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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 66
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 05:18 am: | 
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Jacob, you really explained it well this time. Polygamy perpetually draws more interest than it deserves.
Re: the evolution of Earthlings... If I understand correctly we are supposed to speed up the evolutionary process of our species unnaturally, through the use of genetic engineering. Additionally, when we officially encounter the Sirians again, we will work with them in altering our genetic codes to recover some of its original form. Presumably this is what you are talking about, this speeding up of the evolutionary process, playing catch-up with the vibe of other space-faring humans in the universe in a matter of thousands of years instead of millions.
I do wonder, now that the Plejaren have engaged in relations with the Sirian people, how does this impact our need to follow this future storyline, how necessary is it for us to dig ourselves out of the selfsame hole that we have been working on since we split from the Sirians millenia ago.
I spose it is all conjecture until something happens.
Life
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Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 855
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 01:00 pm: |
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A marriage between ONE man and ONE woman is a mono (one) gamos (marriage), however a monogamy can be part of a polygamous bond ONE man and multiple women, in which each separate monogamous marriage is a part of it.
Billy speaks of polygamy here:
http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/bulletin/2010/nr-70/ueberbevoelkerung-und-polygamie
(Message edited by jacob on March 11, 2012)
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Magdalena
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 10:07 am: |
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Thank YOU ALL for giving me so many answers. I read them all very carefully.
Special thanks to Jacob. Your answer gave me a lot to think of.
There are so many things I have to mentally digest at the moment, that I guess it's all I'm able to write this time. It's not "academic" problem for me, it's my own life and this issue must be solved somehow and I have to think of the solution.
Salome,
Magda |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 857
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 04:00 pm: |
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Hello Magdalena,
Your welcome. Of course nobody on the forum can give you real advice on what to do with this situation, only tell you what polygamy means on this planet and that it can't be implemented for thousands of years to come.
How I have explained polygamy is how it is ideally according natural creative laws and recommendations, but simply not applicable for this planet and the Earth human race.
Take your time thinking about this and never forget the laws of the country you live in, you should always stay aware of those laws.
Good luck!
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Sanjin
Member
Post Number: 179
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 04:54 pm: |
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Jacob,
Thanks a lot for looking into this.
Love makes the world go round.
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Magdalena
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 11:36 pm: |
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Jacob,
the truth is, I didn't expect a real advice on what should I do exactly. All I really wanted was to find out what do you (you, Jacob, and you, all Forum Members interested in the topic) think about polygamy "here and now" and what are the basic rules to make it work.
Now, when I know there is no chance to make it work, I know what to do.
I'm very grateful for giving me clear and honest answers. The hardest truth is always better than the sweetest lie.
Salome,
Magda |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2367
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 01:37 am: |
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Hi All...
As to what I came across in the past, was, that there are few Indian/Asia and
African tribes in the past (and even now) that did/do adapt polygamy to their
daily life. And, of course, it was not always sexual relationship based.
They too, mentioned it was the way of Nature; if they obtained this from the
Spiritual Teachings, in the past from their forefathers, which was once pasted
down to them, is the question?
Even, an elderly widow could marry an already married (younger) man and this
relationship would not be sexual based. I think, even a woman of 60 plus could
marry the male and bond in unity, without any sexuality; which was agreed to.
And that this elderly woman could even past down her life experience to the
other younger wives, to improve the marriage, and the wives relationship.
Perhaps, our 'modern' ways of life indeed, have not achieved the needed
understanding, when defined within the framework of Creational Laws, as Jacob
mentioned. Which was my thoughts, also, but, that these Indian tribes (and
others) to some point DID achieve this understanding due to them having
implemented this type of marriage ever since they existed(: not yet
contaminated by our western Cult Religions). Perhaps, not fully within
Creational Laws, but still, much closer to it than what we call our today's
Modern life; which still has to live up to the definition of 'within the
framework of Creational implementation'; and indeed, the Overpopulation factor
would play part, as well; best to not overpopulate the planet even more.
Edward. |
Redhalls
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2012 - 02:05 am: |
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Hi,
In my spare time sometimes I have an "urge" to turn on my PC and play a video game because one game is so nice.
I run my own business and at this time it's not yet successful and so my mind is not 100% relaxed, it's not turning out a profit yet (but it will soon).
Could this be the reason why I find playing this game fun? I would rather read/learn instead because I think it's more beneficial.
But I just can't hold the "urge" I have, I'm trying to read a book in spare time for instance but the "urge" to go and play is unstoppable.
So I don't know if I'm doing wrong by playing instead of learning something in my spare time.
So I'm confused, is it bad to play a video game? I never heard of Billy, Figu members or Plejaren playing/watching sports let alone playing video games.
But maybe it's appropriate for me at this time.
Thanks
Karl |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 400
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2012 - 09:22 am: |
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Redhalls,
I'm right there with you. I too am working seven days a week, up to ten hour days, on a business that will yield me a return soon. It would have already given me a return so that I could become a passive member and hire the German tutor and put into motion my visit to Billy and the SSSC. Unfortunately, there were set backs and delays out of my control, of which, I took advantage of according to a few things I learned about in their regard in the Goblet of Truth; these setbacks thereby became a benefit.
I too had these 'addictions' that I noticed my personality was subject to that presented a distraction from my studies. So I prayed to my consciousness and directed it to banish these distractions and addictions of the personality and had it replace them with that which would be conducive towards my desires and that wisdom would suggest I invest my limited time on earth with.
You would be amazed at how much the study of the Goblet of Truth has impacted my business.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Acriticalmind
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:07 am: |
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Hello all,
I have been a keen reader of Billy’s information on the internet for a while now. And, might I add, this is my first post on the FIGU forum.
While I am convinced, to a certain degree, of the genuineness of Billy and his character, I remain unconvinced as to the philosophy that underpins the Creation – in particular the Creational Laws and Recommendations. My uncertainly arises simply from the fact that I am unaware of how these laws and recommendations are derived/learnt from/understood from nature. I am aware of pieces written by Billy and other mission-supporters where it is described that the environment around us provides the platform for human beings to recognise these laws and recommendations, yet I have not come across a completely clear and concise explanation, on this forum, of exactly how one comes to such an understanding.
From what I have read, the recognition of these laws and recommendations come from a macro/broader understanding of how the world works – such as how the flora and fauna co-exist together. It has been said that these laws of creation are much like the laws of physics that hold everything together – like gravity, for example. Would this be correct? How else are they recognised?
My lack of understanding is further seen by the apparent lack of universality and ambiguity that is implicit within these laws and recommendations. For example, one creation-natural law, on the forum, as described by Jacob, relates to polygamy. It is mentioned in one passage of the GOT specifically, that a man is allowed to have 3 wives – provided he is able to care for them. When one compares this law, with what is seen in nature, it is seen, for example, that many species of animals do indeed live in the equivalent of a polygamous relationship, but this is not a complete panacea – some animals, like Gibbons and swans do bond/mate/live with only one ‘partner’ for their entire lives. Thus, it can be said that this natural-creative law does not have complete universality with all species. Therefore, how can this natural-creative law of polygamy have validity in the human world and how can humans come to recognise this law as being correct and the right way to proper peace, harmony and love, which is listed by Billy many times over.
Additionally, how far do these laws and recommendations go? To be more specific, in what areas of human life do they apply? As I understand it, these natural creative laws and recommendations cover all things from hygiene, food, marriage (as described before), justice (punishment for wrong-doers), intrapersonal aspects relating to thoughts, interpersonal aspects relating to conduct between groups of people and so forth. Yet, I am no clearer in my understanding. Again, I ask the question. How does the human being come to understand these guidelines of living and conducting oneself from observing the world around them, i.e. nature - where these creative-natural laws and recommendations exist?
I appreciate anyone’s input to help clarify these points of mine, for I have many, many more...
David.
Then I must, indeed, dance to the music that is played for me.
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 239
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 10:51 am: |
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David,
Those are some good questions. As far as polygamy goes, Billy mentions studying deer and other animals that live in a pryde like lions when studying polygamy.
Billy also mentions that polygamy is natural because on Earth more females are born and outnumber males, so a man can have multiple wives which is logical if you think about it. Billy also mentions in his book "Gesetz der Liebe" our problem of monogamy is responsible for overpopulation, and that if we on Earth practiced polygamy and his 17 pages of recommendations (for love, engagement, childbearing -3 children per wife, banishment for adulterers) our problem of overpopulation and other negative factors would disappear and the characteristic of universal love would radiate among us Earth human beings.
As far as the law of Contrariness goes (finding unity in polar opposites), examples can be found in nature such as light and darkness, noise and quiet, war and peace, etc. As far as reincarnation, or the law of becoming and passing, and being reborn, examples can be found in nature when trees lose their leaves in the fall only to rebloom in springtime, how rain gives nourishment to flora and fauna, etc. There must be more examples, but like you I'm just learning too, but when you think about them for awhile they are logical. Much more logical then our current systems here on Earth.
These laws and recommendations are pretty in depth, and also deal with what to do with criminals (banishment) etc. and Billy is excellent good at explaining them in his books. We are lucky we have the Nokodemion spiritform as our prophet, the same person who noticed all these laws among nature and compiled the spirit teaching among the Old Lyrians in ancient history, is the exact same spiritform as our current prophet.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 776
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 01:25 pm: |
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Hi David ;
You may consider that the whole of the medical field ( for example) would be doubtful in it's veracity if you were only exposed to it for a "while" . To understand any discipline ot teaching you will need time , which can't be rushed , unless you have a time-rushing device of some kind . As for observing nature , it can be seen in all things , the nature of machines even ; as they are guided by principles of mathematics and logical design . The human nature , as it is in itself a microcosm of natural systems . The reason why Billy's recommendations are so precise and well tested is because they started with Nokodemion , upteen mega-years and eons ago .
Mark |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 654
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 04:10 am: |
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Very often in The Goblet of the Truth or other writings of Billy, he refers to "... everything that crawls and flies ..."
silly question but why did he leave out 'swims'?
Bruce
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Derrick
Member
Post Number: 120
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 11:10 pm: |
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Hi all,
In reference to "Interview with Billy" question 6. Under the answer, Billy says "Creation, as a universal self awareness, is the source of life of all creations within it's domain, which is to say, within it's universe.
I have been researching this question for a few years and am trying to pin point if the creation acts,thinks, or is an independent creation from us as well as a part of us as spirit. Microcosm within a macrocosm. If creation has self awareness as well as obvious intelligence then it would explain how through nature's intelligence the laws and recommendations and information can be seen/ obtained/realized?
through observing and being self aware of not our ego but of logic, reasoning and intellect as well as the existence of our spirit as a part of the whole/creation?. how is human awareness different from the creation's???
Can the creation think as it's own being independent of it's creations or are us humans the way in which the creation does this. Of course I do know that the creation does not have an ego/personality yet I see many things under it that are full of personality and splendor and make me chuckle and be amazed.
I hope I did not cram too much in here but this has been lingering in my head for quite a while. I hope maybe some here have some insight on this.
Salome
Derrick |
Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 683
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 07:39 pm: |
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Hi Derrick
As others have said, Creation is not a 'being' as a human or other creature and therefore when we use words such as love, thinking, awareness etc., for describing Creation, we just are not doing justice to the meanings that are intended and relevant for describing Creation.
Billy has often mentioned that we cannot fathom it, although we do give it our best effort. I sometimes think I have an inkling of what and how Creation is and does, but it is just an inkling and may not be anything to do with reality.
Here is an entry from the FIGU dictionary re a WESENHEIT as opposed to a WESEN.
I hope this will help:
https://figu.org/dict/node/122
"The Creation is the BEING and NON-BEING of life. It is the most immense mass of spiritual energy in the universe. It is spirit in the purest form and unmeasurable in its wisdom, knowledge, love, harmony and truth. The Creation is something spiritually dynamic, a pure spirit intelligence-energy that is incomprehensible for human beings, and reigns above everything, an always active, creative, incessantly being in evolution, all-embracing wisdom and love. (From the forward in the Decalogue)
Extract from FIGU-Bulletin no 68, September 2009
The Creation is an immense, neutral, energetical and evolutive Wesenheit BEING that is not a Wesen as such but a Wesenheit as a pure natural state of energy, a natural evolutive spirit-energetical activity-energy. ... The Wesenheit Creation is a pure spirit-energetical BEING-state, a radiating energy of spirit-light, and therefore not a Wesen in the sense of a human being, other creature or other personified Wesen, therefore also not a divinity in superhuman form. The Creation Universal Consciousness, as natural spirit-energy-form, is a spirit-energy-form based and existing purely on causal evolution out of which the likewise causal and evolution-related creational-natural laws and recommendations are given. ..."
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Verlanis
Member
Post Number: 20
Registered: 10-2012
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:31 pm: |
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Merely an opinion, but George Lucas did a good job of describing existence in Star Wars. I'll paraphrase.
The Force is alive. It is us, moves through us and binds the universe together. It is unthinking, but moves of it's own accord. A Jedi can call upon it's knowledge, and use it's service in the service of others. It can control you, but it merely does this at your behest to help as it is called. It does not control you merely for the sake of control but as a guidance, and as a friend. The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is.
It is funny but it does match well with what has been spoken throughout the ages. It also is congruent with the teachings of Spirit.
Blessed be those who watch and those who turn the key.
I will contribute in the way I can. My goal is to help in all areas that I can. I will think, and I will develope. Truth is to be discovered and explored. --Jack W.
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 133
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 06:43 pm: |
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Hi Derrick
Billy said in one of the reports that universal consciousness is not a "living being".But please remember that human beings are made to the image of creation - which should dramatically improve your chances of understanding what he means...
Salome |
Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 684
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 05:28 pm: |
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Hi Ferbon
you said "....human beings are made to the image of creation.."
Can you please provide a source within the FIGU material for this comment?
And/or, could you please explain yourself further in case your comment was just void of enough content and explanation to be able to assess your true meaning?
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Ozymandias
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 04:03 pm: |
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Hi,Billy
Im new to this site and i was wondering if there was a place i could go to ask you private question's?
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 135
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 - 07:20 am: |
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Indi
thank you for asking, and I have taken some time to come up with the answer to do justice to your absolutely direct and precise question. My statement regarding "human beings are made to the image of Creation" is a result of study of Billy's teachings and ,to be absolutely clear - all of his teachings. For me this statement is evident throughout and is a secret that one should probably discover himself/herself without any announcement. For this reason I feel that in this light I have said too much and can only admit it when faced with wisdom and respect that you honored me with.
More precise answer from my part still is a matter of the future when embodiment of life, love and truth will be studied, and announced through microphones and loudspeakers and will be cheered by the crowd which would then still have a long way to go before the level of anyone from this forum is given to them. Evolution cannot be rushed and will turnt its back on anyone who battles it. This belongs to the time of new era. The time of enlightenment and silent revolution of truth as this whole reality is seen thanks to the documentaries, website and efforts of MH , B/49 and P's. Salome |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 324
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 - 05:43 pm: |
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Ferbon,
I have been studying Billy's German books for years and I have never read that humans were made in the image of Creation. The only thing somewhat related is that I have read is that each human being possesses a fragment of Creation within himself, i.e. the spirit form which powers and enlivens the human body.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 686
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 12:54 am: |
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I have to agree with Corey at this time. However, if you Ferbon, have uncovered such a 'secret' that I might have missed in my years of study, then I am truly curious.
I would prefer direct answers, rather than ones that appear to skate around the park.
I do recall the religious version of man being created in God's own image from my growing up years in the Catholic church, however, with the spiritual teaching material, I have distinctly found that not to be the case.
Please feel free to make your announcement to us all. I am sure others are as curious as I am. And, if it is something I and others have missed, I am sure it won't hurt for you to share it here.
You may have an angle that is unique to your perspective and it might be of value to us all to gain a perspective that is different.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 636
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:21 am: |
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Bible scholars have said the correct meaning and interpretation of the word "image" in the phrase "image of God" was closer to "shadow" as in a shadow cast by sunlight. Man being like the shadow compared with the real thing. The way we use the word "image" today is a very inaccurate caparison.
Casts a different light on it if you'll excuse the pun.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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