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Indi
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Post Number: 680
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 02:49 am: | 
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Lemontree
Creation is not made up of separate spirits. When spirits merge with the Creation, it might be more like an ocean, being made up of individual drops of seawater, yet it is the 'ocean' - an 'it'.
We don't ask what does each drop in the ocean do. The spirits, when they merge are merging as spiritual energy, increasing the energy of the Creation, its power, just as the individual drops of water become the ocean. No individual spirit is represented any further once merged.
It is impossible for us to understand what Creation occupies itself with as we are material beings and can only know what material existence offers and is like.
There is nothing wrong with wondering, however, to spend too much time on these topics, will detract from time spent in one's own consciousness evolution and accompanying spiritual evolution.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Ferbon
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 05:19 am: |
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I read it in one of the contacts (don't remember at the moment which one) that Creation is everything and everywhere. Self-created creation (The Universe) needs energy to keep evolving until it reaches level of Absolute Absolutum. While its way there, each Universe is getting bigger and bigger and to do just that (to evolve) it needs more energy that it can produce within its normal cycle. It also needs energy to stimulate the waking up after the time of slumber and be bound within the evolutionary process governed of course by the laws of the Absolutum.
Of course everyone here is right saying that we cannot understand creation.
On the side note: I am not sure if Plejarens made it to other Universe than DALL or DERN yet, but if they did already, then we could surely have bigger perspective in perceiving Creation than now.
ps. Does anyone actually know exactly the sizes and the evolutionary cycle of becoming of our own Universe?
From my knowledge our form of Universe started after 21 previous evolutionary forms, namely as follows:
Primary Universe
7 x slumber
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slumber
awake
slumber
Our Universe
(not sure if this is correct) can anyone help me with filling this process up to Our Universe?
Salome |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 623
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 09:34 pm: |
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Lemontree: “Does Billy shed some light about what Creation does?
Creation is perfecting itself inexorably on and on.
Presently, in our material universe, creation creates new spirit concentrations, in the form of human spirits. Now this human spirit has its mission to fulfill in the fact that it further-develops in countless rebirths towards its own perfection. If this has happened by countless lives, the spirit sweeps back to the creation and becomes one with it by which the creation itself is further perfected and becomes more and more immense.
Now, what I did not understand is how did creation continue with its’ perfecting in the successive spiritual universes, so I asked Billy and here was his answer:
Hello again, Billy!
Our Creation is in its’ first of seven cycles, this one being material and the successive ones being spiritual in nature.
In the last round of questions, you explained, “A spirit form doesn’t have a consciousness which is evolving consciously. It’s kind of an impersonal form of being conscious (unpersönliche Bewusstheit).”
If possible, can you briefly explain how evolution occurs in an all spiritual universe, such as in the cycles to come? (i.e. what does it do exactly)
Many kind regards,
Bob}
In the pure spiritual realm there is a form of energetic intelligence which cannot be compared with the one within us human beings. It’s an immaterial intelligence or intellect, respectively, and this kind of intelligence is pure energy without any addition of material energy.
You can compare the whole process with school, where you are learning in grade 1 (= our world), and then go up to grade 2 where you are using the result of your learning from grade 1, but are learning finer and more detailed knowledge etc.
(Note by CF: All future knowledge is based on that what a person has learned while living in a physical body in a material world.) |
Memo00
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Post Number: 573
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 06:22 am: |
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Hello Bob
I remember Billy said that presently Creation does not create new spirits but that all were created since the beginning.
Salome |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 07:09 am: |
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The question about what Creation is and what it does are general questions, hence you can get many right answers, each from a different perspective.
In review:
1. Creation is a group of spirits who have merged. (Lemmontree)
2. Creation is a process, one of creating life. Creation has an intention which is more fundamental than any perspective. Though not stated, I have found this intention to be loving. (me)
3. Creation evolved from an idea into more than-. (Thomas)
4. Creation is an eternal mystery, and will never be comprehended. (Elreyjr)
5. Creation is a step in the development of existence. (Lemmontree)
6. Creation is the ocean, and spirits are but water droplets. (Indi)
7. Creation is generating the energy to perpetuate, and to grow. Implicit in this is that Creation generates universes. (Ferbon)
8. Creation is perfecting itself. As it does so, Creation creates, matures, and then absorbs spirits. (Phi_spiral)
(Please feel free to correct this review.)
Creation uses a number of strategies to express itself. For instance, Creation loves, in the most fundamental essence of the concept possible. Creation breathes, resonates into existence, resulting in the universality of analogy. Creation grows, springs from a field of constantly changing potential, organizing itself as it finds meaningful ways of expression. And Creation takes naps, too.
Why is it important to consider what creation is and what it does? Creation can be seen as a metaphor for what is life, how to live it, what to do with it. Once a generalized mental model of Creation is built, there really is no need to dwell on the question further, except as a meditation exercise.
Again let me remind of my caveat that I hardly know how to do more than speculate with vague poetry here. Hope it helps.
Life
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Ferbon
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 03:43 pm: |
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Michaelhelfert
The use of poetry (especially regarding Creation) is more than necessary (Billy used it in some occasions - I think when he spoke about his wives). Poetry - just like peaceful music - justifies love which normally is unjustifiable.
(To paraphrase Billy again, he said that)Contemplation of Creation is an essence of our existence which you can find in any living form and also rock, air, water etc. Everything resembles Creation as its cause and effect.
I wish only more could see and perceive it as most of us here do.
Salome |
Patm
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 07:34 pm: |
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There are three good source that describe What Creation is:
Contact 18
from the FIDU Australia website
http://au.figu.org/creation_semjase.html
FIGU Canada website contains an excertp from Voice of the Aquarian Age #89
http://ca.figu.org/What_is_the_Creation_.html#What_is_the_Creation?
From FIGU Bulletin # 68 (translation from the Canadian FIGU website)
http://ca.figu.org/uploads/creation-what-it-is.doc_-_NeoOffice_Writer.pdf
How these help
Salome
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Lemontree
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 11:06 pm: |
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Thanks, helpful answers! |
Patm
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 08:25 pm: |
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Sorry 'FIDU' should be 'FIGU'
'excertp' should be 'excerpt'
'How' should be 'Hope'
my apologies 
PatM |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 624
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 08:31 pm: |
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Memo00: "I remember Billy said that presently Creation does not create new spirits but that all were created since the beginning."
You will find that Billy uses the present tense when describing the process as you find here in this example:
"So schafft die Schöpfung unaufhaltsam immer neue Neugeistballungen, die in Form eines menschlichen Geistes den Menschen begeisten."
- Page 334, „Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums“
Regards
Bob |
Memo00
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Post Number: 574
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2012 - 06:57 pm: |
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Hello Bob
right now i can´t find the quote (if i could improve something from the forum it would be the search function which is not so good), but i´m 100% certain that in the questions to Billy he said that since the beginning, Creation created all spirits and that they are so many that a huge number will never incarnate in a human body (but absolutely all those who incarnate in a human will reach the highest level of evolution possible, that is the highest level of the Petale level before the "Big Crunch").
Salome |
Lemontree
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2012 - 11:29 pm: |
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I also read here in forum that it could be that some spirits stop altogether and never reach the highest level, etc - they where talking about those folks under pyramids who where later banned to another planet... |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 238
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 07:08 am: |
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Here's a link to the question that billy answered in the 1988 interview, about creation....
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_(1998)#What_is_Creation.3F_What_does_this_term_supposedly_mean.3F
Peace, Matt
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Edward
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Post Number: 2529
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 03:34 am: |
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Hi Lemontree...
Yes, an Inspirational Idea. Which than, created its Laws and Recommendations.
And which is brought into practice in predominantly the Material Realms.
In the beginning, there were indeed ALREADY, Spirit-forms, which aided
Creation, as I understood. They are/were permanent ones, not like the ones
which reside in human beings; which, have an Evolving 'task', so-to-speak.
Which LEARN, through their Material Evolution, and will one day merge with
Creation. Even, higher up to the Sohar level, and many other levels(; you
will come across them as your read/study, this string with previous
postings).
It is mentioned, that when one reaches say, the Sohar level (or whatever
other level), the Spirit-form can be assigned to a task or mission somewhere
in the same Creation or another, as I understood; just depends.
Thus, Creation is indeed, accumulated with an endless amount of Spirit
Clusters. Which, also make up for Creation to LEARN and to KNOW: Creation
too, is still.... Learning and Expanding; just like we humans.
Edward. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 575
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 07:11 am: |
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Mmmm no Lemontree
all spirits that once reincarnate in a human will reach the Petale level. Under certain circumstances some spirits may stay in the beyond and not reincarnate for a time but even a million years is only like a blink compared to the entire duration of the universe.
Salome |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 168
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 11:33 am: |
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As I understands it, by the time a spirit's self-awareness reaches the level required to incarnate as a human being, it has already developed at least the rudimentary consciousness required to evolve further. From here on further evolution is already a forgone conclusion, no matter how difficult it might be for us.
As we might see it, we are polishing ourselves to better present ourselves in what is to come. Another perspective is also valid: that we are perfecting the environment through which we live in our flow back to our source. Regardless, it is a natural cycle of life.
Life
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Flaming_pie
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 04:11 pm: |
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Hi Sauroman11,
I'm over here. "Are they even material as we understand it, aliens from another dimension?"
A human being is a human being everywhere in the Universe. And the Universe consists of an infinite number of universes. Did you catch that? The word (U)niverse is not only the material realm but also the spiritual belts -- the whole enchilada we call Creation. So when we talk about (u)niverses, they are just the physical part.
So all another dimension or space-time configuration, as the Plejaren call it, is to us is just another physical universe in the multiverse. So the galaxies, stars, planets, water, oxygen, people, animals, plants, rocks, etc., in another time-space configuration are just as material as they are in our dimension. And the Plejaren (aliens) just live in another part of the multiverse, that's all. And they have the technology to travel between these dimensions or time-space configurations, like we might travel from island to island in a boat. I am still learning about this and certainly making mistakes trying to explain it here. I have asked a question to Billy this round along this topic; and I am hoping we get clarification on the structure of the multiverse. So you should check back in a month or so for that answer.
Best regards,
Anthony Alagna
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 785
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 11:22 pm: |
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Speaking of the possible structure of things beyond .....
If a couple things are kept in mind "as above so below" and the existence of the highest known structure - force the Absolute Absolutum plus the fact that it itself (Absolute Absolutum) is evolving then it's possible to imagine a concept like this:
The Absolute Absolutum is like a Creation except on a larger finer scale and in it's material belt exist an infinite number of evolving Creations just like galaxies and solar systems exist in a universe however those exist to provide a "theater" which is the stage (enviroment) for spiritforms to evolve which in practical terms is similar to what occurs to elements during an enrichment process facilitated by the action of spinning in a centrifuge ..... their atomic number is gradually altered however for spiritforms the enrichment process is achieved through occupying material bodies and experiencing a series of lives on some planet or other.
Do Creations have a spiritform composed of energies finer than superfinematerial ? and is their rest period between active phases similar to the 1.52X years lived ratio big sleep of human spiritforms though on a larger scale ?
So if Creations are also on stage in a theater doing their part in evolving to the next level which adds to the evolution and structure of Absolute Absolutum which is also evolving so if that's the case it (Absolute Absolutum) might itself exist inside and as part of something beyond and larger than itself.
Probably no-one knows for sure how far that structure extends .... how many levels could there be beyond the Absolute Absolutum and how many Creations are contained within it's boundary and if someone does know for sure they are most likely not talking about it.
However the big questions are ..... how did it (the top structure) start, how could have something of that scale always existed, how large is it all in reality, what's the ultimate purpose and what's a boundless infinite nothing ?
With those ideas in consideration .... a universe is small change by comparison.
Cheers.
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Scott
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Post Number: 2343
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 10:43 am: |
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Flaming_pie
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 12:59 pm: |
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Hi Ramirez,
Thanks for chiming in. I'm still trying to figure out the way the physical universes are configured let alone Creation and the Absolute Absolutum.
I bring up line 85 in the Intro to the Spirit Teaching, “The entire universe which he sees is but one of many rooms and must be counted as myriads, because there are universes within universes, universes beyond universes, universes under universes, universes above universes and universes out of the universes within this ur -mighty, colossal and all-creative spiritual intelligence of the Creation’s existence.”
Here is my understanding of the multiverse based on my studies:
1. The DAL is said to be a twin universe to our DERN. And as far as I understand it there is some sort of tunnel technology deployed that allows them to go between the DAL and DERN. And as far as I know, the Plejaren don't leave the time-space configuration, like they do when they fly from Era to Earth. They go through the tunnel. And of course this is two different universes. Out of Semjase's definition, I would guess based on my studies, that the DAL is an example of a "universe out of a universe," because she is our twin. Or it could be the other way around and the DERN twin came out of the DAL.
2. But in instances where the Plejaren shift into another time-space configuration is another way to reach a universe. Again looking at Semjase's explanation, I would guess based on my studies, that when the Plejaren use their tech to shift into another dimension they are reaching a "universe within a universe."
Please, this is just my opinion and I do not know or claim for sure. But we can begin to see how EXPANSIVE, just the material belt is. It's hard enough for some people to get their head wrapped around aliens coming from another planet, let alone another dimension or a twin universe. This is no doubt amazing to think about and explore with all of you here.
Cheers,
Anthony Alagna
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Lemontree
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 06:57 am: |
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Ramirez is this what you said what you think or Meier said this?
"The Absolute Absolutum is like a Creation except on a larger finer scale and in it's material belt exist an infinite number of evolving Creations" |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 787
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 11:38 pm: |
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Hi Lemontree,
Those are my ideas.
That sentence should really have Maybe
"The Absolute Absolutum is like a Creation except on a larger finer scale and in it's material belt exist an infinite number of evolving Creations"
just to clarify that i'm not sure and have no way to be sure except ask someone who knows for sure .... but where are you or anyone going to find an authorative source willing to reveal the accurate truth ?
Meanwhile .... IMO it's not doing any harm to contemplate the possibility of such things.
Cheers.
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Edward
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Post Number: 2623
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 03:07 am: |
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Hi Lemontree and Ramirez...
I would say, that Ramirez, is on the correct path.
Below excepts are from: Billy answering questions. May give you some ideas?
The Absolute Absolutum is the first of seven forms (the "lowest" one) and is
capable to create Creations, and it has created the 10 to the power 49
Creation forms.
As has been answered above, the Absolute Absolutum builds/consists a block,
together with the other 5 Absolutum forms plus the SEIN Absolutum. It is,
therefore, "in" that block.
The Absolute Absolutum is what could be explained in German as "das absolut
Existierende, das absolut Erschaffene" (that which absolutely exists, or that
which has been absolutely created), = that which is complete.
Contrary to the several evolutionary levels of Creation, the Absolute
Absolutum does not learn anymore; it just gathers/collects and transforms
everything, and then passes it on.
[My comment: I think I mentioned on a previous posting that Absolute
Absolutum Learns(?), if I did: ONLY, for a certain length of time it Learns,
than, non active (so, 50-50, here being correct..to not confuse). The same
with its evolution; also, shuts down(, logically speaking). BOTH, are
dependent on eachother, at that stage. Than, it just gathers/collects and
transforms everything, and then passes it on. Like a Data Bank Transformer
and which than, transmits the data to its needed/destined location/belt,
etc...; I would say. See Below....]
Absolute-Absolutum, then after which Creation would have to evolve to
Ur-Absolutum form to Central-Absolutum form to Creations-Absolutum form to
Super-Absolutum form to Sohar-Absolutum form to BEING-Absoltum form.
Billy
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