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    Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 08-2007 |
Hector, I undersatnd, but I also do not want People to think that our Aggression Genes are so easily removable. 12 Strands of DNA sure would be an absurd Arrangement. It is nearly an unimaginable Configuration, patently absurd, and if anything would hinder the efficient Copying Process of DNA. It is like saying that having 6 Computers competing for the same CPU over a LAN should be an 'Evolution' in Computer Technology. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2008 |
hey Matthew, I'd like to see you say this in the real world to the scientists....if it's so easy why don't you go up there and find it. I tried to read a bit about genes and it's very complex. Adrian. | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 02-2008 |
This is a response to Marcela's post 155: To my knowledge dreams of the future and future visions come from one's subconsciousness, and it is not possible to get future visions from the storage banks. The reason is because the storage banks only work for the current and lower evolution of oneself/one's spirit's lineage, and a memory of oneself from the future would mean a higher evolution than currently. One's subconsciousness is always creating/"planning" the future of what will happen, and so if your consciousness is steered in such a way to access future memories from your subconsciousness, then you will experience a future vision. Of course this is also fine matter perception so one's pineal gland is in use for future visions. The future is constantly dependent on the thoughts of the present, so it is possible for a future vision to not happen the same way you visioned, especially if you were to remember the future vision and somehow have an idea of when it will happen and consciously change what will happen, such as Billy hanging a metal plate and memorandum book over his chest to survive getting shot. I have only ever had future visions in 1st person where everything I am seeing, feeling, hearing, thinking etc. is what I will see, feel, hear and think at that moment in the future. I have never had a future vision in 3rd person, so I guess that is a slightly different form of clairvoyance. I would guess perceiving a major planetary event in 3rd person would be coming from a mass subconsciousness. I think dreams of the future usually are peaks/little peaks in one's psyche, such as seeing a new MSN display picture of someone, seeing a new video, someone talking to you that made you think a bit, any experience that is/was not a normal everyday thing where you don't think anything of it. I have once tried to deliberately have a future vision on something in particular through meditation, and it worked, however you must be in a very deep meditative state and I don't care about trying to do that again. Salome, Reece. Reece Stiller | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 436 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Reece, You may have found the right thread for this topic. "...it is not possible to get future visions from the storage banks." Then do you know where according to the Meier material these visions of the future do come from, Reece? And I mean from the future not someone's subconscious (which can occur). Many of these visions have nothing to do on a practical level with the first person but relate to people and places far removed from oneself that one has no knowledge of at all. I have had many of these so I know for a fact they occur. They are certainly not available on tap, so to speak. I found personally that it is better not to attempt to see the future because that very attempting can and does color the response or what is seen. Any wish or hope one has will come out in a dream or vision. My most notable occur when I do not put any personal input into the process other than having a spiritual, detached and calm focus before sleeping, and perhaps just being open to the future whatever it may be. Usually the dreams seem to come when they want to. Hi Hector, These experiences did, I suppose begin gradually for me, the ones in which I see and experience others dying are indeed hard and difficult to bear. At first I thought they were all about me. What ordinary dream isn't, right? But it became obvious when these were about others. One big question remained for a while: Why was I experiencing the other person as though they were me (or I was them) in the vision? We are all unique and so are our experiences and consciousness, and I eventually realized that I was being made aware that no matter how far away these other people were they are my own kind, my brothers, family and even myself; for That which unites All All are One. These victims of the events when they actually happened were not "people over there" or of "another kind." They were so much related to me in the grand scheme of things that they are me from a higher perspective. Or perhaps to communicate that these things happen to people I experience them as a person, and so I experience it as me when it's actually someone else. These switches are again common to the dream world and may be an example of the subconscious interaction Reece hinted at. The vision of the Indian hurricane that killed over 1,000 a few years back in which vision I died myself was indeed unsettling. I would not recommend such an experience (not that they are available on demand) to anyone. Perhaps it was my experiencing the Mythic Death that prepared me for such an experience. (for those new to it a search on Mythic Death should produce the previous post/s explaining this). For me these experiences come when they do, and they seem to be in waves. I've had very few in the past year, but many a couple of years back when writing my paper on the La Palma mega-tsunami and some other papers. I personally do not consider myself a clairvoyant and certainly could not charge people for any such readings as my seeing the future is not on demand or always occurring; but occur it most definitely does. Once I was in the role of a Katrina victim. Seen before it occurred, I had no idea where it was but saw a street and an old green door in the wall there. As the water rose in the dream I clung to a tree branch for dear life. After receding I knew I had lost everything. Later after the event, I saw the man whose role I had played in the dream on CNN news. His name was Taylor, a man of color, and my heart went out to him so much I literally choked. It was truly a unique experience for me, very sad and very humbling. You see, it could have been me or anyone of us if we had been there. But Taylor was the one who happened to be there and had to cling to the tree branch for dear life while losing all else in his life. He lost his home and family to the floods and Katrina. It was not until last year that I finally saw the green door in that old wall on a street of New Orleans on another program covering Katrina long after the event. Sweet dreams, and if they aren't sweet may you maintain your peace and calm, such also is perfectly possible. Chris | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hello Chris, I truthfully haven't read anywhere where they occur, but from my own experience and the information that one's subconsciousness is always processing the future and that if you access the storage banks through meditation, it's impossible to obtain memories from your future self or future incarnation due to you not being able to connect to a higher evolution than what yours currently is, I think they come from either your or maybe someone else's or a mass subconsciousness. You apparently have dreams of the future of other people in 1st person, that's new to me. Yeah dreams of the future happen naturally and you do not choose when to have them and what they will be about, they just happen. And yes I agree that it's not good to try to see the future, really I only did it once to see if I could. There are also other types of dreams I have sometimes that are not direct future visions, but are more symbolic, sort of indicating what my desires are and how things will be at that point in time in the future. I used to have dreams of the future around twice a month since I was 8 until the first time I watched The Silent Revolution of Truth in January 2008, after which suddenly they happened every night, however as of recently the frequency is about twice a week. Something I am interested in is eventually trying to have memories of previous incarnations, because I think that is highly interesting and there are things I could learn. However trying to develop consciousness abilities is not something I care about much in this incarnation and right now I'm not trying to do anything. Reece Stiller | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 06-2008 |
Chris: Thank you for sharing your “clairvoyance” in your dreams. I heard people dreaming like this sometimes, but nothing like your visions. Then, visions of the future don’t come from impulses from the storage banks. However, you can get impulses from your own storage banks. That is how we can recover what we have learned in our past lives. Also, and I think Billy has said it, can we get impulses from other people’s storage banks? I might be wrong about the last idea, but I am sure that you constantly get impulses from your storage banks. Visions from the future are possible due to the use of your pineal gland, like Hector has stated, though, this information is very new to me. I will do a search on dreams on the forum to see what else I can read about it. BTW I always dream very nicely, lately. I can even modify my dreams and do whatever I want sometimes. In the past I used to have nightmares, very bad nightmares. Especially when I was worried. But not anymore… Salome | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hi Marclea, I think learning to control one's dreams is one of the main things which leads to having dreams of the future. When I was in primary school I suddenly changed and instead of not wanting to go to bed I was excited to go to bed to dream. When I had nightmares I tried to wake up from them in the nightmare by doing things like trying to open my eyes in it or deliberately doing something stupid. But I eventually was able to wake up whenever I wanted to, I just want to wake up in the dream and about 3 seconds later I wake up, usually as I am waking up that way I can't move for about 4 seconds because I guess my brain is still asleep for 4 seconds, lol. Then I began to control my dreams, such as running faster than cars, doing massive jumps, making a baddie disappear, changing the location, etc. Then my dreams became more symbolic, usually about my desires, in which in the symbolic dreams I know I am dreaming in them and I deliberately go along with the dream, and in them it's like I am learning about things I desire. An example is 2 nights ago I had one about a girl who I haven't seen since the year 12 formal last year and how I want to see her again and why. And I also don't have nightmares anymore, my last one was in grade 7.  Reece Stiller | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 437 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you all for your comments. I'm going to briefly put into words what I think is going on with future visions and from this perhaps someone will be able to follow with the explanation Figu or Meier have for what is going on. I don't necessarily need this, but I'm sure this whole subject will in the coming decades become of far more interest and importance for mankind, and many more people will begin having such experiences and wanting explanations. If no Figu/Meier articulation is forthcoming perhaps I should include a question to Billy for his pragmatic explanation, if he can give one. IMO: The inner psychological architecture and consciousness realms are limitless. From ones own mind and subconscious it is possible to move into the group or species subconsciousness or collective consciousness. This has been termed the genetic mind by others and is similar to Jung's collective group consciousness except the genetic mind also runs through time, both past and future. Jung's mass or collective consciousness seems likely to have run only through the present and past. The group consciousness images from the past (even very distant past) that can, as noted by Jung, come up in any dreams seem to relate to the storage banks in the Meier material. Or is this the akashic record, and is there a difference between these two for Figu and Meier folks? It seems to me that similar kinds of images can stretch also into the future from the group consciousness when they represent defining moments for humanity or any of its subgroups. These could also represent a defining moment of choice to go or not go into such and such a type of reality or direction making the image prophetic rather than a prediction. At times I am sure something seen will happen and at others not sure at all whether the event will actually happen. Sometimes I'll have a dream of something and then wake to see it shown on TV later that day, one week or one month later -- often in these natural time cycles. It is difficult to know in these situations whether it is a vision of the future (of the TV program) or a "same time" picking up of a reality occurring or focused on elsewhere while the dream is happening that is then later shown on TV. Thanks, again Chris | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 06-2008 |
Chris: Thank you for the question! I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one having this experience Reece: You can do far more things than I. For a while my thing to dream was flying. I used to live on the 21st floor of a building and it was easy to take off from the window. (don't think it was like jumping from the window to go to the beyond...) no, it was really to fly and it was so fun. I can't fly anymore, maybe because now I have my feet well put on the ground now  Salome | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2009 |
I think it's called a Multi-verse effect!!! As above so below !!! The giant within a giant theory !!! It would also explain and ultimately apply to all past present and future possibilities and probabilities of infinite parameters and points of cause and effect thus co-existing supposedly as one in a so called Universe/Dimensions of reality! Not the one(solid)Stone ... but as one(seen as being separate but not solid, like dust)!!! [Thus the illusion of separateness between 3 points with a 4th hidden factor for final triangulation and final focus and positioning!...] Sorry for the Techno Babble ... but I know somewhere in those jumbled up words something makes sense! If not ... Poofffff!!! First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hi Marcela, I'm typing this from my phone, lol: I like it how you are also interested in dreams, I talk about them to my friends every now-and-then but they don't really think much of them. I read in contact 229 that in around 800 years people will share their dreams with each other and begin to understand each others thoughts and communicate telepathically, so I guess being interested in dreams is something which arises when someone does not perceive the world in a purely materialistic way, and are interested and intrigued by the spiritual reality. I recently read and got the impression that there are actually only very, very few people on Earth who consciously access the storage banks and get memories (16 people however probably more or less now) and that these are advanced spirits of extraterrestrial origin. This means accessing the Storage Banks for memories is apparently quite the thing, however this doesn't seem like an unknown thing to me so I am now curious about trying to see if I can have memories of previous incarnations. Anyway happy dreams Marcela. Reece Stiller | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2009 |
FIRE YOGI of INDIA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La5ZxpbE0s4 can anybody tell wat actually happens at this time.. well the yogi says mantra+pranayam+devotion to his guru & god are the secrets to his amazing feet | ||
Jgarbush Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 09-2009 |
I am a visual learner, so I youtube everything. Does anyoneone know if there are audio tapes regarding billy's spiritual teachings in audio/video format other than Randy Winter's contact notes tapes? I have stubled across somethin I think goes along with what billy is trying to teach. I've read the wiki page on billy's conversation with Jmmanuel. Jmmanuel states that he has tought a select few people his teachings because of reason's I don't remember. I'm wondering if these teachings were the one's passed down from generation to generation, but were kept secret until recently because people are interested in stepping outside of religeon. Link is posted below. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3630286476168321205&ei=grPiSsSWJ5TCqAOZ_63MAg&q=rosicrucian+initiation | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 06-2006 |
Jgarbush re the video you linked to above: The Rosicrucian teachings contain many things that are compatible with Billy's teachings, and many things that are tinged with religious tones and therefore not compatible. In fact, the Kybalion text can be found within one Rosicrucian text I have, almost word for word. Watching things like this could be helpful, but could also cause confusion to what Billy is offering, so you will have to be discerning when viewing/learning from it, keeping in mind that it is a version/explanation with significant differences in some parts to what Billy has placed before us to learn. This is my opinion Robyn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1505 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jgarbush.... I am a bit familiar with the The Rosicrucians. [Knew, few individuals whom said they were into it, in the mid 70ties....] As far as I know, it is also based on just plain old Cult Religious, aspects. And if there is any similar context involved...which may sound similar to the TJ, or what Billy makes know, anew, it is just one of those things which has to do with passing it down 'mouth-to-mouth'(and writings), if you will. Which, as most of us know, can be very deceiving, and thus can/will "Distort" Jmmanuel's True Spiritual Teachings. The Rosicrucians, are just another...branch of Cult Religious dogmas/ indoctrination, based on concepts which is 'distorted'. Just, another - corrupted - format of the TJ, as like-wise is the Bible. So, "they are in the same pot", so to speak. And we KNOW...All that is Christian Bible based, is Not True! The TRUE...Prophet was Jmmanuel, and not the Jesus Christ figure: which is a fabrication, due to False interpretation, etc. And people stepping out of any (Cult) Religion(s), is based, due to their Awareness; which is very positive. They long to live a life and existence, within the TRUE Nature of Nature, and which is a Natural manifestation. And which is, indeed, WITHIN....the True framework...of (The) Creation. Cult Religion....FREE...... Edward. | ||
Jgarbush Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 09-2009 |
Edward, Thanks for the clarification. When I looked at it I thought that it was mostly in line with what Billy was saying. | ||
Jgarbush Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 09-2009 |
Robyn, I think you are spot on. I know my reply's are late. I get these post emailed to me and sometimes I get behind. To everyone that responded to my post. Thank you for the response in advance of me reading it. | ||
C_andre Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi! From Messages...vol 2: 161.So you should not make public the calculation's mathematic and its adherent factors or spread them. 162. Yet you are all right able, to calculate the levels of consciousness of each person you desire to do, and also tell them the values, but you should not tell the form of calculation and its connexions. Anyone knows if Billy decided to wrote a book about this or if he teached to the Core Group how to make this calculations? Besides birth's data and perhaps birth's hour, should need anything else? Carlos | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 317 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi C_andre Soon you would have a thousand internet sites plus various spiritual guides and masters selling custom formulated consciousness calculations. It's hardly any different to fortune telling or astrology when commercialized and if let loose it would soon be commercialized. Why would anyone want to know ..... to compare themselves to others instead of getting on with their own tasks the foremost of which might be to jettison their fascination for comparisons. My consciousness is better than yours just as my religion, house, career, family, good looks, intelligence and so on. What a horror ..... meeting someone with a higher score and if you happen to be peddling consciousness calculation certificates or diplomas then it makes sense to keep your clients happy ... doesn't it, so how real would it become ?Cheers. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 744 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Carlos, if it says right there that he shouldn't reveal the info, why would he write a book on it??? patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
C_andre Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Ramirez I agree with you, i´m just interested in that for personal reasons, i'm looking for some answers... Hi Thomas, you're right, thanks | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2009 |
The Plejaren can send impulses to people. Can Billy Meier send impulses to other people as well? | ||
Silence Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2009 |
He can. I read it in "And Still They Fly". |
