brain power divided between the material and spiritual averages 14%. There also was a quote saying that each additional one percent requires 1000 years of natural non disturbed development of a civilization. If the human is to reach the highest material state possible , then you must be using 100% for your designated brain potential. That will require 86,000 years of uninterrupted development. For that reason the 30 million years in spiritual advance could make sense that it took actually that long for the Plejarans to reach near the maximum of brain utilization, considering the ups and downs of typical civilizations, and the resulting time lost . When comparing it with technological advance, we must note that it is a completely different scale. When they have achieved null time transportation throughout the cosmos, how much more technical advance can you achieve alone that is not spiritually connected ? The technical advance will reach a limit beyond which the developments are mostly in the realm of fine matter ( which is basically sub, sub atomic levels ). There is no way a civilization can further advance to the semi spitiual semi material beings before using 100 % of brain potential. So the next stage can be understood as the stage where you have have an overflow of well above the 100% level, where the brain energy will no longer we confined to the coarse matter body. Perhaps that will help explain the discrepancy in numbers. Salome Mohammed | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 06-2006 |
Mohammed, just one small point in your post: For that reason the 30 million years in spiritual advance could make sense that it took actually that long for the Plejarans to reach near the maximum of brain utilization, considering the ups and downs of typical civilizations, and the resulting time lost . I was reading an article in Wissenwertes No.4, where brain quotients were being discussed, separately to the info in Guido's book. In this article the cerebral/brain quotients of Jmmanuel, the Plejaren and earth people in general were given. Jmmanuel's approx. 2000 yrs ago, was at 23%. The Plejaren are at 27% Av. earth person at 11-14.5% Re Jmmanuel -- if the capacity of Jmmanuel was 23% during that incarnation, then if the already mentioned rate of evolution of 1% per thousand years (which could be considered the fastest rate of evolution likely and not that common) then, that cerebral/brain quotient would now be 25%. So, it would be safe to say, that the cerebral/brain quotient of Billy Meier stands at approx 25% -- only 2% less than the JHWH/Plejaren. I get the impression from other things I have read that not all the Plejaren people are at this level, but that the JHWH definitely are. The earth people, due to their stagnation, have only increased their cerebral/brain quotient by .5% in the past 3,500 yrs, which shows the slow progress compared to what is possible. It was also pointed out that the reason the Plejaren are only at 27% is because of the stagnation that they also went through for 22 million years, when they were at 25% capacity. It was only 2000 yrs ago, that they rid themselves of this stagnation, thus adding the 2% in the past 2000 yrs. The article then goes on to discuss the ratio of brain to spiritual evolution and gives some figures to show, as in Guido's book. Robjna | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 337 Registered: 06-2005 |
Reading the above posts I remembered that Billy is writing Spiritual Teachings for the Plejarens. I may be wrong but wouldn't this mean that he is far more evolved than they are and not just by 2%? And his Spirit goes back as far as Nokodemjon so wouldn't this fact make him wiser still?. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Melli Billy's material consciousness level as designated by cerebral quotient is 2% higher than the Plejaren level, however, his spirit/spiritform had reached the Arahat Athersata level -- this means that Billy has access to much higher levels of knowledge. 2% is no small amount though -- it equates to around 2 thousand full non-stagnating years of evolution/experience/wisdom, which is likely to give someone an edge in the very least :-) Robjna | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 06-2006 |
Shouldn't Billy's spirit form be evolving at a much faster rate then everyone else in universe if it using/has high level AA knowledge stored in its storage banks? Shouldn't Billy rate be going on more then 1% per thousand years? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Alan Shouldn't Billy's spirit form be evolving at a much faster rate then everyone else in universe if it using/has high level AA knowledge stored in its storage banks? Shouldn't Billy rate be going on more then 1% per thousand years? to answer that question, what you need to do is firstly answer the question clearly to yourself, as to how the spirit grows in power. If you can find that answer, then it will all fall into place. Robjna | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1445 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please lets back to the topic, this thread has gone way off course-Thanks Scott | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 06-2006 |
sorry scott, just to end. Hi Robjna, gotcha, from making mistakes!   | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2006 |
Need to discuss the Great Spacer as an example of their technical advancement. salome mohammed | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Mohammed, and Greetings to All in Peace, The best documentation of the Great-Spacer is in the 31st Contact on the date of 17 July 1975. However, this specific contact 31 was omitted from the list at www.futureofmankind.co.uk/ Since this is a very long section (as printed in Vol. I of Message From the Pleiades), is probably why it was left out of the list. (The following link is found at the end of the contact lists at Future of Mankind. And a big -Thank You- to James T Moore for providing this information.) I did find a summary of this contact on the website at: http:///www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Cnotes.html > "Earth humans are at the very beginning of space exploration Pleiadians/Plejaren - their technologies are thousands of years in advance of Earth technologies > Meier becomes anxious at the sight of the humans squeezed into the tiny space capsules [viewing the Apollo-Soyuz docking. Rod]; this is due to some experience in a past life; Stevens annotation #5, "Meier's former life experience as a Plejaren cosmonaut, after that he incarnated as one of the prophets in the Old Testament" [Henok ?] > Meier & Semjase take photos of the Apollo-Soyuz docking procedure; afterwards Meier will be allowed to take photos of different Earth satellites and extraterrestrial satellites; after that they travel to the "great-spacer" spaceship stationed in the SOL system and then travel to other systems, partly for a mission of Semjase > Beamship - peculiar-shaped chair, very accommodating & comfortable - Meier's comfortable & familiar feelings about being in space > As they approach the great-spacer Meier notices a formation of several luminous lens-shaped ships, one of which performs a somersault as he takes a photo of it > Great-spacer spaceship - a huge sphere the size of a small planet (Stevens annotation, "17 kilometers"); in the lower third there is an entrance hatch/hangar (which seems to take up the whole lower section of the great-spacer with a height of 600-800 meters) in which are innumerable beamships the same as Semjase's, only a 100x100 meter square space is cleared; bright light inside the great-spacer appears "a bit blue" and seems to come out of the glass-clear walls, behind which are the innumerable beamships; many people occupy themselves with the beamships, including "some kind of robots"; beyond the many beamships are larger beamships Meier had not seen before. > The great-spacer contains all technologies known to the Pleiadians/Plejaren; contains 144,000 inhabitants; everything needed for daily living can be produced inside the ship; great-spacer has only been in use 4 years; able to negotiate "the barrier between Universes" > Meier questions Semjase on how she knows Asket - she's aware of his contacts with Asket directly from her & knows about his time travel into the past through which Meier "became healed from all heresies" regarding religions > Meier given permission to publish his Asket contact reports Asket - after ending contact with Meier in India in 1964, she contacted the High Council & obtained their cooperation. > With the help of her people from the DAL Universe, the Pleiadians/Plejaren obtained higher technological abilities for hyperspace travel, which the DALs have used for 700+ years; Asket's race is 350 years ahead of the Pleiadians/Plejaren in technological development; they transmitted to the Pleiadians/Plejaren the cognitions to construct the great-spacers. > After entering the great-spacer, Semjase & Meier leave her ship after awhile "because the room is atmospherically balanced & prepared", exit by a transport beam out of the hatch onto the metal floor of the great-spacer. Semjase uses "a small thing in her hand" to open an entranceway in the transparent walls Small vehicle the size of a Volkswagen [Beetle] that floats 20 centimeters off the floor, equipped with very comfortable seats: Ceiling of the hangar area also radiates a soft-blue light, looks like a sky; in the center is a hole/shaft ("transport pit") which also radiates the soft-blue light > Semjase & Meier in the floating vehicle float up through the shaft about 11,000 meters to another area near the center of the ship, 100x100 meters diameter, with green fields, trees, bushes & flowers and a town; park area has "artificial soil or similar", flowers with strange blossoms & scents and bushes & trees like on Earth > Another transport pit with another floating vehicle is within the park area of the great-spacer which leads to the control center in a cupola at the top of the great-spacer; as they travel up through the pit there appears to be the vast open sky with stars; the IHWH leader of the great-spacer is in the control center. > Great-spacer, cupola's cockpit control center - several kilometers in diameter; walls/ceiling of a metal alloy made to appear transparent by radiations from on-board apparatus, making open space/sky visible; desk-like formations with apparatus & screens, people and androids operating them; middle of the command center contains a 1 meter high horseshoe-shaped formation the size of an average room, completely covered with apparatus & picture screens Ptaah - Semjase's father, looks to be 70-75 years old; speaks to Meier in German (as Semjase does); his name is the same as one of his ancestors, an IHWH who lived on Earth, his wife was Basth. > Meier - speaks a little English and modern Greek; he & Ptaah then speak in modern Greek without the translator apparatus as Ptaah has also mastered modern Greek Apparatus - language-transformer, language pattern converter, used by Ptaah when he first spoke with Meier because Ptaah did not know German Great-spacer control console - one instrument shows the velocity of the ship Pleiadians/Plejaren - symbols & unit of measure Apparatus - language-former (different from the language translator), begins the operation of the great-spacer's language computer "Transmit" - another term for "time traveling" > Hyper-leap - during the transmission from one system to another (hyper-leap), Meier hears "a tone, a very soft & calming singing of metal" and feels "a great tranquility inside" himself; the great-spacer's hyper-leap takes them 500 light years from Earth to near the Pleiades/Plejades (211 million kilometers from the nearest star) > Great-spacer needs a security distance of 153 million kilometers to transmit/time-travel Photo-shielding screen apparatus brought from Semjase's ship to the control center by an android so Meier can take photos through the great-spacer's cupola Android - speaks to Meier, wishing him success with the photo device & pictures; it thinks & acts independently (highly developed); its body construction is half organic, its brain is chemical Hyper-leap - next hyper-leap to the Orion Nebula (1,800 light years from Earth) Meier again feels a deep tranquility and a sense of timelessness Hyper-leap - next hyper-leap to the Crab Nebula, a star/sun that was destroyed 1000 years ago when it changed to a supernova; distance from earth is 3,150 light years: > During this hyper-leap Meier has realizations about being transformed into a fine-matter body for a few seconds Hyper-leap - next hyper-leap to the Horsehead Nebula, 1,810 light years from Earth: Hyper-leap - next hyper-leap to the Trifid Nebula: During this hyper-leap Meier realizes that time plays a part in his inability to come to deeper understandings of their moments in timelessness; Ptaah says this can be remedied by doing a time-travel into the future; detailed explanation given about the effects & the specifics; "A single second in the timeless amounts to many millions of years in normal space"; these aspects of travel in the timeless are still mysteries to the Pleiadians/Plejaren Hyper-leap - next hyper-leap to the "IHWH-HATA" ("Eye of God"), the Ring Nebula of Lyra M57, about 5,600 light years away, the original home of the human race, now "a symbol of wicked thirst for power & ambition, a symbol of hate, destruction & human delusion" [see Contact 30]: Hyper-leaps - a series of several hyper-leaps, 20 seconds apart, giving Meier a brief time to photograph; they visit the Omega Nebula M17 M16 Dumbbell Nebula M27 Planetary nebula NGC 6781 Helix Nebula NGC 7293 Globular cluster NGC 7089 Helix Nebula & NGC 7089 are both in the Aquarius constellation, NGC 7089 being @47,000 light years from Earth > Last hyper-leap for the day to the Andromeda system, @2.2 million light years from Earth; after which they will begin the hyper-leap to the Universal Barrier, during which they will give Meier an opportunity to experience 7 minutes in the timeless: During this hyper-leap Meier observes himself and notices for a split second he can not see his body Pleiadians/Plejaren space/time travel - "Distances are no problem for us, and we can unhesitatingly jump anywhere back and forth through space, and don't have to do this in any sequence." > Great leap (hyper-leap) - jump 7 minutes into the "eternity"; feelings & sensations at that time are different than in normal material life; Pleiadians/Plejaren unable to receive Meier's thoughts & feelings at that time Pleiadians/Plejaren - need technical assistance for "true word repeats" of what has been thought and/or said Apparatus - booths near the screens in the control center which "are equipped with all necessary means to store up feelings & thoughts"; thought impulses stored in a special computer from which they can later be repeated word for word; helmet, shapeable & adaptable in size, equipped with very fine sondes (probes) & a "fine-meshed net of sondes which pick up every kind of energy & transforms it into impulses which are then transmitted to the computer"; "the energy of thoughts & feelings is measured in very high values" and "exist only in very high frequency fields (hyperfrequencies)"; Meier sits in chair, places his head under the helmet cap which adapts itself automatically to his head, closes around his whole head leaving the face open, 1 and 1/2 centimeters between his skull and the helmet Hyper-leap, Meier's ecstatic experience "inside the timelessness" - sky/stars change "in a fraction of a second they are nothing more than a whitish milky mass, a shining mass", then there is darkness, then "all is merging into a golden color, and now everything is like silver...everything is merged into glistening light"; feelings of tranquility & peace, all encompassing love, "I am eternity, and I am inside of eternity", "loving voices calling for me", "I can't see myself", etc.; Semjase explains "under no circumstances or conditions are we allowed or able to remain, until we have reached that level of consciousness"; Semjase embraces Meier to stabilize him after the hyper-leap > Caltos - last star in the space Meier/Pleiadians/Plejaren were traveling in; twice as large as SOL 5 "blue stars" beyond Caltos, actually 11 stars, self-radiant; photos taken; life (even spiritual forms of life) are rarely possible on these stars with a few exceptions of creatures no bigger than 70 centimeters; "not all creatures breathe oxygen like ourselves & Earth humans" << These short excerpts from the Brinkster summary really do not do true justice to the original version in Contact 31, but may serve as a good starting point for discussion. I have also found information that the Plejarens have built a number of these Great-Spacers, in order to maintain communication, peace, and security throughout the far-flung Federation. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2006 |
Rod, I have read the 31st Contact in Vol 1 form Message from the Pleiades. There one could see one of the rare pictures taken near Jupiter. Wendel did show a diagram if the great Spacer in side and top views pp 410-411. If we could ask about the exact diameters of the three spheres given as 6 km and the connecting shafts between the three spheres and the big central sphere given as 17.182 Km, in addition to the long upper shaft leading to the control center, an accurate model could be produced. It is interesting that most of the films taken were never given back to Billy under the pretext that they were ruined. Could that be a coverup to the most important pictures confiscated by the intelligence services? Were the time travels to Jmmanuels time done with this world ship or using the regular saucer shaped craft ? How was it possible to talk to Jmmanuel ? It made me remember what we have in Islam as the day Mohammed was taken to the heavens to meet a number of older prophets in the different layers of the heavens, using the BURAQ spacecraft in less than one whole day ! If we can justify that in a logical scientific way, then we could understand all previous and similar events in History with other prophets. Salome Mohammed | ||
Faerast New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2008 |
hi,every one I have a few questions for a about in 1978 plejaren arrest bafath in giza Pyramid. I want to know How plejaren able to arrest them? Use what type of weapon to arrest them? Do you have information for about this question. because I search so many website but I can¡¦t find the answer, can you help me to find it. Thank you Hope you have a nice and happy every day. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Faeast, Contact 102, Sejase Contact page 115 Book 3 contains the story you seek... I would suggest purchasing it in German and translating on your own to get correct accurate information... Add 10CHF for shipping and handling. Here is the link: http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=36 These books are a joy to read... Take your time... | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2008 |
Do the Plejarens wear some kind of belt or special clothing to get from one place to another on their home planet, like teleportation? | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 04-2007 |
i noticed lately that most of your questions that your asking joe can be found in the book called and they still fly...buy it, i did and it is the best book i currently own. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 541 Registered: 07-2004 |
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Faerast Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi, every one I very want to know How is semjase doing now? is she recover her health in the accident? I very wish her have a good health and happy every day  and I also want to know did plejarens friend like to see the earth movie? thank you and have a happy day | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1262 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Faerast.... Semjase is doing fine, the last I read. [Please utilize the Search Engine; has been discussed, in the past.] She is living in the DAL universe now, for many decades, and has achieved her status/title of Jschrjsch/IHRH, now. An excellent recovery, not? Edward. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2008 |
Do the Plejarens have the capability of analysing us even when we're indoors? | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 04-2007 |
if they can disappear or time travel im sure they can see through a wall... They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 650 Registered: 10-2007 |
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Badr Moderator Post Number: 469 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Joe, Just a little side note for you to consider, you seem to have a lot of questions. But are you really learning something from it? Most if not all questions are about the Plejaren, why not start reading and asking about the message of the mission itself? Instead of the humans that helped Billy in the mission. Don't usually bother with such questions, but will help you with your question this time. There are limits, in a Bulletin of last year, from an excerpt of the Contact Notes, one of the Plejaren (don't remember who) most probably was Ptaah said to Billy that they are unable to see into some of the research labs around the planet because the concrete walls are too thick. So I would assume that includes analyzing us. Peace |
