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    Smukhuti Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Marbar, A person who has done something wrong in the past and has to be properly instructed so that s/he refrain from such activity in future. However, if s/he does not learn from past misdeeds, appropriate action must be taken so that the person atone his/her guilt. But the punishment must not be carried out with a sense of vengeance, anger, frustration. This is good for both that person (s/he learn from his/her mistake) as also for the person carrying out/enforcing the punishment (s/he is not demoting himself/herself to the level of the same culprit who is acting out of hatred, vengeance) as also for greater cause of establishing peace and climate of justice and fairness. For a similar topic reference, consult "Fight against Torture and Death Penalty" ( link ), which explains that those who demand, and carry out torture and capital punishment, are no better than the criminals. Also refer this from GoT 1:118) Do not beat the guilty ones, the criminals, the thieves, liars, deceivers and adulterers, and do not kill (murder) the manslayers (murderers) as a punishment for the crime committed on the killed (murdered), rather practise equitableness (fairness) and demand atonement through application of the laws and recommendations of the primal power (Creation) which are not directed towards revenge, hatred and retribution but rather towards forbearance, forgiveness, reconciliation and benevolence (humanity), therefore every punishment shall only be given in true humanity, without harming life and limb, but so that the guilty ones understand the signs (warnings) of atonement and may rue the deed. Also note that forgiveness does not mean letting go a murderer go unpunished and also that forgiveness does not mean one cannot act in self defence or that one cannot kill in self defence if that is the only and last option. For example, again from GoT: 1:283)…….. therefore do not pursue those who believe themselves to be your enemies either in order to impose evil revenge and retribution on them, because persecution and revenge and retribution are as bad as manslaughter;if your self-appointed enemies attack you, then fight against them with gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit (logic and rationality), with words and deeds, but you shall not kill in degeneracy but only if there is an inescapable danger to your life, so that you only kill in defence in extremis (self-defence) when your life is threatened; when however the ones who believe they are your enemies let go of you then show them benevolence (humanity) and forgiveness so that there will be peace between you. So: 1) OUR evolution is in our control and it is OUR choice to forgive and WE have the power to exercise OUR discretion and knowledge. 2) Add to that the negative effect that feelings of hatred, vengeance has on the psyche which can be avoided if we realise that we should act in self defense as required and work toward handing out humane and just corrective punishment to the culprit and if we do not have the power to administer such punishment, then we should co-operate with the authorities to do so. Salome. Suv | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 06-2009 |
To forgive someone is not an act of cowardice, but of might and power because it symbolise exercise of responsibility: 1. Responsibility in exercising your wisdom and take ownership of your evolution and prevent your psyche and consciousness from being harmed. 2. Responsibility in setting up good example to the culprit and thus help in his/her evolution. 3. Responsibility in acting for greater peace in the society. To forgive is also not to forget as we must learn from our past experience and mistake of others. Here is an example showing benefits of forgiveness: Someone attacks you without provocation. You defend yourself and then report to the appropriate authorities. That person, after going through corrective measure realises his/her mistake and stop bothering you. You forgive that person. Result: - i) Your psyche is not burdened by hatred and vengeance, ii) The culprit learns a lesson that there is no punishment in backing down/letting go or asking for mercy, and iii) There is no cycle for violence between you and the culprit. Salome. Suv | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 12-2009 |
When people who don't believe in a creator-god, they are called an Atheist. But, way before a concept of a creator-god came to be, there were civilizations and the pepole did not believe in a creator-god. These people were called nothing and they were just people with no religious labels such as Christian or Muslim. Now, my question: When a person try his best to live and act accordingly to the Laws of Creation, what name was given to the person? Assuming a religious person asked that question. Any experiences? If so, what have that person named you you or called you? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 631 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Marbar the spirit teaching/Geisteslehre has not been classified by theologists yet. So you won't be able to describe the spirit teaching trying to compare it with other creeds, faiths or ideologies, because the spirit teaching has been brought quite recently (1975-present)and is only known in small circles. There are a few coincidences and similarities with pantheism (the universe and the creator are the same thing)and deism ("god" does not intervene in human affairs), but please "handle with care" those stances and philosophical views... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism When I'm asked what kind of faith or creed I follow, I say I have found a source that corrects errors, mistakes, lies and falseness included in the major religions. I tell them that I have had access and am studying the newest, up to date and error free version of their religion. A that point 33% of the people consider me a threat, a potential danger to their faith, an infidel or a freak. Another 33% (atheists and scientific empiricists) ask for evidence/physical proof supporting my statements. The final 33% wants to know more, and that's when I tell them about the Billy Meier case. Of course, do never evangelize/missionize, do never try to convince people against their will. Just wait until the time is ripe. Saalome | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2008 |
I usually say that I don't have a belief , but an understanding . As for faith , I've got faith in myself , the randomness of luck , both good and bad , and cause and effect . | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 631 Registered: 10-2005 |
Well put guys... nicely worded... | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2004 |
Love can act as the basis for a faith, and even when faith is no longer necessary, love remains a foundational concept. Of course, this doesn't mean that love becomes a 'creator god', only that love is involved in making sense of the workings of reality. Lieben und Leben : ) | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1956 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Marbar.... I would say to such individual(s), that: I am a man of NATURE. I live in accordance and Respect....Cosmic(Creational) Laws. And that I Do Not 'believe'...but - Acknowledge - the Power and Forces of this Creating body/entity(: Energy/Consciousness); which we are all a Spark of. And thus, am Not associated with any type of Religion but...manifest (myself) within the framework of: (A) Way Of Being. Edward. | ||
Loveofcreation New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2010 |
Good Day Everyone, It has been a very long while since I've been on here. I had to change my user name as I forgot my password. Be as it may, Edward, I love your post (1956). That is also how I approach my answers to those who ask me what I follow. When I found Billy, I had a full knowing that I finally found the truth. As I have said before, since I was a small child, I knew of the 'people in the sky' watching us, there would be a man that would teach the truth and it took me 32 years to find him. Now that I have, I would very much like to meet him in person. The truth makes itself known in very real ways, often unexplainable to those who do not understand. So, with that, I continue to learn, search and study everything I can. Peace to all! Amanda (once Enlightenedatlast) | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Amanda, Welcome back to the forum, under your new name! - you wrote - "When I found Billy, I had a full knowing that I finally found the truth." well it just reminded me of something i experienced one time, for real no exageration - first time reading Billy's OM book - kind of felt this Zap effect wherein (again for real) you just get the impression that book is something just well off the scale, like as it it were written in stone or something - hard to explain i remember just gaping at it and just getting an overall wow factor indeed, like really beholding something of a very truthful nature i guess...is the best way of explaining it. kind of a bookworm me - and didnt't really get quite that kind of jolt anywhere else ever - the closest that came one time, in a philosophical/spiritual vein was - i read the bhagavad-gita when i was about 20 - which therefore maybe came close but not quite the same at all - guess maybe my subconcious was still struggling/grappling with it, or whatever...maybe figuring that there was something very wrong in it...in spite of the good points here and there. well subsequent to that experience - think i remember reading on the forum - that this jolt effect (sorry cant quite recall the exact words of that but something in that vein at lest, could've sworn i read something about it, unless i'm imagining things!) had been experienced by others in respect to the reading of these Truth books by Billy. Bolt of lightning no less! & For me its the OM - even more than Billy's Goblet of Truth, as amazing as that is of course. But guess thats a personal thing. However just something about the OM- like its written in stone, even also Lol at the way i have it stored away in a special hiding place, squirrell like - very important tome that it is!, needless to say. ok was just thinking of that is all. once again welcome back. :-) Dig the well before you are thirsty. ~Chinese Proverb | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Amanda, welcome back, I like your statement about finding the truth and how the truth will make itself known to us. It will find those who are looking but it will pass over those that aren't. Truth could be right next to them/us and they/we are blind or indifferent to it and unimpressed by it. Back when I was in a church the discussion came up about everyone's favorite scripture and I was always drawn to the seek the truth and be set free one. I was looking and it found me, then I began the incredibly hard work of objectively and honestly taking responsibility for my life and it's related consequences and I'm still sorting out attitudes and programming that we all must do. Being grounded in reality does turn a person around and sets them in a different and quite difficult direction of self directed personal examination and the consequentially related changes that honest effort yields. Peace, Matt | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1966 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Amanda... Welcome back! Nice to know that my input helped out a bit. See you soon again, on this board.... Edward. | ||
Loveofcreation New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2010 |
To everyone, I sincerely Thank you all for your warm welcome. I have a question, which I 'think' may be of some value. I'm not exactly sure where to post this question, so I will here first. (Moderators, please let me know if this is not the appropriate place) My oldest daughter (18) is pregnant and due to have her child ( a girl) on February 22, 2011. Before she knew/we knew, she stated that the name 'Nova' hit her hard as a name for her future child. I have understood, cannot remember where, that the spirit will 'inform/inspire' the true name of the child to the mother. Is this so? I'd like to think so as I told my daughter to go with that name since it 'came' to her. Do any of you recall something like this in Billy's texts? Any help would be appreciated. Amanda (p.s. - Michael Horn, I am very happy to see that you are bringing the knowledge/information to colleges around the U.S. and Canada. I'd would love to see you come to the college I attend as well. We have very many students intersted in UFO's, which I have discussed the Billy Meier Case with them and they become alert and even engaged. It would be a nice addition to the many Forums we have. I will email you about it.) | ||
Pele Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2010 |
Hi Amanda, Nova in Portuguese means "new", and even for the Portuguese language I believe it is a great name. Never meet or heard of a Brazilian or Portuguese person call "NOVA". Pele | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Amanda, The spiritform 'selects' its body purely on a vibrational basis, there is no consciousness which chooses a body to incarnate in. Also the spiritform is not capable of any conscious communication towards the mother or inspire the mother to the true name of the child. If your daughter came up with the name 'Nova' it's most likely something that your daughter feels strongly about. This could be an intuitive impulse from your daughters own subconsciousness. The reasons for that could be manifold. There are ways to properly determine a name for a child based on gender, birthdate, birth-time and other factors which can be calculated. However its essential that time and date have to be very accurate and to be recorded at the moment when the child passes with the top of the head out of the mother. I have looked up the name Nova, in the book of Names of Billy, the only name really close is "Nowa", since the letter 'V' does not exist in the ancient languages. "6360 interplanetare NAMEN in ihrer URFORM und deren BEDEUTUNG" Band II J-P Page: 287 Noowa (Nowa) = Die aus sich heraus strahlt This means = "She who radiates/shines from within" Names ending on an 'a' are - as far as I know - always meants as names for females. The book of names contain the basic calculations to determine the proper name of a child. A name is very important since it also contains a vibrational profile so to speak which must match the child, the correct or false name can make or break a life so to speak. Welcome to the forum. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Jacob, What do you mean a name can make or break a life? What would be the consequences of an extremely false name? I have a very false name, which is also my father's name. I was named after him. It suits him, as my father is very primitive in many ways and materialistic, but I always felt like that name was a very heavy burden for me to carry along with me on my life. What are the consequences of a false name, and how can they "make or break" a life? Should I change my name if I don't like it? Thanks, Sonik_01 | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 496 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Jacob, Is the name Semjasa listed in the book of names? I am referring to the ET who fathered ADAM. Was Semjasa even his real name or a title or he was named wrong? In contact 191, the meaning attributed to Semjasa is 'The Demigod'. Saalome. Suv | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Jacob, Was there an exception for Billy when he was born? Didn't he have to be born on that day/time and with that name? This link is to the numbers/symbols section where Billy's Numerology Chart Analysis was done purely by a numerology software program, and it makes me wonder if he had to be born with that exact name. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/6816.html#POST22964 | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 04-2006 |
Can one of the Moderators please fix that page to that link i provided before, so that page is readable? It has some large images which wrecked it. Thanks | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 530 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Smukhuti, In the book of names, band III, page 381, name 141 it reads: Semjaasan (Semjasan) = Der Halbgott Which means semi-god or halfgod. The spritual teachings state the following: elo-JHWH = semi-god / male form elo-JHRH = semi-godess / female form People who have obtained this level of developed are 'half-way' to the level of a 'King or Queen of Wisdom' These titles can also be obtained for knowledge of technology, history, engineering, biology, so its not exclusively for people who study the spiritual teachings. A person with a (elo) JHRH/JHWH level in astronomy, or any other science doesn't have to be a wise person, that is only obtained by people who follow the spiritual teachings. For example the ring nebula in Lyra, M57 in Lyra is a man made object, by person with a JHWH rank, but NOT in spiritual knowledge and wisdom. The plejarens call this object JHWH MATA (= the eye of god) As far as I know Semjasa was his actual name. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 531 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Sonik_01, A name consists of letters which have according to its native language a numerical value attached to them. Numerical values can be directly extrapolated back to values of vibrational impulses of the space/time (location of the person) and the person him/herself. The location, time, date, gender, parents and surroundings are of influence to the newborn, therefor the newborn needs to have a name which matches as closely as possible. If the name is a complete mismatch with the person, the numerical values of the name do NOT match with the person, then it can and will cause a lot of negativity. You can compare this a little bit to the wrong size cog in a gearbox, it can partially work for a limited time, but it has a very high chance of failing. If you think your name is incorrect for you, I would advice you to think about changing it, but keep in mind that another name which has to be chosen should be a good match to you, or you would swap a bad name for another bad name. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2006 |
Thanks Jacob, Sonik_01 | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 498 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Jacob, Would that mean that the old Lyrians were not named keeping their gender in mind - because Semjasa ends with an 'a' even though he was a male not a female? Saalome. Suv |
