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    Michael_horn Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 07-2009 |
I'll have to try to remember if I heard it in Switzerland or what but my recollection is that androids can and do have spirit forms, they are just sexless. So a person can actually reincarnate, so to speak, as an android in a lifetime. Now it's possible that I was just having an imaginative dream but I think I got this right. So it's not that a human being can manipulate the spirit but rather that the spirit can inhabit an android and have evolution there too. | ||
Lth New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2010 |
> It says right in the contact notes that there are different sorts of droids > used with the Plejaren and one of those does indeed have a spirit form and > free will. I will go with the contact notes on this since they came from > BEAM himself. (Message edited by indi on June 30, 2010) | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1312 Registered: 10-2007 |
<+> Hi Fellow Thinkers, As I recall from somewhere in posts from Jacob (Phaethonsfire) That the highest level of the Petale even does not know how to create new SpiritForms (nor how to "control them" IMO). When the Petale does finally solve this, it will then roll over and merge with the Creation. It would have to be a somewhat "mature" Spirit to become enabled to enter an artificial Bio-entity body. A new SpiritForm would not be capable of doing this by virtue of it's limited capacity. My plugged nickel in the pool. Peace <+> ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 403 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Michael, If androids have spirit form, are those OMEDAM? That would be very cruel. Imagine being born in a laboratory and knowing you are a controlled life-form. Can't even think it. Meier also saw some android fused with the control panel of the ship. Imagine your whole life as part of a ship. Salome. Suv | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1825 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael.... I would agree with you....yes. I think that even....Androids are in need of a Spirit. Just like the Clone(, etc...). We have to keep in mind, that any Living Creature within Creation, even the Flora/Plant Life are in possession of some sort of Spirit Power/Force, to accompany them in their liveliness. Without this Spirit Power/Force they can not function and exist and, in which their Mobility(, Development and Evolution) would stagnate, and thus: they will/would Die. [They need their - Life Battery -, so to speak....; in contrary to a (Mechanical) Robot, who needs to be Recharged every now and than, with some Electric currant or other similar energy source, etc.] The Spirit Power/Force being in each...their own configuration, Logically speaking, of course, due to each having their own purpose of functioning in Life and Existence; within the framework of (The) Creation. Thus, again, we have to take heed to the - Creational Duality -...which is quite a Logical and NEEDED Law/principle within the framework Of (The) Creation in order for all her components to Work and to Function, Within...her. Edward. | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 02-2008 |
About androids, they do not have a human spirit, otherwise they would be called human beings. The androids from the roswell crash as well as the Plejaren's androids do not have a human spirit. Read Contact Report 215, lines 74 to 101. Here's 2 specific lines: Quetzal 85. Either way, the form of consciousness of these bioorganic androids is an artificial-organic element, in which no creative spirit is inherent in any form. ... 92. Their own and appropriate kind of consciousness is contained in their artificial brains, and as I already mentioned, the artificial-bioorganic consciousness does not contain a creative spirit form, which would drive and animate this by its own energies. Reece Stiller | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings Reece, you are indeed a marksman. bullseye.... Jun My will be done. | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 507 Registered: 06-2006 |
Jacob on this forum said the following: An android is a living organism but doesn't have a human spirit form as we do. They are capable of thinking and reasoning, but not in a evolutionary style as humans do, they aren't self-aware as we are. Consciousness-related/spiritual evolution is solely limited to all races and types of human beings (all 40,353,607 natural human races) in the Universe. And, further from Questions to Billy: Hunter Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 01:45 pm Billy, I also have a question on spirit forms. I believe that Ptaah has confirmed to you that other extraterrestrial ships have crashed on earth. Allegedly, one of these vehicles belonged to a non-human group of ET's, commonly called the greys. My question is, will these non-human spirit forms be able reincarnate on Earth in human bodies? And please briefly explain why or why not. Thank you, Hunter ANSWER: The Greys were androids (artificial beings) and had, therefore, no self-evolving spirit forms that could reincarnate here on Earth or elsewhere However, in Bulletin No.44 there is a completely different answer, that you all should read. My thought is that if the android has been made with a simulation of a human brain, then it is considered able to have a 'new spiritform' enter it on the 21st day. However, it would have no knowledge, and would be starting from scratch in that area. I suggest you read the two questions asked by Silvano where the answers are clear. Robyn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1313 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Indeed Robyn. This issue gets more complicated when it considers Clones, (vs) Engineered lifeforms with Artificial Intelligence, and again (vs) the organic brains in control of Star-Ships. For such a Star-Ship would then be a living Entity with the desire for survival and Evolution, Yes? A question arises here: Would a Spirit inhabit an engineered Bio-form with a brain based on Silicone rather than Carbon? Peace *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Lth New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2010 |
> Neither do animals have a creative or human spirit form yet they do have a > spirit form, once again, again to BEAM. It seems like some of you like to > poke at things you think are wrong yet you ignore the info provided. There > is a semi long clip of one of the contact reports where BEAM discusses the > androids that DO have a spirit form and that do reincarnate but only into > similar android lifeforms. Please do not shoot the messenger when I say > that some of you (not all of course) are completely caught up in "being > right" contrary to just wanting to learn. I will leave at that... | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 404 Registered: 06-2009 |
"Would a Spirit inhabit an engineered Bio-form with a brain based on Silicone rather than Carbon?” A spirit could inhibit a brain that is capable of tapping the fine energy of the human spirit plus interact with the CCB. Theoretically, even a laboratory bred human brain based on cloning would be able to do that. I would imagine that when an artificial life of flesh and blood (human or animal or semi-mechanical) would be engineered, it would be capable of being controlled by a human spiritform as long as the brain is totally "human". Silicon/Germanium/whatever based human brain? Who knows? But that technology would be way ahead of even the Plejarens. So ahead, that when we would know it, we would be spiritually advanced enough to understand the pros/cons of using it. Even the Sonaens could not replace a damaged brain. They attached artificial plasma like substance into Semjase's brain which slowly "adapted" to Semjase's consciousness and the neural connections. Salome. Suv | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 304 Registered: 07-2009 |
Regarding androids and spirits, this from Christian: Hi Michael, In FIGU Bulletin Nr. 44 (pages 16- 18) there is detailed information about androids. Yes, they have a spirit form, but a different one than human beings. Androids have miniature "kind-of-batteries" for power supply in their brain. Salome, Christian | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 506 Registered: 10-2008 |
Maybe there should be a difference noted between the Reticulum androids and the Plejar androids . there seems to be a difference in the "spirit or not to spirit" part of this discussscion . | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 508 Registered: 06-2006 |
Mark and all, As has been mentioned before, there are androids and ANDROIDS. Various different 'models' are described in the contact notes and books. Some are capable of bearing a human spirit form, and some are not. The requirement for a human spirit form is that it possess a human brain. Some of these androids have only bioorganic skin etc.... Robyn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 599 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Smukhuti you said "If androids have spirit form, are those OMEDAM? That would be very cruel. Imagine being born in a laboratory and knowing you are a controlled life-form. Can't even think it. Meier also saw some android fused with the control panel of the ship. Imagine your whole life as part of a ship." Any creature who bears a human spirit form is a pre-programmed Omedam which basically means "he who applies and administers Creational Law". I'm sure the plejaren have given their evolution-capable androids all human attributes and traits, except reproduction. They will be an exact copy of the plejaren except in their possibility of having offspring. Unlike you and me, a plejaren evolution capable android will live hundreds of years, suffer no disease, be more intelligent/clever than us, have much improved senses and consciousness...and of course all of them will be treated like human beings. The android fused with the control panel you speak of must be a bioorganic robot/android without spirit form. In my opinion living creatures that do not bear any spirit form do not have any creational role/task/goal (no survival or reproductive instinct in the case of animals, for example). So these androids without spirit form need to be programmed externaly if they want to be aware of themselves (i guess to be aware of yourself is only possible if you bear a spirit form). The robotic androids also need to be "programmed" in order to fulfil tasks because again, they are not aware of themselves and they do not pursue any evolutive or creational task. It's like being "empty". One key lesson in the spirit teaching is; The spirit (inner self) is what really matters, not the personality or the ego. If the spirit form needs an evolutionary "vehicle" (human body with a human brain) in order to learn and evolve, an android body will be fine. Here on earth you have multiple examples that corroborate this: Millions of people are born in disabled bodies, but they seem to be fine, to be content, and dot complain for it. Meier once said that life is worth living under ANY circumstance. I agree with him. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 526 Registered: 03-2007 |
Suv: “Meier also saw some android fused with the control panel of the ship. Imagine your whole life as part of a ship.” Hi, Suv. When you say Meier saw do you mean saw as in “into the future” or in present/past time? The reason I ask is, in the prophecies section of Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums, page 319, Meier projects for our own Earth future a time when scientists will perfect human/animal genetic manipulation (principally human and pig) and create what he refers to as Halbmenschen or "half-people" and in a somewhat similar fashion as the ancestral Sirian overlords, they are trained as fighting machines to lead wars and to do all kinds of work in space. In this rather gruesome scenario, their arms and legs are amputated to be able to connect the nerve tracts with electro-biological apparatus and these people literally become living organs for spaceships, all types of fighting machines and earth transport. This will not go well in the long run though. At this time a new man will appear with the universal teaching of the spirit to present to all mankind of earth. There will be the usual and expected resistance from the existing religions and sects all over the world, but about forty years later, the reincarnation teaching is spread worldwide and will even be recognised by the existing religions. And the Halbmenschen will refuse their miserable existence in inferiority and thus, their exploitation as living controls for spaceships, vehicles and machines will all come to an end. (page 320) Regards Bob | ||
Lth New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2010 |
> Hi Bob, I will not speak for Suv but BEAM saw this sort of android during > his Great Journey. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 06-2009 |
Yeah, Thomas is right. And though I did not referred Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums, what you describe from the book From the depth of Space is exactly the horrible consequence that would come into effect if human spirits are made to incarnate in half-humans, i.e. human-pig or human machine hybrids. Scientists of our time and the near future also would still lack empathy to desist from doing these experiments because of their lack of knowledge on human spirit, on evolution, and as a result, treating half-humans as half-humans and not as humans with forcefully altered physical characteristics and state of being. BTW, the earliest reference of human-pig cross I could find was this: http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/000392.html Does anybody have an even earlier reference? Salome. Suv | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Hector, Thought that too - if such fused androids would have been carriers of human spirit, that would be too inhuman. There are some variety of androids with spirits. But from Christian's reply posted by Michael, it seems, even they are not human spirits: "Yes, they have a spirit form, but a different one than human beings." Could not conceive highly spiritually advanced civilisations, being aware of the secrets of spirit and re-incarnation, creating an human spiit-bearing artificial life-forms which would force some spirit's evolution through a physically altered state (however minute alteration that be) and a life dedicated to fulfilling tasks as per commands of normal human beings. I mean, why are androids required? To have human like intelligent beings with capabilities to do tasks not ordinary human can do with their physical/mental capabilities. There is a sense of purpose in having an android built. If an when an android is built, and it is granted real free will, that purpose may not be fulfilled. So there needs to be control. Control of a life-form bearing human spirit does not make sense however perfect that life form be. To put that into perspective, if my first memories would have been an engineer fitting my life like, but artificial butt in place, I would be real pissed off for the whole of my life, however loving my surrounding humans be. "Why it had to be me?" that question would come again in the mind. Next question - "Who are responsible for my miserable existence?". Similar situation could happen if the human pig clones and half human half machines have human spirit form. This is not similar to humans borning with disabilities, because they know that their state of existence was not wilfully engineered by his/her parents. --------------- Dear Suv, You seem to still have confusion about the spiritforms as described by me and others with regard to androids. I suggest you read the Bulletin No.44 and get it clear. It is all explained in there. Robyn (Message edited by indi on July 02, 2010) Salome. Suv | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Robyn, I looked up Bulletin Nr. 44 and all I got were two sections: one section for 15 pages worth of info on the Dalai Lama, and 4 pages of info on "UFO-watching". Nothing about androids there. Could you please provide a link maybe? ------------ Sonik you must have been looking at a Sonder-Bulletin rather than just 'Bulletin'. Here is a link to a pdf of the Bulletin No.44. You will find two questions from Silvano on androids beginning on page 16. It can also be viewed on the webpage if you prefer. http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/bulletin/figu_bulletin_44.pdf?download Robyn (Message edited by indi on July 03, 2010) | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 600 Registered: 04-2006 |
There are a few new things a have learned from Bulletin 44.... - Androids (Androids according to plejaren standars, I mean) do possess a personality or ego, and a bioorganic psyche, too. Thanks to this psyche and their artificial nervous system they can feel pleasure, pain, sorrow, joy, etc etc.. - Androids have limitations, like having an in-built security measure that prevents rising against humans or their creators. Androids do not have sexual instincts or desire. - Androids take their living energy not from food and drinks, but from built in generators and special products which do not produce excrement. - Android spirit forms will ONLY reincarnate in android bodies. This is a creational law, "Alles nach seiner Art" (Any living creature will grow, evolve and reincarnate according to it's kind/species). Androids do learn and evolve very very fast, because much of their knowledge is "eingepflanzt" (planted, inserted) in their brains with suggestive methods. (This is my own interpretation and translation of Billy's answer to Silvano, and it can contain errors). | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2006 |
Thanks Robyn, I read it through Google Translete. Very cool! | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 06-2006 |
For those who like to speculate on Androids - link at the bottom here makes for essential viewing one would think. understandably a lot of people screaming 'hoax' on this, and still could be allrite no doubt - however - actually rather a very intriguing little video clip for quite a number of reasons - particularly owing to the astonishing issue insofar as the following...there are still maybe 1 or 2 things that might account for it (one has to be careful with this sort of thing) yet in regard to the hypothetical phasing in and out of the being (and chair!) - what appears to be the two-barred wooden fence in the extreme background is going from being totally obscured by (being/chair) to then intermittently coming into full view!! (unobstructed from view by being/chair) to get a better idea of this, one thing that can be done is to download it and play it in 'Gom' mediaplayer using the frame by frame playback. is rather startling to see it in frame by frame. anyway worth a look - also interesting to note that if one is to run with the fun hypothesis that this is actually is an Android - and that he/it is using an invisibility cloak - that it is not just covering the body alone but also rendering the chair to be unseen as well - maybe ET invisibility cloaks can extend to a larger area around the original source from where they are being emitted from? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axeFnzsg3gI Dig the well before you are thirsty. ~Chinese Proverb |
