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    Syn Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 04-2007 |
dude final fantasy always been like that, ff2, ff3, ff7, ff8, ff9, ff10. its somewhat their genetic theme. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 470 Registered: 12-2004 |
Please get back to the topic. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Rod, Thank you for asking member Behzad to assist me with the translation of the petition for overpopulation. Your initiatives are quite pronounced and very much appreciated. Slaome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Behzad, Salaam and thank you for offering to proofread my translation. As my sister was visiting me this last week, she recommended; www.behnevis.com Check it out if you have not already. It is a Farsi software that is quite user friendly. This way I can write the translation in correctable Farsi format instead of using the scanner which is a mere photo of my hand written translation thus difficult to change. I am preparing it tonight and will have it ready and posted by tomorrow. Meanwhile, I can email you the scanned one if you are interested. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hello Creational Thank you for trying to translate the very urgent call/petition in overpopulation to Persian. I saw www.behnevis.com , and as you see, it is only for changing Farsi texts from English letters to Farsi indeed we need to correct the dictation and writing style in the text converted after that. my e mail: Behzad.baharmast@gmail.com welcome Salome Friends | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 471 Registered: 12-2004 |
Creational and Behzad, How many times do I need to ask you guys to stick to the topic? Peace | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Badr, I apologize, but I have just realized this is the wrong miscellaneous section, since I was responding; but the explanation is not meant as an excuse. I will be more carefull next time. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 747 Registered: 10-2000 |
I found out today that I will be interviewed by George Noory on C2C (www.coasttocoastam.com) this coming Monday night, from 11:00 PM - 2:00 AM (PST). I plan on staying awake for most of it, hope you can listen. Michael Horn | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2007 |
Michael, Thanks for the update. That's good news. I plan on listening until you start to snore. | ||
Justin_vernon New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings all ;) I have a question on the wedding cake craft and I am hoping someone may have some wisdom to share on it. Regarding the clip where Billy zooms in on the craft as it's parked next to the tree......has there ever been given a technical description of how the craft was able to sit like that totally rock solid, without a whisper of movement? Thanks! Justin NYC | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1701 Registered: 12-1999 |
Justin, It would seem the laws of gravity were somehow neutralized to allow the ship to hover. If I recall there was movie/video taken by Billy which actually showed this craft in movement, but somehow this footage disappeared from Billy's possession. Regards Scott | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 614 Registered: 03-2004 |
In regards to the ships, it was mentioned that the stable movements and hovering are in fact the normal mode for the ships, while the wobbly bobbing motions in the films were executed because of the way Earth people respond. It was found that when the general population saw the wobbling bobbing movements they responded more favorably in some way so this was done intentionally. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 09-2007 |
Hi Ramirez, all I have considered this issue of polygamy and found that its allowance can be logically justified as a factor which improves the genetic pool of the whole population (the “race”). This happens because the individuals with the best genetic characteristics (assuming here that the “best genetic characteristics” are factors which lead men to have more wives) produce more offspring than the rest. This is made possible by polygamy, but not by polyandry (a woman with multiple husbands). A woman can only have a certain number of pregnancies, no matter how many sexual partners she has. It’s better for “the race” if she chooses the best one and procreates only with him. In response to Ramirez’s concern in the “Kelch Der Wahreit” section: the father doesn’t have to financially support his families. There is no money on Erra. David | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 424 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi David and Ramirez, The father doesn't have to "financially" support his families; but a man must still show he can support and provide for his multiple wives before he is allowed them. Chris | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2008 |
Borthwey. Thankyou. It does make sense in one regard that males with superior genes should procreate and society be arranged in such fashion as to facilitate this. Social benefits arising from a gradual boost to the genetic balance sheets are more than an abstract concept. Off course those of a lower or judged to be defective genetic line might have little place in the brave new world depending on who is in charge. Hitler had ideas on eugenics and that's the great danger. There are those with similar ideas lurking about the sidelines waiting for the right crisis. You might consider this genetic quandry. You have someone who can barely dress & feed themselves needing 24/7 care. You have someone belonging to a socially superior family pedigree who over the years has pocketed billions of dollars from his now failed investment bank which it seems existed based on fraud, deceit, insider trading, lies, manipulation, bribery. So who would you sterilize first ? Polygamy seems little more than providing alpha male beacon types with a harem of breeding hens so that society might benefit from a gradually enhanced genetic pool. Great for creating large family clans. What about the quality of family life on an individual basis though? That's my point. How much love by example through interactions with the mother, attention, guidance, quality time at home can one superman busy servicing his 3 wives give to all those children on a personal level. Eugenics is fine till the MIB come knocking on your door asking you to accompany them to the clinic for a short painless procedure. No money on Era .... hooray. Yes I'm aware they have a sensible system not based on greed & corruption. Money is actually neutral. How it's used by whom for what purpose becomes the problem. As for Goblet Of Truth. What exists on Era is way different to here. I know they would like to steer this place towards becoming similar & somewhat compatible so that down the line open contact would become possible. You might take a look at Michelle Obama. She's quite impressive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=790hG6qBPx0 So how would she & the girls react if Barack announced he was visiting the expert psychologists to obtain permission for acquiring an extra 2 wives ? Look around you at the cultures accomodating polygamy. Where do they stand on the path to enlightenment ?  One camel two goats for your daughter. No No two camels. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 09-2007 |
Ramirez: “You might consider this genetic quandry. You have someone who can barely dress & feed themselves needing 24/7 care. You have someone belonging to a socially superior family pedigree who over the years has pocketed billions of dollars from his now failed investment bank which it seems existed based on fraud, deceit, insider trading, lies, manipulation, bribery. So who would you sterilize first ?” Selective sterilization in the moulds that you suggest is not practiced by the Plejaren. FIGU suggests it only when someone has voluntarily exceeded her allowed births, or as part of the punishment for certain crimes. “Money is actually neutral. How it's used by whom for what purpose becomes the problem.” That’s true, but in Erra there is no need for money. One is only required to perform two hours of manual work each day. Functions such as art producing or spiritual leadership are performed voluntarily, besides these two mandatory hours. I find it very likely that even this manual work could be performed by androids, but that this rule is simply meant to promote the psychological well being of the inhabitants. ”Polygamy seems little more than providing alpha male beacon types with a harem of breeding hens so that society might benefit from a gradually enhanced genetic pool. Great for creating large family clans. What about the quality of family life on an individual basis though? That's my point. How much love by example through interactions with the mother, attention, guidance, quality time at home can one superman busy servicing his 3 wives give to all those children on a personal level.” The “harem of breeding hens” analogy I could find somewhat appropriate, but not the “superman” one, if the following is considered: - Their amount of free time. - The fact that, unlike here and even if he had nine children from three wives, the father could give full attention and care to the childhood and youth of each one of them by simply having them at different times during his 1000 years life. - That their level of spiritual advancement is way past jealousy (I suppose), and no one would have another wife if the existent one felt betrayed as a consequence. “I know they would like to steer this place towards becoming similar & somewhat compatible so that down the line open contact would become possible.” A large percentage of the Earth’s population does already practice polygamy. They do mean to steer us away from total war and to give tools (the writings) to the ones who are willing to advance in their consciousnesses, not for us to follow their every custom. I doubt that we can find on Earth a place where polygamy is practiced in a way that is even remotely comparable to the one which exists on Erra. Certainly we can’t compare it with the Islamic customs, for them it’s just another manifestation of their prejudice towards women, whom they treat like cattle. As for Eugenics, it has had very barbaric implementations and this leads to a certain prejudice against it. Its application in the form of an allowance of polygamy has the result that a certain percentage of men will bear no descendants, while others will have more than the average. In this case the evolution of the species would be dictated by what the women would elect as the most attractive males, which would therefore be able to have second and third wives. I don’t really see anything barbaric, unjust or even necessarily unsatisfactory for the less favoured ones in this… David | ||
Tachyon Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2008 |
I had a friend who tried telling us at a party that a man wants to 'spread his seed to as many woman as possible to make the best genetically offspring possible'. That made no sense! He is trying to make it seem like it's natural for people to be bedding everyone else. The best chance for your offspring is for the Woman to find the man who is most different to the woman, creating a powerful offspring. It's not supposed to be pop out 13 kids and hope for the best. No money on Erra, must be nice :P I am sure the family cares for their offspring on Erra, but it's not viewed the same as it is here. They look at a child as a spirit coming into the world again. I'm sure as a whole they take care of eachother, going to school and learning life on Erra. Ben, | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2008 |
Borthwey. I appreciate your viewpoints. "- Their amount of free time. - The fact that, unlike here and even if he had nine children from three wives, the father could give full attention and care to the childhood and youth of each one of them by simply having them at different times during his 1000 years life. - That their level of spiritual advancement is way past jealousy (I suppose), and no one would have another wife if the existent one felt betrayed as a consequence." Earth males dont live 1000 years. Given Plejaran circumstances perhaps selective polygamy is viable on Erra and might be here eventually. Presently there seem to be mainly two categories of polygamist on Earth. The idle rich with excess time & money on their hands or welfare parasites with no further ambition other than perpetually asking for handouts. They do the fathering, the women do the cooking & cleaning, someone else works to pay taxes ...... Greed & laziness. "I doubt that we can find on Earth a place where polygamy is practiced in a way that is even remotely comparable to the one which exists on Erra. Certainly we can’t compare it with the Islamic customs, for them it’s just another manifestation of their prejudice towards women, whom they treat like cattle." Exactly .... Humanity as a whole might be better served if the priority of reform would focus on educating populations about equality rather than promoting Polygamy which on Earth is just a scheme pandering to elitists. "- That their level of spiritual advancement is way past jealousy (I suppose), and no one would have another wife if the existent one felt betrayed as a consequence." Maybe on Erra. But here I perhaps, "Why, Aren't I enough for you" might be the most common words uttered by females upon finding out another addition to the harem is proposed. "As for Eugenics, it has had very barbaric implementations and this leads to a certain prejudice against it. Its application in the form of an allowance of polygamy has the result that a certain percentage of men will bear no descendants, while others will have more than the average. In this case the evolution of the species would be dictated by what the women would elect as the most attractive males, which would therefore be able to have second and third wives. I don’t really see anything barbaric, unjust or even necessarily unsatisfactory for the less favoured ones in this…" Here I agree is a sensible solution & arguement. However there needs to be eventually a degree of force or coercion to implement this though dismantling certain religious teachings which encourage & perpetuate overpopulation coupled with withdrawing welfare payments catering to large families. "In this case the evolution of the species would be dictated by what the women would elect as the most attractive males, which would therefore be able to have second and third wives." No point proposing this as an evolutionery solution if women are not first empowered and freely able to choose which they are not in over 2/3 of this world. So how is it to be arranged that particularly hindu & islamc cultures will abandon the practice of arranged marriages ? | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 09-2007 |
Ramirez; I don’t know what you mean with “selective polygamy”. About implementing polygamy, I mean, creating legislation which contemplates it, my view is that on the one hand, people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they are respecting other people’s rights. It’s not illegal to have descendants and to maintain relationships with different women at the same time. If enough people wanted it, a legal form of polygamous marriage could be created. On the other hand, in the current state of our world, this could create many problems. It could as you say, be a “scheme pandering to elitists”. I basically defend that any group of people should have the right to be in whatever monogamous, polygamous or polyandrous relationship that they desire. In Erra, the polygamous variant is favoured over the polygamous one, and I understand the logic behind it and how it can be seen as a more “natural” situation. But on Earth, we have a tremendous amount of anti-natural situations in comparison to which this issue bears very little importance. We must solve our many problems until we get to the point of being concerned with these kinds of considerations. By the way: polygamy hasn’t been proposed either, as far as I know. No one said that we should or shouldn’t emulate this aspect of their society… About arranged marriages: I wouldn’t say that this is a problem which needs to be tackled by us, just like I wouldn’t say that countries under dictatorship are a problem which needs to be tackled by the democratic ones. It’s in the hands of the involved persons to break the old customs and to find better ones, or none at all. David | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2008 |
What you are both missing is the deciding factor : Polygamy is for Plejarens , other ET races, and Mormons , not us . It's against our laws , therefore , noone has to consider any "what if's" . | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 654 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Re Polygamy...: === [ "Polygamy has been practiced by mankind for thousands of years. Many of the ancient Israelites were polygamous, some having hundreds of wives. King Solomon (peace be upon him) is said to have had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines. David (Dawood) had ninety-nine and Jacob (Yacub, peace be upon them both) had four. Advice given by some Jewish wise men state that no man should marry more than four wives. No early society put any restrictions on the number of wives or put any conditions about how they were to be treated. Jmmanuel was not known to have spoken against polygamy. As recently as the seventeenth century, polygamy was practiced and accepted by the Christian Church." ] -source: www.jannah.org/sisters/polygamy.html [ "According to the Ethnographic Atlas Codebook, of the 1231 societies noted, 186 were monogamous. 453 had occasional polygyny, 588 had more frequent polygyny, and 4 had polyandry." ] -** From the Hindu tradition: [ "The god-figure Lord Krishna, the 9th incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu had 16,108 wives which were his most sincere devotees." ] -** -** source Wikipedia (HOW does one remember all their names, let alone their Birthdays  ) Then in consideration of the Over-Population currently existent on Earth, Polygyny, where allowed, must also fall under the guidelines as proposed in the Global Birth-Stop Petition. There will also need to be a stricter compliance with the Genetic suitability of the Males to enter into such relationships. As was discussed before, the accumulated wealth should NOT be the determining criteria. But the Ability to Provide MUST be a decisive factor, maybe as important as the Genetic factors. [As an added note, re the Over-Population issue; IMO ALL persons convicted of any Felony should be Sterilized immediately upon their delivery to Prison.] That we all go Forward from Here in Peace Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Mat2012 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2008 |
> > > Surely that the whole point on this forum? To consider what ifs?I feel th is is a very very interesting subject and it needs very very careful consid eration. For example there are natural laws whereby men can fertilize several woman at once. However there are many people that dont know that they can be male or female at birth, so we have could many females with male personality which is why they enjoy sex with multiple partners. Also we have another issue that needs attention - Human spirit differs from the animal spirit. and what we observe in animal is not neccessarily true to humans. At the end of the day it depends on the individuals, from my point of view as man, i would like to have multiple partners so i wouldnt get bored, and could enjoy new more interesting relationships. However we do not have the lifespan of 1000 years yet, and as result we dont need to resort polygamy yet, I personally think that we need to love one partner, and practise getting that right first here on earth before we start multitasking, as we know they go horribly wrong. > > > > | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2008 |
Borthwey. My statement "selective polygamy" simply means that as a custom or law it is socially acceptable though practised by some not all. I agree virtually 100% with the main body of your last posting. Todays societal problems in various areas of the world are not personally ours to intervene in but I feel we need to ensure that guidelines for any future society are sensible. To me this issue of polygamy condenses to a couple basic points. Individual rights & quality of life. The basic unit of society is the family which I accept as being one male one female in close relationship procreating a sensible number of children who are provided for by those two adults who enter into their relationship freely without duress, arrangement or commerce. Presently on earth it might be speculated that polygamous relationships have at their core vanity, greed, laziness, commercial considerations. Where polygamy is practiced family or family clan considerations of a strategic or commercial nature often dictate that some poor girl ends up becoming harem hen number X for sheik La Stud who might just fancy her appearance or sees an opportunity to favourably expand his family clan or other business opportunities associated with the prospective brides family. What quality of relationship is likely to be her outcome. Following that what quality of childhood evolves for the children of such unions. Aren't they just reduced to the status of objects. Why is this so ? There are laws & customs sanctioning the practice of polygamy in various places. Perhaps I'm getting it way wrong but isn't the objective of Goblet Of Truth to act as a future refference manual for the cohesive progression towards an advanced enlightened society based on univeral truths and rights ? Yet in this work are contained refferences quite clearly describing the parameters and guidelines outlining the practice of polygamy (males being able to possess multiple female wives) written in such a way as to legitimize the practice by defacto decree. It might work on other planets but here .... Isn't the treatment of females as commercial entities counter productive to the ideal of harmonious social cohesion based on the family unit ? What moral lessons are the children in these baby farms learning ? Doesn't the track record of present cultures on earth facilitating polygamy speak for itself ? Come no .... how many women can one man truly love simultaneously and be a nurturing father to their children ? I'm not directing questions as any sort of challenge to Borthwey, rather towards anyone reading these posts who might examine their beliefs & conscience. |
