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Jacob
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Post Number: 636
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2011 - 02:52 pm: | 
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Hello Hawaiian,
First of my quote 2* is actually a quote here from Eduard himself, and added information from the spirit lessons, book the Psyche, etc.
You see a hierarchy where there is none, the 7 senses of the human are always active and present, it’s how the personality, material consciousness utilizes them.
The current Earthhuman is SO materialistic, entangled in cult-religious beliefs, so focused on profit, his external material being that he almost totally ignores his 6th and 7th sense.
With his 6th sense the human is capable of sensing other peoples feelings, when he is neutral-positive and balanced and not totally saturated in his own egotistical thinking and feeling.
Primary telepathy has nothing to do with the seventh sense, since it works, as explained over the ears, the higher telepathy forms, secondary work over the brain as explained. With his/her 7th sense he/she is able to sense the fluidal field of the personality of other people, amongst many other things.
Your statement: “We can agree that primary telepathy occurs between material individuals that are very close emotionally and often communicate utilizing their 6th (intuition) senses in which the next logical step is within the 7th sense realm, of which primary telepathy travels at the speed of light for 3 arc seconds upon death when all experiences/knowledge are being "deposited" in the memory banks to also include communicating within this brief period to those that are connected to this dieing person.”
Is not correct because the following facts: Emotions stem for the lower part of the brain, not from thinking, the concept and thought of love, which in accordance with the natural-creative laws, generate a true feeling of love, not an emotion.
Ergo, you don't strike down my comments.
Another quote from Eduard:
“Through the constant change of the human being in regard to his body and organism, as well as the purely material orientation of his thoughts and feelings, the pineal gland and its feinstoffsinnlich faculty has atrophied, consequently, in the current time, only human beings who are more or less sensitively predisposed are in a position to utilize the feinstoffsinnlich effectiveness of the pineal gland. Originally this organ had a diameter of little more than three centimetres in contrast to today where, as a result of shrinkage, the average has only a size of three millimetres. The reason for that lies in the fact that the human being has subjugated his inner world more and more to rational intellect and has neglected that which is sensitive of the pineal gland’s feinstoffsinnlich component, whereby the entirety is atrophied.”
As a last point, if you had read my experience post about the “Swiss Army knife” then you know I do share my experiences in this regard even when its not directly related to (primary) telepathy.
When you study the Spirit teaching, one of many important things mentioned by Eduard is the constant and incorrect use of terminology by the Earth humans, example the “immortal soul” which does not exist, since it’s the half-material psyche, which is absolutely mortal.
The spirit is the immortal part of the human being and is very different from the psyche. Using the word emotion when you mean feeling is a mistake of the same magnitude.
Not giving a hoot about the correct terminology, or mechanics behind consciousness-related abilities/events, fine-material structures, etc, etc, etc. leads to misunderstanding of those abilities and events, like persons who actually do have abilities like magnetopathy, clairvoyance, etc. often claim these abilities as blessings of ‘god’ or guardian angles, etc., etc.
One must learn the right terminology and mechanics behind a consciousness-related ability before being able to execute it correctly and use the experiences / empirical knowledge gained to fine-tune the ability over time. Practice makes perfect, and that is only possible if you know what you do in the right order (Logos).
Everything and anything in the material and spiritual universe can be grasped by the consciousness-related abilities of common-sense and reason and their function to put anything in the right system and order, and defined correctly.
You can find all of this in the spirit lessons and the books written by Eduard.
P.S Hawaiian, according to our data you put in your birth year as 1954,is this a typo? Since you state here that you are 36.5 years old, which means you are born in 1974 and not 1954
(Message edited by jacob on June 06, 2011)
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Kingman
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Post Number: 860
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2011 - 06:09 pm: |
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So Hawaiian,
"If one does not master the 6th sense, then how will that person even contemplate the next and highest sense of material being, which is the 7th? "
if I don't understand my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th sense, I won't be able to hear, or is it feel, or maybe taste/see/smell. Is that what you are explaining when someone isn't able to understand their 7th sense, because they don't understand their 6th sense.
I don't think one needs to fully understand a sense to use it. I mean, I can hear just fine without being told how to hear properly.
Can you elaborate on the statement I posted of yours.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Scott
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Post Number: 2138
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - 04:48 pm: |
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Hi Jacob,
You mentioned "Primary telepathy consists of thoughts, words and so-called real-images; those images are images of real existing objects like pictures, objects in nature and humans, etc."
Recently I was talking with a friend on the phone for about 1 hour. During the end of the conversation I started seeing different images. These images were very exotic and beautiful, from unusual colored and shaped flowers, to a gold chest with jewels around it etc...although this person lives nearby, she seems to have a certain middle eastern quality about her. This has happened with other people I know, but it seems I have to know the person for some time, before I start seeing these images. I don't see them all the time, but when I do it is unmistakeable, and in some sense they seem to fit the person.
From your understanding, does this have anything to do with Primary Telepathy, or is it some form of intuition? I will have to say when I see these things, it reminds there is much more to life than we observe with our "normal" senses.
Thanks
Scott |
Kingman
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Post Number: 861
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - 09:05 pm: |
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Hi all,
I have remembered something from when I was at FIGU Switzerland this past month that deals with ones thoughts before they drift off into sleep. What I discovered my last few days at the center was that anything on my mind before falling asleep became a clearly remembered dream state, something I've very rarely succeeded with during many attempts back home.
My thoughts were easily recalled the moment of first waking, which normally wasn't true back in Los Angeles where I live. Upon returning home this effect lasted a few days and I was able to write down the revelations my dream thoughts delivered. I'll post these in their appropriate topics once I organize the thoughts into something worth reading.
I also did a short 5min video log of what I have explained here. Of course with the necessary Shawn humor included.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15237532
a friend in america
Shawn
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Jacob
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Post Number: 637
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 12:48 am: |
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Hi, Scott,
Real-images (Real Bilder in German), are actual visually observed objects by the sender which are received as such via primary-telepathy.
It means that the person you have spoken to has to have actually seen those images.
You describe those images as very exotic, so I assume by your words they are highly symbolic and not realistic.
I dont think it has to do with (primary) telepathy, but my strong suspicion that you have a connection of the material subconsciousness with her material subconsciousness, since you already know that person.
It represents itself as visions in your material consciousness representing that person.
I assume those images are unique for every person, did you ask if she has any middle eastern roots, or experiences?
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 662
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - 09:47 pm: |
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Thanks Shawn , I hope more of us will do the same in the future( with necessary humor ,of course)
MC |
Scott
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Post Number: 2139
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 08:50 am: |
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Thanks Jacob, that makes sense.
Regards
Scott |
Hawaiian
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 01:42 am: |
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Let’s forget about the technical terminology for the time being and focus on the experience I encountered while as a toddler. The interaction between both a material being and some entity has certainly touched on the main topics we have discussed so far, however I am disappointed it was not addressed to the main topic at hand. Therefore what are your opinions regarding the 6th and 7th senses and/or possible telepathy taking place if any since this toddler obviously has not been exposed to any of BEAM’s materials nor contaminated by egotistic influences that are acquired when growing up.
That was my main purpose of this exercise, to get some input on what has inspired from a purely case-study example, to apply your experience/knowledge to explain what has occurred. Yet it appears most of the responses are defensive nature of conceptional approachs and continue down a path of further explanation and very little application to a real event.
The Plejaren have used some form of “deceptive” approaches for good reasons like in the case of Pleiades so this is similar of sort, but demands one to apply them if they have not experienced such encounters and explain how/why/what mechanisms were being utilized between the interactions of these two. This event is true, so please focus on the case study and analyze it scientifically with your internal instincts and knowledge. What good are these materials if one cannot utilize it to validate its true value to real events that promotes awareness?
The reason why I “grabbed” this translucent entity was that I was trying to verify if indeed it was real or not. There are other encounters, which I may share depending on your responses; some are not as pleasant and downright terrifying. |
Techieatwork
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Post Number: 170
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 05:19 am: |
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Hawaiian:
It's easy to label the abstract. The inevitable judgement can be: it may be "true", sounds like true, or, it's "false", he may be drunk and delusional.
We are ALL here just talking about the abstract.
I know some things have happened to me in the area of out of body experiences, I remember them vividly, I will never forget them, but for others, it's not their experience, so they are entitled to doubt it.
You might as well have seen that translucent being, or maybe you were under the influence of your parent's pot smoking.. (no offense intended, and I hope I wont have to retrieve my words) who knows? Nobody can tell for sure. Not even you can for sure, as you were a mere baby, so you could have been unaware of external mind-contaminants to say if your experience was really real.
Or can you? Again, you may say it was, we are entitled not to trust your words, or anyone else's for that matter.
And so we go, until one day, words will be mostly unnecessary, and telepathy will be available to all of us, and carrying others to feel and see what we feel and see will be possible. A we-form.
Until then, it's all abstract and subjective mate.
But for the sake of curiosity, please feel free to share (at least with me) your other experiences, I reserve my right to trust your words as maybe truthful, or to doubt them completely.
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Jacob
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Post Number: 638
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 09:40 am: |
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Hawaiian,
Going from the premise that your experience happens, it could be a number of things, a waking-dream or vision, which is not surprising since toddlers and very young people have more and longer dreams.
It could be a symbolic manifestation of the material subciousness as a response to its surroundings.
A child is often much more sensitive to its surroundings when it comes to influences of fluidal forces, or stressful events in a family, etc, etc, etc
It was most likely not a real entity as in a real (humanoid) lifeform.
You can compare it to dream interpretation; this is only accurately possible by the person him/herself when he/she has the experience and extensive knowledge about dream symbolism.
The person knows him/herself the best and is the best person to interpret such event most correctly.
Therefor I can’t accurately explain your experience, just give a general impression.
Another thing I want to say is this:
The current Earth human is at a time in his development where it’s absolutely important he starts to use the correct terminology, the correct mechanisms and structures in his material-consciousness related and spiritual development.
Therefor I am very direct when I see that certain terms, expressions and consciousness-related mechanisms are explained incorrectly, all too fast misunderstanding happens which is most certainly very bad for the people who are seeking and just starting out confronting themselves with this matter.
I am not saying I am correct all the time, I will never claim that because that would be absolutely untrue if I claimed otherwise. I have the benefit that I have access to all published material in both German and English, so its easy for me to fall back and look things up.
The Spirit teaching is not just theory, far from it, there are several abilities explained how they could be used and trained in everyday life.
- Intuition
- Hypnosis
- Initiation
- Primary Telepathy
- Concentration
- Meditation
All of these abilities are taught in the first couple of years of the Spirit lessons (Geisteslehre), and provide for a lot of ‘experience in the field’ if they are studied and followed in good practice.
I think the Talmud Jmmanuel would be a very good book for you, study it, and make your OWN thoughts about it, its very important to think independently about the Spirit teaching and find your own answers in yourself and Nature/the Creation.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 592
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 03:10 pm: |
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Jacob,
You mentioned Initiation as an ability. Could you expand on that and explain what Initiation means in the context of abilities plus perhaps some hints as to the operational mechanism involved.
Cheers.
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Jacob
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Post Number: 639
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 04:08 pm: |
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Initiation is an ability to confront yourself with questions about yourself or things you study and get logical answers back in a response which somewhat resembles an intuitive answer.
The ability involves a certain very personal ceremony which needs to be undertaken in order to obtain a certain state of mind in order to get those answers.
This ceremony has NO resemblance to cult-religous, new-age or esoterical ceremonies whatsoever, but is required from a psychological point of view.
I mentioned this ability in order to provoke people to consider studying the German FIGU books/writings and maybe even the Spirit lessons, even when they dont speak German, this because the evolutioncode is active anyway when the text is read, regardless if the person understands German or not.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 593
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 - 01:14 am: |
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Hi Jacob,
Ah so a sort of enabling the transmission pathway.
Clearing the static .....
Problem with those factors mentioned ..... religion, esoterism, cults, gurus, self appointed masters is that they rather foolishly proclaim themselves adepts with celestial connections therefore capable of facilitating a magical ability to become available to for persons to access the higher or inner mysteries .... usually for a price that being subservience, material goods, adoration and recognition, required beliefs, etc.
And in return for this bestowed illusory capability which is nothing more than a hollow deception the ranks of the foolish expand ever further because .... they have sought their answers externally believing the solution can be obtained like other commercial transactions.
Cheers.
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Jacob
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Post Number: 640
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 - 01:50 am: |
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Hi Ramirez,
It has nothing to do with your mentioned factors at all, it has to do with observing ones own eyes in a mirror under specific circumstances (the eyes are a mirror of the person) which invokes an meditative-like state, providing the possibility to obtain some very deep answers about yourself.
The focus of initiation is 100% on yourself.
In a very personal setting, everything has to do with the person him/herself and nothing, not one iota with external cult-relgious, esoterical factors, 'gurus', so-called masters, etc.
Initiation is a very intense confrontation with yourself.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 595
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 - 05:25 am: |
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Hi Jacob,
This is curious .....
"It has nothing to do with your mentioned factors at all, it has to do with observing ones own eyes in a mirror under specific circumstances"
Is this technique something with universal timeless validity ?
What I was thinking of concerns two persons whereby one provides a "trigger" for the other. After that the process is individual and subjective meaning no two persons would have an identical experience however it can involve key words which are self hypnotic master commands and the means by which these are made known .... their method of delivery to the material consciousness might vary somewhat from person to person.
Confronting the real you .... scary stuff especially when persons carry notions that the you or i might consist of a duality which for a while offers a comforting escape mechanism.
Then:
"which invokes an meditative-like state, providing the possibility to obtain some very deep answers about yourself"
Could you expand on that also.
Cheers.
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Jacob
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Post Number: 641
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 - 06:23 am: |
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Initiation is a technique which is executed solely by one person in his/her own private space with no-one else present.
The answers obtained, when the technique is applied correctly, are of an intuitive nature and have, as you state it, an 'universal timeless validity'.
The human is an hyperunit(body and psyche are the human physical body, the spirit and gemut are the spiritform, both human physical body and spiritform form a unity in order to be a human in the material reality.
We do not consist of a duality in your mentioned form. The answers obtained stem from the spiritual consciousness-forms (which acts as logical mechanism/engine, not like the material consciousness which is selfaware)
The spirit consciousness is unaware of itself and works much like a logical engine based upon all natural-creative laws and recommendations.
This is what I can say about initiation.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 596
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 - 07:27 am: |
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Hi Jacob,
The universal timeless validity makes sense but that procedure with the mirror .... there are and have always been persons in various places (locations) with no access to mirrors and besides modern reflective glass mirrors have only been around about 400 years whilst long before that the ancient Greeks and many other cultures surely had individuals able to participate in the initiation process .... without splendid modern mirrors though the ancients were quite inventive as can be seen here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror#History
That's what i meant .... what sort of alternate procedure might be valid without a mirror ? and if it's universal there might probably be races on other planets without mirrors.
Hundreds of years ago Nikolas Copernicus, Giordano Bruno, Galileo Galilei and others undertook this initiation, discovered certain aspects of themselves which opened the transmission pathway .... that's what i meant in the previous post by that.
Access to this lies restricted and protected by a vibrational failsafe mechanism. You sometimes refer to The Kyballion .... when the student is ready ..... the mirror appears .... maybe.
I never stated persons are a duality .... that is an illusion which can be confronted then replaced. We are a connected unity though with individual identity if you might agree with that.
So what might be the correct technique ?
Really, there must be many millions of persons who regularly stare into a mirror and what is the result .... ?
So this process is a state of mind where connections to certain strata of information might result if applied correctly .... a key to trigger impulses and you describe the source ?
All this is hidden in plain sight staring many in the face yet they would hardly imagine the scenario even exists.
Cheers.
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Jacob
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Post Number: 642
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 - 09:12 am: |
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Hi, Ramirez,
You have to understand that the initiation as described in the spirit lessons hasn't been written down since Nokodemjons time. When he was alive, mirrors did exist, and now in the 'new age' they do again.
The correct technique is more then just staring into a mirror asking questions to one-selves, its about the ambiance of the room, the required psychological state one has to be in, etc.
This process does trigger impulses which could be of great help on a consciousness-related level.
The problem is that I cant describe the correct technique without translating a complete spirit lesson and that would be not useful at all.
There is at least 2 years of studying required before one can understand and attempt this successfully and understand its implications and functions.
I mentioned initiation as a stimulation for people to go and study the spirit lessons if they feel they are up for it.
I cant explain more then I already did up to this point.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Patm
Member
Post Number: 68
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 - 10:08 am: |
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As I entered into this current material life cycle I began learning how to utilize the 5 material senses to awaken and integrate my perceptions of the physical environment around me. These 5 senses allowed the course energy frequency ranges each of the 5 senses were sensitive to, to slowly become aware of, register, interpret and learn from, constantly gaining and refining my understanding of the outer world around me.
At the same time the 2 spiritual senses and the fine energy frequency ranges they were sensitive to only allowed me to slowly become aware of, register, interpret and learn from, constantly gaining and refining my understanding of the inner world within me.
For a time I am, with the two spheres connected, complete as a unity of the inner and outer worlds through the central consciousness mediating the energy flow between them.
Initially no outside, third party influence prevented me from freely experiencing either of these worlds and learning from both of them. However as my material body began to grow in its understanding of itself and integrate with the outer world around me the influences of my outer world also developed as I allowed them to.This was a result of the constant ideas that sparked questions which initially I would always work out within myself. These outside influences I began looking to for answers to some of the questions I couldn't yet resolve for myself within myself.
This is where the breakdown began. My growing trust in these outside influences (third parties) with their well seasoned false belief systems began poisoning my own internal ability to resolve my questions for myself and I allowed it.
I view it as each of us is on a journey, each with our own destination. Each step being the result of determining for ourselves the direction and speed to go. As the outside influences grow the direction and speed is influenced by what we perceive as correct through the outside world taking us in different directions than where our original destination, which inside we knew was right, would lead us. this primarily because we began to BELIEVE that the freeway (religions) everyone else was on would lead us to where we needed to go, answering all the questions we had without internally processing the answers for ourselves.
When each of us finally determines, for ourselves, that these answers everyone else has fed us are not our answers then we finally INITIATE ourselves to only look within ourselves (the mirror) for the answers sparked by the ideas created in within ourselves to become questions that we, through logic, truth and love, again using all seven senses, the two spheres, and our own central consciousness to process our own answers as this is the only way true knowledge will result and be stored for future material cycles in the spiritual subconsciousness. Just as this current material cycle provides us the opportunity to process the truthful logic of the answers which become knowledge now and in our current material cycle's remaining time.
I may be wrong for everyone else, as their answers need to be processed for themselves. Just use the mirror to look inside yourself to process your own answers. Just take a step at a time, processing each question inside you as to what direction YOU choose to go and at what speed. Noone else can GIVE you your answers as they need to be processed for yourself within yourself.
Take the nearest freeway exit and begin your own journey using your own route discovered as each step becomes clearer within you. Use Creation's Logic, Love, knowledge through the laws and recommendations that Billy as our prophet of the current times shares with us as a map for each of to use on our own journeys.
-PatM |
Hawaiian
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 03:19 am: |
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Techieatwork, your childish assumptions are really uncalled for, assuming my parents are smoking pot, which you owe them an apology at best, even though they are no longer of this material world, their spirit still dwells in this material world. I wonder if you or others on this post have ever experienced such encounters at such an early stage of life as this toddler has, which I recalled in detail so that others in this site could at least put some effort in explaining this event with their knowledge?
And most importantly lay the foundation for others to come forward with their own unique experiences, however based on the responses so far, I wouldn’t be surprised if none do, if people continue such petty and uncivilized behaviors.
This event is true and I make it available for those on this site as well as the Plejarens themselves to investigate, I have no intention of making a fool of this toddler at that particular time and place, nor do I wish to make a fool of myself now as well.
Still, I don’t see much application coming forward as one would expect from those who claim to be more “evolved” than the masses of Earthly degenerated humans who utilize this official FIGU website. It is a unique case study that has and continue to test the validity of your learning’s and how you apply such knowledge to “fit” this particular case, since its value of attributes are pretty much in pristine, sanitized conditions without the “contaminations” of what one would expect from growing up.
I am disappointed based on the responses so far and find little incentive to continue with other more complex experiences which I find would be best at the moment to be addressed to Billy himself, at least he won’t accuse me of smoking pot. I live under a very strict code which excludes any type of drugs and have studied Billy’s materials by chance about 7 years ago, many of his encounters and explanations I have personally experienced and kept quiet until now. All I gave you guys is the FIRST experience, which is the simplest one, yet I get attacked or should I say some toddler gets thrown under the bus since it pertains to a different time and place?
Where is the explanation of the 6th sense (intuition), how about telepathy, how about the interaction of thoughts between that toddler and entity which resulted in relevant interactions? There are more questions but very little application if any at all, maybe more explanations or references, but what good are these tools if one cannot or will not utilize it for evolutionary endeavors?
Maybe its best to cut this off for good, as what that translucent entity did when I tried to grab it to validate my assumptions of this particular event being real or not? Maybe in a sense, your reactions are no different than this? That was a toddler then, now I’m an adult with more experiences and knowledge of BEAM’s materials and should also follow that entity’s departure as well after all, even Billy says the evolutionary path is often a lonely place to be in?
If it was not for Sheila, my friend, I wouldn’t have joined back into FIGU and frankly speaking, I have learned very little so far unfortunately. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 643
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 04:39 am: |
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Hawaiian,
1. When people die, their spirits and consciousness-blocks move to the spiritual realm, they do not dwell in the material world. The personalities of your parents seized to exist the moment they died.
2. Your obvious disrespect for the Earth humans is very clear, the Earth humans, both Earth humans who had their first incarnation on this planet and those who's spiritform came from the depths of space deserve the same deference.
There is a very interesting quote in the book “Genesis” on page 95 “DIE ORDNUNGS-REGELEN” which stems from the pure spirit level of Petale, which says this:
“Ehrfurcht und Ehrwürdigkeit sind die Urkräfte aller Erkenntnis”
Which means: Deference and venerability are the primordial forces of all cognition
Maybe it would good for you to ponder these words.
3. The sixth sense and (primary) telepathy were explained to you, including reference directly to the Spiritual teaching. That information came from Eduard and can be verified anytime.
4. You just want to hear what you want to hear without considering anyone’s response and thinking about those responses, you expected that people would be awe struck and you are disillusioned when you encounter their honest opinions.
5. You also claimed the following in your 8th post and I quote: "I was told by Christian Frehner that some of my posts are just too complicated and advanced for "normal" people to understand and need to lower the frequency level in order to get those ideas across...Seems like going backwards at times, I thought we are supposed to keep evolving....so I'll see what happens on this site." - end quote.
I have spoken to Christian and he totally denies that he ever said something like this to you, or had any such communication with you like this.
Why do you lie about this on a public forum?
It would be good to deal with your ego issues and blatant disrespect for the Earth human races. Surely, Earth humans are far from perfect, especially in these times, but nonetheless carriers of a spiritform, part of the Creation.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Scott
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Post Number: 2141
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 05:06 am: |
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Hawaiian,
I asked this before, but you didn't answer, have you been a member of this forum before? You mentioned if it wasn't for Sheila you wouldn't have joined back into FIGU. Jacob has presented you with more than one post, information that really is hard to come by unless you study the Spirit Teachings directly and you say you have learned very little, I'm surprised. For myself, I have seen many people come and go on this forum with many stories and experiences. Unfortunately, many people when confronted with responses to their ideas either develop a defensive attitude or they exit from the situation, and leave behind an opportunity to learn about themselves. You mentioned a few weeks ago Christian made a statement to you that you needed to lower the frequency of your information. Christian was asked this recently, and he does not recall making any sort of statement to you at all. Could you please explain this?
No answer is an answer.
Thank you
Scott |
Bronzedesk
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 05:34 am: |
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I for one would prefer to have you stay. We all have something to learn here. We are dealing with possibilities vs. probabilities at this moment in time and the choices we make here and now will most certainly follow and guide us forever! PAX
Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs!
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