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    Hector Member Post Number: 618 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Eddieamartin when forum participants do correct other forum participants they dont do this for trivial reasons, we all here do not wish the socalled spirit teaching to be wrongly understood once again. Mad individuals will consciously try to falsify or distort the core of the spirit teachings. It happened in the past with christianity and islam, and it cannot happen once again. Open minded people will not consciously try to manipulate and falsify Meier's material, but they could spread and make popular wrong interpretations of the 'Geisteslehre'. Something that is quite dangerous too. What I want to say is, do not take corrections as an offense or as an excess of authority. Interpreting the spirit teaching in a correct way is not difficult, but it is a learning process that takes time, patience and is subject to its inherent good moments and bad moments. Up and downs, like everything in life. Btw, thank you for taking your time and participating in this forum. Sorry for being off-topic. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 08-2010 |
To Hector - Thank you my friend, I'm right there with your statement. Do know that I have no ego with this as I am literally like a kid on christmas eve just waiting for the time to open those toys(!) and really want to prepare myself for when I sit down with Billy in due time. To Phenix - Your post is exactly among that which I learned in my experience. Mind you that it 'shattered' what I thought were correct and religious pertaining. Which is what led me to seek and question many religious people who I found to be very spiritual and wise, but who could never explain or expound. Much actually challenged them rather harshly and challenged what 'defined' them to my disappointment and frustration. I even lost the friendship of a long-time friend over this. Can you imagine what it has been like for me to read the Contact Notes? To Robyn - I know of and understand the quote you posted on Billy's explanation on death and so on. Neither of that was my experience. Within that experience I had what we may call an introduction to a man, by another individual, who passed away in Europe in 1844. I have his name and everything. The three of us had a lengthy conversation and discussion. I got to experience certain things. And no, there is no Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of the human race or God the Father or a Devil and his evil angels that go around tempting man to turn him away from God. I could go on but it would serve no edification here and be a waste of forum page. I was going to post my Contact Notes sources for what I have posted, but feel the sense to perhaps exercise some prudence and the little bit of wisdom I have attained thus far. Perhaps you know something I don't. Perhaps I may have either misinterpreted or misunderstood what I have studied. Would you be so kind please, when time freedom permits you, to post the Teachings from the Contact Notes that contradict what I have posted? I need to now make a comparison analysis as I need to be on the correct path because my time to prepare my knowledge and understanding is set and somewhat limited until I can sit down with Billy to understand certain things from my experiences. It has been impressed upon me the importance of learning the German language and I have made some drastic adjustments and sacrifices in order to implement Ptaah's recommendation regarding the study of the German language. Until then, I feel it important to do a comparison analysis. Thank you for all your efforts. Know that I truly appreciate it and never worry about any ego with me. Wanting to prove that one is right (whether he is or not) is childish and immature. I prefer to obtain and possess the accurate information. Thank you for the study recommendations, I'm on it. Respectfully, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 549 Registered: 06-2006 |
Eddie, This is how I see it in the very least is: 1. You believe you had a conversation with these two people when you died from poisoning or when you were in the Beyond, and in fact it was only in your imagination. OR 2. You accessed information from your storage bank whilst you were near death, and turned it into the experienced scenario, using your creative imagination. OR 3. You did have a conversation with the two people. Now, from the perspective of the Meier information, only 2 is possible, and 1 only possible if you were near death and not actually dead. No.3, if it was true, would mean that Billy is not giving us correct information, is not telling us the truth. I have pointed out to you the things from your post that were not in line with what Billy teaches. I don't know what more I can say about it. You are claiming that what you experienced is in agreement with what you read in the contact notes and therefore verified or validated in some way. If so, then please provide your references because to me and likely others, that just does not make sense or it not logical with regard to what Billy has actually written. You will have to seek out yourself from the contact notes, and other source material including all his books, and the summaries from Jacob and others on this forum etc.... to find what Billy is in fact saying. Robyn | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thank you Robyn, This is surely something I must dive into much deeper and I will take what you have said into great consideration. Perhaps there is more to the puzzle. I regret that there is no way for me to go into all the details here. You have brought certain things to my attention that I need to reevaluate and analyze all the corresponding elements of this one particular experience. I am intrigued by certain things in this experience because Semjase in particular showed very keen awareness and knowledge of in the Contact Notes. Something no religious individual had ever been able to demonstrate. Either way, this is something I must wrestle with and get to the bottom of. Or perhaps that's where Billy will be of great help to me. Thank you for your patience and the willingness to be of help and direction. I ordered the book you recommended, it should help answer some of my questions. Thank you again, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 371 Registered: 10-2004 |
Logically, within the construct of conceptuality, as opposed to an objective and relativistic reality, anything that is conceived is actual. Love is always the way | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 516 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Eddie, What exactly is it that you are seeking information about or confirmation of ? Try to focus on the key component of that which when discovered would make other pieces fall into place. One brick at a time. Walls are built that way. Cheers. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hi Scott, Hi Robyn, I have made some progress. You have helped me shed some light on some things I have been trying to figure out for so long. Let me know your thoughts and inputs, thnx. Oh, let us separate "My-Personal-Experience" and the "My-Experience" so I don't cause further confusion. In my research, I confirmed what Billy explained in what you guys pointed out. Here is the interesting thing; what I had learned, to my on-going curiosity and confusion, that everyone who died (not passed-away permanently) had unique and individual experiences (though there was a common thread which you helped me discover). (?) - A missing piece of the puzzle has been "why and what is the 'design-purpose' by CREATION that we can generate this phenomenon and experience? Now, connect that with this other finding: i. Depending on the individual's religious, philosophical or subconscious interpretation, when they enter this area outside of the body can cause the materialization of what we 'expect' or 'suspect to be' what we're 'supposed' to experience. Ok, now. i. Jmmanuel was not under this influence when he died (not passed-away permanently). Neither was Billy when he met Ptaah aboard the egg-shaped mothership; ...his experience when they went into hyperspace with the new technology that allowed them to remain there for several minutes and how the Plejarens use it to experience eternity without having to physically die. (?) If one were to enter this 'area' (for lack of better terminology) with that power to create phenomenon, it would be different correct? Meaning thus; 1. We know that in that 'area' or 'realm' or 'hyperspace' -unless we are passing away permanently, we can manifest and create a tangible experience based on religious, etc. influences -so powerful is the ability to generate an experience, and a false one at that because of the unintended misleading indoctrination of particular beliefs or subconscious expectations becoming neurally programed. 2. A belief, for example, is stored in neural programmings. Depending on the severity of the programming specific detaching of those neural connections within the brain must be exercised out through time and effort and the knowledge. 3. In my-experience, as with the other people I researched, I see that what my experience revealed goes farther and deeper than the 'my-personal-experience' (focusing on it). So, and please share what you can with this, you have opened some new thinking. Would it make a difference if one were to experience this 'area' with a neutral, balanced consciousness, without any influence of any kind (neural-programing), except with the correct knowledge- (?) Is this where the Plejarens experience "TRUTH" ? (?) What would it be like for say Jmmanuel? (?) Since Jmmanuel knew of his upcoming experience and took no steps to avoid it, what would his experience be? (?) What if we overcome this great "sin" committed against us by unethical and immoral ET's in Earth's past? Ah, so many questions. Thank you once again, you've been a great help. When I next have the time, I would like to go further; it's late now 3:00 a.m. and I have an early morning my friends. Thanks again, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 517 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Eddie, You might find these videos useful. A series of 3 about 10 minutes each. The problem with various non conventional states is that there are so few persons with an understanding of the actual dynamics involved who can relate or explain to persons experiencing such episodes what it actually might be they are experiencing. So it might feel weird, difficult to rationalize & explain but if the story is related to someone with a knowledge & perhaps personal experience of such things ..... the experience sheds it's cloak of fear and mystery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvKByYOPdo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Xwdvb6FXM&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4isvbxN-wGo&feature=channel Also you might trawl Youtube for Stanislav Grof. Here is the first video of a lecture series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sYU9qjqGdM&feature=related Then a 28 minute interview with Stanislav Grof about non ordinary states. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn-P-S6eFxQ&feature=related Then the first of another series of 6x10 minute videos about near death experiences and similar with Stanislav Grof. Please note: Dr Grof is a very open minded man rather than a believer .... there's a huge difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJaBZyuRChg&feature=related And just to keep the moderators happy a link to the Meier material ..... A very short interview with Carl Jung. Billy actually had a 45 minute conversation with him  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Ab3tlpvYA&feature=related So with all that new information to digest ..... Also if you read enough of the contact reports & specialized booklets ..... Billy has released more accurate information regarding all manner of mysterious mind - psyche related things than all the worlds famous shrinks cobbled together and has done so using layman's terminology where possible .... priceless. Relax your mind, read material which seems to make sense, join the dots then maybe a new picture will start to emerge. Well with all that behind us let's get back on topic ..... The Spirit, Spirit Forms and the Psyche. Cheers. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 08-2010 |
> > > > Ramirez, thank you. I'm going to view them all. > Scott and Robyn just opened a whole new world and a new perspective after analyzing my own and the other people I had researched trying to make sense of the variations in everyone's experience. That was always a puzzle. Not the aspects of what Semjase expounded on, or Billy's explanation. I failed to see beyond the 'events' that everyone experienced. It hadn't dawned on me that the Being in this state under the right mental and conscious conditions would not be influenced and thereby materialize these events due to free-will and the power of the Creative force around us= . The ability to so powerfully and suddenly manifest a tangible reality and tap into this "Law of Love" is fascinating. My excitement now is, since this experience is permitted, perhaps even by 'design' by CREATION(?) The message is not to brush people away and say "Oh, that was just your this or that and therefore there is nothing to gain from it since..." Know what I mean? Why would this experience be a reality of sort should someone die (not pass-away permanently)? How does this contribute to the spiritual evolution and why and how are the Plejarens benefiting besides simply experiencing the eternity aspect of the experience? Why have higher evolved Beings shared this technology with people such as the Plejarens who have evolved to a certain spirituality? If the Plejarens are human beings just like us, is this understanding and knowledge important to the spiritual evolution? I have realized, thanks to Scott and Robyn, that I shouldn't focus on the actual event since what I initially observed was my own creation utilizing certain inherent abilities and/or Laws. Thus Semjase's comment and explanation about musing about and finding it hard to believe that we struggle through life wishing and wanting to attain what we want or dream about when we really can simply create it and so on in her explanations. There has to be a reason or purpose for the experience correct? And if so, looking at the actual events that each person had unfolded out o= f body (died), we can see how religious doctrines, philosophies or subconscious beliefs programed into our neural system is exactly what the Plejarens have been saying regarding our religions and our belief systems. This would explain one reason why they feel bad for what their ancestors ha= d done to us. What would my experience have been had I not had certain ideas or beliefs lodged in my neural makeup? I have experienced, in some scary and violent situations, the ability to 'walk ahead' of myself and actually look back and see myself and the others and proceed further and look around and see if someone or a threat was ahead. I know of others that have experienced this too. I also know, that Zen masters can experience this through mastering meditative brain waves and have accomplished astral projecting. So , through meditation, one can enter this realm/area as I understand Zen master claims. And if so, how can we all benefit and what can we gain in attributes by putting all these things together? (meditation exercises and development= , ridding of neural programmings, and embodiment and reprogramming of our neural sites as the Plejarens and Jmmanuel for example differ with us). This has opened an entirely new window for me. Any thoughts or findings on this from your studies or experiences? Thanks for the videos. I'm going to check them out. Eddie > > > [7:-) | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 02-2009 |
We all know that animals and plants also have spirit-forms that are different to humans..when do the plant-spirit-forms from the 'beyond', enter the seeds/pollens/conifers/spores. I think when the sufficient conditions are created for any of the above mentioned types of reproductiion in plants, the plant-spirit-form enters into it..Is there any specific time for plant & animal spirit-forms that spends time in the beyond(like humans it is 1.52x).. Anything that has a cause, will come to an end. - Jiddu Krishnamurthy | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1918 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mahigitam.... I was pondering on similar question some time back. Even, within WHAT time frame would the Spirit-form of an animal enter it's new mother to be. As you mentioned to your question: indeed, it would best occur when... circumstance are quite favorable; Logically speaking. But, the question is still: within, WHAT time span would the Spirit-form be released from it's Spirit realm, before incarnating, once again? Would be a good question to Billy? [If, no one, here....has any further information?] Even astonishing to KNOW of the Spirit Power/Force within the Plant Life. Indeed, they too acquire a Life Force to maintain their liveliness, from a seed up till they grow to become a full plant: it be, from a flower to an immense tree sort, etc..... Truly: The Wonders of Creation! Edward. | ||
Bianca Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 03-2009 |
In one of Billy's earlier writings, he mentions that when he was very young he use to get beaten and punished and ridiculed. He also mentions that he was advised to let it happen [to be beaten] telepathically, so as not to suffer 'Psychic damage'. Maybe this action only applied to Billy then, but my question is how is it possible for the Psyche to not suffer damage? thanks, b. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 317 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Bianca, maybe it's easier for a young person to have to go through these things instead of first learning how to deal with a bully as an adult. And since so much of our childhood gets lost or forgotten it would be much easier as a child to learn to deal with bullies. It doesn't matter where you go, you always run into them. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 535 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Bianca, As a recipient of ill treatment there is a tendency for the mind to accumulate aggregations of vibrations of a particular frequency which until dispersed or dissolves act like a lava chamber of energies beneath a broadcasting - receiving station. These form the power source for associations which then fuel feelings, emotions and projections .... usually negative ones like despair, anger, frustration. It's an ongoing emotional time bomb often leading to neurotic disorders. By not allowing such vibrations to accumulate through the action of non attachment - non attentiveness which is something akin to switching off at the time of traumatic events the possibility for these energies to accumulate is greatly reduced or prevented. Example: If suddenly someone starts belting you up, making accusations and so on this would immediately provoke a series of strong emotions .... like radiation from a nuclear device exploding. In principle it's identical. Huge reserves of life force are depleted and converted into toxic reservoirs of sub atomic vibrational concentrations which can remain dormant for an entire lifetime gradually leaking out thereby negatively distorting your perceptive viewing prism of life in general and other persons. When there is an association then seemingly irrational reactions arise against persons or situations which subconsciously remind you of such a traumatic event and in some cases these associations have become disguised or symbolized .... spiders, snakes .... different phobias can be the result of a single or series of past traumatic episodes. Whilst difficult in practice Billy managed to develop a technique to avoid accumulating such energies from an early age. Cheers. | ||
Lth Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 06-2010 |
Hello everyone. I have it in my notes from somewhere that the spirit is automatically drawn to the foetus on the 21st day after conception and that the process is automatic. I also have it noted that the foetus and the spirit have opposite polarities of some sort and that brings them together. I was under the impression that the material could have no direct impact or effect on anything in the spiritual realm so I do not understand how the foetus could attract the spirit or spirit form in any such way. I believe this info in my notes came from this forum and possibly from a passive or core group member. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2060 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Thomas, Good question. Also how is it that the spirit bonds with the body, since they are two entirely different formations. Perhaps it has to do with vibrations, but I'm not sure. Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1379 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello Thomas, In following a certain line of logical thinking, let's consider some facts.: The Human mother and father each contributes their respective DNA sequence to the new Zygote. The result is a unique new DNA sequence which determines all the characteristics of the forming foetus. The Foetus generates specific proteins based on the DNA sequence, and the brain begins to generate frequencies which are broadcast from the pineal of the emergent psyche. The Spirit tunes into the resonance of the psyche and forms a bond by virtue of the Gamuet of the Spirit, which finds the Individual conscious Block will "best-fit" the emerging character to imbed the personality. The Spirit will now take residence in the Foetus and spread itself through the brain and throughout the entire body to assume it's mastery over all the cells of the body giving it life as a Human Being. This process all has the basis in the resonance, the match of characteristics from the heritage of the DNA with the personality characteristics of the specific Consciousness Block. By resonance the merging is completed. For a deeper discussion, go here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/10708.html#POST45411 This should give you some basis for your own logical thinking and further research.  Peace *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Lonnie Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 12-1999 |
Dear Thomas, It is my understanding that the incoming spirit is attracted to the spirit of the mother by vibrations. The spirit also considers the vibrations of the family. Before turning into a foetus the spirit chooses between 5 possible mothers. If aborted by one, it can go to another. It settles on the one that is most compatable for it's evolution considering all circumstances, including the father and both sides of the family. The spirit within the consciousness block will then bond by creating the brain and the body of the child using the DNA of the parents. It is a bonding by Universal/Creational laws. Lonnie O'day Morton/FIGU Passive Group | ||
Lth Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 06-2010 |
> Where in FIGU publications did you learn this Lonnie? I haven't read that > so far. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 538 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Lonnie, "Before turning into a foetus the spirit chooses between 5 possible mothers." That is an interesting statement because it indicates that between material incarnations the spiritform has some sort of active rational intelligence enabling it to make a choice. Examine the logic: If you are unconscious and someone opens a picture album showing images of 5 females .... how are you able to decide and determine which seems most suitable to be your next mother ? Whilst on the other side it probably doesn't work that way in practice but you get the idea and it would be really ideal if someone could explain exactly how this (making a choice) actually occurs if it's accurate that a choice is possible. However in an early Semjase contact report was mention concerning some details of an existence between incarnations and contactable spirits so .... something must be going on or was Semjase just pulling Billy's leg. So the notion that a spiritform only develops a unique and lasting personality after passing through 60-80 billion years worth of re-incarnations is again cast under the spotlight. Cheers. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 09-2007 |
It's not necessarily a conscious process. It's just an attraction by affinity, like it happens "down here". While one can think and discover later all the reasons that made two persons be attracted or drawn to each other, the existance of that attraction was not due to any conscious reasoning. wey | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1947 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Yes, I would agree with Lonnie. [Nice to see you on the board, Lonnie!] Have read his statement before. Ramirez: NO, the Spirit-form does NOT have any active rational (intelligence) enabling it to make a choice. This is all conducted and processed within Creational Laws; which conducts this act of Initiating the/it's Compatibility to house the proper mother and host foetus/child, to be; as far as I have gathered. Remember: in the above mentioned process the Spirit-form is ALWAYS Unconscious! Unable to initiate NOTHING. Creation, lends a hand...here, so to speak. But, it is mentioned that Mature Spirit-forms may to some point Initiate certain 'requests'. But, still... Creation has "the last word", so to speak. Edward. | ||
Lth Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 06-2010 |
So Lonnie, where did you read this exactly? I don't know if you responded or maybe do not intend to, but just in case you missed my post, I was wondering where you read the information you posted above if you wouldn't mind. This info doesn't match what I have read so maybe I have the wrong idea. Either way, I would like to correct any misunderstandings that I have whenever possible. Thanks in advance for your response. |
