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    Techieatwork Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 08-2008 |
I would say: Nursing, Psychology, Therapist, Couple Councillor, Nurse I am myself a computer boy, not helping others much with psychology/counseling, as much as I should. Salome Carlos -- Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form. Quetzal: Das will ich tun. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 261 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Marbar (#182) My thoughts on your question: It would not matter necessarily what occupation or career is chosen. From a spiritual perspective, this highly evolved spiritform/personality would be sensitive and aware of the spirituality of those with whom conversation is made. Through this awareness, this personality would naturally guide and inspire with the same love one guides and inspires a child. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 388 Registered: 02-2009 |
Alagna & Jacob, Could you please respond my previous Post Number: 384 .. The great Truths of Philosophy are not proved but seen - S.Radhakrishnan | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 686 Registered: 10-2008 |
Marbar , I think theyre called retirees . | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 725 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Mahigitam, I will answer your question about the ego/I as soon as possible. Since I have been very occupied with my work I didn't have enough time yet to write an answer. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Aburns87 Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 05-2008 |
Although it is not really my place to say something... It is important to ask questions but be aware of the stresses that it puts on others when asking. It can be damaging for the knowledgeable person if they are bombarded with too many questions that they have to spend their precious time answering. (especially if they are having to cite sources, search though information etc.) And it can be damaging to the person asking if they are depending on one person or source for all their answers, since they are missing out on developing abilities and skills useful for finding the answers to their questions. (testing, observing, using rationality etc) ...Instead it is easy to become dependent on the knowledgeable source and demand to be spoon fed. Again this puts a lot of stress on the knowledgeable person and can lead to them creating a resentment to answering such questions if too much is demanded. It is good to question, but don't expect people to answer. Everyone has a life full of demands and needs try to be aware of what extra weight your are shifting on them. | ||
Alagna Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2011 |
Hi Mahigitam, I did try to answer you with my next post to Jacob. Please look at my post #12 on the previous page. The material consciousness (I/Ego) is creating the sensation of “I am’ness’” in my opinion. The self is a hypothetical construct; Uehlinger’s article never suggests that it is not. I am sorry if I gave you a wrong impression. It is a very demanding article and I am still trying to get my head wrapped around what is being said. The Self is recognized to represent what is ultimately real about the human being, the spiritual side – and this too is a path as well as spiritform. However, for most earth scientists this is just a theory. So in the mainstream view, spirituality is (only) a hypothetical construct. But we know, from Figu, that spiritual evolution is far more real than anything material. So for lack of a better way of putting it, the Self is both a construct and an (real) object. Best regards, Anthony | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 726 Registered: 01-2004 |
In this post when spoken about the consciousness, solely the material consciousness and all its forms are meant, unless explicitly specified otherwise. The personality is equal to the personality, in which the Ego is embedded. In this case we have to see the consciousness as the first part, the personality is the second part. The consciousness itself is the overall block in which all ideas, thoughts, psychic impressions, emotions, feelings, spiritual impressions, memories, wishes, hopes, peace, freedom, harmony and love, etc., etc., etc. However the radius in which this all can manifest at the same time is very limited. It’s called the ‘narrowness of the consciousness’. This radius is smaller in children then in adults, however the developmental level and health of the consciousness are major factors in this. The second part, the personality is the factor, which comes from the self-awareness of the consciousness, which means that he is aware of himself who has lived in the past, in the present and lives willingly and knowingly acting to shape his future. The Ego, while embedded in the personality/consciousness is the acute “my being here”, “I am”. The Ego is in its nature absolutely neutral, neither good or bad, since these mentioned factors belong to the consciousness, the Ego receives those influences via the unconscious. The Ego is in constant connection with the consciousness, and it’s the consciousness, which gives the Ego guidelines which make it a representative of the consciousness. The consciousness is named the ‘higher self’ in this case because it forms the basis, existence for the Ego, while the Ego is the ‘lower/empirical self’ The Ego dissolves in the afterlife, so only the personality and consciousness-centre remains to process all what is still to be processed, to store the results in the storage-banks, after which they dissolve too into neutral overall-consciousness-block energy. Here is a basic schematic:  This can be found in BEAMs book: Wiedergeburt. Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer on pages 146 and 147, and much more about this topic (Message edited by jacob on August 03, 2011) Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 02-2009 |
Sehr Danke Jacob, I will go through the entire thing and will get back to you if i find something unclear. p.s: If there are any schematics like the one above, please kindly post them. They will help alot. Even as those who appreciate beauty are artists in a degree, so also those who recognize the prophets are prophets of a kind - S.Radhakrishnan | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2168 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but something occurred to me regarding the spirit form. At the point of death, how does the spirit form know the body is not functioning? Since the spirit gives life to the body and the body cannot exist without the spirit, at what point is it known it is time for the spirit to leave? Even when a person is in a coma, and there is no conscious response, the spirit still resides within the brain. Any comments? Regards Scott | ||
Jokoveltman Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2009 |
Scott, My thought is that the spirit-form does not "know" to leave. Rather, the connection simply ends. As an analogy, imagine an electromagnet and an iron nail. The magnetic field of the electromagnet moves the nail toward itself when the current is on. If the current is turned off, the field "dies", and the nail doesn't "know" it. It just stops moving, because the force moving it toward the electromagnet has ceased. In the same way, when the body dies, the bond between it and the spirit disappears, and the spirit moves off. Just the first thought that came to mind. Perhaps I am mistaken. Salome, Timothy | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 609 Registered: 06-2009 |
If I am not mistaken, somewhere I have read (German forum maybe) that the consciousness block leaves the body first and joins the total consciousness block. By a feedback mechanism between the total consciousness block and the spirit form, the spirit knows that it is time to reach the other side. Would be great if someone could confirm. “When we listen to a song we feel a yearning for the universal life vibration which exists in the vastness of the Creation. Through this, our consciousness bridges the barriers of place and time and discover our nervous life-force within infinity.” - Tagore, on the significance of rhythm. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 07-2006 |
Scott, Check this link to a post describing the re-incarnation process. It may have your answer. Reincarnation process -PatM | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 616 Registered: 06-2006 |
As a follow on to what Tim said, cell function is a biochemical process that produces and uses energy. Once these cells die, which is happening constantly, if new ones are not being made to replace them at a similar pace, then those organs which are made up of those cells, will have their functions compromised. Vital organs are those which our organism requires to continue to function to maintain homoeostasis within the body, including the brain function which ultimately runs the show. Once too many of these cells stop functioning or die faster than being replaced for a variety of reasons, then the function that the organ has will begin to affect other vital and nonvital organs, then systems will begin to shut down. The spiritform can only 'enliven' cells that are functioning adequately. Its animating qualities cannot be received by a cell that is not functioning adequately. This is my thought on the subject. A cell is in fact like a small engine, each cell having the internal apparatus to function as such. Everyone knows how even if the battery is at full charge, if a part of the motor stops working, no amount of battery power will fix it and that part of the motor cannot use the power of the battery. Salome Robyn Rules & Netiquette http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=instructions#rules | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings, Perhaps a look into more articles re: "silver tread", will give us some insights. It maybe wrong and may not be part of the Billy materials but, I guess if it is tread-like then the moment it is cut the connection ceases. the question why and how it is cut is beyond me. Jun My will be done | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2172 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, My understanding is, if a spirit form is too old to reincarnate on a planet, it will either wait for the planet to catch up to its "level", or it will migrate to another planet which matches its evolution. As I understand it, there are spirit forms which exist on this planet, which are several billion years old. Since this is the case, why are these spirit forms "allowed" to reincarnate even though their knowledge and power has been reduced? Perhaps "allowed" is not the correct term, but there are spirit forms which under normal circumstances would not be reincarnating on this planet at its current level. Any comments Thanks Scott | ||
Alagna Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2011 |
Hi Scott, I think it is mostly the overpopulation problem on this planet that is allowing 'everything' to be cycled and probably forcing too many young and old spirit forms to be incarnated now. Also, I think religion is responsible for keeping many incarnated spirits down and enslaved in nonsense and non-value. So an incarnated older spirit's knowledge has not been "reduced." They are on the wrong path of their own free will, just like the younger spirits. Best regards, Anthony | ||
Aburns87 Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 05-2008 |
I thought they were still fixed to the planet but they incarnate in a material body similar to the evolution of the planet... (not having full access to abilities they might have if on a more advanced planet) If they were able to leave all the spirit forms in the billions of years would be long gone... although I might be wrong | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2181 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.... We do have to keep in mind, that these Mature Spirit-forms Aide and Assist the Humans of Earth. I think, they have more....The Credentials...to, it be Voluntarily, to fulfill the tasks to help the Evolution of the humans of the planet; not just Earth. I would think that the AA and the Petale, would agree to 'assign' certain Highly Evolved Spirit-forms to incarnate where is needed, even here on Earth, as our situation is getting much worse: Overpopulation, Pollution, Third World War...lurking above our heads, etc.... It would be more of a Creational Logical decision making....than it being called: Allowed. "Consequence", would be more in it's place. And where there is a Cause....there is an Effect, as you know. Thus, what is done: is Based on Pure (Creational) Logic.... Edward. | ||
Andres82 Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2011 |
Dear Scott, I do not believe that the spirits "knowledge and power has been reduced." However, If I am wrong, please provide a source to show me how. I also do not believe that Eduard serves as an example because he was transformed from non course matter to course matter. This did reverse or degenerate his knowledge, wisdom power.. So therefore as for spirits still within the course matter realm, I do not believe that this applies. As for Spirit Forms migrating.. I have only understood that a spirit must stay fixed to a planet with life until its time arises and that it cannot move to one of which matches its own. And, Edward, I believe your are most correct. It will arise spontaneously, without them knowing at times, the urge in some people of whom their spirit is highly evolved to help humanity on earth and beyond. My Best Regards to you Both, Salome Andres Lyrian in Spirit and Wisdom | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2174 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I should clarify, that when I said migrates, I meant if the planet becomes uninhabitable for human life. I think from what I have learned, there are people alive now whom have much older spirits than the current earth human. Because of this, their spirit forms have been "capped" or "throttled back", because otherwise they would not be able to live on earth under normal circumstances. Without naming names, I have been told this by people, whom were told this by Billy. Its not a big deal either way, because we are all heading in the same direction  | ||
Andres82 Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 08-2011 |
Scott, Yes, I understand that if the planet becomes uninhabitable such would occur. I find this difficult to understand. If a spirit form comes in at the right time of evolution of the planets people then why would their powers, knowledge and wisdom be reduced? Or is it that the spirit form depending on its evolution comes in at an average percentage? Where can I do my own research? Lyrian Spirit | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2175 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Andres82, I think it has to do with some of the problems which were created by some of these "Fallen Angels" in the past. Because of this, some of these older spirit forms agreed to come back and help repair some of the damages from long ago. This was the reason for the codex, which is no longer in effect. If I remember correctly, some of this information can be found in the following publication http://us.figu.org/portal/products/tabid/88/categoryid/2/productid/9/pageindex/3/default.aspx Regards Scott |
