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    Elreyjr Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings Rod, this article and image from Hubble also talks about a black hole at the center of an ultraluminous galaxy as a result of an infrared study (November 27, 2009) http://www.physorg.com/news178544948.html Jun | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 06-2009 |
Whether it is possible to have mass (coarse matter) without gravity is a matter of debate, but if gravity is a wave, which recent research is increasingly proving; then it possibly can be cancelled by a similar wave in destructive interference. Salome | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1130 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** * Hello Jun, So Many strange and wonderful things in this Creation Universe. Now the Science is building some of the tools needed to do serious study of these wonders. But still, the Truth eludes most of them, they have not come to grasp the great Intelligence of Creation in all the grandeur of the Universe. Thank You for the link, that one set me off to following many more links from that one source. Several hours later, reading articles and theories, I've come to a 'hypothesis' that theories are like fingerprints = everyone has them but they're all different. There is discussion from Semjase to the effect of ["the "Golden Radiation" of the central sun, which are of the strongest and most revolutionary radiation."] -- C-9, Ln-187. The "Golden Radiation" may refer to radiant Energy from the hot excited Plasma which encircles the central Core. OR, this may also be a reference to the Synchrotron Radiation from the accretion disk of the Black Hole at he Core. Semjase clarifies this for us here: ["The Earth has already touched the outer borders..."] -- Op Cit. The Plasma Radiation is received on Earth from everywhere along the ~25,800-year cycle in the Sun's path; The Synchrotron Radiation from the accretion Disk is most pronounced along the plane of the ecliptic. Earth takes some 40-50-years or so to pass through the plane. We do know that all radiation of Energy is in the electromagnetic spectrum. Excluded is the mass ejections from nuclear fission/ fusion processes. There are several variables in the radiant Energy: Frequency = gives us the visible light, X-rays, Gamma, Microwaves, radio waves, &c; Power = gives penetration, excitation of other elements, determines if it will burn or not, &c; Polarization = increases the excitation potential, increases effects on elements sufficient to break molecular bonds, &c; Cohesiveness = increases Power with increased cohesion up to that seen with Lasers and Masers; Source = determines the combination of Frequency, Power, and Polarization. Here is a link which discusses the Synchrotron Radiation found in the accretion disks of Black Holes: ... Fresh light shed on black holes http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/3441 And = Chandra solves black hole mystery here: ... http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/25187  Peace be With You Salome * *** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1545 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hector.... It is not so difficult, to understand as many think it to be. Even, Semjase, mentioned expeditions being conducted by a divers of extraterrestrials, whom 'jump' from one Universe/Creation to the other Universe/Creation(, etc...), in such way...we Earth humans can only 'dream' of. She, even mentioned other types of - Entities(; not described or what they really are) -...which are way beyond our earth comprehension; which conduct, like-wise; but also into Other Realities, not yet know to man!! This - Jumping -, is still science we Earth humans may perhaps discover...in so many Billions of years to come(?). Always read your posts! Short, Direct and to the point, in a Nutshell, as it should as Ptaah, would like to see/read it. Edward. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 532 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Edward....There are many many things/lessons/disciplines in the spirit teachings which i'm not fully able to approach, tackle or understand....Most of them related with physics, astronomy, the universe, quantum mechanics.....i feel quite limited in such disciplines. That doesn't bother me. There are many other things contained & explained in the spirit teachings in which i really feel confortable and feel somewhat entitled to share my views with others (as you say, "pitch a few coins") . In those topics/matters i guess i have recolected a whole bunch of personal experiences, insights, reflections, introspections in the last four years which may be now integrated to my "inner self" in the form of durable/perdurable knowledge (=wisdom). Perhaps thanks to Billy, his lessons and my own learning efforts i have been able to access my previous personalities storage banks and draw some valuable information from them. Who knows! Also,i try to remain humble...you know the old saying by Socrates...."i just know that i know nothing". Every kind of information flowing through my consciousness is now permanently observed, analyzed, evaluated, scrutinized. Now i never take anything for granted, contrary to what i used to do in the past. Sorry for being off-topic, moderators. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2004 |
The more I learn on this whole Plejaren/extraterrestrial topic, the less I find that I know. I thought I knew so much, but, every time I turn around I find I have to relearn how to think about things, re-evaluate what I think I thought I knew. Concerning the telonin bomb, it would seem that there ought to be some way to counteract its universe destroying effects with massively induced gravity waves. Since the effects of both the bomb and gravity waves travel at the speed of light, then it should be a matter of alighting a black hole in the vicinity of a telonin bomb just prior to it going off. Or somehow surrounding the explosive area with perpetually generated gravity waves, such that the explosive can indefinitely grow, but never expand beyond some event horizon. Or perhaps there can be some way to shunt the resultant explosion from a telonin bomb into a new universe, specifically created for the explosive event. It would seem that since we have (or will develop in short order) the capability to destroy everything, we ought to figure out how prevent universal destruction somehow. I am not saying that we currently have the technological capability to do that, but rather that this should be one of humanity's long-term goals, if for no other reason than to safe-guard the universe from other races that develop as we have, and likewise pose a danger to the universe. Love is always the way | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1556 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sitkaa.... Interesting insight you present, there! I guess, we should always handle in accordance to what the Andromeda Council would advice, us; or the other known Spirit Levels. We are not there yet, producing the Telonin Bomb, is such perspective...but when we get their...we should indeed...keep an eye...on each other! Preventing such mechanism, to get in the wrong hands, so to speak. So, I guess, what ever advice the Spirit Levels give us...we should just fallow up....? Finding an - anti dope -...for such destructive mechanism, is quite tricky, I would say. "Prevention is better than healing...", as they say. Perhaps, we may once create a Preventive Mechanism, one day?? Perhaps, the Spirit Levels may...indeed, have already obtained such a solution!? After all: THEY have experienced all fazes of Material Existence! And it seem to me...very doubtful, they would not have come up with a solution? It is just up to us humans....to evolve (further) and produce the mentioned, needed. And preserve all other aspects of (The) Creation; if possible, without the needless, sacrifice(s). Just take (all) the Meier Materials, step-by-step, Sitkaa. Just absorb it bit-by-bit, than it will be more comfortable to digest, which will result, in better Understanding...which would make Comprehension...surface when it is time to. Than, you can/will 'grasp' the Truth, and what is concerned: To Be. Edward. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 07-2009 |
"The more I learn on this whole Plejaren/extraterrestrial topic, the less I find that I know. I thought I knew so much, but, every time I turn around I find I have to relearn how to think about things, re-evaluate what I think I thought I knew." Same here | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2004 |
While you should listen to higher spiritual levels than your own, and generally you should probably do whatever they suggest, you should also never just give yourself over to their perspective, if it is not your own. There are many 'levels' of awareness (if you will for the sake of conversation just perceive it as 'levels'). These 'levels' are all of equal importance, equal impact. Some are just more gentle, subtle, and true than others. But truth be told, they are equal. Thus, no level of awareness has more right to its expression than any other. The point of this is that while it is definitely a good idea to take others' perspectives, and even whole levels of perspective, under advisement, never, never, never give your will over to a level of awareness that you do not completely understand and agree with. Question everything, until you make it your own thing. Don't listen to me. Think about it for yourself. Is love always the way? Love is always the way | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 06-2009 |
I have some nagging doubts I hope can be answered by the forum members here: Is it OK to use the term "Creation" and "Universe" interchangeably? A lot of posts in the forum uses these two term with a "or" (like in Universe/Creation). Should not Creation have a greater meaning than just being Universe? Excerpt from Stimme der Wassermannzeit, No. 89 2. Creation is identical to 'Universal Consciousness', which guides and prevails in the BEING of consciousness; it is a double-helix, egg-shaped configuration that simultaneously constitutes the Universe in its growing expansion. Its pulsating double-helix arms live as spiritual energy, while rotating against each other. 3. The Universe is Creation's internal and external body. ... 5. Creation pervades everything and everything pervades Creation, therefore forming oneness within itself. Within this oneness occur all life and all of the evolution allotted to it. ... 8. Creation is The Creation and there exists no Creation other than it within its own Universe. 9. Creation is the Creation of all creations such as the Universe, the galaxies, stars, earths (earth is equivalent to 'planets' in this context), skies, light and darkness, time, space and all multitudes of life forms in existence, each according to its own species. Salome | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1131 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** * Hello Smukhuti, Best Greetings to You and All What you say is correct. Consider that the Universe is the living Embodiment of Creation. Also that The Creation itself is greater than the Universe, as it's Spirit and Intelligence is both inside and outside of it's Universe, as the Creation comes Before the Universe was, and the Creation endures beyond the dissolution of the Universe. The Creation Transcends the Universe. So, it is also correct to say that the Universe IS Creation. And because of Creations' Transcendence, the Universe is not the wholeness of Creation. So then, the Creation Universe is not ALL THAT IS, but for us, the Creation itself IS ALL THAT IS. I hope this makes more sense seen this way. Yes? Salome * *** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 01-2009 |
Just a short but unusual and unexpected shout: I just wanted you all to know that ... I am so very very proud of you all !!! And to always have and keep your faith strong since you are and always will be the light of my mind heart and soul !!! First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Rod, Yes that makes sense. From http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_%281998%29#How_did_our_universe_and_our_world_come_into_existence.3F : "The least evolved Creational form is called a Creation-Universe" So Creation-Universe is what we commonly refer as just Universe and this Creation-Universe after 1049 level of evolution will become Absolute Absolutum? Salome. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1310 Registered: 02-2000 |
Is it OK to use the term "Creation" and "Universe" interchangeably? A lot of posts in the forum uses these two term with a "or" (like in Universe/Creation).Should not Creation have a greater meaning than just being Universe? Smukhuti, I've been confused by this also. More clarifacation from Billy is needed. My Website | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 369 Registered: 06-2006 |
here is an answer given in a booklet "An Interview with a UFO Contactee" which Michael sells on his site, that may help: 1. How did our universe and our world come into existence? The universe originated from an ancient, archetypal bang, produced by a minuscule but highly compressed, flea-sized ball of energy. Originally this energy consisted of purely spiritual energy which created itself from within, although even it can be traced back to an Ur-Universe's energy conception [Ur = is a German prefix which means archetypal, most ancient or original in English]. A universe is also called a "Creation" or a "Universal Consciousness" and so forth, of which exist 10*49 variations. The least evolved Creational form is called a Creation-Universe and the next higher form is an Ur-Creation or Ur-Universe; the one following is called a Central Creation or Central Universe, etc. The ultimate of all Creational forms is the 10*49, called the Absolute Absolutum. This Absolute Absolutum was the initial Creational form which created Itself from the Absolute Void by way of the Primary Big Bang, thereupon It embarked on Its path through 10*49 different main Creational forms before becoming the Absolute Absolutum. Thereafter It wafts in non-space as the highest of the highest Creational forms and continues to endlessly expand and evolve through the wisdom of all Creations which unite with It once each individual Creation achieves a status of being an Absolute Absolutum as well. Not one Creational form is absolutely perfect, not even the Absolute Absolutum. Creational forms, just as life itself, can only achieve a relative type of perfection over their evolutionary course through processes of constant waxing and waning and waxing again that characterize all life. We live in a Creation-Universe, a material universe, unequivocally the lowest form of a Creation or universe. And our universe, our Creation, Universal Consciousness or whatever else people want to call It, must Itself strive to work Its way up the evolutionary ladder. It must evolve so as to become one with the Absolute Absolutum once It has passed through the 10*49 Creational-form transformations. From a human perspective this process takes an unfathomably long time, for alone the period during which our Creation, our Universe, transforms into the next higher Creational form, that of an Ur-Creation or Ur-Universe, takes more than 85 quintillion years [8518 or 85,000,000,000,000,000,000 years]. Once the Universal Consciousness, or Creation, reaches the stage of Ur-Universe, respectively Ur-Creation, this Ur-Universal-Consciousness self-generates an idea for a new, simple Creation, the type of material universe with which we are familiar. This "idea" or "concept" consists of the purest spirit energy and contains everything It needs to become self-creating for Itself from within Itself. From a tiny energy ball the mere size of a flea, It creates within Itself new, immense energies which become highly compressed until this process culminates in a monumental explosion—the Big Bang. The energies from this explosion initially shoot outward and then expanded for fractions of a second at 107000 times the speed of light, as they displace other universes in an effort to create Its own space among the uncounted other universes, or Creations, already in existence. The seven Creational belts, or Universe belts, form simultaneously, of which one is the coarse-matter belt, the visible-matter-universe. In this belt originate coarse matters and gases and dust particles from which derive meteors, suns, comets, planets, nebulae, galaxies and other things when coarse matter gathers and condenses. In this way our Earth was born. This means our universe's birth and that of our Earth, along with foreign worlds, stars and galaxies and so forth, is a Creational-physical energy process and has nothing to do with a Creator God. These happenings are the result of purely spiritual-physical and material-physical laws and processes based upon physics and chemistry in every way and are, indeed, explainable through them. Robyn | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Robyn, "A universe is also called a "Creation" or a "Universal Consciousness" and so forth, of which exist 10*49 variations." Does it mean that these 1049 variations are the different levels of evolution of Creation-Universe (the least developed of Universe) till it becomes Absolute Absolutum, or does it implies that there are 1049 Universes in our Absolute Absolutum, or both? Salome. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 540 Registered: 10-2005 |
Is this the rudimentry movement of Creation?  | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1563 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Smukhuti.... You have the idea of the concept! Yes, you are directing this discussion in the correct direction. I will just observe. Edward. | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 04-2008 |
Mods, please post this last one if you can. Thanks. TJ page 150: 56. "Creation alone stands far above human species, and it alone deserves honour and praise, just as it renders honour and praise to the absolute power (Absolutum) above it. Does this imply about the next wake cycle of Creation, when there will be no humans, and what that existence will be honouring above Creation itself? Or thats true now, something above Creation? Or does it imply that Creation is above Itself (in a different level of evolution), like i am above my younger self? Thanks. Tien | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2004 |
Rarena, I don't think that that is the motion of creation, but I don't know for sure. It looks pretty cool though. Love is always the way | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1569 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tien.... As is mentioned: ABOVE Creation, stands the Absolute Power - Absolutum -, which should render honor and praise. Thus, the mentioned Absolutum, is a manifestation BEFORE...the Creation, was created. If you conduct a Search..and type the word Absolutum, you will know more details, concerning the levels of the Absolute (Absolutum), etc. There is enough information on this, which was discussed in the past. I think it is best for you to do the search and read and analyse it for yourself, at your own pace. Edward. | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 04-2008 |
I will. Thanks. Tien | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2008 |
or i should say Absolutely. Tien |
