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    Edward Member Post Number: 2701 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Guys.... I was just thinking the other day, and we know, that we must NOT commit Suicide. As to what I have gather, in the FIGU materials, etc., is that it could occur, due to a Suicide in a previous lifetime, we, or that Spirit-form, can...find its way, in the next in carnation, in 'similar' situation, and to see HOW (s)he copes with it and not commit Suicide, again. If that/this NEW personality manages to Neutralize the situation, than, it is Full...Neutral, and back to its Default/UR Natural State of Neutrality. Fully Clean, so to speak. Of course, that New incarnation started of with a New Slate, New Personality, than that of its previous lifetime. But, through Creational Programming, as I understood, it would generate a circumstance 'similar' to the scenario of Suicide of the previous incarnation. SURE, both have NOTHING in common, but a 'certain' aspect, if you will: just STILL has to be FULLY Neutralize, as I mentioned before. Thus, in essence, indeed, they both have nothing in common, and both have started off with a New Slate, New Personalities, etc. So, the Suicide scenario of the NEW incarnation, would ONLY be the 'similarity'(NOT the SAME), which is than, generated through Creational Programming, as I mentioned. Even though, they started off with a New Slate. So, this/such scenario would just be - Circumstantial -, I would think; not every incarnation having to go through such a predicament; each case is 'different'. And, I think with our Global Overpopulation, it can occur, that the Creational Programming takes another course of processing, which can head us in that....direction. We have to take heed, that the Reincarnation Mechanism, is Out Of Order, due..to the Overpopulation problematique. Thus, in THIS day-and-time, we can expect 'anomalies' in the processing, which were unheard of before. Even, the Plejarans are Learning, of the many anomalies, which they have never encountered before; concerning Earth matters. Thus, they are Re-educating themselves, as well. Edward. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 05-2012 |
Edward In my understanding and thus in very simple words: committing suicide is 'bad" because person's evolution progresses slower due to suicide-imposed lack of experience which would be improved and natural if the person would go through full scope of life. When suicide takes place - such person reincarnates with less experience/wisdom/knowledge that he/she would normally have gathered. This should be the reason why people who actively search for the truth, knowledge and experience would be more evolved and adapted in their next incarnation. Recurring suicidal behavior, accidents, wars, etc. render person to be less evolved relatively to those who learn and preserve their lives. This process unfolds through lots of incarnations thus "one suicide" could result from episodic material deficiency with slim consequences over the entire evolutionary way. Billy calls suicides as acts of cowards. Salome | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 519 Registered: 10-2009 |
Aloha Hawaiian, what if you found out that your former spirit form was the one that caused your current situation? Maybe your former spirit was one of the Americans who took over Hawaii and made it so you couldn't have your birthright. How does a former evil spirit form make amends to himself in this lifetime? Also being a victim is self imposed. You chose to be a victim, especially if you dwell on it a lot. As a woman I could chose to be a victim because of all the crappy things that have been done to women all throughout history. But I'm not a victim even though I've had crappy things said and done to me simply because I'm a woman. Victims have to bear some responsibility for being victims, like being robbed but you had forgotten to lock the door, so they walked right in. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2013 |
The spirit teaching explains in detail why the current personality has no guilt or relevance to misdeeds, mistakes or faults committed by former personalities. Source: Billy’s book “Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer” on pages 134 -135 (c) FIGU Dadurch legt der Gesamtbewusstseinblock durch die Auflösung des alten Bewusstseins dieses ab und erschafft ein in jeder Beziehung unbelastetes neues Bewusstsein und damit also eine neue Persönlichkeit, die von jeglicher Last der alten Persönlichkeit befreit ist. Bei der Reinkarnation der Geistform und der Wiedergeburt des Gesamtbewusstseinblocks inkarniert natürlich mit diesem zusammen gleichzeitig auch die neue Persönlichkeit, die durch keinerlei Belange aus dem früheren Leben belastet, sondern völlig frei und unbeschwert ist. Die Karma-Irrlehre, die Gegenteiliges behauptet, entspricht einer Irrung sondergleichen und kann wohl in ihrer Unsinnigkeit nicht übertroffen werden. Rough English translation: The overall-consciousness-block lays down the old consciousness by means of disintegration and creates a new personality, which is totally free of any burden of the former personality. Simultaneously during the reincarnation of the spiritform and overall- consciousness-block the new personality incarnates, totally free and unweighted from concerns of the former life. The Karma false teaching, which tells the opposite, is confusion without equal and can hardly be matched in its senselessness. End translation Its also described in the spirit teaching that it is very easy for humans at a low level of development to fall for the ‘negative’ and the illogical, this is simple because of its lack of knowledge and wisdom, a lot of mistakes have to be made first in order to learn from them. Each and everyone of us has gone through those very low levels of development millions of years ago. It would be an injustice and illogical occurrence without equal if the burden of those countless mistakes, faults and misdeeds would carry over to the new personality, every new life would be burdened by enormous negativity and smother any form of evolution possible, in fact no consciousness-related evolution would be possible at all. If you are referring to the codex, which has largely dissolved, is something that only a specific group of humans voluntary agreed to thousands of years ago, which was implemented by Arahat Athersata and Nokodemion. This codex was in line with natural- creative laws (which means the codex did not violate any of the natural-creative laws). The spiritforms of those codex bound humans are no longer bound by the codex, but work for the mission out of their own understanding and sense of duty, even when this goes with ups and downs. In order to speak about cause and effect, its relevant in ones current life to learn from the mistakes and not repeat them anymore, effectively nullifying wrongdoings by means of learning. Once learned (+) from a mistake(-) it becomes a thing of the past, it has no acute relevance to the presence anymore because its effectively neutralized and cannot occur anymore. Example: If you drive on a highway, and you take a left turn where you should have taken the right turn, you make that mistakes normally just once, you remember and take the proper right turn. The mistake becomes a thing of the past and has no relevance whatsoever. Lastely, you must understand that a personality/consciousness is unique for every life and as soon as the person dies, that personality is gone forever. The spiritform, which is basically a part of the universal-consciousness Creation is completely neutral-positive, so it will never have any part in negative things done by its personality. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 687 Registered: 05-2008 |
Jacob or anyone, Do you know the ages of the various spirit-forms of the human beings living on earth, from the newest spirit-forms to the age of the 'average' spirit-form created here on earth, to the ages of those humans with spirit-forms of extra-terrestrial origin? Danke Salome, Bruce | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 612 Registered: 07-2005 |
Jacob Hi Jacob nice to hear from you again I wanted to ask what of the storage bank influence because of the overpopulation problem where the remnance of the former personality does influence the later incarnation at a subconscious level. There seems to be some conflicting accounts here. regards matt lee | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 658 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Stunningly good answers, Sheila and Jacob. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 08-2010 |
If I recall correctly, Those of the codex would have already reached the High Council or Arahat Athersata. Salome, Eddie | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 05-2011 |
Aloha Sheila, first of all my “birthright” comes from a much higher ancestral background than that warrior “king” who ruled by war and power lust and my white ancestors came from England’s royal line 5 generations ago and had nothing to do with those racist white religious power-greedy Americans. I don’t dwell on the “what if’s”, but do respect my Hawaiian roots as well as the other 5 different composite races that make it impossible to single out any race in negative view (except the evil ones), as to do so will insult my ancestral foundations that I stand on as well as myself. Is it not true that our ancestor’s essence are still prevalent for several hundred years in their bones? I think to resolve this “issue” about incarnation and the responsibility of the current personality in regards to past injustices done by former personalities can best be illustrated by asking BEAM directly since his incarnated spirit form comes from none-other, the one who co-created the white races that did the most evil in this universe, Nokodemjion himself. He could have just asked the Petale level to return every single one of those into neutral energy prior to becoming thought energy that created them and preceded in his quest for spiritual evolution in the Arahat Athersata level, thus avoiding the Lyrian-Vegan wars and other acts of evil. No he did not do that and I think the primary reason is to take direct responsibility and avoid contaminating the Arahat Athersata level if Nokodemjion decided to stay in the pure spiritual realm. If true, than there was an “adjustment” to creational laws if the bottom statement is true about the Cause and Effect principle, that being the case, then how many more “adjustments” are to be logically applied in order to provide the necessary equalization so that the entire spectrum of both positive and negative events are balanced, which includes all personalities both past, present and future ones. Correct me if it’s inaccurate, but is it not creation law that the Cause and Effect principle only applies to coarse material beings? And that once humans become or “evolves” into the non-reincarnation cycle or realm as in the High Council stage of development, this principle no longer applies even though their “trash” is left behind as some contaminated environment, a sewage pile of excrement that certainly do not promote spiritual evolution for those who are stuck on a planet and cannot simply fly away to incarnate on a higher plane of existence. These degenerative environments like religions, wars, and greed and power lust are still being promoted by evil personalities at the expense of those like you who endeavor to follow creational directives. As pointed out in past posts, the Plejarens have the means to correct their past injustices and balance their equational potential attributes by applying logically some of the ideas brought forth, but that is their free will to do so or not. | ||
Honorcode New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2013 |
Jacob, This is your post: Hi, Scott, Yes, our current situation is unique, under normal circumstances these older spiritforms would not reincarnate but wait for the planet to catch up, and in case when a spiritform is much lower then these spiritforms wander off to find a suitable planet. This is not a conscious action, but purely driven by natural creative laws. Salome, Jacob ------------------------------------------------ It seems that it has been said by others, I did not check the names, that, these spirit-forms are being held against their will here on EARTH to "help with the mission"... Are the Plejarens keeping these spirits here on EARTH against their will because of certain absurd advice by the 'High Council'? Because let me tell you! These spirits are having a BRUTAL TIME adjusting to the barbaric nonsensical ways of the Native Earth Spirits and would rather be somewhere that suits their spiritual age (the age of their spirit-form)! Not on EARTH! These spirits will not wait "thousands of years" to be transferred to a planet of their choosing! Have you ever ACTUALLY given any thought of a REVOLT by the many E.T. spirits being held captive here that this will happen by them when the Plejarens or any other E.T. race makes official contact sometime in the near or distant future? Just asking... Salome. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2380 Registered: 12-1999 |
Honorcode, No spirit form is being held here against "its" will. Any spirit forms involved in the mission have done so voluntarily, which was stated by Jacob in regards to the codex. All spirit forms bound to the planet who are not in physical form, are bound because of the natural Creative Laws. As has been stated many times, if you die on a planet, your spirit form is bound to that planet, until either the planet becomes uninhabitable, or when the spirit form sees a new life, it is transported away from the planet via some technical means. Perhaps you are right in regards to certain personalities may be having a difficult time adjusting here....then again  | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hello Honorcode, I will respond to your assumptions very soon. Its now very late for me so i will do it when I have the time tomorrow. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2381 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Eddie, Are you talking about current personalities or those of the past? Scott | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Scott, Those of the past. Salome, Eddie | ||
Thomas57 Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 12-2009 |
A general question; though, I think a necessary one. Where is "it" written, that Eduard Albert "Billy" Meier's 'opinion' or pronouncement is the "end-all" of any conclusion? OR -any of those currently connected to the 'mission', forum, or CG49 - even to those NOT in those groups? A better reflection, from my perspective, seems that many here still do not perform "due diligence" to searching answers, by study, critical thinking, research, meditation or logic, as to the "why" of their situation - or 'reincarnation' cycles. Then, trusting their own path to provide the next steps? The definition of cultist behavior applies to those who WILL NOT take personal responsibility for their actions, whether from "past lives", current actions or from 'remaining garbage left for others to clean up' or from resolving the cause-effect of their choices - - - and relying only upon someone else to prognosticate the solution or the words of their thoughts. IMO - much of the former (filled)pages commentary has roots in a lack of awareness, personal knowledge-experience, and taking more import from others words than their own progressing-reasoning evolution. Then, many have offered extremely interesting commentary(however, unproven to exist) that attempts to explain the current condition of Earth-based humanity. I'm here(as opposed to being 'there' - non-physical) - because the boredom of company of those who think they had the highest levels of evolution and spiritual growth cycles, and their thinking that there was nothing further to be gained. Perhaps, my "consciousness-block" has "throttled" back some of my evolution - in order to not become too disheartened with the living conditions that ARE here - PLANET EARTH. Big deal! I have nothing to lose, and much joy to embrace by living and breathing amongst my fellow humans. The - if there can be a 'singular arena' - arena of conscious awareness, both cosmological and 'spirit-oriented' is the sure way of gaining Creation-based perspectives upon any path-forward. That includes the full, reasoning, critical-thinking, harmony embracing methods found in almost ALL cultures here. Simply knowing the Earth history, and paralleling those events and causes that appear in the writings, both religious and historical, provides a NON-CULT-ORIENTED(or heritage) freedom to choose a 'better, different pathway. Where are those in reading through this forum who seek the harmony of 'Now', and take steps daily to bring about harmonic effects from their choices? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2382 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Thomas, I guess in some sense you could ask, has the introduction of the Spiritual Teachings by Billy and the Plejarens really helped anyone?, or has it been a giant distraction from our own personal lives? How much do we really know, in comparison to what has been presented to us?, and how do we really know anything except through personal experience? How can we prove reincarnation, when we don't even know what the spirit is and does it really exist, and if it does how do we prove it? Would we even be thinking of these ideas and concepts if Billy hadn't shown up?, or by his introduction of these ideas has something occurred within our thinking processes no matter how imperceptible? | ||
Thomas57 Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 12-2009 |
Scott; I am fairly confident that the teachings of the Spirit Lessons Meier wrote have assisted many. I am 'above average' in reading the Meier materials/data(having read most of all written) and have a past friend(deceased) who personally visited Meier in the early 80's and told me he thought Meier was honest in his words and convictions. I enjoy much of BEAM written/translated materials and have cross-referenced many with my other studies. In the personal analysis - EACH of 'us' must decide our paths based upon what we can verify ourselves. Many ages are filled with many humans who wrote about their experiences and conclusions, even diverse as mine are, as are Meier's. He has no need to validate his experience for me, nor I, he. Nor for anyone, as that is each individual's responsibility. He writes - fairly often - that NO ONE can just take his words at face value. VERY few follow that admonition! Whether or not his 'past personalities' are a valid event, does not remove the individual's responsibility for self-determination, regarding any idea, especially the Spirit teachings and reincarnational viewpoints. The specifics regarding the processes are, at best - speculations - as NO human (as far as I am aware of, or IMO) can prove that. Taking into account the processes described herein, although very enlightening or awareness opening, are not a provable in human terms - thesis. Many founders of many philosophies all have given their relative accounts, and excepting for the parallels that exist, those reports are just their words, not the action of every human, nor even the possible combinations of life-events that are possible under Creation. The Pleyaren peoples, should they be proven to exist(for each of us individually) are on their pathways, not ours. Many errors have been recorded in the Contact reports where they, too, learned from their actions, especially the area of knowing what being a Earth-human involves. IMO, there are many roads 'to Rome'(not that I'm interested in ever visiting there), and IF- a BIG IF, the levels portrayed in the CR's actually exist - in the format reported, it is for each of us to make that trip and know for ourselves. The extraterrestrial interventions here and 'screwing with' the Earth's evolutions, carry a learning opportunity for those of us involved, and show well, WHY we ought to follow the 'Prime Directive' and keep the 'hell-out-of' another's pathways, unless invited to participate by them - when they ask -AND ONLY THEN. The terms "reincarnation", "spirit", "Gheist lehre's", Petale, AA or even the HC of Andromeda - are only ways one-or several of us has described their/our journey. Me - I am a 'Missourian' = "SHOW ME" (state motto), or get the heck out of the way and 'quit muddying the water'. (well, not literally,  ). There is so much self-pontification(including my own) on this blog by those who think they know better for others or who have a "special knowledge" - who have rarely demonstrated in their actions, a 'Spirit-lead path. ( with special few exceptions). Some of the reincarnational thoughts and themes here are beginning to appear 'cultic' in their presentations. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2702 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... I am very familiar with your inputs. But, we must still keep in mind of those Spirit-forms whom were 'put on ice', as Christian once mentioned; and, which some of us know, with the help of the Spirit Levels. They were put in such state, so that if they would incarnate, they AGAIN, would cause Havoc on their whom planets, etc. Thus, the above does, indicate, that even Previous Personality 'traits' can Influence the NEW incarnation. And, as Billy said: that we, or New Personality, is Bombarded with our Storage Bank Properties, and it is up to ourselves to decide, what ever Properties we accept and not(: Free Will). Thus, even thought, we generate a NEW Personality, Creational Programming, is clearly the case, here, with the just mentioned. Of course, Karma and what not, is nonsense. Having to Neutralize a certain aspect, has nothing to do with that. It is here, all about achieving Equilibrium - Neutral Positivity. The Default state of being, again. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2703 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.... Very True! We have to SEEK for ourselves, as is mentioned in the Teachings: Creational SEEKING. If One does not implement such task, One is just Programming Oneself, WITHOUT utilizing his/her Material Consciousness(/Brain). Than, One would ask: what's the use of the brain!!?? Billy, has many answer, there, for us all to absorb, and much are not with details, and, which WE have to Unravel ourselves. He, does not say, for nothing: THINK for yourself; over-and-over. Thus, when it comes to the point: there IS always...certain DETAILS which lack in some of his answers; which, WE...should resolve by ourselves. And, again, I will say: with the Global Overpopulation problematique, certain Creational Laws, are 'bent', due, to the mentioned. Even, the Plejarans, have noticed this, and due, to their own ignorance, they too...concluded, many Errors in their research, etc., and gave-in to their errors, made. Thus, we have very much to 'ponder on', here. So, I think if our planet Earth had the appropriate amount of population required, the Reincarnation Mechanism would NOT be - Out of Order -, and all would go 'as smooth as a baby's bottom', so to speak. No 'dents' at all, just SMOOTH reincarnation, as intended by The Creation. As long as this is the case, we WILL encounter all sorts of Anomalies, EVEN, Within Creational Processing. I fully agree, with many Creational Laws, etc., and their Logic, BUT, there CAN be circumstances, which CAN 'alter' them, for the 'time being'; till, all is back to its UR sense of existence; as intended, by Creation. Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 619 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Scott Good question Scott and a sentiment that I could relate with no matter how hard I attempted to try to understand these very difficult and obscure concepts which is still baffling to me at least. I once had an experience that was to me at least very profound in that just as I was filling a water bottle with the water pouring into the bottle I had this profound sense of my "I" self dissolving into nothingness and there was just this pure egoless consciousness of being aware of myself without the personality involvement. There was no thought but just this pure awareness and that was it. Being one with the spirit or if ever you could actually call it that is a mysterious process and one that can only be achieved by the subconscious by some mysterious process I have yet to be able to define properly and one that I think I will not be able to achieve in this incarnation due to low evolutionary consciousness development. But I didn't think this information of Billy's were meant to be for this generation or era but for people at a much later time. cheers matt | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 05-2012 |
Thomas It seems to me that you look at the world through colored glasses. No matter what you look at- it's always purple. The world around you is what YOU make of it and its understanding depends greatly on your own research and interaction with people. Even when you think that you removed your glasses you must understand what is blue, red and green in order to make sense of reality. That, in my opinion, are the Spirit Teachings for. They are ultimate understanding of truth so that you won't make mistake by replacing your purple glasses for some of other color instead of reality. Reality is the composite, a mixture of colors. By generalizing you opinions you may not recognize that your success could reside right next to you and be matter of changing your glasses to colors and perception of reality. Salome | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 09-2011 |
Scott, Eddie, and/or anyone who knows about this: "Those of the codex would have already reached the High Council or Arahat Athersata." - Eddiemartin, post #467 "Are you talking about current personalities or those of the past?" - Scott, post #2381 "Those of the past." - Eddiemartin, post #486 Can you provide a source for this assertion? Would you be willing to elaborate? Edward, The driver of suicide stems from a lack of happiness. We do what makes us truly happy. While living in this competitive world is difficult for all of us, no matter our evolutionary station, 99.99999 times out of a hundred prematurely ending our lives is not gonna makes us any happier, which is something we each almost invariably realize in the final moments of our miserable lives. What makes us happy is creating and sharing. When by following our own unique and creational path we truly find the need to move on, it's a happy death, welcomed and pleasantly met, with the full awareness that life shared goes on. So much of what we choose to focus on, and how we see it, is a matter of perspective. By choosing to focus on what makes us happy, now, right now, we assuage the angst of a troubled soul. In this way we connect once again with the innate happiness and love of the spirit, without having to die. Almost invariably, when we choose to share in life and love we choose to continue to walk the happy path for a little while longer. Life | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 469 Registered: 08-2010 |
For Michaelhelfert. Hello Michael, Billy gives an explanation here. It is the 4th question: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_%281988%29 Salome, Eddie |
