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    Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 03-2007 |
O_Dave: "I was wondering if someone here could further explain, the Seven WE-Forms of the AA level." There is some information about this from Billy in Leserfragen. These 7 (seven) spiritform-collectives are not at the same level but each spiritform-collective is its' own evolution level. And all 7 (seven) spiritform-collectives form the pure-spiritform realm of Arahat Athersata. So on each of those 7 (seven) levels there is one (1) corresponding pure-spiritform-collective. And each of those pure-spiritform-collectives is itself a collective of countless pure-spiritforms working as a whole or individual. Regards Bob | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 428 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Rod you asked since when where Arahat Athersata travelling the universe. I've read the book, the answer is quite simple. Once you reach arahat athersata level, your spirit (the essence of a human being) abandons this material dimension to enter a quite different dimension (the real home of the spirit) in which space and time cease to exist. There are no space-time boundaries for Arahat Athersata. Anyway a spirit form like Arahat Athersata has little in common with a material human being. It's like comparing a piece of dirty carbon and a shiny diamond. In essence (molecular structure) they are composed by the same stuff, carbon, but in the meantime the diamond has had a process of polishment, evolution, perfection which increases its value. The High Council type of human being will be somewhere in the middle, using halfmaterial or light emitting vehicles in order to travel space and time. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Hector, Yes, You are correct that Arahat Athersata is at the Evolutionary level of purely Spirit. I've read the same book, have the same Knowledge and Understanding. The Point of my Post ( in >ET Intervention...), is How LONG AGO were Those which Evolved to that level THEN Embodied as Individual Spirits in Material form?. Perhaps Billy or Ptaah MAY be able to answer this Question. I delve into a little Deeper Territory here...: However, let's consider that Spirits in the Material form require some 60 to 80-Billion Years, and through Evolution of Spiritual Knowledge, to 'Advance' in Higher Levels towards Creation. It is My Humble Opinion, if You will consider the Time of the Sequence of Evolution, there ARE Many More Federations and Organizations of Star-Civilizations Throughout the entire Universe THEN and NOW. Anyway, This leads Me to the Thought: There have been Space-Faring Material Civilizations EVERYWHERE throughout the Universe Since the Universe came into Material Form.! They have 'Mentored' Others, which have Encouraged still Others, which have Protected and Taught Others, and so-on and so-on down to our 'Present Time.' QED. Again, Food for Thought Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 429 Registered: 04-2006 |
Yeah i think you're right Rod, it seems like exploring space (and also time) is a step forward in every human race evolutionary ladder. So exploring space is a must for every human civilization. The human being has to explore the microcosmos and the macrocosmos as an integral part of his enduring, constant demand of new experiences, new discoveries and new knowledge....Every human race in the universe, according to Billy and the Plejaren, will feel the need and the urge to explore the cosmos, sooner or later. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Can anyone help clarify how the pure spirit levels relate to the absolutum forms? The Pure Spirit Levels 1. Petale-level 2. Logon-level 3. Euchare-level 4. Darman-level 5. Absaly-level 6. Lantano-level 7. Arahat Athersata-level The Absolutum Forms 1. BEING-Absolutum 2. Sohar-Absolutum 3. Super-Absolutum 4. Creations-Absolutum 5. Central-Absolutum 6. Ur-Absolutum 7. Absolute-Absolutum Am I correct in thinking that the Arahat Athersata spirit level relates to the Absolute Absolutum, and the Lantano spirit level relates to the Ur-Absolutum, and so on right through to the Petale spirit level. Or does each successive absolutum consist of all 7 spirit levels? Joseph | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 993 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Joseph, My understanding is that the Pure Spirit levels, as progressive We-Form Spirit, are in the process of Spirit Evolution to merge with Creation. The final merging goes forward form the highest (7th) level of the Petale. Remember, also, there are Seven levels of Evolution within each of the Spirit Levels, just as there are for our Spirit as we pass through Evolution in the Material-Form levels. The Absolutum Levels, on 'the other hand,' are in the progression path of Creation. The following, posted by Phaethonsfire (Jacob), is found in the Spiritual Terminology section (bottom of the Teachings list): » The Spiritual Teachings » Spiritual terminology [ The Absolutum-forms, [ The current Universe, our DERN-Universe is a partially material-universe, which is the absolute lowest form of spiritual energy in the whole BEING of ALL things. [ When a Creation is created by an Ur-Creation it has for its very first evolution a partially material universe and creates human spiritforms in order to evolve itself. [ After this very first stage of evolution will all subsequent stages of evolution go on in a purely spiritual manner, that means that after the upcoming sleep-period of Creation the next Universe will consist of purely spiritual-energy with NO coarse-material matter at all, the consistency of the spiritual-energy will be finer and finer each cycle. [ After 10^49 levels of evolution in 7-fold increasing time-periods (Each evolution-level will take 7 times longer then the previous evolution-level) will the transition take place to the Absolute Absolutum, the lowest of the Absolutum-forms. [ The Absolute Absolutum is the one Absolutum-form that created the very first and lowest Creation-forms, the very first material universes, which evolved up to the first Ur-Creations which on their turn created new material-universe Creations. [ The other six (6) Absolutum-forms do not create universes / creations. ] Truth finds Love finds Peace Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Rod Thanks for your reply. It was Jacob's list of terminology that compelled me to ask my question. Just to make sure I understand this correctly, are you saying that the evolutionary process follows through from the Absolute Absolutum to the Being Absolutum, and then from Arahat Athersata to Petale? The Absolutum evolutionary process, if I am correct, therefore, is the path taken towards spiritual BEING, of which the last 6 levels (Ur-Absolutum - BEING-Absolutum) are pure spirit levels that go on to create the Creation beneath them (so Ur-Absolutum creates through itself the Absolute-Absolutum, while the Central-Absolutum creates through itself the Ur-Absolutum, until finally the BEING-Absolutum creates through itself the Sohar-Absolutum); and each Absolutum level evolving in this way towards the Arahat Athersata spirit level, which is when the spirit form has evolved to a "Being" and continues evolving through "being" through the successive collective we-spirit levels by using logic and reason rather than conceiving a Creation (is this correct?), and so forth with the higher spirit levels, until finally the Petale spirit level merges with Creation. Okay. If the above is correct, I think I've got my head around it. If it isn't, I fear it is going to confuse the devil out of me. My next question is, however, what are the 7 evolutionary levels within each of the spirit levels and absolutums? I may already have come upon this info, but there is so much to take in I forget it all unless I start organising it in my mind, like I'm trying to do with this. Joseph | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 331 Registered: 06-2006 |
Joseph you are getting it a little mixed up! Here is a very simplified example that might help. Man is striving to evolve to merge eventually with Creation. This is achieved 'within' the bounds of the Creation/Universe. WITHIN the Creation/Universe, there are levels of evolution, the Petale being the final one before merging with Creation. Arahat Athersata, is the lowest of the pure spirit levels, and the spirit must evolve through those levels from AA, to reach Petale. man -----> big snip (other levels eg., up to semi-material etc....) -------> AA --> Lantano ---> etc.. to Petale ------> merge with Creation. Next, Creation is evolving and on Creation's continuing evolutionary path are the 7 levels of Absolutum's, the lowest level being 7)Absolute Absolutum. Creation ----> snip.. (other levels) ---> 7)Absolute Ab. -----> 6)Ur-Absolutum -----> etc..... finally reaching 1)BEING-Absolutum. It likely does not stop there, but that is as far as is recorded here. It can be confusing - there are other posts in the Archives on this topic -- see if you can find them - they may also help. Look also for the Dietmar Rothe info, a link to which I posted previously. Make sure you are clear on the evolutionary levels within Creation, and those that are outside Creation. Robyn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 995 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Joseph, Oh, what a tangled web... You are mixing the concepts of Human Spirit Evolution together with the concepts of Creation Evolution. Apples and Oranges make for a fine Fruit Salad, but are still two different things. From an Interview with Billy (1998): ... [ "What is the true purpose of our life? [ The purpose of our life is for us to evolve - the advancement and continued development of our being at a constant pace to ever higher levels. [ The purpose of evolution lies within the concept of achieving the highest possible human development, including love, harmony, ability, knowledge and wisdom. [ Evolution not only serves to bring human entities to a high level of knowledge and wisdom so they may lead a life in harmony with Creation's laws and commandments and the like: Through our evolution we also assist Creation with Its own evolution. [ Just as humans and nearly all life is in need of evolutionary advancement, so, too, is Creation, the Universal Consciousness. [ Even Creation is only relatively perfect and It must evolve to ascend to higher forms of Its own existence. [ And to achieve Its objective, Creation requires human beings who evolve over the course of billions of years into pure-spirit-forms and from these into still higher forms of existence, extending through to the Petale level. [ There occurs the transition into Creation, into the Universal Consciousness, and transpires the unification, the "becoming one." [ In this manner Creation assimilates these former human spirit forms, which have by then evolved to their own highest level and which, initially, had originated from Creation in order for It to evolve through these human entities. [ During their unification with Creation, all the accumulated knowledge and wisdom are also absorbed by Creation, and thus It elevates Its own evolution by a fraction of an iota, and advances some time later into the next higher Creation level. [ After an incredibly long time, this subsequent Creation continues evolving until it becomes one with the Absolute Absolutum. [ The Absolute Absolutum is the highest level and all-encompassing form a Creation can attain, and yet even the Absolute Absolutum must continue Its evolution process into all-Great-Time and chronological endlessness." ] http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/What_is_the_true_purpose_of_our_life%3F ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ It is then, after Creation completes the 7th cycle of Universes, the Absolute Absolutum (level of Creation) continues it's progression through the remaining 7-"levels" of Absolutum: ... 2. Ur-Absolutum 3. Central-Absolutum 4. Creations-Absolutum 5. Super-Absolutum 6. Sohar-Absolutum 7. BEING-Absolutum ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Now to consider the Evolution of the Human Spirit. The Human Spirit comes forth from Creation as New Spirit-form, to begin it's evolution through progressive 7-times-7 levels. The first 60- to 80-Billion years are in material bodies, wherein the Spirit gains the ever increasing Spiritual Consciousness through experience, knowledge, love, and Wisdom in the Laws of Creation. The Arahat Athersata is the first level (or plane) where dwell the pure spirit forms. It takes a spirit 60 to 80 billion years to evolve into this pure spirit form. At this level of Evolution, the Arahat Athersata is a UNION of Spirit into 7 distinct WE-form Spirit-forms, all ego is left behind, as the Knowledge and Powers are combined into One of the Seven, dependent on evolved Talents of the Spirit in prior Human Form. Arahat Athersata - "The Precious One Who Contemplates the Times" Quote from Contact Report 3 [ Semjase = [ 39. A human being may become hundreds or even thousands of years old when he has reached a certain spiritual and consciousness-related state of relative perfection and a correspondingly high and sound way of living. [ 40. But after that state of about 40 to 60 million years, the spirit no longer requires a purely material body and becomes a half-spirit body. [ 41. It then lives only in half-material form for an additional 60 to 80 billion years and in such lofty spheres that we can no longer communicate with it from the purely material human level, except when there exists a very high consciousness-related and spiritual level of evolution. [ 42. After 60 to 80 billion years, the half-spirit form—the half-material form respectively—transforms itself into the first pure spirit form and enters the level of Arahat Athersata. ] http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Arahat_Athersata The Evolutionary Progress of the Pure Spirit-forms, then follows the progression, which you know as: ... 1. Arahat Athersata 2. Lantano 3. Absaly 4. Darman 5. Euchare 6. Logon 7. Petale With each level corresponding to higher and more complete powers, love, creativity, and union of purpose. The WE-forms at the Petale are now unified into 4 distinct Spirit-forms, and are next before merging with Creation Itself. These thoughts which follow, again come from Jacob: ... [ Petale can do everything except creating NewSpiritform, this belongs exclusively to Creation itself. [ "The unsolvable secret of Creation" is only known to Creation itself, this secret holds the key how to create NewSpiritform. [ Not even the highest Spiritform collective Petale knows this secret, when it finds out, the current Petale collective will flow over and unite with Creation itself. ] Does this all make it a little more clear for you? You might want to go back through the archives also, to find what other ideas have been expressed. The Search tool at http://www.theyfly.com/ will give some additional references. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Rod Thanks for the info: three pages worth! I'll be honest, I had to read your post several times to understand it, and I'm still not sure I understand completely. But this is how I now understand it: Human beings must evolve over the course of billions of years into pure spirit forms, at which point they reach the evolutionary level of the Arahat Athersata, which itself must evolve to the level of Lantano, and then Absaly, Darman, Euchare, Logon and Petale, respectively. The Pelate level is the highest spirit form that will eventually unite with the Absolute Absolutum. The Absolute Absolutum must then evolve to the Ur-Absolutum, and this in turn to the Central-Absolutum, until finally reaching the BEING-Absolutum. So a step by step guide of the evolutionary ladder would look like this: 1. Human Beings Pure spirit levels 2. Arahat Athersata 3. Lantano 4. Absaly 5. Darman 6. Euchare 7. Logon 8. Petale Creation levels 9. Absolute Absolutum 10. Ur Absolutum 11. Central Absolutum 12. Creations Absolutum 13. Super Absolutum 14. Sohar Absolutum 15. Being Absolutum As I understand it the Absolute Absolutum is the only level that creates a universe/coarse matter. How do the other 6 Absolutums evolve? And what are the 7 evolutionary cycles within each spirit form level, and the Absolutums? Please tell me I've got this right. If still I haven't, just pretend you're replying to a complete idiot, or a child even, with just the bare facts. All the best Joseph | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 997 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Joseph, SO Close.!!! You've just about got it. When the Petale solves the final 'mystery' of Creation, the entire level then MERGES WITH CREATION. The Path of Human Evolution is to come forth FROM Creation - Evolve through all 7x7 levels in the Material and Spiritual planes - and to finally Re-Unite WITH Creation. ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ This how Creation Itself Evolves: ... [ "Matter is nothing more than energy slowed down into crystallization, and that energy is light slowed down into manifestation. When he asked where the light came from he was told "thought", the Universal Mind, the Divine fiat, the collective thinking of all spirit... endlessly." ] = Billy is quoted from: CONTACT FROM THE PLEIADES by Wendelle C. Stevens Lt. Col., USAF (Ret). HIGHLY recommended reading at this link: ... http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/ContactPleiades.htm ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ The Creation had the original IDEA to CREATE the Universes and all Lifeforms. The Creation acquired the Ultra-Fine Energy for the IDEA from the Absolute Absolutum. The now Conscious Energy of Creation expanded at a rate 7,000 times the 'speed-of-light' to create a vast Space-Time. From the Conscious Energy, as the frequencies, polarities, curl and spin slowed down ... Then there came LIGHT as the second-order manifestation of Conscious Energy. In other words, The entire Universe WAS Light in that 'time.' As the Conscious Light Energy continued to slow down in frequency, "temperature," polarity, spin and curl, The Energy CONDENSED into the sub-atomic units, which Science is finding and identifies in Quarks, Leptons, Electrons, Neutrinos, Tachyons &c. The condensation of energies into these forms gave rise to the Field effects - Gravity, ElectroMagnetic, Strong & Weak Nuclear Fields, &c - which we can measure today. These are all still CONSCIOUS unit expressions of Creation, still a part of Creation Spirit, and all still unified in Creation Spirit Consciousness. These units are the second-order from Light, and the third-order from Creations' Idea Energy. As the Universal 'soup' of Conscious Light, Quarks, Fields continues to expand (at a much slower rate), the frequency, "temperature," polarity of the sub-atomic level units is now overcome (over-ridden) by the Field effects of these Condensed Conscious "particles," these now coalesce into Protons and Neutrons. The Protons attract the Electrons and 'ordinary matter' now appears. The rest is history, as Stars ignite, Galaxies form, planets form, and conditions evolve to sustain the Spirit off-shoots of Creation into Material bodies. The Creation created the Universes in pairs. Our DERN Universe is paired (coupled) with the DAL Universe. We have no communication with beings from any of the other Universes beyond those in these two (so far as we know), so comments on the others would be speculation. It is assumed that all the other Universes are also filled with Conscious Beings which are all on similar paths of Evolution as ours. The Creation created a total of 10^49 Universes in pairs like ours. That's a HUGE number of Universes in this Creation, the number 1 with 49 zeros (the number 'One-Trillion' only has 12-zeros). We can also assume all other Universes go through cycles similar to ours. So, what do "I think of Creation?" The Universe IS the LIVING EMBODIMENT OF CREATION SPIRIT. Creation is the source of my life, and All THAT IS. So our Spirit(s) having come FROM Creation, remaining connected WITH Creation, reincarnate into bodies made from the Conscious Spirit Energy of Creation, which we call "the Material Forms." After all the processes of Human Evolution, whereby we attain to 100-percent Material and Spiritual Consciousness, It is OUR GIFT TO RETURN ALL OUR ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM TO CREATION WHEN WE FINALLY MERGE, TO BECOME AT ONE WITH ALL THAT IS. Every Human Path of Evolution in all the Universes is UNIQUE, no two exactly the same, every possible problem with every possible solution, every possible perspective of life. By this Creation Evolves in Knowledge and Wisdom, becomes greater in Powers, greater in Love. Then the Universes are dissolved back into Energy, and Creation rests. Creation goes through 7 Wake-Rest cycles, creating NEW expanded Universes in each successive Wake cycles. The cycle we are in, is the FIRST of the Seven, and is the only cycle of 'Material' Embodiment. As the Creation came forth FROM the Absolute Absolutum, after the 7th cycle of Creation Universes, The Creation "Graduates" to BECOME the Absolute Absolutum, then the successive Absolutum forms in progressive Evolution. ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ In relation to the Evolution of Humans = Please read this post from Jacob: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3572.html#POST11943 This chart shows a very condensed path of Human Evolution, FROM Creation as NewSpiritForm to merge back WITH Creation form the Petale: ...  Let me know when you have 'digested' all this, and we'll find you some DESSERT.  Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 05-2004 |
It's going to take me a while to grasp all that and consciously remember it. As long as I understand the evolutionary process from primitive human life to the merging with Creation, then that's good enough for me for now, until I am ready to digest more. Sometimes too much detail bothers me... I think the following is what you've been telling me in a nutshell: "As the Creation came forth FROM the Absolute Absolutum, after the 7th cycle of Creation Universes, The Creation "Graduates" to BECOME the Absolute Absolutum, then the successive Absolutum forms in progressive Evolution." This description is analogous to the birth of a child who, as he grows older, becomes an adult, and therefore like his parents. I'm sure the process of life is similar in all situations. But please tell me what are the 7x7 levels of evolution? Is there a link that you can direct me to that explains this clearly? I know the 7 pure spirit form levels and the 7 absolutums, but this only makes 14. What of the remaining 35 levels? Sorry to go on. Hope you don't mind. Thanks very much for your time and effort. Joseph | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Rod I've just done a search on 7x7 to see what I can come up with and I found a post with reference to the 7 absolutums and a lot of numbers in between each one, grouped in 7, indicating the length of each cycle. And it made me think, because it didn't really say what each cycle was, nor what level of evolution they were. But correct me if I am wrong. Am I right in thinking that the 7 pure spirit levels that the human spirit must evolve through to merge with the Absolute Absolutum, are also the same 7 pure spirit levels (albeit a lot more evolved) that Creation must then evolve through to become the Ur-Absolutum, and so on with the remaining 5 absolutums? | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 06-2009 |
I have many question on the spirit development which I feel can be easily answered by the forum members here without needing to wait for Bill's answer. Here are the the last two and a half major levels of human "spirit" development fron Wendell Stevens "Messages from the Pleiades": V. ... 4. The use of the will in mastery of life and all its forms and kinds. 5. Position of recognitions. Reminiscences to earlier lives etc. 6. King of Wisdom=JHWH. Before their last highest power-knowledge. 7. Cognition of spiritual peace, the universal love and the creational harmony. (Present position of Plejarens races, (V) 4, 5, 6 and 7) VI. 1. Acknowledgement and realization of the spiritual peace, the universal love and the creational harmony. 2. Living in pure spiritual form. 3. Spiritual Creations. 4. Dis-embodying of the spirit from organic matter. 5. First spiritual existence. 6. Final spiritual existence. 7. Pass-over into the Creation VII. 1. Twilight sleep over seven periods (eternities). 2. Awakening and the beginning of creating in the Creation as Creation, during seven periods/eternities. 3. Creating of life forms. 4. Creating of new spirit for the improvement of the Creation. 5. Creation of spiritual greatness in the Creation 6. Improvement of the Creation in the Creation. 7. Last reach of the highest improvement in the seventh period/eternity. My questions:
Salome | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1574 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Smukhuti..... See if I can give answer?? With the knowledge, that Stevens' translations may still contain errors. 1. What does Does "Living in pure spiritual form." mean in the 2nd step of 6th level? "Living in pure spiritual form": would be Manifesting (in our Material/Organic body) as a Spiritual Entity: Knowledgeable, Wise, Logical, Understanding, etc. All these aspects accumulated during One's existence as a Spirit-form/ consciousness (entity/human being). In this case, as what I can make out is: that we are still embodied within a human material body. Nr. 4. Dis-embodying of the spirit from organic matter: tells us at this moment of manifestation(/time) we no long embody a Material/ Organic body. 2. What step(s) corresponds to the half-material/high council level of development? Here: VI, steps 1, 2, 3...and, going on nr. 4. Seeing, that they are Half Material/Half Spirit-form(at). 3. What step does the Arahat Athersata corresponds to in the 6th level? Here: VI, steps 4, 5, and 6. As a 'full time' Spirit-form. 4. Does the Petale level corresponds to the 6th step of the 6th level? Here: I would think like-wise as the above mentioned. They both, are still in the processing/transcending (as pure Spirit-forms), thus we can not close out their steps numbers, order(?). 5. If 1 eternity=7 period=2,177,280,000,000year, does this implies that 1st step of 7th level, i.e twilight sleep, last through the second level of the Creations Universe when it is awakes for 7 period? Here: I think that would be the case(?). 1 would 'transcend' onto 2... 6. When and where does steps 2-7 of the 7th level realises which is also said to last 7 periods? Here: your question is not clear to me, alas. Can you formulate it more precisely? I do not understand WHAT you mean? This, is just my interpretation. Others may interpret it differently? But, any input is welcome, I would say...no? I did NOT 'Look-up' the answers, given! I answered, all : "out of my head", so to speak(; as I usually do). So, I am/was not playing False, in any shape or form...But, others may give answers which they may have 'Looked-up'...in their PC figu databank, or something, or whatever. Nothing wrong with that: but, individuals should TRY and tap into their own personal Storage Banks...and give answers...  Edward | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 06-2009 |
Thank you Edward, for answering my questions. Through my question 6, I actually meant to ask that where does the evolutionary steps 2-7 of the 7th level of human development occurs. Possibility 1: Human life continues even after 1 period awake and 1 period sleep cycle of the Universe into next higher levels of the Universe In this scenario: 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: Humans develop through the level 1-6 of human development and merge with Creation. 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 2,177,280,000,000 years wake period: Twilight sleep 2,177,280,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 15,240,960,000,000,000 years wake period: Awakening and the beginning of creating in the Creation as Creation for 7 periods till reaching perfection at the end of 7th period (after 2,177,280,000,000 years). Possibility 2: Human life continues even after 1 period awake and 1 period sleep cycle of the Universe into next “instances” of the Creation Universe of the same level In this scenario: 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: Humans develop through the level 1-6 of human development and merge with Creation. 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: twilight sleep 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: twilight sleep 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: twilight sleep 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: twilight sleep 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: twilight sleep 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: twilight sleep 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: twilight sleep 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: Awakening and the beginning of creating in the Creation as Creation for 7 periods 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: … 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: … 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: … 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: … 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: … 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity 311,040,000,000,000 years wake period: Last reach of the highest improvement in the seventh period/eternity. 311,040,000,000,000 years sleep period: No activity Possibility 3: Something else?? What is interesting here that in case of Possibility 1, human spirit as part of Creation would have to Create life forms…etc from a higher 3rd level of Creation into a lower 1st level of Creation which IMO sounds illogical. What do you all think? Salome | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 718 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Smukhuti, My opinion? This seems a pointless exercise that can distract from more worthy efforts centered around the spiritual teachings. While elements of this type of information are also shared by Billy, personal growth from it is probably not all that great. Nothing really wrong with doing such endeavors, it's just not very high up my chart of things to ponder. Salome a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1581 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Smukhuti.... Yes, understand what you mean. Well, when we 'merge' we do become part of her(the Creation), and will collectively function in unison with her and process even with her in all her actions, all our accumulated information/data, etc.,; through/from our Consciousness abilities, related blocks, (Cosmic) Storage bank(s), etc.; which will benefit her in her further Creating Creational activities; as what I have gathered. Thus, it does make sense what you commented. Thus, every new 'merging' brings new possibilities in her new Creational Expanding(/Creating), always adding new aspects...with new out comes/results/ effects, with positive benefit. And Perfecting to the utmost level of her Existence. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1582 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Shawn... No, it is NOT pointless! Smukhuti and others are NEW here, which you and I and others should take heed to, and respect. He just wants further interpretations/means, of such aspects which may seem 'unclear' to him (or to others); which he as well as others can benefit here from. SEE...the Positive side of this, Shawn. Do not...think of yourself?? There is always someone who can us a certain answer(s), which he/she has been seeking(, at some point in time)? And is beneficial, to them. Edward. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Shawn, It's a matter of individual opinion and wisdom which one to give more importance and which one to give less importance. For me the most important aspect of all that Meier brings us, also is the spiritual information of which understanding human spirit development is a basic part, and I do not aim to built a sky-scrapper and having a weak basement. I appreciate that when you mention "Nothing really wrong with doing such endeavors, it's just not very high up my chart of things to ponder. " - you actually refer to your personal feeling and not a matter-of-fact statement. But if I were you, and would have known the answer to SMukhuti's question, plus I had the willingness to write 3-4 sentences; I would have used 3-4 sentences to explain the matter rather than use 3-4 sentences to say basically "this pointless exercise is not up on my priority chart folks". And, I'm just curious; since I am new to the forum and acceptedly ignorant and would love to listen to a pro - what are the "more worthy efforts centered around the spiritual teachings" refer to? (This is not a pun) Salome. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Edward, Actually its still a bit unclear here. After merging with Creation, does the twilight sleep continue in the next higher level of the same Creation(with lifespan of 2,177,280,000,000 years), or in another Creation of the same level (with lifespan of 311,040,000,000,000 years)? Salome. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 719 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Smukhuti, My entire reason for responding was to respond to your request. I think it's great that you engage your thoughts in anything this forum has to offer. Participants such as yourself are the energizers that all meaningful things in life require if such things wish to remain alive. Edward has said nearly the same thing in his response to me. I prefaced 'pointless' with the word, 'seems' as this is what I meant. As well, I also started off with my qualifier, "My opinion". Boiled down it was just my level of understanding/feeling and I was just offering it as a response to you. It was all I could do at the moment, lol! Like you, I also like listening to the pros, so mostly I just lurk around here waiting for those postings that have more of those 'pieces of the puzzle' written in English, as I don't read/speak German. But lurking is not very participatory, so sometimes I stalk instead. Anyway the answer is, 2. Hope this helps. Salome a friend in america Shawn | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 06-2009 |
Thank you Shawn. Salome. |
