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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2086
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 01:05 am: | 
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Hi Sitkaa...
With the - Near Future - I was referring to the time span of about 700-800
years; which, by than, we will acquire the Spiritual Teachings, and in the
mean time have solved our Gene alteration problems. Thus, by the time we are
Creational Spiritual...we will acquire TRUE Creational Science, which will
benefit us in this endeavor....
We are still...dependent on our scientist, of course. Just depends on how
swift they can resolve the mentioned, alterations.
Here in the Netherlands they do quite excellent Gene research. You would be
surprised what they know, here.
Edward. |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 368
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 06:34 pm: |
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Hi Edward, I'm interested to know what they know there.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 481
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 30, 2011 - 10:40 am: |
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Howdy Edward (and/or anyone else who wants to chime in), this is a topic of some interest for me. Please elaborate:
1. has Erda's future timeline been delineated, and can we access it?
2. what is the 'TRUE Creational Science' of which you mention?
3. what are the mad scientists of Holland doing right now that has caught your fancy? If I am your audience, you can be specific in this regard.
Thanks, this is something I have a strong interest in.
: )
Fur leben.
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2098
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 04:31 am: |
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Hi Sitkaa...
'TRUE Creational Science': according to Creation's specifications/laws/
insight, etc....
Man, due to his evolution status...created his own (science) laws(, etc..):
Mad Made, if you will.[Nothing wrong with that...that is just part of his
evolution, just as it can manifest anywhere within Creation...]
What the mad scientists are doing here in Holland?
Best to read what I mentioned in the Gene string, to Sheila. [Best to conduct
a personal study on that...at your own pace.]
Edward. |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 247
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 10:10 am: |
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Hello moderators and Passive Members,
The following is both for me and my youngest nephew.
My nephew wishes to better understand his connection to Creation and I feel he could begin to gain this cognition by working his backyard and making it appealing for his mother and perhaps learning a bit about science, nature and Creation.
He has committed to the concentration exercises and the learning of the German language so he and I can practice with one another. Of everyone in the my family he is the one who has become quite intrigued with this aspect. He is 12 years old.
Any suggestions, based on what you have learned from your visits to the SSSC and the maintenance/upkeep/work on the grounds that is associated with the spirit teachings that would be of insight or help to us...that we should consider?
Thank you and salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 701
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 01:09 pm: |
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Hi Eddie,
It is best not to expose your nephew to the Spirit teaching just yet, let him find out on his own what he wants.
However if he does ask questions about the Creation, god, life, etc. etc. it should be straight to the point without going into great detail, a young person like him should be given the opportunity to develop his interests in the way he wishes not the way how others would like to see it, no matter if that would be about the Spirit teaching or not.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 248
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 02:20 pm: |
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Thanks Jacob,
Agreed. This has been a slow process and he's been asking questions for quite some time. Within the past several months I've found myself as the go-to-guy in my family for all sorts of issues. I have simply used the principles I've learned in the Kelch to give them a sense of direction or to put things into perspective or to see things from a different perspective.
I have not done any "teaching" and have only, as I mentioned above, used the principles found in the Kelch to give them a new or different perspective.
You would be surprised at the questions he has asked me. From why are there so many religions to why do aliens abduct people and perform experiments on them. He wanted to know what happens when we die. Why this and why that. I could go and on.
As you say, I am straight to the point and honest. When he goes into depth with questions I give him research to do so he can first learn and understand pertinent things relative to his questions...to my surprise, he does the research. I have not influenced him in any way; as a matter of fact, I never thought he was so serious.
The backyard work will develop work ethics, learn responsibility and to be systematic and orderly. Their upbringing has instilled a character of laziness with certain things. His mother could use a pretty backyard for her to relax and meditate to alleviate her stress (issues) and he can learn about science and nature. He understands the origins of Gods and only knows by mention of the Creation and that he can discover many things about himself and so forth through nature. This is of his interests.
I don't think he's ready to tackle the study of the Goblet of Truth, but the "nature" aspect of Creation did spark an interest in him. He likes science.
It all started when I realized he likes to "cheat" when he plays games with his brothers, myself and others. He thought cheating was harmless and that the ability to do so gave him an edge. From that one exchange he grew into more and more questions. He no longer enjoys cheating when he plays games and attempts to win honestly and will lend suggestions to less experienced players now.
(I do agree) He doesn't need to become the next Jmmanuel (figure of speech) at this point in his young life...rather, only to slowly become acquainted with Creation through his labors in the nature of his backyard. He wants to better understand Creation and what that has to do with him. He is intrigued.
My question for him is really to learn, from the SSSC, what should I incorporate into his backyard work that would help him and the family members that wish to participate. Or, based on your experience and knowledge, what would you suggest for your own nephew in this situation?
Thnx in advance,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 681
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 08:56 pm: |
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Hi Eddie ;
It's good to hear about young people noticing the truth in all of this .At about that age , I remember looking for something like this , that for me , did not yet exist .
I think that to remind him that what you invest in is what you get in return . Making the backyard beautiful might earn him a few nice experiences , like a party with his friends . He did the work himself ,and that can relate to anything , like building new technology , for example ; or reaching out to the better reasoning of other kids who don't think about their actions .
Salome , Mark |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 250
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 09:36 pm: |
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Mark,
You just gave me some ideas. I like your suggestion of a reward for him. Also, a good friend of mine is a master with edible gardening that include nice smelling edible flowers (his mother will love this!). I'm going to get some input from him. You're right, there is so much he can get out of this and associate it to so many things. My nephew will certainly learn the concept of Law of Cause & Effect and he can associate this to goal setting and accomplishments.
Thanks Mark.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 682
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 11:43 pm: |
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Oh hey , Eddie , nothing to it .
I had a thought as I read your post , that you could teach him creative things , for example , if one was stranded somewhere with no food or water , one could chew the local flora for water and cellulose , some available carbohydrates , if they knew which ones were'nt poinsonous .
Salome , Mark |
Alagna
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 07-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 09:39 pm: |
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Hi Aburns87,
You said on another thread, “It can be damaging for the knowledgeable person if they are bombarded with too many questions that they have to spend their precious time answering. (especially if they are having to cite sources, search though information etc.)”
For the most part, digging through sources and searching for information to post on this forum is extremely beneficial to the poster, maybe more so than the person asking. A large part of the the Mission, IMO, is to get earth people to start thinking for themselves with the information provided by the Figu. And trying to answer a question for a forum participant, responsibly drawing on Figu sources, is a consciousness-related exercise that benefits the person who is doing the work.
Which brings up the real danger here, that other people become dependent on asking questions and fail to take self-responsibility for their own evolution. So it is much more “damaging” for the person just asking, and not doing anything for himself or herself. There is enough Figu information available on this site, Future of Mankind, TheyFly, etc., to pretty much provide a basic answer to anything, if one really looks and ponders, IMO. People who are too lazy to do at least some work, if not a large part of it, and expect other people to do it for them, are damaging their consciousness by not pushing for the truth with some sort of consciousness-related exercise, like posting something useful on this forum.
Best Regards,
Anthony |
Aburns87
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 11:53 pm: |
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I agree that searching for the information is useful if it is done with the right attitude. Sorry for not expressing myself clearly, I was implying that if the person feels obligated to answer the questions, it is damaging. ...which I suppose the person answering needs to use some discretion regarding what questions are interesting for them. Receiving all the answers robs the person of motivation to find the answers themselves. (learning german, studying the spirit lessons etc.)
Nice to meet you btw Anthony!
-Andrew |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 727
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 09:56 am: |
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Hello,
If I can put my two cents in. I am convinced that knowledge should be shared responsibly, which means finding the delicate spot where one gives enough information to think but indeed not to make it too easy. The journey is as important as reaching its goal.
In the 10 years that this forum exists, it has reached a critical mass in information available, accumulated by its forum participants. New comers and seasoned members can use the search function to seek answers, and when they really can't find the answer, ask here on the forum.
It is a very good solution for people get a scanner, OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program and a translation program to scan in the books, writings and spirit lessons for their own use, in conjunction with websites such as dict.figu.org, theyfly.com and futureofmankind, etc
Even though a machine translation is far from perfect, common sense and reason should be able to get the essence out of it.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Matthew
Member
Post Number: 14
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 01:12 pm: |
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My unauthorized translation of Billy’s article written on the evening of the General Assembly of Passive Members in May 28th 2011 which I attended. I have not included it here to keep my post short, but, to read the original German please go to:
http://beam.figu.org/artikel/1312344000/nicht-feindschaft-ueben-sondern-freundschaft-pflegen?page=0,0
Do not practice enmity, but cultivate friendship ...
Actually, it is unquestionable that it is vital for humans to have good friends, even if some are of the wrong opinion that it is not, because they would do better without friends and could live very well in enmity with others. This is an erroneous and false opinion because if human beings have no friends, then they live internally in solitude and are stunted in their thoughts and feelings and suffer psychological damage. Without friends, humans become spiteful and solitary, reclusive, cynical, hateful and vengeful and become grumpy in an unfair way and are much more given to negative excesses.
Each conscious, mental-emotional, and moderately healthy, human psyche cannot fail to have good friends who accept and share their life honestly and truly care about them. The connecting smiles of friends is of great importance, as this is a uniquely human ability, and expresses humanity as well as compassion, gratitude, unanimity and good interpersonal relationships. In addition, the smile has positive effects on other humans as well and makes them happy. A dark or sad face is not appreciated which is absolutely human nature because a normal consciousness, thought and emotion and mentally healthy person is neither gloating nor keen on suffering, pain and problems. Naturally, a smile can also be dishonest and purely functional, hence, therefore, hide behind it deceit, lies, rumors and slanders, and greed for profit, etc. For real and cordial relations to be maintained, an honest and genuine smile is what pleases everyone. Such a smile finds favour amongst and is the pleasure of upright and connected friends whose friendship is based on kinship and harmony, whose inner nature seeks to be in accordance with a creative-natural laws. That is what humans should take to heart because they then gain inner happiness as well as a meaningful and joyful life because true friendship, like true love, offers endless value.
If humans hold hostile and suspicious thoughts and feelings towards one or more people, then they separate themselves from others and practice degenerate excesses, which bear no love and no happiness. So it is necessary that a friendly and harmonious, as well as connecting, atmosphere and an unselfish attitude is created. If these high values are created then these are recognized and appreciated by others, whereby reliable friendships are created naturally and automatically. People who isolate themselves and who are nasty, solitary, cynical, hateful and vengeful and grumpy and unjust, who maintain erroneous thoughts and feelings that jealousy, dishonesty, vices, pride or competitiveness, and much more negative degenerations, etc, are forfeited, cannot maintain honest friendships. Such humans are constantly on the alert and lie in wait like poisonous snakes to inject their venom and to make others defenseless victims that they can manipulate at will. They maintain their attitude and will not change or improve it. The great evil of this is that these kind of people do not admit that they have to change their own inner impulses, so they expect that the necessary changes can only occur in the outside world. Therefore they are unable to produce any positive transformation within themselves, which is why they are disappointed. The positive transformation they seek can only come about when they change the corresponding impulses internally.
Humans who are disposed to joy, harmony, forgiveness, tolerance, kindness and honesty, moderation and who are sober, calm, balanced, reasonable and accepting may be estimated as good friends both in the short-term and long-term perspective, because rooted in them undoubtedly is love, inner peace, happiness, responsibility and harmony. This is not only evident in that person for whom it is an undoubted fact that can be recognized and understood by any reasonable and normal thinking people, but because it is created and experienced completely by the person themselves. When that person looks back at life neutrally and honestly, then it becomes apparent that from all their activities, only this was of any importance to them especially and also to their fellow human beings.
Sometimes we may not recognize what things benefited us in relation to realizing our own interests. Some gains will appear like the dreams in sleep where little of benefit or use is left. Much of the past life is negative and reprehensible, like dishonesty, deception, greed, obstinacy, hatred, revenge, retaliation and malice, etc., and that weighs heavily on thoughts and feelings. Any benefits resulting in a lasting and valuable friendship or something else good has been and is a cause for sincere and true joy and inner happiness. Looking back, it is recognized that life was that way only insofar as it was lived in a loving, friendly, good and valuable way for ourselves especially and for the people directly or indirectly and so brought benefits for us and others. Particularly good and honest friendships that were maintained in the past years, brought joyful and happy thoughts and feelings and a sense of fulfilled life, joy, happiness and inner harmony which a human being can live from their whole life.
SSSC, 28 May 2011, 22:43 h, Billy
Salome,
Matthew |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 728
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 01:43 pm: |
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This is Matthews German original:
Menschen, die sich abkapseln, gehässig, eigenbrötlerisch, zynisch, hass- und rachevoll sowie mürrisch und ungerecht sind, die Groll hegen, Fehler pflegen, die der Eifersucht, der Unehrlichkeit, Lastern, dem Stolz oder Konkurrenzdenken und vielem mehr an negativen Ausartungen usw. verfallen sind, pflegen überhaupt keine ehrliche Freundschaften. Solche Menschen liegen dauernd auf der Lauer, wie Giftschlangen, um anderen ihr Gift einzuspritzen und sie zu wehrlosen Opfern zu machen, die sie willenlos manipulieren können. Ihre eigene Einstellung behalten sie bei und bemühen sich in keiner Weise, sie zu ändern und zu verbessern. Das grosse Übel dabei ist, dass diese Art Menschen nicht darauf kommen, dass sie sich in sich selbst ändern müssen und sich dazu innere Anstösse geben müssen, daher erwarten sie, dass die notwendigen Dinge und Faktoren in bezug auf Veränderungen nur von aussen auf sie eintreten werden. Daher vermögen sie nicht, innerlich irgendeine positive Umwandlung hervorzurufen, weshalb sie enttäuscht sind. Wahrlich kann es aber nur zu einem positiven Ereignis und Wandel kommen, wenn innerlich entsprechende Impulse erschaffen und dadurch Wandlungen vorgenommen werden.
Menschen, die freudvoll, harmonisch, nachsichtig, versöhnlich, tolerant, gütig und ehrlich, massvoll sowie besonnen, ruhig, ausgeglichen, verständig und verträglich gesinnt sind, dürfen sowohl aus kurzfristiger als auch aus langfristiger Sicht als gute Freunde geschätzt werden, denn in ihnen wurzeln zweifellos Liebe, innerer Frieden, Glück, Gutes und Harmonie. Das muss nicht erst bewiesen werden, denn es ist eine zweifellose Tatsache, die von jedem vernünftigen und normaldenkenden Menschen erkannt und verstanden werden kann, weil er durch das Erfahren und dessen Erleben das Ganze nachvollziehen kann.
Wird neutral und ehrlich auf das eigene Leben zurückgeblickt, dann wird klar erkennbar, dass von allen durchlebten Aktivitäten einzig und allein jene von Bedeutung waren, die einerseits eigens und andererseits auch den Mitmenschen zugute kamen. Manchmal kann dabei allerdings nicht genau erkannt werden, welchen Nutzen Unternehmungen brachten in bezug auf das Verwirklichen von eigenen Interessen. Manche erzielte Gewinne erscheinen nicht selten wie im Schlaf durchlebte Träume, wobei manchmal auch nur wenig Brauchbares und Nutzvolles übrigbleibt. Manches des vergangenen Lebens ist negativ und verwerflich, wie Unredlichkeit, Irreführung, Geiz, Rechthaberei, Hass, Rache, Vergeltung und Böswilligkeit usw., und das lastet dann schwer auf den Gedanken und Gefühlen. Alles aber, das irgendeinen Nutzen erwirkt und zu einer bleibenden und wertvollen Freundschaft oder zu sonst etwas Gutem geführt hat, war und ist ein Anlass zur aufrichtigen und wahren Freude und zu innerem Glück. Und wird so zurückgeblickt, dann wird erkannt, dass sich das Leben nur insofern erfüllte, was Liebevolles, Freundschaftliches, Gutes und Wertvolles für eigens und für die Mitmenschen direkt oder indirekt getan wurde und sowohl eigens als auch für Mitmenschen Nutzen brachte. Insbesondere gute und ehrliche Freundschaften, die in den verflossenen Jahren gepflegt wurden, brachten frohe und glückliche Gedanken und Gefühle und erfüllten einen Sinn des Lebens, der Freude, innerem Glück und Harmonie , wovon der Mensch sein Leben lang zehren kann.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Matthew
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 04:41 am: |
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Thanks Jacob
According to my translation which may be wrong, in the third paragraph Billy is saying that to forfeit friends so that one does not feel "...jealousy, dishonesty, vices, pride or competitiveness, and much more negative degenerations, etc.." is wrong thinking as this kind of person is trying to change themselves by forfeiting others, i.e., change themselves from the outside/in rather than inside/out. Am I correct in that translation?
I ask because I am concerned that I have misinterpreted what Billy is saying & if so would want to remove my translation.
I find myself increasingly isolated because the friends that I was enjoyed have fallen into the mire of these kind of vices and cannot maintain good relations with me. I have in all honesty tried to confront them about their dishonesty and jealousy, etc, but am used to my honesty being returned with hostility and exclusion. However, in my resulting isolation I question whether I am right to confront them especially in the light of this teaching as I feel some bitterness towards them for their shortcomings. But there are not many people I know where I live who are not laden with these kinds of vices & so I am now thinking the problem is with me. If one extends this out to Earth humans we are not exactly a loving bunch. It may be that I have to move and I reminded of the teaching in the TJ about going to a town and kicking off the dust from one's feet, etc, but that was then when nomadic lifestyles were common.
In the end, this makes me admire Billy even more as there is no-one on the planet who can give him the love and understanding that he gives and yet he is not bitter or withholding and carries on regardless in love and peace.
No so much a clear question more of a rant but this reflects where I am at, so...
Salome,
Matthew |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 395
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 08:09 am: |
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Hi Matthew, please don't run away because that doesn't solve the problem. Just find better friends. As you've stated there are some available where you live. It's all about choices and you've become wiser and you simply will not put up with the same crap as you used to, and there's nothing wrong with that. You are evolving and sometimes that feels like you are alone. But don't feel that way because you have good friends here.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 262
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 09:31 am: |
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Hello Mathew,
(#15)
In my opinion, “the problem" is always with us. It really doesn’t matter who lit the fire…the issue is that now there is a fire. What I mean is that some times we start the issue and some times others start the issue. In both cases we hold the steering wheel and determine how the issue is dealt with. Beware of fallacy.
Our perspective, point of view, so on and so on, can be a hindrance or a tool. Either we see things as they truly are…or we approach everyone as the personality they self-portray. Keep in mind that the personality we are confronting is influenced by myriad non/subconscious induced behavioral programming.
Never the less, we should consider removing the beam that is in our own eye before we attempt to remove the splinter out of someone else’s eye. Meaning that we should look within ourselves to better understand others. When we are aware of our own imperfections, our constancy to error in judgment of others, so on and so on, then we can begin to understand others (and ourselves) better.
Also, keep this in mind. You have access to a knowledge and understanding, which when cultivated and harvested, should fill you with the longing for when we all join in the we-form. You must hold the knowledge of the spiritform steadfast in the forefront of your mind as you interact with other human beings. You must view them as an incarnated spiritform that is now under the impression that their personality is the whole of who and what they are. That their thoughts, impressions and suspicions are their own.
I now see everyone as an incarnated spiritform who is dealing with a personality that influences how they think, perceive things, judge things, value things and that even determines what they should believe or not. I find it fascinating to see Creation’s idea of the evolutionary daily process in effect right before my eyes. Upon reflecting, I am able to actually learn something from myself and the other people I was interacting with.
Perceive and recognize Creation’s presence in all things and in everyone so that you will have a unique perspective. In this way, you will be amused and patient, filled with understanding of their plight and a hope that you may be a small nudge in helping their evolutive process. You will have a natural concern for the well being of their psyche and will gain great pleasure in showing by example, through deeds and words, the higher virtues of those attributes Creation would require of us before we can merge with it. Interesting that Billy would express the importance of an honest and genuine smile…just the thing to positively impact someone’s psyche (with the stress of modern life, we could all use a smile now and then).
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Andyv24
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 03:41 pm: |
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Hello folks...
There is oft made mention of "initiation," as in the way of evolution is through, study, meditation, and "initiation"--please, excuse my ignorance, but what is exactly meant by said "initiation"? I did a search, but a certain forum member "Newinitiation" rendered this a futile attempt... (I foster no resentment New  )
Thanks much
Andy
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Alagna
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 07-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 05:52 pm: |
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Hi Matthew,
I ran the German through google translate and got a whole different article. Google starts off with, “People isolate themselves who, nasty, solitary, cynical, hate and revenge in full and grumpy and unjust, the grudge, maintain errors that jealousy, dishonesty, vices, pride or competitiveness, and much more negative degenerations, etc. forfeited, at all honestly not maintain friendships. Such people are constantly on the alert, such as poisonous snakes…” I think the confusion you are having with this is that this article is more about “nasty,” “cynical,” hateful, revengeful, etc. people who don’t keep friends; and not about people, who are spiritually striving, that find that they have, as you say, become increasingly isolated.
It is no mystery to anyone posting on this forum that the Figu material has a tendency to upset the mainstream. So you should not feel that this article is addressing your situation, necessarily.
The important thing to get from this article, in my opinion, (google translation), “People who are disposed to joyful, harmonious, tolerant, forgiving, tolerant, kind and honest, in moderation, and sober, calm, balanced, reasonable and acceptable, may be estimated as good friends both in current as well as from long-term perspective…” Likewise, Matthew, it is important for all of us to be “joyful, harmonious, tolerant, forgiving,” etc., and open to friendships, even if we don’t have some now.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Cameronjamieson
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 05:54 pm: |
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Matthew
I've also have had a similar experience.
I'm thinking birds of a feather flock togeather.
So if a peace loving kind open minded quiet person wants to join an aggressive loud abusive closed minded crew then there is bound to be a clash. This is a strong contrast.
From what i've read so far, it is not our journey to change others, rather to be the change and if others ask we can help them also be the change.
This still asks the question of "who are my people/tribe" for me i would say the FIGU people all around the world and also the rest of humanity. Because in the end we are all connected. Yet this doesn't make it any easier, there are not large groups of FIGU people everywhere where one can find friends of a similar mind and recieve face to face support, on the internet you can find FIGU friends though what happens when your computer crashes. I think at the moment where i live Grafton NSW Australia , i'm the only FIGU supporter out of 15 000.
So it seems it's up to me to go out there and gather around me people who like Billy meier, this is not an easy task when you look around where i live and you see the aggressive angry male who thinks he's tougher than all the rest or the very religious man or i'm to wasted to be bothered man and so on. But this is the town where last year on the internet i found out about Billy Meier so you never really know who's just around the corner.
I suppose this is also a rant
i hope this can give you a little smile.
Salome
Cameron |
Matthew
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 07:34 am: |
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Dear Justsayno, Eddie, Anthony, Cameron,
Thank you all for your heartfelt responses.
Justsayno - I appreciate your kind words my friend and do keep them in mind. In all honestly, upon reflection, the strange compulsion I feel to be a friend to and friends with people that I feel let down by makes me think that Eddie is correct in that the problem lies with me or else I would not be so disappointed by, angry and sad as to miss these friends and finding new ones would be easy because as Billy says, "Each conscious, mental-emotional, and moderately healthy, human psyche cannot fail to have good friends" so the fact that I am struggling could tell me something. I also want to be careful not to undermine myself because as you say I may just have bad friends but I feel that if this was the case I would be able to move on with ease as I would feel no responsibility or attachment to the negativity.
Also to Cameron & Anthony - I am certainly heartened by the fact that I find support and honesty from my FIGU friends here who are there to offer wise counsel. In discovering Billy & FIGU and reading about & accepting the teachings I often come into conflict with 'accepted' ways of thinking & behaving which means that I am singly of a view at odds with peers. However, I feel that true wisdom and love lends itself to feeling privileged and honored by this. The fact that I do not and that I come into conflict as Eddie suggests means that I may be just beginning my journey and tilling the soil for the later harvest & that I should be careful not fall into false pride and arrogance and hate which may be a pitfall and challenge to early Billy pupils. By falling into these vices I do not demonstrate a real understanding of the teachings only my lack of understanding.
Eddie - for many years I had dreams of swimming pools in many varied scenarios. I would never be in the pool though but outside speaking with a Native American or meeting friends dressed in middle ages costume, etc. This swimming pool could represent the we-form you mention. Interestingly, I am a little averse to swimming with others and I think you are right I am thinking I am swimming with personalities rather than with spirit-forms. I can only assume that this is because I have not truly identified or feel on a day to day basis the Creational within myself. I have at times but this tends to be during life's "highs". I wish to harbour this feeling in my day to day and this has to start with my relationship to myself and to my friends which I am currently struggling with.
Salome,
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Patm
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@Matthew,
I am not sure exactly what you came up with when translating the article but,
This is my unauthorized /unapproved translation of the same article (in blue):
Menschen, die sich abkapseln, gehässig, eigenbrötlerisch, zynisch, hass- und rachevoll sowie mürrisch und ungerecht sind, die Groll hegen, Fehler pflegen, die der Eifersucht, der Unehrlichkeit, Lastern, dem Stolz oder Konkurrenzdenken und vielem mehr an negativen Ausartungen usw. verfallen sind, pflegen überhaupt keine ehrliche Freundschaften. Solche Menschen liegen dauernd auf der Lauer, wie Giftschlangen, um anderen ihr Gift einzuspritzen und sie zu wehrlosen Opfern zu machen, die sie willenlos manipulieren können. Ihre eigene Einstellung behalten sie bei und bemühen sich in keiner Weise, sie zu ändern und zu verbessern. Das grosse Übel dabei ist, dass diese Art Menschen nicht darauf kommen, dass sie sich in sich selbst ändern müssen und sich dazu innere Anstösse geben müssen, daher erwarten sie, dass die notwendigen Dinge und Faktoren in bezug auf Veränderungen nur von aussen auf sie eintreten werden. Daher vermögen sie nicht, innerlich irgendeine positive Umwandlung hervorzurufen, weshalb sie enttäuscht sind. Wahrlich kann es aber nur zu einem positiven Ereignis und Wandel kommen, wenn innerlich entsprechende Impulse erschaffen und dadurch Wandlungen vorgenommen werden.
Humans who are isolating themselves, hateful, solitary, cynical, hateful and revengeful and grumpy and unjust, that hold grudges, maintain faults, jealousy, dishonesty, vices, pride or competitiveness and to many more negative degeneracies have fallen, maintain absolutely no honest friendships. Such people are constantly on the lookout, like poisonous snakes, to inject their venom into others and to make them defenseless victims, whos willpower they can manipulate. They keep their own attitudes inside and in no way seek to change or to improve them. The great evil here is, that this kind of human, it does not occur to them that they must change inside themselves and therefore they must give into necessary inner impulses that await them. Only outside things and factors, with respect to changes, will occur in them. Therefore they can not, inwardly produce any positive transformation, which is why they are disappointed. Truly can it, however, only to a positive event and changes occur when internally appropriate impulses are created and thus changes made.
Menschen, die freudvoll, harmonisch, nachsichtig, versöhnlich, tolerant, gütig und ehrlich, massvoll sowie besonnen, ruhig, ausgeglichen, verständig und verträglich gesinnt sind, dürfen sowohl aus kurzfristiger als auch aus langfristiger Sicht als gute Freunde geschätzt werden, denn in ihnen wurzeln zweifellos Liebe, innerer Frieden, Glück, Gutes und Harmonie. Das muss nicht erst bewiesen werden, denn es ist eine zweifellose Tatsache, die von jedem vernünftigen und normaldenkenden Menschen erkannt und verstanden werden kann, weil er durch das Erfahren und dessen Erleben das Ganze nachvollziehen kann.
Humans that are joyful, harmonious, indulgent, forgiving, tolerant, kind and honest-minded, in moderation, and sober, calm, balanced, intelligent and friendly, may both, from short-term as well as from long-term, are Viewed as good valued friends because they are rooted in love, no doubt, inner peace, happiness, harmony and good. This must not first be proven because it is an undoubted fact of which each reasonable and normal thinking human recognizes and can be understood because through their experiencing and living can comprehend the whole thing.
Wird neutral und ehrlich auf das eigene Leben zurückgeblickt, dann wird klar erkennbar, dass von allen durchlebten Aktivitäten einzig und allein jene von Bedeutung waren, die einerseits eigens und andererseits auch den Mitmenschen zugute kamen. Manchmal kann dabei allerdings nicht genau erkannt werden, welchen Nutzen Unternehmungen brachten in bezug auf das Verwirklichen von eigenen Interessen. Manche erzielte Gewinne erscheinen nicht selten wie im Schlaf durchlebte Träume, wobei manchmal auch nur wenig Brauchbares und Nutzvolles übrigbleibt. Manches des vergangenen Lebens ist negativ und verwerflich, wie Unredlichkeit, Irreführung, Geiz, Rechthaberei, Hass, Rache, Vergeltung und Böswilligkeit usw., und das lastet dann schwer auf den Gedanken und Gefühlen. Alles aber, das irgendeinen Nutzen erwirkt und zu einer bleibenden und wertvollen Freundschaft oder zu sonst etwas Gutem geführt hat, war und ist ein Anlass zur aufrichtigen und wahren Freude und zu innerem Glück. Und wird so zurückgeblickt, dann wird erkannt, dass sich das Leben nur insofern erfüllte, was Liebevolles, Freundschaftliches, Gutes und Wertvolles für eigens und für die Mitmenschen direkt oder indirekt getan wurde und sowohl eigens als auch für Mitmenschen Nutzen brachte. Insbesondere gute und ehrliche Freundschaften, die in den verflossenen Jahren gepflegt wurden, brachten frohe und glückliche Gedanken und Gefühle und erfüllten einen Sinn des Lebens, der Freude, innerem Glück und Harmonie , wovon der Mensch sein Leben lang zehren kann.
When neutrally and honestly looking back on your life, then clearly recognizable, that of all the activities lived, only and alone those of importance were, on the one hand, specifically benefited from, and on the other hand, others benefited from. Sometimes, however, what benefit enterprises brought can not be detected accurately with respect to the fulfill of their own interests. Many achieved gains do not appear, as in dreams lived through sleep, which sometimes too little and usable rarely remains. Much of the past life is negative and reprehensible such as dishonesty, Misleading, Greed, obstinacy, hatred, revenge, retaliation and malice, etc. and this then weighs heavy on the thoughts and feelings.}
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