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Jacob
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Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Eddieamartin,

I will try to answer you to best of my ability.
The communication between your late wife Lucy and her Father could be very well a form of primary telepathy, how you describe this seems a lot the use of that ability, they were able to receive and understand each others impulses because they were close as a father and daughter.
It is much harder to use primary telepathy on a ‘untrained’ recipient since they are much more insensitive to those kind of impulses, it would require a lot of concentration on the senders side and the recipient would often dismiss those impulses as ‘nonsense’ or stray thoughts.

Near death experiences are as varied as there are human beings on this planets, ranging from angel experiences, demonic, etc. totally depending on the person who has them.
Out-of-body experiences and seeing what other people do with you is an ability of the material-consciousness to sense things triggered by a traumatic experience.
The material-consciousness is able to grasp things with a maximum range up to three light-seconds maximum, where the spirit-consciousness has a universal range.
It has to be said that the ability of the material consciousness is a very useful one, however its not perfect because the material consciousness itself is not perfect, this in contrast with the spiritual consciousness which is infallible, and will perfectly detect any giving situation and object regardless.
The spiritual consciousness is only bound by the limits of its spiritual development, so the spiritual consciousness of for example a JHWH cant detect things in the pure spiritual level of Arahat Athersata or even the High Counsel, since there vibrations are on a much too high level to be detected, let alone understood.
The Universal Consciousness (the Creation) however has ALL access and is omnipresent.

That ability of the material consciousness caused you to see what your friend did to you.

If I understand your post correctly you spoke to your late wife when you were in the hospital, I must say that with highest certainty it was not the spirit or essence of your wife, this could be very well what I would call a reflection of all your experiences you had over the years with her, which have been in your (sub) consciousness, this is a projection and can be very very realistic.

I am pretty sure that you, on a conscious and subconscious level triggered this dream because you were and ARE so very close to her, especially because your near-death experiences has affected more then just you, but also people close to you.

Things about death and loss are always a heavy burden on people, no matter what, but rest assured that the love connection if its based on true love according to the natural-creative laws and recommendations is a spiritual one and will never be lost and stays forever, even up to re-unification of your spiritform and hers with the Creation itself.

Think of this, in all incarnations, all the people you will meet, all the people who you will truly love and vice versa, all those love connections will never be lost, so you can understand that the millions of spiritforms over time build a tremendous ‘web’ of love connections to each other and form and ever increasingly stronger and intense WE-form.
Salome,
Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Scott
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Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jacob,

I know it has been stated in the Decalouge that people should learn to heal themselves, but how does one go about this at our current level of evolution? For instance, it is mentioned in "The Psyche" that the use of concentration will allow a person to heal oneself of certain conditions related to a "Psychic Illness", but beyond that what other means do we have available to us?

Thanks
Scott
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Jacob,

Thank you.

As I have been studying the various sources of the spiritual teachings (Goblet of Truth, Talmud Jmmanuel, Contact Notes, the Billy Meier Wikipedia, etc.) I have slowly been coming to the conclusions which you were able to articulate for me. What you said harmonized with me and really helped in ways you may not realize. Thank you again my friend.

(Q): I began to meditate while viewing the Symbole Geisteslehre on my computer. I click on the symbole and click on the 'play' button and the site slowly exhibits each symbole for a minute or so.

If I understand correctly, will viewing the symboles this way while meditating cause some form of cognitions?

Best,

Eddie
[7:-)
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Jacob
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Scott,

The human needs both course-material energy (food + liquids) and fine-material (cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy) to sustain his body.
The cosmic-electromagnetic energy represents the fine-material part; also the spirit needs nourishment but that is beyond the scope of this post.

Normally in every day conscious life, the cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy exchange of the body/psyche/material consciousness forms goes automatically, a healthy human body will regulate the needed amount of energy complete automatically without the slightest interference of the material consciousness.

Now, what does this have to do with (self) healing by magnetopathic means?
Even when the absorption of cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy is automatic, it can be controlled in such a way that a higher amount then usual is withdrawn from nature.

This requires a meditative-concentration and neutral-positive state of the material consciousness.
In cooperation with the psyche it will withdraw more cosmic-electromagnetic energy then it needs for its own body, material consciousness-forms and psyche.

This can be roughly compared to a capacitor, which accumulates electrical energy until it discharges.

The surplus cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy can be guided and directed by means of the Psyche (which course-material part is represented by the complete nervous-system), this cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy will exit the ‘healer’ usually by his/her hands because they have a very high concentration of nerve-endings which allows for very precise control of the energy output.

The recipient, the ill person receives this concentrated cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy from the healer in usually the ill body parts.
When a person is ill, the affected body parts show a diminished potential and activity to use the cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy, the energy absorption is lower then normal.

In this case the healer comes into play and he/she transmits usually by hands a high concentration of cosmic-electromagnetic-life-energy, which supplements until normal levels are reached again in the affected body, this will allow for faster regeneration of the affected human body, even higher concentrations can eliminate pathogenic influences like bacteria and viruses, but that requires a very high level of concentration, much more then people on this planet are capable.

A word of caution is given, that the healer MUST be very neutral-positive balanced or the energy he/she is applying will be unbalanced and of a negative influence on the recipient.

An example of the use of the hands is that the hands have nerve-endings in such a way that they can create an electromagnetic pulse/field, which can be used to make certain geometric movements above the solar plexus of the recipient, effectively manipulating feelings.
A true healer who lives according to the natural-creative laws and recommendations can induce feelings this way into the psyche which can lead to similar thoughts, this way a person with psychological illness can be treated to a great extend, provided that they also get the assistance to help change their way of thinking.

The normal process is that the thought precedes the feeling, but the reverse is possible by means of external influences.
When the material-consciousness produces neutral-positive thoughts, the psyche has neutral-positive feelings, and when the psyche receives by empathic means or via magnetopathic influences neutral-positive feelings they can lead to neutral-positive thoughts, effectively helping the consciousness-related evolution of that person.

However this should be only used to ‘kickstart’ or assist consciousness-related evolution in a person, or to help heal, but nothing more.

I hope this clarifies things.
Salome,
Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Jacob
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Eddieamartin,

You're welcome :-)
The symbols of the Geisteslehre trace back to Nokodemion who created these symbols from the natural-creative laws and recommendations which he recognized from nature, but not just nature as meant in the 'outdoors', but also the nature of people, their thoughts, feelings, emotions, psyche and consciousness.

The interpretation of these symbols is very personal, and every symbol will invoke a certain feeling which will lead to certain thoughts in a persons mind opening up new aspects of thoughts and evolution.
It's a form of meditative-concentration, but a very personal one. How you see these symbols is not exactly the same as another person, but unique to you as a person.
Salome,
Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Scott
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Jacob for your very clear explanation.

(Message edited by scott on January 15, 2011)
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Jacob,

What you said about healing. Many years ago, I was asked to go visit a very sick child in the hospital who had been given a week to live. Turned out he had cancer in the chest area and it was surrounding the heart and other very delicate parts. Thus it was impossible to perform surgery. Not only that, when I visited the child, he looked like a zombie and laid as if he were dead. He had not eaten in weeks and rarely awoke enough to open his eyes and look (from what his family had related to us). His frail little body also smelled.

When I was told of the child's condition, my heart went out to him and I felt great hope in me and so I began a fast to disconnect myself from the distractions of the body so that I could feel in touch with "God" or a "higher power" and I felt that the child could live. I then went into a very humble prayer and meditation, the face of a friend came to mind and I phoned him and asked if he would come with me. He said yes and I asked him if he would fast also as I really wanted to be in a spiritual state; he agreed. The next morning we went to the hospital to visit this child.

When we got to his room his entire family was there. I could sense the strain they were experiencing. My friend Geraldo and I walked over to the boy in bed, each of us on one side of the bed. I looked across to Geraldo and he could feel what I was feeling and he knew my thoughts. Suddenly, both our hands started to float above his body moving mostly above the chest area. At this time I had no knowledge of the location of the cancer

In discussion afterward, we confirmed an identical experience of the feeling that a higher power was moving our hands. What we both felt was energy flowing through us, the arms and through our hands (why what you posted caught my attention) and the energy entered his body.

The color quickly came back. He then opened his eyes and he noticed that what he was feeling was in direct connection to our hands floating just above his body. The flow of energy had not changed its strength or current. He began to breath easier and he started to move a bit getting comfortable. The energy stopped eventually and then the child sat up. This startled the family with incredible joy and they all came to his bed observing all this. He then, in his mother's arms, asked for food because he was starving. They called the nurse asking to have food brought over to his room for him. After being hugged and held by every member of his family the child began to play, laugh and bounce from one family member to another.

The nurse came in and nearly fainted dropping the clipboard in her hands. She ran out of the room to call the doctor. The doctor and others came in not believing their eyes. They quickly ordered blood testing and what have you. The doctor afterward began to explain the "miracle" by showing x-rays of cancer from the previous two or so days and the previous blood analysis and so on and comparing them with the new x-rays and blood work and all that.

His blood was rotting. Now it was healthier than a new born baby. The cancer had shrunk in such a way and in such places that the doctor felt confident they could now perform the surgery with a minimal amount of success yet still very likely he would not make it through because of the difficulty involved with the surgery.

They fed the boy who surprisingly was able to hold down the food and digest it. They wanted to prepare and do the surgery in two days on Friday. The child began to get tired and so he was placed back in his bed and went to sleep.

We came back Friday and I was asked to 'pray' for the child. In doing so, I felt the same humming tranquil resonance in me and placing hands on him I 'blessed' him with what came out of my mouth. In part I said many things; one being that the doctor would be guided throughout the surgery and that he will confess that he observed his own hands perform the surgery.

I told this child that he will live and grow up to be a good man doing much good.

Prior to the surgery, the doctor came in. He explained the difficulties and why. He made it clear that the child will die if they don't take advantage of his improved condition but that the delicateness and difficulty of the surgery was likely to be what kills him since they had to remove cancer from something or another (I don't exactly remember). He mentioned that there was a team of specialists lined up to take over as each doctor spent a certain amount of time to avoid fatigue. He was to be the first to operate for the first hours. He said that if he is to come out before a certain time that the surgery had failed.

In two or three hours, the doctor came out from surgery staring at his hands with disbelief on his face. The mother saw him like this and began to hysterically cry and beat herself. He woke up from his trance and started yelling for someone to tell her the child was alive and the surgery had gone well. He then confessed to everyone, that for the first time in his life, he merely stood there and observed his hands perform the surgery.

This family is still living in New York City. The child is alive and well now. The doctor is famous for having developed or invented the technique for this type of delicate surgery.

That day and the first day we visited the child. After leaving his room. As Geraldo and I walked down the corridor of the hospital, we both felt this energy leaving us and entering the rooms as we walked. People in the rooms noticed us and we noticed it was affecting them as well and we quickly left because I did not want the people coming out of the rooms to also consider us messianic. This family to this day thinks of us in a messianic way and I didn't know how to go about handling something like that. The child's first name is Yoeseff. You can research this to confirm its truth and even interview the family and doctor.

This of course led to other requests and the same happened with Rosalinda Suares who had cancer in her bones, muscles and her blood was rotting as well. The same with her regarding the blood. It suddenly became healthier than a new born baby's blood. The cancer disappeared from the bones and shrunk enough from the muscles to allow her strength to walk on her own and she too was able to hold down food. She was an exception and was given another year to fulfill some of her deepest desires; which I will respect here.

There were a few others. One was an elderly man who had been hit by a car which bounced him onto another car before he hit the ground. He was well enough to walk the very next day and did not suffer anything thereafter.

Thanks to your post, I finally understand the mechanism. I am also understanding how or perhaps the means by which Jmmanuel healed the way he did. I now understand from your post regarding the Arahat Athersata and Petale levels saying that we should work at developing these abilities. I can not wait for the new edition of the TJ that the Arahat Athersata are working on with Billy as I felt there was much I was seeking in this latest edition, which I ordered and study, that was not in it.

My question now is; does the humming tranquil state (which I'm slowly slightly sensing in the meditations)...is this one of the keys to unlocking this ability our spirit-form possesses?

Thank you Jacob for being on this forum and sharing with us. Wish I had met you long ago.

Thank you Scott for your post which led me to some answers I have sought.

Salome,

Eddie
[7:-)
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Ardie
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jacob, Thank you for the explanations. I think that I understand now that in order to consciously evolve, you must concentrate and have control over your thoughts. Moving objects or whatever, while asleep (or even awake), when you have little or no control over your thoughts, will not help you evolve.

Eddie, What a fascinating story! I'm glad that you were able to help the little boy and the others.
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Markcampbell
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jacob and Eddie . The way that you described the experience of causing this healing , Eddie , was realisticaly descriptive . I really got a sense for what you were doing and how you were doing it . I hope to hear more .

And Jacob , your time here on this forum is greatly appreciated .

Salome , Mark
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Ardie,

Your experience has a lesson in it as well for me. What new direction has Jacob's explanation helped you in cognizance towards the development of these abilities? Please share my friend. Your experience, when you truly analyze it, deals more with Jmmanuel's ability to walk on water. How his consciousness caused the water molecules to support his body.

Also, perhaps it was the boy and the others that have helped me to begin to understand the Teachings.

Salome, Eddie
[7:-)
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Ramirez
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jacob,

Thankyou for your reply to my question way back on the last page which cleared up 2 issues so an unexpected bonus.

With regard to your post 558 where you describe some principles of energy healing with superb clarity comes a question.

What you state about a capacitor seems to equate to the operational principle of a Tesla Coil except that with bioelectromagnetic fluidal forces an induction vortex is created via the healers hands principally, interacting with the recipient then redistributed via thought directed control.

So the gap between a healers hands and recipients body becomes a gateway for attracting and inducting the cosmic life energy surplus ..... is this your view ?

From your knowledge does the human body contain a Tesla like coil structure composed of subtle (subatomic fine material - mind - mental level) layer level electrical circuitry or is the normal physical body nervous system - acupuncture meridian network used or both in combination ?

For hands on or near body presence it all makes sense thereby explainable using the above dynamics but for distance ......

The gathered - inducted overunity of energy (particles-waves) must somehow be transported to a recipient so how is this done ? I have these ideas.

Given the existence of the so called morphic field - universal consciousness can the transfer of energy be described with this analogy.

Similar to a guitar. The healer & recipient are like two points existing in a space time field between which exists or rather can be temporarily energised - enabled a direct live connection (a guitar string) The healers mind facilitates a sort of fine tuning process whereby tension is imposed upon the string so it becomes vibrationally matched thereby in direct harmonic connection with the recipient through concentration. The string is then plucked (energy transmitted) creating vibrations (sound) along the string which are amplified through the body of the guitar (universal consciousness field) without which the process would be impossible then picked up by the recipient as particles - waves - vibrations.

Like teleportation of energy towards a specifically targeted recipient.

However with the transmitted finematerial layer energies are we dealing with light frequency or something else ?

Personally I think the bioelectromagnetic fluidal cosmic life forces are different and of a higher order than those which power free energy devices in 3rd dimensional solid material Tesla Coils but the principle might be similar.

Your thought on these ideas would be most appreciated.
Cheers.
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Jacob
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you all for your kind words, I enjoy being here and if my writings help, then that makes me happy. :-)
Salome,
Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Jacob
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello, Ramirez,

One thing that always stayed in my mind when I read the Talmud, is that Jmmanuel was a real master in using parables to explain complex matters of the spirit, psyche, consciousness, natural creative laws and recommendations to people, those parables are useable even up to this day so they can help people understand.
In my limited understanding of the spiritual teachings I try to find similar things in physics and nature, which are well known to people and usually understood pretty well, this forms a link and enables understanding.
It will absolutely happen that my attempts to form parables or analogies, as you will, are just that and not completely and perfectly describe the principle I want to describe.
However that is not my aim anyway, it’s my aim to get the principle clear to people so they can use this information and develop themselves.

It’s also counter productive to explain everything in detail because people would stop to think themselves and fill in the gaps.

You use a rather intellectual approach of writing your questions, and there is nothing wrong with that, however it would be much more beneficial to all of us to write them more in a clear way so everyone can benefit, or else there would be dialogue between you and me, and that would be against the principle of an forum like this.

I am only saying that I find it extremely important that the teachings will be accessible to as many people as possible, so I write in a language I assume is generally accessible to all.

Also, my command of the English language is far from perfect, so this is about the best I can do in writing these posts, which I do with great pleasure.
Salome,
Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Eddieamartin
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Hello Ramirez
Hello Markcampbell

Ramirez,
In regards to your post # 543 above.
"So the gap between a healers hands and recipients body becomes a gateway for attracting and inducting the cosmic life energy surplus ..... is this your view ?"

What Geraldo and myself confirmed in a private discussion regarding the experience: The energy seemed to generate at and through the inner part of our skull or brain I suppose. It then flooded the body and channeled through the arms and out of the hands into the boys body, even without touching him. There was no conscious manipulation or controlling as it was all happening on its own. Even our hands moving about just over his body seemed to do this as if they possessed a mind and will of their own. Walking down the corridor of the hospitals the energy seemed to exit our mind and the sides of our body.

When we returned on Friday, my hands were placed in contact with the boy and the energy again surged through and entered his body. This rejuvenated him again just prior to the doctor coming in and then taking him to surgery. I forgot to mention that the entire three days, until I got home from the hospital Friday evening, I had remained in fasting and the third day, it was even more powerful.

The boy was the only one with whom initially the hands did not touch but simply hovered and moved in their own directed pattern. All the others I made contact with by placing the hands on their heads lightly. I did this since I knew the energy accumulated there and within a millisecond powerfully dispersed through the body and out the hands. Perhaps this was because everyone else was seated or had been placed in a seated position when I arrived.

You seem to be on to something with your post and I believe Jacob's input may shed more light and cognition on our ability to develop these abilities as suggested and encouraged by the Arahat Athersata and Petale level.

One more very interesting thing. Which is why I have come to such an understanding of the Law of Love and Billy's sense of importance in its regards. I did find myself filled with this incredible, almost euphoric love and compassion which I last remember experiencing as a child in Cuba in regards to something else I would like to ask Jacob about.

Thank you for your contribution as your post is causing some cognition.

Markcampbell,
I feel you have gained some cognition or insight of a sort. Would you share if at all possible? I really could use all your help my friends.

Salome,

Eddie
[7:-)
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Ardie
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Eddie,

I think one of the first things that I need to do is stop filling my mind with noise and clutter. I left the tv and radio off all day until my husband got home. I have noticed for quite some time, that when the television is on, I am more sluggish. When the house is quiet, I actually feel more energetic and feel like doing my housework or chores. I think that is the first step for me to take to clear my mind and be able to concentrate properly and not have confused thinking.

I basically understand neutral positive thinking, but putting it into practice isn't easy. I definitely want to work on that.

I haven't had much luck remembering my dreams this past week. It seemed like I wasn't dreaming at all, because I could not recall anything first thing in the mornings. I did realize that I'd been dreaming this morning, but didn't bother to write it down and now it's gone. I am interested in dreams and would like to see what they are telling me. It's going to take me some time to get into the habit to do these things. I've been lazy.
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Ramirez
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jacob,

"One thing that always stayed in my mind when I read the Talmud, is that Jmmanuel was a real master in using parables to explain complex matters of the spirit, psyche, consciousness, natural creative laws and recommendations to people, those parables are useable even up to this day so they can help people understand."

Ah that's partly why christianity is and has been in so much trouble ..... persons interpreting parables.

In TJ plus Goblet Of Truth the information is more direct .... in your face plain as day where possible though i agree that splashing everything out in graphic detail up front would probably result in fostering a culture where investigative effort, hence opportunity for creative research - personal growth is not required.

However if it's in your face there are few risks of ambiguities eventually resulting in vague or incorrect interpretations appearing down the line.

Look at the bible & koran ..... full of possibilities to twist and interpret information into just about any which way and they have been.

With a concept such as energy healing analogies are useful and necessary because most persons including myself lack the capacity to describe & frame ideas in easily understood layman's scientific terms due to the subjects complexity.

Problem is that by using only analogies and simplified general terms those seeking detailed knowledge will be unlikely to find it.

That's the dilema .... how to frame questions in such a way as to get the meaning across with an intention to obtain reasonably detailed specific answers .... i'm not a scientist or academic so it's often a struggle to ask the right sort of questions but i understand your point that this shouldn't become an exclusive talking shop for specialists discussing obscure abstract concepts and highly appreciate your way of passing on information.


Hi Eddie,

I found your post 72 rather fascinating because it immediately brought to mind personal experience plus memories of observations concerning other persons real life experiences.

What you describe as the "top down" into the head energy influx, feelings of euphoria, overabundance of energy, desire for fasting, state of mind, types of thought patterns etc is identical to the so called kundalini - spiritual emergency videos that links were provided to months ago. It's the same thing though everyone's experience would be somewhat subjective thereby different because of individual factors.

However in your case you utilized the opportunity to channel the state of being towards doing some tangible good works so in that respect it became a valuable life milestone and reference point.

Often all it takes to start a chain reaction of connecting the dots is to discover some critical bits of information which trigger an ongoing process. Aha .... all that rings a bell.

Various things important to life's objectives then begin falling into place.

I think the main reason AA & Petale caution against the widespread use of energy healing is because the majority of humanity is simply not ready for it so it's application would soon find avenues for misuse.

Already exist frauds & opportunists claiming to possess healing capabilities and some probably do to various extents however as usual the temptation to resort to charging exorbitant amounts of money, mislead desperate and chronically ill persons plus their families with fraudulent claims, boast they are able to teach miraculous secrets .... for a price, form "healing cults" which simply exploit the gullible, superstitious & curious ..... becomes irresistable and all that is regretable though unfortunately a reality in today's world.

However in spite of the negative aspects all efforts should be directed towards researching and discovering the underlying scientific principles, dynamics & realities concerning energy healing (mysterious miracles) including the part consciousness & the universal cosmic life force plays.

Think about this ...... should Billy stop writing and spreading the teachings because an unscrupulous few copy and distort some of his work claiming it to be their own ?
Cheers.
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Elreyjr
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

@Eddie,
Any similar experience but without having to fast before helping others help themselves?

@Jacob,
would you care to comment about having to fast for efficiency? thank you.

Jun
My will be done
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Markcampbell
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Hi Eddie ;

It seems to me that your active experiences were a matter of having an idea , and acting upon them , going past any kind of question of it's possibilty . Bravo !

Another type of healing or progression would be using the power of words . How something is said makes a difference in being understood by others , but the inner language is as important .

Thanks for the kind word , but I think you will find many clear-minded and insightful individuals here .

What comes to mind is a word of wisdom that I always adhered to when was a yout . " Just go" . Always go where you think of going , don't back down , go for the experience . That simple habit has led me to more knowledge than simple luck could ever have .

Salome , Mark
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Jacob
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Ramirez and Eddieamartin,

These abilities are very useful, I will write a post about it this weekend.
Salome,
Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello everyone, thanks for your inputs. You have no idea how frustrating it has been for me for so many years of 'no clear answers' in regards to this and other things.

Jun, your question:

"@Eddie,
Any similar experience but without having to fast before helping others help themselves?"

I always found it better to fast. I tried without fasting and could never 'get it' any where near the same experience; somewhat, but no where near. I learned in the TJ where Jmmanuel speaks about fasting and that it is not required, even though he expounds on its true use and that it will help. His expounding on the subject shed a tremendous amount of light for me (something no Rabbi, Priest, Bishop, etc could ever do except tell me that it was a "gift from God" and that I should subject myself to keeping myself free from sin and to keep 'his' commandments -which is impossible to do so I would simply naturally be at odds against and with myself).

But of course, Jmmanuel was very much in touch with his Arahat Athersata level and as an JshWsh he was on a whole other level than any of us could suddenly compete with or attempt to match so I can see where for him it came very naturally where for me it required tremendous desire, love for people and the individual especially, effort, physical sacrifice, expectation of outcome and trust in the conscious realization that the impression about the results would indeed be forthcoming. Fasting helped me 'align' with a higher power (as I figured it) and this gave me the confidence (as Markcampbell put it "Just Go") and so I expected it to work.

As of late, I have been attempting to 'exercise' this again as an experience with religion many years ago caused me to feel 'unworthy' before god and so I wound up just not developing this "gift from god" any further and gave up on it.

The Goblet of Truth and the TJ have opened up my awareness of these gifts we all possess. Because of Scott's post (I regret that this came as a result of his physical ailment or pain), Jacob shed light and posted things that really grabbed my attention and sparked further encouragement.

One interesting thing I always wondered about: I can not go without eating for too long without my body complaining with a headache. But, when I would fast for these visits with those people I would never get a headache no matter how long the fast lasted.

Also, in many instances where I suddenly found myself with visiting someone, I would always fast (without letting anyone know) just before and then end the fast shortly after leaving (the duration of the visit) since I found that somehow the fast caused me to enter a different state of mind (as I called it). Somehow the idea or intent (Markcampbell articulated it well) to want to be in that heightened spiritual state was somehow facilitated or dramatically strengthened by fasting. The TJ teachings on fasting was very enlightening and explained a lot to me.

While meditating, I realized I had developed some 'blockage' that is likely due to some neural programming caused by the idea that since I could not maintain this perfect state of a sinless mind, I became unworthy of god and so I had given up on it.

In the Goblet of Truth I have learned that through nature we can exercise this ability of ours. So I have set up plants that I can experiment with. Only thing I have not done yet is incorporated the fasting. But the plants have responded and slowly I think in time it will come back. I'm grateful to Billy's explanation on the pineal gland and insight on developing this organ and its associated 6th and 7th senses and abilities. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Pineal_Gland

Is there anything else I can look into for more cognition that you know of? I'm going to look into this Kundalini that Ramirez posted about (thanks Ramirez!).



Hi Ardie,
(please correct me if I'm mistaken)

for me, the 'neutral-positive' is not a way-of-thinking, but rather, as I have come to realize while meditating as I read the Goblet of Truth, neutral-positive is a 'state-of-mind' much like "happy" or "sad" is. In the Contact Notes Semjase gives great insight and explanations on this subject. You may have already done so, but you may wish to reanalyze the contents and insight contained in the principles as they are applied in the following subject matter: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Deadly_Might_Of_Thoughts_And_Feelings

Let me know your findings and thoughts.

Many thanks everyone.

Salome,

Eddie

P.S. Jacob, thank you and I'm really looking forward to your post my friend.
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Ramirez
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Eddie,

Try this site:
http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=Definitions

In the left margin are links to many sub categories. It will keep you going a long time :-)

Also with regard to fasting. You could try music as a substitute but it needs to be of a harmonious type. Over here energy work is done by persons who wear MP3 players which helps ward off stay thoughts assisting them to become totally immersed in their work whilst simultaneously being entertained by music .... works great. This music has it's best effect through headphones or earphones.

You could mail me if you wish, Scott will pass on my e-mail address. That way you could acquire a small collection of music which has proved very popular for aiding meditation - concentration and the beauty of music is that it's non invasive, requires no preparation or effort apart from loading your MP3 player.

Looking forward to Jacob's information.
Cheers.
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Edward
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jacob...


I would agree on your posting nr. 555.

A bit like - Mind Over Matter -, so to speak.

Vibrations can be very powerful, yes. And some can emit stronger than others.


You can imagine how STRONG a Collective(in group format)...concentration of
such aspect would have Affect, on an individual(s) or/and their surrounding; as
you mentioned.

They say that the Black Arts and some Voodoo, etc., rituals, function in a
similar manner. So, they are definitely Tampering(/Influencing) with someone's
Free Will; but than...in the Negative, alas...to say.


And as you know, the Plejarans Value Man's Free Will; in the FIGU Materials,
One is Free to THINK as he/she wishes; Billy and the Plejarans do not scuffle
the cards so ever now and than for nothing, no? Contradictions is just part of
the LEARNING process. We must NOT make the FIGU Material a: "Because the
Bible tells me so ", sort of thing, no? Jim D. and Mark J.; made similar comments in
the past which is quite true. It is good...that Billy and the Plejarans give
us ROOM to Think for ourselves.

"What is the use of telling all the answers....when the individual(s) can not
comprehend its contents...."; as a wise man once said.


Edward.
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2011 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Ramirez,

I'm not sure how emailing works with the forum. I'm intrigued with the use of the recordings. Are they those alpha theta brainwave entrainment audio recordings? My email is xprezit@gmail.com

Thank you my friend.

Salome, Eddie
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