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    Edward Member Post Number: 2226 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jacob.... Of course, they function in (Creational) Duality with each another or whatever the case may (as a WHOLE within the OCB); just referring to 'separate' (blocks) as in Components, as I understood it to be. Edward. | |||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 745 Registered: 01-2004 |
They function as a unity, not a duality in the human being. In a human being living his/her acute life is a unity of of both the spirit (+) and the OCB powering the material consciousness-forms (-) and Psyche, when this unity is broken, the human no longer exists, its just a corpse. The spirit with its Gemuet and the body with the psyche/OCB are a unity in themselves, effectively making the human a HYPERUNIT. The OCB encompasses all functions of the material consciousness, the personality, the Ego, the Psyche, the unconscious, sub-consciounsess, central-consciousness, censor, all levels of awareness existent in the material consciousness (wake, sleep, meditative state, hypnotic state, etc). The OCB is similar to a computer operating system, it contains many functions to access the hard-disk, graphics card, keyboard, mouse, it executes application programs. Without the underlying operating system, all these functions (as a rule of thumb) cant be executed. Without these functions (or improper operating functions) the underlying operating system is limited in its productivity. This would be analogous to a damaged material consciousness of a human, who is in a coma for example, the human is alive, but stagnant in his/her evolution. (Message edited by jacob on October 10, 2011) Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 2228 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jacob.... Creational Duality, as far as I can see would indeed or can be defined as a Unit(y), due to them working together as components; Jmmanuel even mentioned if three were mentioned One would know...it was still associated to Creational Duality. Further, I am familiar with your comparisons; that is nothing new to me. Edward. | |||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 746 Registered: 01-2004 |
Chapter 34, Third edition Talmud Jmmanuel 39. "Since the spirit in a person is part of Creation, it is one with Creation; consequently it is not two. 40. "And since the body is a part of the spirit in a different form and matter, it is therefore one with the spirit; consequently it is not two. 41. "The teachings state that there is a unity and not, in any way or form, a duality or trinity. 42. "If it appears to people that there is a duality or trinity, then they are the victims of deception, for they do not think logically but according to human knowledge. 43. "But if they think according to the knowledge of the spirit, they find the logic, which is also in the law. 44. "Only human thinking can be incorrect, not the laws of Creation. German version: Erklärung: Es gibt keine Dualität (Zweiheit) und keine Trinität (Dreiheit), denn wenn zwei oder drei Dinge zusammengehören, dann bilden sie eine Einheit. 266 Talmud Jmmanuel, Das 34. Kapitel Separate Dinge bilden immer eine Einzelsache und damit auch eine eigene Einheit. Wenn jedoch zwei oder drei Dinge zu einem Ganzen zusammengehören, dann entsprechen sie nicht einer Zweiheit oder Dreiheit, sondern einer Einheit, die nur mit allen zwei oder drei Teilen zusammen funktionieren kann. Als Beispiel diene auch das Ehebündnis, bei dem ein Weib und ein Mann je als eigener Faktor gelten und nicht als Zweiheit, sondern als Einheit. Und wenn durch diese Einheit ein Zusammenschluss in Form einer Begattung erfolgt, dann entsteht aus dieser Einheit resp. Vereinigung ein dritter Faktor, eine Nachkommenschaft, die auch wieder eine eigene Einheit bildet, jedoch im Zusammenschluss mit Vater und Mutter wiederum eine Einheit bildet, so eben die Familie. Maybe this will refresh your memory Edward. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 2230 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jacob.... I understand that, what is written. I think Jmmaunel mentioned - CREATIONAL Duality -, and just not 'Duality Duality' within Man's own thinking processing. Creational Duality...being as I mentioned: being a Unity in itself, it would still apply to the mentioned still within the framework of a Unity. Jmmanuel, mentioned this 'when a Wiseman says' or something, the above mentioned would be what he means: CREATIONAL Duality(; being ONE, Together). The Male(+) and Female(-) are also a (Creational) Duality, and are bond in Unity(/Eenheid). Even if, you have 10 soldiers...they would form a Unit(/Eenheid) and all together they form a Unity(/Eenheid) in companionship. Thus, - CREATIONAL Duality - IS mentioned; which is associated with CREATIONAL UNITY. And, in a CREATIONAL DUALITY...in a pair...the one can not live/exist without the other(, in most cases), and thus, form a CREATIONAL Duality: UNITY. Jmmanuel made the Distinction between the two concerning, as I can recall, and could make out of it. The Trinity was associated with the Cult Religion: God, His Son and the Holy Ghost if I remember it correctly; which is obviously wrong; most of us know this. Read further Chapter 34, 51 and down, than you know what I am referring to? I can still not find Jmmanuel's extensive conversation or whatever it was called. I did come across it in the past, where Jmmanuel clears up many items, in detail. Edward. | |||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 747 Registered: 01-2004 |
41. "The teaching states that there is a unity and not, in any way or form, a duality or trinity. Erklärung: Es gibt keine Dualität (Zweiheit) und keine Trinität (Dreiheit), denn wenn zwei oder drei Dinge zusammengehören, dann bilden sie eine Einheit. 266 Talmud Jmmanuel, Das 34. Kapitel Separate Dinge bilden immer eine Einzelsache und damit auch eine eigene Einheit. Wenn jedoch zwei oder drei Dinge zu einem Ganzen zusammengehören, dann entsprechen sie nicht einer Zweiheit oder Dreiheit, sondern einer Einheit, die nur mit allen zwei oder drei Teilen zusammen funktionieren kann. Als Beispiel diene auch das Ehebündnis, bei dem ein Weib und ein Mann je als eigener Faktor gelten und nicht als Zweiheit, sondern als Einheit. Und wenn durch diese Einheit ein Zusammenschluss in Form einer Begattung erfolgt, dann entsteht aus dieser Einheit resp. Vereinigung ein dritter Faktor, eine Nachkommenschaft, die auch wieder eine eigene Einheit bildet, jedoch im Zusammenschluss mit Vater und Mutter wiederum eine Einheit bildet, so eben die Familie. explanation: There is no duality (duality) and no Trinity (Trinity), because if two or three things go together, they form a unit. 266 Talmud Immanuel, The 34th chapter Separate things are always an individual matter and therefore a separate entity. However, if two or three things go together into a whole, they do not correspond to a duality or trinity, but a unit that can function with only two or all three parts together. As an example consider the marriage alliance also apply where a woman and a man each as a separate factor and not as a duality, but as a unit. And if this unit is done by an association in the form of a mating, then comes out of this unit, respectively. Association, a third factor, a posterity, which also forms a separate unit again, but in association with his father and mother in turn is a unit, just the family. How stubborn can you be? (Message edited by jacob on October 11, 2011) Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 2231 Registered: 05-2002 |
Jacob.... HOW Stubborn can YOU be! Do not jump to conclusions, Jacob. Just read 51 and down. THINK for YOURSELF. Like Christian once said, in the sense: that people here seem to tend to forget the - OTHER aspects - outside the FIGU materials; I would think due to their LACK of THINKING and Analysing for themselves and seeking further; excellent comment of Christian. This was even discussed here, in the past. If you read 51...than you will know what I mean? May have not interpreted it the same but that is the idea. Take heed, that there are may ways to interpret something...but only said Differently; Billy said something in the sense. Edward. | |||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 748 Registered: 01-2004 |
The spirit teaching is in this regard very clear and there is virtually no room for misinterpretation. On this planet it is still way too common that certain meanings/words/concepts are misinterpreted and misunderstood. I don't jump to conclusions, I reflect literally what it states in the spirit teaching, without personal additions. The FIGU materials are in fact the Spirit teaching, the teaching of the Creation, life and evolution, which can be proven logically by anyone at any time providing they think logically and of course to the level of understanding. I think I have proven many times on the forum that I can think and analyze for myself and understand the spirit teaching to a point, of course I am very aware the learning process never ends. I stand by my thinking and suggest we agree to disagree. Jacob Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Rarena Member Post Number: 708 Registered: 10-2005 |
Either way... consider all as one:
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Jacob Moderator Post Number: 749 Registered: 01-2004 |
Exactly all is one, there is no truly absolute separate entity of any kind within the Creation or even the BEING-Absolutum. Even the most remote solar system in the material universe-belt is absolutely part of the Creation. If people start thinking in the principle of oneness and not in duality or trinity or any even apparent separate way then they will truly understand that everything they think, feel or do WILL affect everything around them. If one thinks in oneness, as the other being a part of ones being, then one would think twice before doing something illogical, because it affects ALL. Its one of the aspects of universal love. (Message edited by jacob on October 11, 2011) Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 2237 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jacob.... But still....Thank You, for your input. I do not mind exchanging thoughts/ material. Always gracefully appreciate; please do not get me wrong, ok. To content our Psyches: I will not mention Creational Duality no more, ok? Edward. | |||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 751 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Edward, All we can do is learn from each other. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 433 Registered: 02-2009 |
CR 153 Quetzal & Billy talks about Pysche balancing for females(Bernadette problem). Is it self-stimulation ? Beware the fallacies into which undisciplined thinkers most easily fall--they are the real distorting prisms of human nature - Francis Bacon | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 2240 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mahigitam.... Is it self-stimulation? One's SELF is the/a main factor, I would think. It is up to every individual's SELF. A Material Factor, which is related to our Material Consciousness(/Brain). However we Control it, is just up to every individuals him/her-SELF. Can thus be, a Consciousness Stimulation, I would think(; Strive/work towards it...). To achieve Balance we have to achieve the state of Equilibrium - Neutral Positivity; which is for One to process within him/her-SELF and, implement. Thus, One should Consciously work One's SELF in that Direction...which is SELF-stimulation: implemented by the individual him/her-SELF. Edward. | |||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2011 |
Howdy Edward, As well, externalities are used to balance internalities. This is the reason there is not just one universe for one person. Thus is implicated the need for balance among the disparate sexes. We need each other to provide a different perspective than our own. We learn from each other's perspectives; developing insight and wisdom, even when learning about selfness, is never a lone path. Life | |||
Cpl Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Michael, Could you clarify what you mean by "...there is not just one universe for one person"? Christian has said Billy says (in your Qs to Billy thread) words to the effect that there is only one version of each person at any one time. This is because each person has only one spirit and the individual spirit doesn't split into many fragments creating the "many yous" proposed in quantum physics' Many-worlds interpretation (MWI). I have just written, before reading Christian's reply from Billy, a 37 page article on this and the theme of timelines where I take the MWI to task. It bears the rather unwieldy title "On Implausible MWI Timelines, the Universal Wavefunction and LERM; a Possible Time-Shifted Dimension; and Prophecies and Predictions of Events in Time." For obvious reasons it might be better to refer to it generally as "MWI & timelines." It wasn't actually written for people here, but to other friends who seemed in need of certain explanations, and also as a kind of open letter to MWI quantum physicists. If you or anyone here would like a copy to peruse I can send it to you, or anyone, if you inform me at gbcyd@yahoo.com of your email address. It is a pdf of over 1Mb, is not copyrighted and can be freely shared as long as it is kept whole as is. It does contain some of Billy's material which I cite and give him credit for, but much is related to other sources too. Best, Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 2248 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Micahelhelfert.... Welcome to the FIGU board. Yes: Confrontation---> Consequence(s) = Cause and Effect.[Which speaks for itself....] Plan old Creational Law. Randomly, even: the Domino Effect; be for the better or for the worse; HOW, the individual(s) cope with the situation, or whatever the case may be. Edward. | |||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 09-2011 |
Chris, thanks for catching that. I can see now how the sentence could be confusing. I was commenting that we are never alone, not even in the rhetorical sense. That said, your comments do make me wonder where to draw the line between a personal universe/perspective and a mutual universe/perspective. Such delineations don't seem so definite to me, somehow. Yes, I used to wonder about the MWI from the quantum physics standpoint, but discounted it when perusing the Meier material. I would certainly enjoy reading your paper. Life | |||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 627 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Jacob, Concerning your post 749 .... a quote: "Even the most remote solar system in the material universe-belt is absolutely part of the Creation. If people start thinking in the principle of oneness and not in duality or trinity or any even apparent separate way then they will truly understand that everything they think, feel or do WILL affect everything around them. If one thinks in oneness, as the other being a part of ones being, then one would think twice before doing something illogical, because it affects ALL. Its one of the aspects of universal love." So what about those krill characters in another dimension who I think Ptaah mentioned as being rather nasty sorts that the P avoid ? Is that area a universal reform school .... why do these entities exist ? Feelgood lets hug a tree universal love concepts are fine till you meet one of those sort of krill whatever they are on a dark street and I wonder if they are in a state of gradual evolution like everything else or cordoned off in their own space due to some other reason .... were they always malevolent & nasty or did they have leaders in the past similar to some of our own less than illustrious examples of how not to run things that led them astray ? Were these once humans who devolved or are they aspiring humans who eventually will evolve ? Such things are thrown in as thought provokers .... it's a big universe full of seemingly intangible mysteries and paradoxes and apparently quite nasty types not averse to ransacking the belongings of wanderers who stray into their territory. At our level maybe we're not smart enough to fully comprehend the logic but at least we can ask questions ..... Cheers. | |||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 755 Registered: 01-2004 |
I dont know much more about the Skrill then you do, and they are certainly not the best around. However, if you look what the Earth human is capable of, on a much larger scale then any known Skrill attack on this planet. The Earth human has committed rape, murder, executed his/her fellowman/woman with axes, gallows, electricity, hanged them, drowned them, stoned them, put them in a brazen bull, put them on a cross with rusty nails, suffocated them, robbed them, waterboarded them...the list goes on. Universal love is not universal tree hugging, its the absolute knowledge and "Empfindung" of being one with everything, in the absolute balance between positive and negative. To have universal love also means following the natural-creative laws and recommendations to keep the universal balance and harmony, even if it includes acts of logical violence to restore universal harmony and balance. Do you know that evolution goes very far, even when it leads to self-destruction. If the people on Earth could not create a lasting peace in wisdom and they would destroy themselves, the Plejarens would NOT interfere, because evolution must be followed and interfering with evolution like that would be fully against the natural creative laws. Jmmanuel already said it with similar words to this (from memory, cant access the Talmud Jmmanuel right now) "If a limb gives you problems, get rid of it before it infects your whole body." The same principle applies to an barbaric planet like the Earth. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Teesoft Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 01-2011 |
Hi every one Firstly the question am about to ask i know it has been disscussed here in the past but i was unable to make out the meaning of the word SKRILL i utilize the search engine but after reading it was always an aguement with someone which is making it complicated for me.....so please anyone who can explain who the Skrill are? Thx Salome, Tosin. | |||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 772 Registered: 01-2004 |
The Spirit, the Spiritform is an immortal factor in BEING of the Creation, so it can switch from one level to the next, so from the beyond into the material realm, which is called reincarnation, the other switch from the material realm to the beyond is called dying, death. The actual process is called in the Geisteslehre (spirit-teaching) transformation. The human Spiritform, which is the part of Creation-spirit in the human, is in the pre-birth phase (before it enters a human body for the very first time) a spirit-energy concentration, which exists time-less (not affected by space-time in the material sense), without knowledge and wisdom, created since primordial times by the Creation. When this spirit-energy concentration enters a human for the very first time, the natural-creative law comes in to effect that every part needs a counterpart. It creates the overall-consciousness-block, which is the negative pole (and a neutral unity in itself) and functions to enliven the material human body, whereby this spirit-energy concentration is the positive pole. The reincarnation cycle has begun and slowly over countless reincarnations the Spiritform is gathering wisdom and power. This exact event is the coming to existence of the human spirit as new-spirit, and the start of its evolution in the material, consciousness-related and the spiritual which will last for about 420 billion years until re-emerging with the Creation as part of the universal-empfindungs-consciousness. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Teesoft Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 01-2011 |
Hi Jacob i know clearly you know much more about the spiritual teachings than i do but just wondering where you got the 420billion years calculation from....On the one hand it answered my long question of how long it takes from AA to PETALE and from there to reunification/Re-merging back with creation on the other hand i have never come across this information so far though i still clearly have alot to learn, i am curious.... Please dont get me wrong i am not saying you are wrong just will like to learn more about this so thats why i am asking you to state your source for this. Thanks in ad. Salome, Tosin. |
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