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Thomas
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Post Number: 976
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 01:49 pm: | 
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> It all depends on what you are using infinity to define since infinity can > be such in either one or multiple directions. One to infinity is an infinite > set starting with one for example and in this case is only infinite in one > direction. If you have an infinite set of odd numbers versus an infinite > subset of those odd numbers, one set is bigger than the other in spite of > being immeasurable because one set contains more figures than the other, > even if it is infinite! |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1266
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 06:00 pm: |
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An Infinite series of the natural positive numbers is neither odd nor even. If you were to construct a Venn diagram of any set of infinite N (odd or even), any infinite SUB-set will also be infinite by definition. There are also infinite sets of the imaginary numbers, as another change in dimension.
However, as Steven Strogatz points out to us, ratios of the real numbers between 0 and 1 will be larger. (Thanks Mat)
I think the only proof would come from a Super-Computer blowing itself up from trying to solve either premise.
I would relegate this back to the Void.
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 274
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 07:05 am: |
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Conceptual understandings of the void are malleable, not definite. Since the conceptual math is not a problem, the void is not limited to definites.
There are some rather simple ways to a living awareness of the void. Love is the simplest.
Love is always the way
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Thomas
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Post Number: 977
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 08:42 am: |
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> Sorry to disagree but it IS definitely infinite :-) |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1267
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 11:35 am: |
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Hello Sitkaa,
I think I understand your expressed thoughts, [" There are some rather simple ways to a living awareness of the void. Love is the simplest."].
Love will always be on Creation side of the Void (thus where we all have our existence). "Outside" of all Creations' Universes, however, The Void is without intelligence or life = two essential 'ingredients' for Love. It should be said that the Primary-essential-'ingredient' for Love is Spirit. Creation Spirit is not found in the Void, then there will be neither Love nor Awareness in the Void. Much more than this would be further speculation, for not even the Plejaren know much more of the Void.
Love & Peace
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 09:42 am: |
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Paradoxes:
When "it IS definitely infinite", this paradoxically splits the infinite. There are two perspectives of the infinite, one of 'it' and the other of 'IS'. In the void, both of these perspectives are true.
Love is on the creation side of the void, yes, and it is on the relationally created side of the void as well. This is paradoxical the nature of love. Love can connect all concepts in a mutual awareness of creation.
Love is always the way
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Thomas
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Post Number: 979
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 01:14 pm: |
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> Wordplay does not change the facts nor does it change logic :-) |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 352
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 01:43 am: |
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"My biggest problem is remaining civil and acknowledging the huge energy of love that does not pay homage to Pthah or God himself that is creation.I become so frustrated when people say and do nasty things without this knowledge.They are doing what they think is right. Which I did and still do to some extent
The true wealth of creation is its power to turn anything into joy and love, you are not thinking about your breathing right now but is keeping you alive. So breathing only is for the respiration of air in and out of your lungs, no other bodily functions.The focused energy of creation that hangs in the ballance is there for all but can only be utilised,enjoyed,made useful, to our existence when focused only with truth and love, the main concept of creation , apart from its structure."
-Jonas
It seems to me you are confusing love with ethics. Love is not ethical. Love just is. Ethics, on the other hand, is based upon morals, upon the necessary sense of self. Love is the communicative process, the most basic verb that precedes the subject/object. Ethics is not nearly so deep.
To not get upset with how things occur, let go and let love. Then develop some self-derived guidelines on who can say what, and when and with justification. For instance, let the concerns about homage and worship drift with the fickle winds of consciousness. If someone is truly worthy of being considered as endowed with holy godliness, then they are not gonna be concerned with being a worshipful master.
Doing what you think of as the right thing to do, this is the right thing to do. Do this to the best of your ability. Please, don't be so quick to give your judgment away, this is the mark of religious thinking, the mark using a crutch to reach for understandings beyond your ken. We develop our understanding of things, our sense of right and wrong, of ethics, through practice, practice, practice, practice.
As long as love is the gauge by which every little itty bitty thing is measured, as long as love is the guideline for every step we take, then we cannot go wrong.
(Sometimes, easier said than done, and then sometimes, easier done than said.)
Love is always the way
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Alejandrogutierrez
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 06:29 am: |
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Buenos Días
Haciendo referencia al Control de Natalidad, propuesto o sugerido, en cuanto tiempo se espera llegar al número de habitantes que puede soportar el planeta.
Siento que la pregunta está relacionada con el Amor de alguna manera.
Hello Alejandrogutierrez,
Just a friendly reminder this is the English Speaking Forum 
Scott-Forum Moderator
(Message edited by scott on January 12, 2011) |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 12:25 pm: |
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Alejandro,
Este planeta pude soportar 500,000,000 habitantes.
(Alejandro,
This planet can support 500,000,000 inhabitants.)
[7:-)
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Villatlf
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:07 pm: |
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Alejandrogutierrez,
Translating your question you said: "Related to birth control, proposed or suggested, when can we expect to reach the number of habitants that this planet can support? Some how I think this is related with Love."
A quick answer from what I know: We have already exceeded the maximum number long time ago. It is really important to do something right now to mitigate the damage that has been already done (In Spanish: Ya hemos excedido este límite hace mucho tiempo en varias veces, lo importante es hacer algo ahora mismo para mitigar el daño que ya estamos causando. ¿Habla usted Inglés?)
Francisco |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 555
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 01:10 am: |
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oderators, i hope this is a suitable area in the forum to post this following set of ideas....
"how does a young person go about communicating his true thoughts and feelings to older people, in regards critique, observation, and well meaning advice"?
often times, it is the view on earth, that someone younger than you is of lesser correctness or of lesser knowledge and wisdom simply by way of age factor.
many cultures share the view that a person who is younger than you, is seldom right, and the older being seldom wrong in their conclusions and views.
when you (as a younger person) know you have a legitamate point to make, that would result in the older needing to admit his or her error in thinking or judgement, there arises a fear that you may be looked down on or treated poorly, because your words will be viewed as arrogant or be labeled a knowitall.
so when a younger person is in the right, so to speak, and they voice their opinion, with the hope that others will take away from the individuals statement, something of good and loving quality... there often times (more than less) creates a unpleasant atmosphere, ego's becomes bruised, and the insecurities shine like suns.
it is also commonplace for societies on earth, to hold other people (in this case youth/those younger than you considerably)to a certain standard or expectation on how to think and act, and when a younger person deviates from the older persons demands and expectations of what he prefers in regards to behaviour, the youth is condescended on and made to feel guilty and foolish.
as a younger person (having discovered billy and his story at the age of 21) i have since had aspirations of being a figu member, and striving too become a core group member oneday. to this i was met with ignorant remarks that suggested i was incapable of concluding even the most obvious and simple of matters. that worried me because i do not know what to expect upon a visit to the sssc... would i be treated a certain way because of my age, and would my words of wisdom and thoughts and feelings be held against somekind of standard?
i have learned that even so called knowledgable people often are full of foolish notions, which take root in the idea that age is an advantage over youth.
i try not to allow myself to be hurt by other peoples lack of understanding, or abundance of ignorance, because i can only shed so many tears until i realize the tears solve nothing.
when i am looking in the eyes of a child, 30 years from now, i will hope they have much to teach me, and i hope also that i do not ever devalue their words all by way of there small amount of years lived.
i had spent much time introspecting and meditating on my faults, imperfections, negative charachter traits and bad habits, and when i had made headway and wanted to share my newfound wisdom in joyour excitement, more than not i was left hurt. thus i hold my true thoughts often times, locked away from others, and i am left being "scooled" by older people who have insecurities about the obligation of being a teacher figure to those younger than themselves. to be appreciated for what you can offer, and not what others expect from you, that is a great virtue, i think. And each time i speak t a child, i will be reminded of such a treasure, and treat such a teacher with the utmost sincerity and respect. thank you for reading |
Edward
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Post Number: 2125
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:41 am: |
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Hi Peter....
Who is: oderators?
Just kidding....
I know you mean: Moderators.
I was just explaining to someone about what you posted some weeks ago.
I told him, that indeed, it is within the framework of Cult Religion and
others, that we only, respect and obey the elderlies, when...we should just
respect each other, no matter how old we are. And, that if an individual is
older, he/she does not per se have to be more KNOWING, than you.
I explained to him, that an individual that is younger and occupied with an
elder and wiser Spirit-from, can exist, and we should just 'listen' to such
individuals. It is not always an older individual who is Smarter and Wiser; in
Spirit-form.
Thus, we should not prevent elderly Spirit-forms whom reside within a young
Earth human...from presenting their Knowledge and Know How, Wisdom, etc.
I find it quite interesting listening to younger youths. Sometimes, I am very
astonished of their Knowledge and Wisdom. Quite Talented, they are.
We should always be OPENED...for the youths of today: hence, they are OUR
Future, to be: which we/they should Improve and Perfect; as intended by (The)
Creation.
They can only, Up-grade/date the Minds of the Elderlies..into Perfection.
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2126
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:44 am: |
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Hi Moderators....
I am not sure, if I posted the previous posting twice, on this string?
If so, please remove one if you will?
Apologies..
Edward. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 245
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:21 am: |
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Hello Peter
(#555)
Great post. My two cents would be the following.
An individual's ability to exercise wisdom is what determines their ability to recognize it in the first place. In which case, it would not matter if this individual is listening to a younger or older person.
Greater wisdom will steer the thinking of the recipient through inquiring, thought provoking questions that follow a statement.
The less experienced need to be shown how to apply wisdom, through the same method by which we apply it in bringing cognition to them via the topic of conversation and the drawing out from them an understanding; which they should articulate.
We must also consider that knowledge and wisdom are two very different things. A young person can teach an older person how to set up an email account and all that pertains to the use of computers; the challenge would be on how to transfer this knowledge, which requires the attributes of wisdom. This means that while the young person is attempting to teach the elder how to work the computer, he or she may be in "doing" or "learning" mode; teaching effectively (from previous attempts/trial&error) or gaining cognition regarding what made it simple for the elder to learn or where they may have caused difficulty due to the selected wording of explanations.
In the scenario where the knowledge or wisdom potentiality of an individual is dismissed by a person, it is our responsibility to apply the attributes of wisdom in bringing to their awareness (cognition) the verity of said potentiality. Keep in mind that at this time we ourselves may be in "doing" or "learning" mode; for are we not ourselves now attempting to articulate, in such a way, that said individual will be able to acquire a new found attribute of wisdom?
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 02:16 pm: |
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Dear Eddie,
Well said and well worth the cents!
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 557
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 02:29 am: |
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hey there edward:
lol, pobodies nerfect
sometimes people use cunning and clever techniques to sound in the right, but inadvertantly, they reveal their insecurities and fears. in situations where my good intention is not welcomed, i try to find a solution by applying a naturalistic logical plan of action, such as ending the conversation if i sense it will keep going on and on. atleast i can teach myself.
eddie: you reminded me of what i often tell people... "knowledge is information, but wisdom is how you apply that knowledge (in a harmonious way with regards to the laws of nature)". |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 258
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 12:29 pm: |
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From CR450/SB37, quoting Ptaah
"Effective freedom does not mean doing and being allowed to do what corresponds to one's own will, rather, freedom means that responsibility is comprehensively taken on and borne, for life, the planet, the climate, nature and for all forms of life."
What kinda freedom is he talking about here?
Can you give examples?
Life
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Ferbon
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Post Number: 225
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 05:53 pm: |
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Maybe Plejarens' efforts could be good example. The effective freedom would be manifested by taking active part in the process of learning. Knowledge comes with responsibility and wisdom comes with experience. In this sense the effectiveness of freedom could be to stand up for what you know is true just like Rosa Parks.
There could be many interpretations and examples - I suggest you quote the excerpt and ask Billy for the best one.
Salome |
Cpl
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Post Number: 650
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 05:48 pm: |
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Michael,
Just to give my own personal two cents worth:
Here Ptaah is, to me, talking about true freedom. The only true freedom comes from following the laws of Creation. This means accepting full responsibility for all life on our planet. It is only through being responsible that true freedom comes.
Simply put, if one isn't responsible eventually things catch up with one; and in society you end up in prison which is a very non-free place. I'm reminded of the tragic true story of a young American woman who shouted off she was so free she could do anything. Perhaps to prove her point she went off and killed an aged grandmother savagely knifing her to death. She was, of course, arrested and sent to prison for life. While imprisoned with no freedom whatsoever, she screamed at her visitor: "I am free! I am totally free!"
Irresponsible freedom, like that of the young female murderer, is a complete illusion; the only true freedom comes through adherence to the ways of Creation, through responsibly caring for the life, climate, and nature of our planet and all forms of life. If we neglect such responsibility it will come back to imprison us in any or many of the diverse ways we now witness through sundry punishing natural events. Ptaah's words show wherein lies true freedom.
My very personal and unofficial interpretation.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Edward
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Post Number: 2676
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2013 - 01:07 am: |
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Hi Chris....
Excellent example!
Like the saying does: "You have Freedom and Freedom...."
When we know, that there is ONLY....ONE TRUE Freedom!
Misuse of Freedom, can be applied to your example.
And, indeed, True Freedom, is when One would apply it with True Thought and
Logic, as indeed: within the framework of TRUE Creational Values.
Edward. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 261
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - 03:17 am: |
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When I think of freedom, I think of freedom from responsibility.
Here, Ptaah is talking of freedom as a responsibility.
In this sense, it is our responsibility to live for the improvement of all life.
For me, freedom is a sense, like sensing the need to stretch for a breath of fresh air.
The need for freedom is innate, primal, instinctive.
Even my own deepest self knows what is freedom, and my mind makes sense of this innate sense.
My sense of freedom is almost as fundamental as my sense of being alive.
The idea that freedom is anything more than my sense of it,
the idea that my sense of freedom is itself a responsibility feels...
like a breath of fresh air.
I suppose life is truly connected with all life after all.
Life
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Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 196
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 01:52 am: |
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G'day folks
here is one of the good docs on freedom
http://ca.figu.org/Freedom.html
its good to print docs on figu.org to have handy in the car for when traffic is slow etc... or if waiting around
(binders are only 2 dollars at supermarket)
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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