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Cpl
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Post Number: 585
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 04:16 am: | 
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I had previously only read about half of that from Billy. I have often wondered if that last paragraph (which is new for me) were so, about people only able to access others' past lives (very occasionally) not their own. Good to hear Billy's words on it.
Thank you Jacob.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Jacob
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Post Number: 782
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 04:33 am: |
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The thing about past life memories is that those memories can be very dangerous in a sense that you can regain memories of very bad things which have happened in past lives, those memories are not just visual images, but also impressions, sounds, smells, feelings, emotions, etc. etc. etc.
Imagine a past life memory revealing the death of a loved one, or if a former personality has committed a heinous crime, etc.
How could one cope with that, in this life in ones current personality?
A very strong and neutral stance of the material consciousness/personality will be required to absolutely know that these past-life memories are just that, past-life memories and that these memories will not interfere with the current personality.
Past life memories when accessed too soon can have devastating effects on a unfit personality, cause psychosis and split-personality disorders in worst-case scenarios.
If a human can't cope with his/her CURRENT and ACUTE life, how could he/she even deal with past life memories?
I think these are important questions to ask oneself.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 469
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 04:38 am: |
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Hi Jacob,
Agreed and think of the other side of the equation too. What if we are suddenly recalling the great loves of our past lives, wives, husbands, children, lovers, etc. for whom we may then suddenly have great longings and overwhelming emotions that we also couldn't cope with?
We could get lost in idealizing the past, in comparing current people in our lives to past loved ones, all sorts of completely unmanageable things would occur for most of us, who are doing the best we can to cope and sort out the issues of this life. |
Sarah
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 05:46 am: |
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So If I'm getting the jist correctly, basically it sounds like the storage banks, are like a libruary of each and every persons memory's. All they ever felt guilty for, all their actions.
So now when you die, and its decided where you go, the whole saint peter may well be symbolic and not literal then.
Sarah: How did I behave?
???: Well lets see what the storage banks say. Oh god no.
Sarah: What?
???: Well I'm sorry sarah, looks like you'll need to be reborn as yourself again. I'm so sorry.
Nah I'm kidding, move to the next life. Next!
My interpretation could be totally off base though. |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 06:39 am: |
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I believe that few if any of us right now can even grasp on to one lifetime let alone successfully meld all the others into one tangible mold with out losing grasp of reality. Life's chess board was not originally set up to work that way. Only in the reflection time that we are allotted between lifetimes truly gives us the safety and ease in a protected environment to check and reassess those so called trials and errors and apply the required information to the whole prior to returning back into the arena of life with a so called clean slate! Otherwise a psychosis will occur impairing the spirit down another path not originally chosen to fulfill!
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Edward
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Post Number: 2274
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 07:23 am: |
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Hi Michael and Jacob....
What was further viewed and focused on in the docs I watched was that the
children became very close friends or, family, if you want to express it that
way, and have regular associations with each other. Happy they are, though.
Time can only tell what effect it will further have on the child, of course.
The Palestinian children, were ones who were killed by Israeli soldiers. They
knew where and who killed them. And some feel they have a task which has to
be fulfilled...which is I guess, perhaps, retaliating what was done to their
previous body (and de suppression of the Palestinian people), being killed by
the Israeli soldiers.
Here we have TWO different Effect scenarios, on the children. Indeed, the
Palestinian children seem to have unfinished business which still has to be
attended to...in contrary to the Indian children.
The docs gave very good insight, of the both examples, and others.
Edward. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 470
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 12:12 pm: |
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I don't think it works this way, "Only in the reflection time that we are allotted between lifetimes truly gives us the safety and ease in a protected environment to check and reassess those so called trials and errors and apply, etc.", as there is no conscious "we" hanging out to "reassess" and "apply", etc/ |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 39
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 12:34 pm: |
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Think of it in layers of an onion. Everything is not completely gone at the beginning of death. There are fazes of dis-attachment that must be gone through to complete the process of total death and release.
I admit Ego is gone as you say but layers must be peeled away so that spirit is only remaining in the total assessment process!
Each layer is abetted its own time for release before the meld is to complete and be shared with the appropriate Data Banks.
But yes I do agree with you but realize this that Billy himself admits that he is not drawn to the in between times that are there during the spirits phase change! For the P's place a greater reliance on the here and now and not the hereafter!
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Patm
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Post Number: 119
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 02:15 pm: |
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Following is an explanation of what should be understood about the storage banks from the Talmud Jmmanuel (2011 Version)
Explanations (Erklärungen) pages LVII - LVIII
My unauthorized/unapproved translation in blue.
Speicherbänke
Was muss unter Speicherbänke verstanden werden?
Bei den Speicherbänken handelt es sich um Faktoren dessen, dass planetarisch in diesen alles registriert wird, folglich alles an Gedanken, Gefühlen, Emotionen und sonstigen Regungen des Menschen, wie aber auch dessen Handlungen und Taten, dessen Gesinnung, Laster, Süchte, Gewohnheiten, Leidenschaften, Furcht und Ängste, Hoffnungen, Wünsche und Bewegungen usw. sowie alle gesprochenen, gedachten oder gesungenen Worte und restlos alle Dinge und alles, was der Mensch auch immer in positiver und negativer Form unternimmt, lernt, an Liebe, Wissen und Weisheit erschafft usw. in den Speicherbänken impulsmässig abgelagert resp. gespeichert wird.
Storage Banks
What must be understood about storage banks?
In the storage banks are factors which by these are, that everything planetary is recorded into these, Consequently, all the thoughts, feelings, emotions and other stirrings of humans, as also his actions and deeds, whose opinions, vices, addictions, habits, passions, fear and anxieties, hopes, wishes and movements, etc. as well as all spoken, imaginary or sung words and entirely all things and all which the human whatsoever in a positive or negative form undertakes, learns, loves, knows and wisdom creates, etc. moderate impulses in the storage banks deposited, respectively, will be stored.
Die in den Speicherbänken abgelagerten Impulse eines Menschen können sowohl bewusst als auch unbewusst sowie unterbewusst vom Menschen oder von seiner nächstfolgenden Persönlichkeit und wiederum von deren nächster Persönlichkeit usw. 'abgezogen' resp. abgerufen und als Wissen zur weiteren Bewusstseinsevolution genutzt werden. Die Regel ist jedoch ein unbewusstes und unterbewusstes Abziehen der alten Impulse aus den Speicherbänken, wobei die Impulse dann als Ahnung oder als 'erster Gedanke' ins Bewusstsein dringen. Durch diese Möglichkeit ist es gegeben, dass der Mensch vom Wissen, der Liebe und von der Weisheit seiner vorangegangenen Persönlichkeit des ietzten Lebens oder mehrerer vorangegangener Leben wertvolle Impulse in mancherlei Hinsicht nutzen kann. Je nach Bewusstseinszustand des Menschen vermag er dadurch natürlich auch Impulse negativer Form abzuziehen und diese dann in ebenfalls negativer Form zu nutzen.
In the storage banks deposited impulses a human can both consciously and unconsciously, as well as subconsciously by humans or from their next following personality and again from their next personality, etc. 'withdraw', respectively, retrieve and can be used as knowledge for further evolution of consciousness. The rule is an unconscious and subconscious withdraws the old impulses from the storage banks, whereby the impulses then as a clue or as 'first thought' penetrate into the consciousness. By this way it is given that the human from the knowledge, love and from the wisdom their previous personality of the now life or several preceding lives valuable impulses can be used in many ways. Depending on his state of consciousness, the human can therefore naturally also withdraw negative impulse forms and then also use in a negative form.
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Hat der Mensch einen genügend hohen evolutiven Bewusstseins-grad erreicht, dann vermag er aus den Speicherbänken seiner eigenen Persönlichkeitslinie ebenso gewünschte Informationen abzurufen wie auch allgemein wissensmässige Informationen. Bei genügend Fähigkeiten und dem notwendigen Wissen können solche Informationen in bezug auf eigene fruhere Persönlichkeiten auch durch einen hypnotischen Zustand abgerufen werden.
Man has achieved a sufficient degree of high level evolutionary consciousness, then he can retrieve from the storage banks their own personality line information equally desired as well retrieve regular general Information. With enough skills and the necessary knowledge to be retrieved by a hypnotic state such information with respect to their own In earlier times personalities.
Die sogenannten 'Rückführungen in frühere Leben' werden ieider in der Regel von gewissen Scharlatanen usw. betrieben, indem sie die ihnen gläubigen Menschen unter Hypnose setzen und diese dann irgendwelche irre 'Rückerinnerungen' haben, die nicht der Wahrheit früherer Leben entsprechen. Die Hypnotisierten in bezug auf 'Rückerinnerungen' phantasieren in der Regel nur irgendwelche eigene 'Erinnerungen' oder die anderer Menschen zusammen oder wiedergeben 'Rückerinnerungen', die auf Dingen beruhen, die sie gelesen, gesehen, gehört oder im gegenwärtigen Leben erlebt haben usw. Dieses scharlatanmässige Hypnotisieren und 'Rückerinnerungen Hervorrufen' geschieht normalerweise darum, weil die Hypnotiseure nicht über genügend Fähigkeiten verfügen, um die Hypnotisierten in einen Trancezustand zu versetzen, durch den diese aus ihren eigenen Speicherbänken Informationen abrufen können.
The so-called 'past-life regressions' sufferings be usually operated from some charlatans, etc., by those people of faith put in hypnosis and then have some crazy 'recollections', not conforming to the truth of past lives. The hypnotized person in respect in 'recollections' fantasize as a rule just some of their own 'memories' or the other humans composed or play 'recollections' based on things that which they read, seen, have heard or experienced in the present life, etc. This regular charlatan hypnotize and 'recollections evoking' happens typically involves because the hypnotists does not have sufficient skills to enable the hypnotized into a trance, through this they could retrieve information from their own storage banks.
Bei genügend Fähigkeiten und dem notwendigen Können und Wissen können solche Informationen in bezug auf eigene frühere Persönlichkeiten auch durch einen meditativen Zustand abgerufen werden, wie es aber auch durch Hypnose möglich ist, wenn eine wirkliche Fachkraft hinsichtlich hypnotischer Fähigkeiten gegeben ist.
With enough capabilities and the necessary skills and knowledge, such information can in relation to its own previous personalities through a meditative condition will be called as possible but also through hypnosis, if a real Professional terms hypnotic capabilities is given.
Fauna und Flora haben auch Speicherbänke, aber auf einer ganz anderen Basis, die nichts mit einem bewussten Bewusstsein zu tun haben, sondern für die Flora ist das Impulsbewusstsein und für die Fauna das Instinktbewusstsein gegeben. Folglich haben auch diese Formen ihre Speicherbänke, weil auch diese Lebensformen durch Geistenergien und Geistformen ihre Existenz begründen, wie alles und jedes, das in irgendeiner Form aktuell lebendig existiert. Davon ausgeschlossen sind jene Formen, die nicht im Sinn einer aktuellen Lebendigkeit stehen, wie feste oder gasformige Materie, wie Fels und Gestein sowie Gase usw. usf. Die feste und gasförmige Materie verfügt nur über ein Energiebewusstsein, das aus geistig-schöpferischer Energie hervorgeht und nur im Gürtel des Materiell-Universums als schöpferische Gesetzmässigkeit gespeichert ist und folglich nicht einfach planetarisch, sondern gesamtuniversell wirksam ist und feste sowie gasförmige Materie hervorbringt.
Mensch = Bewusstes Bewusstsein
Materie = Energiebewusstsein
Pflanzen = Impulsbewusstsein
Fauna = Instinktbewusstsein
Fauna and flora have storage banks, but on a different basis, that have nothing to do with a conscious consciousness, but rather for the flora the impulse-consciousness, and for the fauna the instinct consciousness is given. Consequently, these forms have their storage banks, because through these life forms spirit energies justify their existence and spirit forms, like everything and anything, The currently alive in some form exists. It excludes those forms, not in the sense of aliveness are current, such as solid or gaseous matter, as rock and stone as well as gases, etc., etc. The solid and gaseous matter has only an energy consciousness, that arises from intellectual-creative energy and just in the belt of the Material universe as creational Lawfulness is stored and therefore is not simply planetary, but rather total universal effective is and produces solid as well as gaseous matter.
Human = conscious consciousness
Matter = energy consciousness
Plants = Impulse consciousness
Fauna = instinct consciousness
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 206
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 03:33 pm: |
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Just imagine being a big stud of a man and then remembering a life as a wife and mother, or the reverse for a woman! That would take some maturity....
Peace, Matt
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Edward
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Post Number: 2275
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| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2011 - 12:14 am: |
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Hi Patm...
Am familiar with your posting.
Yes, of course, when we speak of a Regression Hypnotist, we do not mean the
mentioned NEW AGE kinda...Charlatan Hypnotherapist, which are 'crooked' as can
be. I have been to many New Age events in the past and have seen these
'instant' (so-called) Regression Hypnotherapist at work. Telling the Gullible
of their past lives within 20-30 minutes! Crazy, no?
These are no Skillful Hypnotists, as mentioned in the FIGU Materials. They are
just...on the bandwagon with the NEW Age...'trend'.
But, I know a a couple of very Skillful Hypnotherapists whom helped out the
police in finding criminals and with excellent results. Which only concerns
todays life events, of course; have not any knowledge if they ever conducted
Past Life Regressions, though. Someone did tell me they could but, I can not
judge to that. Perhaps, they could do excellent work in The NOW, and...fail in
the Past/Previous Life Regressions? As mentioned, in the FIGU Material: not,
Skilful enough...
Past/Previous Life retrieving is indeed 'another ball game', yes...
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2276
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 11:21 pm: |
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Hi Matt...
It is mentioned in the FIGU Materials...that a child can....have Previous Life
recollections, to about their 5th year, and than, depending on the child...I
would like to add, HOW they cope with it. The experience 'influencing' their
present life or it dissolving in the majority of cases. Thus, this does become
an individual matter for each individual.
Thus, the docs I watched DO apply to the FIGU Materials...and can Confirm the
possibilities.
Thus, those out there with children under the age of 5 years old should
observe their child. And, not be surprised if they say things which can be
related to his/her previous life time.
Edward. |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 448
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 04:39 am: |
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"But just as it closes immediately short, if still unprocessed, dangerous goods to be transferred from the material consciousness into the subconscious material. If a hypnotist comes and wants to hypnotize a person and wants to access past life memories, then this security factor will short-circuit and prevent any transmission of personal data from the material-subconscious. A very interesting phenomenon appears, the material subconsciousness of the hypnotized person one taps into the material subconscious of another person, connects with this person and releases the other persons past life memories. So these past life memories are not of the hypnotized person, but those of someone else."
Jacob
"from the material consciousness into the subconscious material"..its the other way right ?
"material subconsciousness of the hypnotized person one taps into the material subconscious of another person, connects with this person and releases the other persons past life memories"
For that to happen, it seems that the MSC of the hypnotised person is able to pass through the censor and retrieve data from the other person. Surely, MSC has got friends at higher places...
Beware the fallacies into which undisciplined thinkers most easily fall--they are the real distorting prisms of human nature - Francis Bacon
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Jacob
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Post Number: 784
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 03:42 am: |
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Mahigitam,
Your correct, this is my mistake, I checked over the rough translation and corrected it.
It must read: "from the material subconsciousness into the material consciousness"
The material subconsciousness is connected to all other material subconsciousness-forms of all living human beings on this planet, forming a WE-form, roughly comparable to the Internet.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Mavi
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Post Number: 60
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 07:22 am: |
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I have a question, I was reading a FIGU booklet, and it says that when somebody is born with homosexual tendencies, it's because when dying he-she wasn't sure if in his-her next incarnation she wanted to be a man or a woman. How is that possible, specially when the great majority don't accept reincarnation as a reality? |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 207
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 01:28 pm: |
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Hello Edward,
This discussion touches closely to a subject that is of a personal nature in respect to a mutual friend around 40 years of age that has decided that he is really not a man after all but a woman. He claims that at a young age of being disgusted with or horrified by his maleness.
Is there any FIGU info that deals with the " Oh I'm trapped in the wrong body " story that you hear about lately? I'm not talking the traditional homosexual situation where they don't mind their body they just have opposite attractions.
This is a guy that has children and wife of 18 years and just couldn't be a man anymore and well, is masquerading as a woman and has left wife and family to do it.
Peace, Matt
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Sarah
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Post Number: 28
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 05:56 pm: |
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We know what your referring to, or at least I do. For those that don't understand, it basically the feeling that, you are the opposite gender. I'm dealing with the same thing myself.
I would also be interested in an answer to this question.:D |
Borthwey
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Post Number: 236
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 11:33 am: |
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Hi Mavi
Overpopulation is causing spirits to incarnate too soon, before the previous life has been totally processed, and this, if a spirit incarnates into a different gender, may cause the person to have a sexual identity that doesn't match the body's.
Also, Billy has said that one can determine what gender one will be born into on the next life by what one desires it to be. So, if someone is uncertain of being of the right sex, it's likely that this person will be born into the opposite one on the next life.
This would probably solve the problem, not create it?
David |
Matthew
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 12:22 pm: |
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Hi Mavi,
On the FIGU booklet: I think this refers to the leanings we have throughout life at various times towards a particular gender and its traits and behaviours rather than a choice made in the last few dying moments.
For some, these leanings may develop into and include a conscious gender choice for a future incarnation. For others these leanings may be experienced as strong inclination to the male or female so that one gender is preferred over the other and the associated traits are found to be attractive and so are assimilated.
Personally, I know I have made the choice to be male again in the next life for many reasons. The idea of being burdened with children during these difficult, overpopulated times is incomprehensible to me and outweighs the capacity I know women can have for love, companionship and compassion. I also feel that I need more of the steadiness that being male can offer although I know this may be an over-simplification but these are not the only reasons.
I think it's a shame that people feel they are in the wrong bodies and have a strong desire to be the opposite gender because it means that gender for many is a trap containing particular traits whereby other traits not associated with a gender cannot be fully expressed. Difference is then emphasised over humanity. I think that society needs gender traits to be flexible so that during times of conflict, males can be compassionate and nurturing, and, when overpopulated, women can assert non-maternal traits. I believe that these latent traits have and do come to the fore in 'Popular Culture' in the West in response to current dilemmas but in a distorted way so that these innate compensating traits become overly exaggerated and negative because they are meant to be temporary compensating factors until a population balance is reached. As the underlying issue of overpopulation is not generally recognised or addressed, these compensating traits continue on but in a senseless way. We therefore see a string of women - Pop artists, writers, business women, etc, - who elevate misogyny and who have no real love and we see a proliferation of men who fold and cower before tin Gods and negative pressures and fight for the wrong things or do not fight at all when they should.
Salome,
Matthew |
Sarah
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Post Number: 30
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Hey, maybe that means I can actually be born female next time.:D That is...if I'm, reincarnated. |
Edward
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 01:56 am: |
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Hi Matt...
I can only think of what Billy and Christian mentioned of the (Re)Incarnation
Mechanism being Out-Of-Order. This too, is also the main factor that many
individuals are Confused in Gender. As Christian mentioned a while back, and
which I knew from reading it in the past, is due to...the Spirit-forms not
being Fully Programmed, as they should. Their Software, is not fully
installed. And somewhere along the line in their life, this will show, so to
speak.
Thus, at one point in time, if not before that, there can come a time that
such individuals will experience as your friend did. I know of such examples
of men who were brought up very Christian, and lived their lives as a good
Christian should, and not wanting to come out into the open, to reveal their
TRUE FEELINGS.
Of course, such individuals feel he/she is in the Wrong Body, in their
interpretation. Which is quite understandable. And, if they choose to be as
they are now, we should let them be. As Billy did mentioned, in the next
incarnation it will be corrected, possibly; in that sense(: software being
installed FULLY...).
Edward. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 788
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 02:16 am: |
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It's the overall consciousness-block which is not completely reprogrammed so to speak, not the spiritform. The spiritform is in this case just the engine, but not directly affected, the only effect on the spiritform is that the spiritform together with the overall consciousness block incarnates too early.
Because the overall consciousness block is not working properly (in the material consciousness-forms) the consciousness-related/spiritual evolution is less then optimal because the OCB does not function to full capacity.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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