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    Rarena Member Post Number: 695 Registered: 10-2005 |
It might be more complete to mention the frequencies these gentlemen are describing concerning spiritual (fine matter) activity rates as being of far greater magnitudes of frequency above what the common Earthman is aware of... nor able to reproduce with technology in use today... It makes SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) look like an amateur exercise... describing in the range of greater than 43 exponental places here... very very high rotational frequency rates... relative to what we experience with our electronic detectors existing primarily in the material coarse matter lower frequency planes... | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 567 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Ramirez The human being receives vibrations and forces from the whole universe, but in particular the so-called cosmic-electromagnetic life energy. This cosmic-electromagnetic life-energy shows a quite fine bluish color, that the human being is able to see under certain circumstances. This is the actual life-energy that the human body picks up and processes and is what the human being truly lives on. This is the actual energy. This energy that penetrates into the body however is converted and yields waste products. These waste products consist of different energy-forms, the most important example being fluidal energy, the personal fluidal form that shapes each individual human being. This is the same energy that takes root in an object carried by a human being over a long stretch of time as well as saturating the outer clothing that they wear. This saturation forms a restraining tank around the body, which not only restricts the release of these fluidal forces from escaping outside of the body but also obstructs the cosmic-electromagnetic life energy from being able to penetrate into the body of the person in full strength. The full and natural change of the penetrating forces as well as the mental fluidal forces from the body can only proceed normally, naturally and unhindered if the body is without any clothes. The mental fluidal forces resigning from the human body is to be compared to the exhaust gases of a car released by the engine and then are pushed away outside by the exhaust pipe. If the pipe is obstructed, then soot collects and with time impairs the engine power. The exact same process takes place with the human, only with mental fluidal forces. But by the clothes worn by people, these fluidal forces are not freely pushed off in the aether, but are absorbed and stored by the clothes and form a tank. This is not to say that all fluidal forces are bad, it depends on the development of the personality resp. of the consciousness. Source: Einführung in die Meditation, pages 229-232 and Rund um die fluidalenergie, pages 49-52. A so-called Heiligenschein (halo), on the other hand, has no connection with mental fluidal energy and fluidal forces. A halo is a hazy Sichtbarwerdung resp. radiation of a very high spiritual-according to consciousness evolution that is still not possible for the earth person but lies still a long way off. And it is not as depicted in medieval and renaissance art, but is a faint light around the head or the whole body. With Jmmanuel this should have become visible but not as is maintained by the Christian religion. Source: Rund um die fluidalenergie, pages 48-49. I hope this helps to clarify a bit more. Regards Bob | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 679 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Jacob and Rarena Thanks for the effort  Yes, it is possible that "spirit frequency" here is about "spiritual activity rates"; more wisdom, reacts faster is logical. It was mentioned somewhere that "with more wisdom, spirit frequency will increase, just like more data can be carried by a higher frequency carrier within a telecommunication system". Perhaps the above information is not from Billy, but it seems reasonable at that time. Salome Savio --------- Hi Savio From my readings in the material, when frequencies are mentioned they are done so as 'higher' or 'lower', which has a different meaning to increasing or decreasing. Maybe all that is really meant then is that as the spirit gains more power, the frequencies emitted are higher than they were before the increase. Here is an exerpt from Wissenwertes #12 on this: Christina: Dann ist es also schon so, wenn ich es einmal so sagen darf: Je höher die Frequenz wird, um so verheerender kann es sich auswirken, wenn unkontrolliert Fremdgedanken entstehen. Billy: Nein, nicht je höher die Frequenz ist, sondern je einheitlicher du dich bewusstseinsmässig und geistig auf die schöpferische oder kosmische Kraft einpendelst und ausrichtest und damit eins wirst. Das sind nicht verschiedene Frequenzen. Es ist nur eine Frequenz, die kosmisch-schöpfungsmässige Schwingung. Robyn (Message edited by indi on June 18, 2011) | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 680 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Robyn Thanks for the information Now, it is confirmed twice that the spirit will not change in its vibrational frequency. Hence what we need now is a clear explanation and understanding on "When the spirit increases in wisdom, it also increases .... and [spirit frequency]...... " Salome Savio | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2108 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Savio.... Nice to hear from you, again! I was also familiar with you question to Billy at the time. I once read, that it was the 'Consciousness' which Expands in Volume...and though (logically, that) the Spirit(-force/power), like-wise. Thus, the first one, is the case(?)...and the second one was off the target(?). I though it would just 'adapt' itself to the Volume of the Consciousness. With the logic...that the Consciousness can not 'over-ride' the Spirit(-force/ power), in Volume. [Say, if A-Consciousness has a diameter of 20 and the B-Spirit(-force/power) 10 ; they can not cope with each other; NO Creational Duality...in the sense of: Balance; Creational Duality would be: A and B being Equal...in diameter, say 20/20 and constantly adapting each other whilst they Evolve together in unison(?).] Edward. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 672 Registered: 01-2004 |
The material consciousness, if this is meant by the term 'Consciousness' in Edward's post, then it can very well be much higher developed then the spirit if we are talking about material-intellectual knowledge (book knowledge, etc) There are plenty of well educated people who are experts in their field and have very little spiritual development or insight. This abnormal development is the case here on Earth, where the material is much more important then the spirit. On the otherside, the spiritual development cant be more then 1% higher then the material consciousness, simply because of the reason that any higher percentage would cause the human being to become unfit for life in the material since he/she would only care about his/her spiritual development and neglect the material. The material and spiritual development are for humans equally important as long as they are material. For Earth humans the ideal form would be that their material-intellectual and spiritual-intellectual development would go hand in hand. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2112 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jacob.... Interesting insight. That is familiar to me. I was more referring to just - the Consciousness -, not Material Consciousness. The Accumulation Application of it, so to speak. Through the course of Evolution...it being able to adjust and adapt itself to greater Accumulation Volume(/Contents) processing, whilst absorbing information, insight, knowledge, etc; linked to it's unique personal Storage Bank. Thus, if it Grows/Expands in Volume...and to process the mentioned data, it was said it will Expand: in Radiance. Thus, the idea would be that the Spirit(force/power) - The Battery/Energy - would automatically adjust and adapt itself to the Consciousness Radiance whilst Expanding, in unison. Creating an Equal Creational Duality: Balance; so to speak. If there are anomalies in the mentioned, this would be of minor difference, but not 'greater than', to 'over-ride' each other, so to speak. If they both are at the same 'intensity'...they would be in Balance and work in unison, more perfectly/properly; which would be quite Logical; than saying that the Spirit(-force/power) lacking behind in intensity to that of the Consciousness Mechanism. This was related to the Golden(Yellow) Zoar Cluster(s; may have spelled the name wrong) which the Spirit-form(s) become part of when completing their Material Reincarnation Cycles; and are processed further for other duties/ tasks, whatever, within Creation. Thank you for your input, Jacob.... Edward. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 673 Registered: 01-2004 |
The overall-consciousness-block (formerly known as the CCB), is composed out of the material consciousness, sensor, material subconsciousness and material central-consciousness with their respective unconsciousness-forms. When it is spoken about the consciousness, it is meant the overall-consciousness-block. Its the OCB which is the primary factor of human material-spiritual evolution, where the spirit in this case - with its unconscious-spiritconsciousness, is just the accumulator/life-spending battery. This does not change until the human is freed from the cycle of reincarnation and becomes a pure-spiritform. The spiritconsciousness of a pure-spiritform is conscious without a personality or ego, but it does have its own identity. - This also explains when Eduard received the information for the book Genesis and Dodekalogue, the handwriting was different and varied many times, since different pure-spiritforms of the pure-spiritform collective Petale level were involved, which each still have their own identity while being part of a collective.- When the material consciousness stores information of a material-intellectual nature, this information is stored primarily in the brain as genetic information and synaptic pathways in conjunction with the storage banks. This purely material knowledge cant be changed to wisdom from which the spirit would benefit, so the spirit does not grow from this at all. It only would represent a potential in the material consciousness so the material consciousness would become bigger in that respective field of knowledge. When the material consciousness is active in a spiritual intellectual manner, and it also accumulates information which can be formed to wisdom from which the spirit would benefit, then the spirit will have more power and be able to spend more power to the material consciousness-forms in return, so the material consciousness-forms would yield more and more (spiritual-intellectual) information in return. Spiritual-intellectual thinking powers the spirit, material-intellectual thinking does not. This can be read in Spirit lesson 5, pages 46-54 (Geisteslehre) Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 601 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Jacob, Semjase's accident at SSSC .... bumped her head. Was that 1977 ? Eventually her brain had to be removed and replaced by a plasma which replicated (cloned) the removed tissue so she was able to .... have a new brain. Would you agree with that ? Not sure which contact report though and someone might be able to locate it so we can read the exact description of events. So: Quoting your post 673: "When the material consciousness stores information of a material-intellectual nature, this information is stored primarily in the brain as genetic information and synaptic pathways in conjunction with the storage banks." So if her brain was removed and what you state is correct how was it possible for her to regain her mind, memories and mental functioning ? Cheers. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 674 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Ramirez, I dont recall the exact year, but it was in the late 70s, could be 78, 79, I have to look it up in the contact notes. Not her complete brain was removed, only the damaged parts which had to grow and change over time to natural tissue. In this case yes, she lost a lot of her abilities, knowledge, etc which she had/has to relearn in longterm rehabilitation. Dont forget the storage banks which store everything a person experiences. The Plejarens are capable of accessing their own storage banks in a conscious manner and retrieve information from it, us Earth humans do this in an unconscious manner. Which manifests itself as hunches when you study, etc. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Ramirez (#601) I remember this account. If I'm correct, only a part of her brain was damaged and replaced with the plasma. She was directed to not attempt to learn anything new for at least 6 months. Jacobus must have felt terrible; I actually felt sorry for him considering how I would have felt. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings, I think this* supports my contention to Edward sometime back that it is not enough to just having read even memorized the materials for someone to say he "knows" * from Jacob # 673 "When the material consciousness is active in a spiritual intellectual manner, and it also accumulates information which can be formed to wisdom from which the spirit would benefit, then the spirit will have more power and be able to spend more power to the material consciousness-forms in return, so the material consciousness-forms would yield more and more (spiritual-intellectual) information in return. Spiritual-intellectual thinking powers the spirit, material-intellectual thinking does not.". Jun My will be done | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 602 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Jacob & Eddie, From my recollection this episode comes in two parts ..... it will be three eventually. Seemingly the original procedure was a success, she recovered somewhat and appeared to be functioning for 2 years then had a collapse after succumbing to an overload of stress. I think it was at that point that she was returned to DAL universe for emergency treatment and the entire brain was replaced and this appears in a separate later contact report. It is mentioned in some report that she has a "new" brain but what you say is off course accurate Jacob in that lost material - content can be "re-downloaded" ..... provided the current functional hardware - software is in a suitable operational condition & configuration. If you might consider this possibility .... the cosmic life force also acts as a sub-subatomic plasma field capable of restoring damaged - lost connections at the consciousness - mind level working from the persons optimal homoestatic DNA blueprint (determined at birth) which is contained in every cell ....... energy healing. The kingdom can only be entered as a child. A lifetime can be spent accumulating baggage but once it is discarded the access gateway opens and off course .... the mirror Cheers. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 671 Registered: 10-2008 |
If one can understand the appropriateness of leaving a person's name out of an accident like that , it's a good thing . Having mentioned the name many times , to consider another's dignity by would be a good idea , I think . What if I had made the mistake , wouldn't it be great if my name was replaced by " passive member" when recanting the story . Bedenke | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Phi-spiral, long time no see. happy to see you. hope everything is well. can the individual control/counter the inadequate level of the energy you mentioned on his own and how? when is there a need for assistance from those in the know, if at all possible? secondly, your "But by the clothes worn by people, these fluidal forces are not freely pushed off in the aether, but are absorbed and stored by the clothes and form a tank." we have heard about this in our side of the world. it even has a negative connotation especially if the deceased has notoriously lower/poor/undesirable personality, to the point that it is even said causes manifestations(ghosts, our definition) to be observed/sensed. where can it be found in the materials in English? suggested key words for searching will be very much appreciated. thank you in advance Jun My will be done | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2113 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jacob.... Am familiar with most of the information. CCB and OCB, not having a personality, ego, etc... Thus, in simple terms: the Spirit(force/power:Battery) keeps the same intensity whilst the accumulating of new data in every incarnation(?). But, still, I would think depending on what the new incarnation's direction is in life; with the knowledge, that if it were to become say a bodybuilder the Spirit(-force/power) would be more intense and obtain a much larger 'charge', due to the utilization of the individual needing more Spirit-power as well as does his Material body, to achieve his achievements in that sport: lifting weights. In contrary to, say, an individual who does office work, which does not need more Spirit-power or increase of intensity, due...his work is not as 'physical' as that of the mentioned bodybuilder. Even though, it is said, that such individual does utilize a considerable amount of 'energy' but not....that great as that of the bodybuilder. Thus, we could sense, here....there is.. an intensity change in charge...due to the just above mentioned logical, input. So, the 'muscle/working power'...is a matter of both the physical body and the Spirit(-force/power); intensity, again, depending on the job/occupation of the individual in his/her incarnation. Take heed: a new born child's Spirit(-force/power) is less...in charge at birth than when he/she is say, 10 years old; and, when he/she is say, 20 years old..the charge has increased due to the charge adapting itself to the individual's life experience/job/profession/occupation, whatever the case may be. Thus, constantly...adapting itself to the individual and his/her body through the life experience; to achieve optimum achievements, physically as well as mentally; thus: the Spirit(-force/power) is never the same. Thus, the just above mentioned would fit in quite well within the framework of the Logic perspective. As most of us know: that we, as human do...have times to 'regenerate' our Body as well as our Spirit(-force/power: Battery), both having to be 'recharged' so that we can cope with life and whatever obligations we must execute in our daily life. Thus, there is...a certain intensity unison of both in the above mentioned as well as the Consciousness and Spirit(-force/power) association, scenario/ manifestation; Logically speaking. BTW: Zoar should be Zohar. Edward. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 677 Registered: 01-2004 |
No, the spirit does not keep the same intensity while accumulating, it increases depending the efforts of the personality. If the body of a lifeform would be an indication how powerful the spirit must be, then a blue whale (Balaenoptera musculus) would have a much more potent spiritform then a human being. I am talking about the spirit power ‘fed’ back to the material consciousness forms, not to the body. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Jun I have attempted to answer your questions as best as I can in a post under Misc. Discussions on The Spiritual Teaching, since it is no longer "on topic" here. Regards Bob | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 01-2009 |
My friend, I will also take your advise and do my very best not commit the same mistake again of directly addressing a fellow student by name (my post #235) which you can intelligently/eloquently do. Jun My will be done | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2114 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jacob.... Yes, that would be clear. As I mentioned with the Child Age comparison: the charge has increased due to the charge adapting itself to the individual's life experience/job/ profession/occupation, whatever the case maybe. Thus, constantly...adapting itself to the individual and his/her body through the life experience; to achieve optimum achievements, physically as well as mentally; thus: the Spirit(-force/power) is never the same. And your Whale comparison, is quite clear relating to your mentioned: spirit power ‘fed’ back to the Material Consciousness forms, not to the body. As/And I was referring to the Body and not the Material Consciousness. But, the Spirit(-force/power) of the Whale is indeed many times Stronger than that of the human, of course. Such a Powerful sea animal. And I am speaking here of just it's Spirit-Force/Power, and not as a Spirit-form; to distinguish the both. I think we understand each other now... "Patience is a virtue", as they say... Edward. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 680 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Edward, I think there is still some misunderstanding. In the universe, except for the Creation and the pure-spiritforms, the human spirit form is the most powerful spiritform. The spiritform of a blue wale is a lot lower then a human spirit. The spirit-power which is needed to animate a body is just a tiny fraction of its overall power, and the difference in spirit-power utilization in order to animate the body of a full grown man and a baby virtually non-existent. The spirit-power grows over time in each life, depending how much a person makes an effort. A very physical body-builder who studies the Spirit teaching grows faster in spirit-power then a very materialistic office clerk who does nothing to evolve him/herself. The spirit-power cant be seen separate from a spiritform, where there is spirit-power, there is a spiritform, depending on the form of life. There is just remark I want to state to you personally Edward, but I think its worth telling in public. In my opinion I have noticed that you felt personally attacked by me, this is my personal opinion. I want to state clearly and in out of the open that is not the case. The reason why I am so focussed on usage of the correct terminology is that we are current in a stage of material-consciousness-related evolution where it becomes absolutely important that we use the proper meanings for subjects pertaining the material-consciousness related, spiritual and psychological development, etc. (BEAM states this several times in the Geisteslehre) You have to understand, and I think we all have to understand.. that we are entering a stage of material-consciousness-related and spiritual evolution and therefor we still have to develop the proper meanings and words for events, phenomena, systems and mechanisms in this major part of human existence. Our old words and meanings do not fit anymore, just like the word Soul is totally obsolete word for Psyche. If you do a thought experiment, and go back a few thousands years to the time of the Romans, do you think the Romans would have words and meanings for DNA, Gnome, Quasars, Chromosomes, electrons, etc. just to mention a few? I think in case of Emperor Nero, you would end-up as a living torch in his backyard. If you catch my drift. We are now at the beginning of our 'conscious' material-consciousness-related and spiritual evolution and we are all confronted with new terminology. In order to evolve as fast as possible its absolutely important that all of us, none excluded, use and study the correct terminology as correctly as possible, so miscommunication is minimized. Again, I have nothing against you whatsoever, but I felt the need to clarify some of my actions. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 682 Registered: 01-2004 |
In response to post #17 of Imaginosdesdinova The pure-spiritlevel of Petale has changed the consistency of Nokodemjon's pure-spiritform in a way (unknown to me) so his spiritform could return to the cycle of reincarnation and fulfill his self-imposed duty of prophet in order to get his people back in line with the natural-creative laws and recommendations. This change has happened eons ago, not on Earth. The level of Petale is so extremely advanced that they can see that far in the future of this universe. Very little is truly known about this level, but what I can tell is that they are vastly superior in spiritual knowledge to everything, including the level of Arahat Athersata. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 07-2006 |
Billy had some public questions/answers that were documented in Contact Block 5 at the end of Contact 228 (Pg 480 - 483) which included additional information regarding the Nokodemion Spirit form and its reincarnation out of the Arahat Athersata level enabled through the authoritative engagement of the Petale level. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_228 -PatM |
