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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 805
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 12:54 am: | 
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The understanding of why is a little like a swing band song from the 1940's , and you never liked this kind of music , until you turned 50 years of age , and then it becomes clear ; this music was written for the mature crowd . The knowledge of evolution , all the reasons for it , were made for you , just an older you .
The parable of Tony Bennett . |
Lemontree
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 11:23 pm: |
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Yes basically I just want to know what happened in the beginning. When I was younger I wanted to know the beginning of universe but that I now know, Meier says there was more stuff before it so I wish to know all the details.
So Meier doesn't have any info on this? The Plejaren seems they know all about Creation but not about The beginning of everything? Not any info on that. |
Schantz
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Post Number: 159
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 08:00 am: |
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Which came first, the lemon or the tree? |
Edward
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Post Number: 2586
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 01:22 am: |
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Hi All....
Well, the - Absolute Nothing -, as we know it, was/is indeed: Something!
An Energy, which seemed like nothing, in our definition...was/is STILL
Something.
Thus, the Absolute Nothing, acquired an Inspirational IDEA...which even led
to the very first Creation, which it...in turn also acquired an Inspirational
IDEA...to generate and Create...the Material Realms/Belts; from Course
material to its Finest material. Which are, still....within the framework of
the definition: ENERGY.
Of course, The Absolute Nothing has something to gain from this all, just as
the First Creation, and....go so on. THEY TOO: are Evolving, just like you
and I. So, as you see: we are in the same boat. And through this Accumulation
of data(Evolution, etc..) The Absolute Nothing as well as The Absolute
Absolutum and The Creation acquire more Knowledge, Wisdom, etc. Thus:
Expanding constantly. And: LEARNING! Of course, perhaps not in our human
ways/terms, but in their OWN definition of existence of understanding, I must
add.
You say: With a ball you play football, with all this stuff what do you do?
With a ball you play football to be a WINNER...and, with all this
stuff....you ALSO become a WINNER! But, scoring points in a much greater
level in Consciousness and in Being of your BEING.
You see: even MORE Gratifying....
Edward. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 643
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 04:54 am: |
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Schantz,
It is only reasonable to assume that the lemon and the tree as well as the chicken and the egg evolved gradually together (assuming they were not introduced from outside).
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 06:12 am: |
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Dear Schantz,
In my opinion neither... only change did!
“I believe when life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade...and try to find someone whose life has given them vodka, and have a party.” ~ Ron White
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Edward
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Post Number: 2597
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2012 - 02:46 am: |
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Hi Guys....
I would think...the lemon SEED!!
If, you have no seed....you have no tree...and thus have NO Lemon!!
When it gets down to the point: the First CELL is the CAUSE...just like the
EGG....; than, the Effect will progress further...(plain old Consequences!!)
Edward. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 645
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2012 - 05:05 am: |
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Dear Schnatz and Edward,
Neither the seed nor the tree would have come first – unless either was engineered by humans and introduced as an additional floral on planet Earth. If it evolved naturally, which is most likely, then both the seed and the tree came into being together very gradually over millennia, from the most basic of biological floral into basic grasses and on up the chain to bushes and eventually trees. In this way the seed and tree can only have evolved together from something very much more primitive and smaller than what they are today.
It is a null question, because the question itself denies the very existence of the known fact of evolution. It is the same issue as, “Which came first the human or his seed?” In this case both of the above answers are applicable: They evolved together from the original slime (as Billy as mentioned there are those on this planet who have so evolved here); and others may have been engineered or created and introduced. Any seed and adult form evolve, or are created, or engineered, together.
The cell already contains almost all the basic genetic information of the structure of the adult being, so where did that come from? They just evolved gradually into existence together.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Edward
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Post Number: 2609
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 02:09 am: |
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Hi Chris....
I agree with your post to some point, from: if it evolved naturally, which is
most likely, then both the seed and the tree came into being together very
gradually over millennia, from the most basic of biological....etc...
Of course, from a Natural (Evolution) point of view.
The Cells are the components that have to generate the 'density' of mass
within a creation/product, to be. As long, as it is not yet configured into a
permanent body/product, than, the first call, is the Cell; not to forget the
contents of the Cell and its properties of composition, itself.
Even, the Original Slime's composition is within the framework of the above
mentioned. The human, is the (by-)product, so to speak, in result/out-come,
due to the conditions of the planet, as well, as its 'thinking' mechanism,
when reached that state of Evolution, etc. It too, Evolved from just ONE Cell
and accumulated into a 'cluster' cellular structure, and so forth; till end
product, so to speak.
Even, Christian(F) mentioned the Cell/Egg came first and NOT the chicken.
Thus, the above mentioned would fit in clearly to WHAT....Christian is
referring to.
Thus, if we speak of Cell/Egg/Seed, they are the Cause of a greater Effect in
their Evolution...in producing, whatever the Consequences, their out come is.
Thus, there has to be a Cellular structure/construction present, in order to
produce the tree. The tree, is composed out of these Cells; if these Cells
were not present, there would be NO tree!! Just like the Seed...which
gradually would Evolve into a tree. The ROOT Cause...is still the Seed, to
be, from there, again, cames the tree.
But, still to mention: it is just HOW One would define it all. To not confuse
ourselves. I was taking it all to The CORE itself, which is the Cell(s).
At some time in Evolution the (Seed, to be) Cells were being constructed, in
the ground, and at some point in time, they accumulated into the SEED(or,
what we would define as Seed), and gradually Evolving into the 'stems/roots'
of the tree to be, and than, the trunk of the tree and than the branches, and
than the leaves, and than whatever else the type of tree may produce.
Hope I am not confusing you??
Nah....I think you know what I mean, now(?).
Just trying to put it all in a nutshell.....
Edward. |
Jacob
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 01:16 pm: |
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Unplug and reconnect
The Earth human has entered the age of near-instant global communication in its multifaceted spectrum, for the so-called civilized world a myriad of social media is available for utilization. Social media are a natural development in a human race that discovers the potential of global communication, however in this lurks a tremendous danger.
While social media as a communication tool is valuable to exchange ideas, information and inform others about wrongdoings around the globe, it has very strong addictive properties when fallen to, can be destructive to the Psyche and personality.
The danger of social media is that people are at risk that they start to ‘live’ in them, create connections to other people solely based on text, images and sounds, while in reality, a human needs so much more then just text, images and sounds to create a real relationship of any kind with another human.
The human needs face-to-face contact, exchange of non- verbal communication, hearing the subtle tones in a voice or subtle facial expressions. People connecting over social media without having met each other cannot really and truly connect because of the lacking non-verbal and other psychological factors.
The world of social media can become a self-created
illusion based on images, texts and sounds, and works like a drug, a bad habit.
Now the words of Srut Ptaah in contact 542 about this: English (rough) translation first:
Ptaah:
The evil can be named this way. It's not just electronic books that cause damage to human consciousness and ratio, but this applies to all digital information media, and to so-called game consoles. The diversity of digital media of all kinds puts especially children and adolescents; as well the aforementioned adults are at risk. Because of all of this, the life-capability. Life-persistency capability, self-worth, personal decision- possibility, thoughts, feelings and the power of self- initiative withers away. Everything in this regard will be affected to such an extent that even compassion, the sense for
law and order and justice and righteousness becomes obsolete. This creates anarchy, apathy, mischief, contempt for life, knowledge, wisdom and unkindness and degenerative aggression, even down to the thoughtless, reckless and degenerate harming of others. Next to this also factors arise which include boundless irresponsibility and the hazard or destruction of his own life or the lives of others.
German original:
Ptaah:
Das Übel kann auch in dieser Weise genannt werden. Es sind nicht nur elektronische Bücher, die beim Menschen bewusstseins- und ratiomässige Schäden hervorrufen, sondern es sind diesbezüglich alle digitalen Informations-Medien, wie aber auch alle sogenannten Spielkonsolen zu nennen. Durch die Vielfalt der digitalen Medien aller Art sind ganz besonders Kinder und Jugendliche sowie von den genannten Medien abhängige Erwachsene gefährdet. Durch das Ganze verkümmern nach und nach die Lebensfähigkeit, das Lebensbeständigkeitsvermögen, die Selbstwertigkeit, das persönliche Entscheidungsvermögen, die Gedanken- und Gefühlswelt sowie die Kraft der Selbstinitiative. Alles Diesbezügliche wird derart stark beeinträchtigt, dass selbst in arger Weise das Mitgefühl, der Sinn für Recht und Ordnung sowie für Gerechtigkeit und Rechtschaffenheit hinfällig werden. Dadurch entstehen Anarchismus, Gleichgültigkeit, Mutwilligkeit, Lebensverachtung, Wissens- , Weisheits- und Lieblosigkeit sowie ausartende Aggressionen, und zwar bis hin zur bedenkenlosen, leichtsinnigen und ausartenden Harmung der Mitmenschen. Weiter entstehen daraus auch Faktoren grenzenloser Verantwortungslosigkeit sowie der Gefährdung oder Zerstörung des eigenen Lebens oder das anderer Menschen.
The Plejarens do NOT use electronic books like tablets for education because electronic media do not connect with
people in the proper way to transfer the information and allow the human to really understand and study the material.
They use actual books, although these consist out of different materials and are made in different ways then here on Earth.
It's explained in the early books of the spirit lessons that they cannot be lend out and actually 'bind' to their owner. There is a good explanation for this somewhat, for the uninitiated, 'outlandish' remark.
Its actually very simple and easy to explain: The aura of the human being is a direct indicator of what is going on in the personality, the thoughts and feelings. When a person is occupying him/herself with the spirit teaching, the aura, fluidal forces and all swinging-waves change accordingly in a neutral-positive way, especially when the spirit teaching is really studied.
This causes the fluidal forces to enter the material of the books and writings, this creates a bond between the books / writings and the owner.
It’s a neutral-positive connection because the psyche has a good reaction towards a book which contains the spirit teaching, this is a psychological effect.
Did you have the experience in your life that you had a
favorite book, which you loved to read as a kid? Like a favorite comic? This is a similar principle.
Don’t live in social media, you can only make real friends in real life, not in a digital domain, use social media only for communication, for gathering ideas, to inform yourself, nothing more. If you meet a person via digital media, strive to meet this person in real life, only then it will be useful.
Social media robs people of the capability to live in real life, have true friendships and relationships, the more people lose these abilities, the more they seek compensation in the unreal world of social media, it’s a vicious circle, a ‘Teufelskreis’
One could ask oneself the question: How long can you go without connecting to social media or even think about it, can you go complete cold Turkey without even thinking about it? Ask yourself this. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 793
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 - 08:44 am: |
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Hi Jacob,
I find this part of your recent writing post 1 most interesting ....
"This causes the fluidal forces to enter the material of the books and writings, this creates a bond between the books / writings and the owner.
It’s a neutral-positive connection because the psyche has a good reaction towards a book which contains the spirit teaching, this is a psychological effect."
So with this in mind would you consider it possible that an interdimensional being of a higher order (light - intelligent electromagnetic) entity has a capability to alter the molecular structure of physical objects at the sub and subsubatomic level ?
By this i infer that the object would then contain a sort of "beacon" which has an attractant capacity able to .... attract other interdimensional entity's - light beings ?
Also is such an arrangement able to be made upon the molecular structure of a human .... a person ?
This would be at the consciousness - psyche level of subatomic matter but not quite at the fine fluidal level of spirit.
Cheers.
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Skyrim
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 06-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 - 03:17 pm: |
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Ptaah:
The evil can be named this way. It's not just electronic books that cause damage to human consciousness and ratio, but this applies to all digital information media, and to so-called game consoles.
Hi Jacob,
I spend an hour or two a day playing console games as well as a little time communicating with people/friends over social media too. I can see the negative aspect of this on the psyche and personality. I don't dispute that. But what I would like to ask is isn't this a phase that we had to go through when we reached the internet and digital age? Also I would be curious to know if the Plejaren ever went through this phase too when they were at our level of digital, internet and communication age?
phil |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 183
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 - 05:34 pm: |
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Skyrim
It is a phase if you understand that it is a phase.
Salome |
Acriasis
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 10:16 pm: |
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Perhaps one day human kind will have an understanding of how all things come and go. How information can be perceived in a better way through a book that you take with you where you go without a distraction such as logging in, do you have enough time to read, or something frustrating such as a power outage that completely disrupts all digital information media if it is widespread enough. It is not enough to sit and stare into your monitor, even though the internet has a wealth of information about the truth, you have to get out and experience life to your fullest potential, apply knowledge of the truth to your own life, and take time to meditate and focus your thoughts into a neutral manner so that love and caring for others is found. A true oneness with self by the wellspring of knowledge that comes forth from evolution of consciousness, creates in your life true meaning and ability to make a difference, no matter how small it may be.
Don't be a drone that does the same thing again, and again daily, for in this the meaning of the task has lost its interest. Go, be with your loved ones, share with them the actual truth, if possible, be in experience of your surroundings. For life continues to evolve, consciousness in truth is expanding outward throughout this world, all the while there are people on the sidelines wondering what to do, with Creation all around them and life everywhere that can be acknowledged through seven unique senses ( although five is most basic to almost every human of earth, the sixth and the seventh truly come into use through evolution of consciousness and unity of the physical and spiritual self into one?) After sitting at a computer for eight hours, do you feel refreshed? of coarse not, imagine how many most beautiful things that could have been witnessed and experienced that day even though useful information may have been found in the computer usage.
There is time, staring you in the face each day, ready for you to experience life and enable the might and knowledge of the spirit. Will you listen? or will sit at your computer for another eight hours typing to others and disseminating information?
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Only in truth is there life, for life lives in truth and searches for it when it is lost. |
Lemontree
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 01:18 am: |
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Sorry I don't agree what Ptaah said: "The evil can be named this way. It's not just electronic books that cause damage to human consciousness and ratio, but this applies to all digital information media, and to so-called game consoles."
That's something "old" people nowadays say it's like there's always a battle between young and old who's better.
I don't find consoles, pdf files and digital stuff bad or damaging it's just how you use it what the heck. I know Ptaah is Ptaah and I'm lemontree  ) |
Edward
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Post Number: 2657
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 01:28 am: |
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Hi Lemontree....
THAT...is Cute...
Well, we can not say, that Ptaah...'did not' warm you.....
[TJ: We Evolve through our Experiences....]
Edward. |
Andyv24
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 02:01 pm: |
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As a thinker, and philosophy degree-holder, I have long been aware, perhaps like many here, that it is extremely difficult to make a case for the existence of free will. Creation, as we know, invariably unfolds via cause and effect. This being the case--though I feel like I posses a free will--it could easily be argued that the real reasons for my particular thoughts and actions could be traced along a casual line reaching back further and further ultimately to things that I had no control over, and thus, despite appearances, I have no truly free will.
I was recently reminded of this frustrating paradox by one of my favorite authors, a man many here may know of and respect, Sam Harris. Harris delivers a message not unlike Meier's in many respects. The problem for me is he makes a forceful argument that we in fact have no free will. He concedes that many, religious and secular alike, have a great problem when confronted with this 'truth', that they feel something important to there existence is taken away or falsified if this is the case--I am one of those people, if we indeed have no free will this would be troubling to me, perplexing.
But I understand Mr. Meier would disagree with Mr. Harris here. But can the existence of free will be demonstrated, whether logically or empirically?
Any thoughts much appreciated. |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 06:19 pm: |
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Andyv24
Your everyday existence is the demonstration of the free will since from the very moment of waking up you decide weather or not follow your thoughts and feelings. Since your thoughts and feelings are of material origin they are subjected to the laws of cause and effect meaning that they react to action and thus as a reactive entity or acting entity can not - by definition - be enslaved - thus not free.
Salome |
Memo00
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Post Number: 583
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 09:25 pm: |
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Hello
The proof that freedom exists is that you can do illogical things even when the entire universe and its laws are based on logic and order. Without this the universe could not evolve into higher forms of being. Only with animals and beings that cannot question things or do stupid actions the Creation could not reach new heights and grow in wisdom.
The future can be known and even if you know it you cannot change it. Still you are free to do whatever you want and still in the end you will do what you will do. It seems like a paradox bit it really isn´t. Basically you cannot be any other thing than what you are, freedom lies in being what you are because it is impossible to be any other thing, it is a logical consequence of accepting things as they are (not because of belief but because of understanding). This reality is the one and only that exists so there exist nothing outside of its logic.
Salome |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 807
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 12:37 am: |
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Hi Andyv24,
Sam Harris along with Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins are among my favorite secularists whose many debates and interviews are well worth watching .... these are real intellectuals at work.
We have no free will ??? that may be out of context perhaps meaning that those of faith have no real free will due to their somewhat unquestioning acceptance and belief of things from books or social - religious conditioning ..... an issue Meier constantly alludes to and emphasizes as being one of the design evils of religion ..... through psychological mechanisms it does indeed steal free will becoming a prison without bars.
So maybe he meant that. If you can find the interview or whatever and link it here that would help.
Obviously Sam Harris is not a prisoner of imposed will nor a blinkered vision believer so it's interesting what you say.
Cheers.
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 250
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 06:57 am: |
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In the process of the development of the self,
there is a point at which something occurs which we are unable to fully fathom.
When the self evolves from a coalescing and knotting ball of knowledge and intentions
into a writhing living breathing spirit,
"the flower of life",
a simplest, gentlest, most unimposing creational spark ignites,
a connection with the pre-Apeiron loving creation -
and afterwards stays lit forever,
always lighting the way back home.
This creational spark allows us to imagine anything
we want to imagine.
And whether we decide to act upon what we perceive is
entirely
up to each of us.
When we trace our selves back reductionistically,
slicing off this aspect of self and that for examination,
we won't find this all important but elusive spark of life,
the gift of creation itself.
It can only be found by looking at ourselves as a whole.
Life
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Edward
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Post Number: 2666
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 03:19 am: |
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Hi Andyv24....
Well, to some point, as I understand it, is, that we do...or, are confronted
with certain aspects of our previous life time. It be, not directly,
but....more indirectly.
So, if you could not cope with something from your previous life time, you
CAN be confronted in the next one; as Billy mentioned, when you reincarnate
with a NEW Slate, again, you are 'bombarded' with your Storage Bank
properties, and here is when YOU...have Free Will...to decide Consciously or
Unconsciously which properties you would (still) like to adapt to your
Character/Personality, etc, in the new incarnation.
So, you see, the above mentioned is quite a good example of Free Will. We can
still decide, here, for OURSELVES.
And, when you go further through life, you can/will be confronted with
new/other confrontations....which you can, again, adapt your Free Will, to;
making your own FREE Choices.
So, to some point, Creational Programming plays, part, here. Only, to get you
going, so to speak. We all have to start from 'something'. And, from
there...it is up to YOU!!
Make Positive use of your Free Will with THOUGHT and Thinking, and do not
utilize it Impulsively, which can result in disastrous scenarios.
Utilize your Intuitive Consciousness THINKING, properties. Which is very
Constructive in her usage, with True calculated Thoughts and out-come.
And, NOT act through your Impulsiveness. Which, is more a 'reaction' type of
action, with NO THOUGHTS: NO, Free Will....of THINKING!! You are than:
Impulsive.
Thus, you CAN stir your own direction, properly/correctly, if you will,
through your Free Will.
Edward. |
Verlanis
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2012
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 07:43 am: |
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Cause and effect are a continual liability basis of Creation. Decisions beget causes and Decisions can be called Effects.
The definition of Sentience itself is the only definition available for a logical demonstration of free will. A sentient being alone is the only being that can take it's own life because of a cause or because of an effect. An animal will never take it's own life for no reason other than sacrifice in defense of another.
Sentience is the "I learn, I create, I build." Whereas, the Instinct is the "I forage, I breed."
To put it mildly, a bear could create beyond itself if it was self-aware, but since it is not then it can only create by the one idea that is granted to all life which is maintenance of the species.
Blessed be those who watch and those who turn the key.
I will contribute in the way I can. My goal is to help in all areas that I can. I will think, and I will develope. Truth is to be discovered and explored. --
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