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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 145
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2013 - 08:21 pm: | 
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Androids no matter how advanced they are cannot evolve further than human beings who have the spiritual essence to become Being, and later BEING to create more universes and other things from energy thoughts.
We, although still in coarse material form, are none-the-less the interface between a non-material spiritual being “encased” in a physical material body that mostly learns in the waking state where there are too much separation between the material conscious, subconscious and collective conscious which are “delegated” to the material aspects of that particular part of his/her equational potential attributes. The separation is a logical function to prevent chaos and confusion when the material conscious is not yet advanced or evolved enough to merge between its respective components mentioned.
Each personality is unique and has its own symbolic representations that presents a particular logical function accordingly to its past, current and future inter-connections. How one’s interconnections are “established” is through their own free will and their ability to merge their awareness with their particular attributes without contamination from the ego or any beliefs, no one, even the prophets can determine which connections are correct for each, it is your responsibility, they (prophets) show you the way and provide the necessary tools to accomplish this.
Dreams are the appropriate realm where one develops the ability to merge one’s potential(s) so that they become aware of the higher forms of existence, where thoughts can be exchanged without speaking as in primary telepathy or seeing done without the use of frontal formation process as through the eyes. There are no limitations, the only limitation are those that one creates for them.
Often in one’s dreams, it is advisable to become “one” with the experience of speaking a strange “unknown” language or experiencing a particular event (although one completely understands it at the moment). Because to do otherwise will “corrupt” its particular essence, for awareness in these matters are not sufficient enough to interface into its essence or “being” at the moment. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2695
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 12:57 am: |
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Hi Mahigitam....
As I understood, is, that a Consciousness is in NEED of a Spirit(Battery), to
give it its liveli-ness/-hood. Simple said: it needs Energy to make it work,
which is the Spirit Power/Property/Battery. Thus, the Consciousness MUST
reside WITHIN Spirit-form(/Membrane). Both, can not function without each
other.
And, I think, the Spirit-form would than be more in the direction of an -
Intuitive Consciousness - in Evolution; similar to that of the HUMAN. If, it
were an - Impulsive Instinctive Consciousness -, it would 'react' more as an
'animal type of creature, and would not be capable of, say, operating a Space
craft, and other fine console/panel assignments (to operate), etc., so to
speak.
Thus, it MUST be: (Humanly) Intelligent, in order to implement the mentioned tasks.
So, if I remember it correctly, these Androids are programmed, in a
configuration similar to that of a human being. Plejarans, DO program them,
in such fashion, keep in mind.
Thus, it (all) starts at the programming of the Android. So, the Plejarans
are very conscious of what they are programming 'into' the Android. So, it
would be 'out of the question' to program the Android, with Animal
Indistinctive Impulse (Consciousness) properties, I would think.
Not sure to say, that the Androids posses an OMEDAM Spirit-form, though.
I recall, that an Android Spirit-form, may seem 'similar' to that of a human
beings, but they are not the same. Each, have their own Spirit Realm when it
is time for them to return to it (by Death, Android as well as Human); say,
each having their own (Spirit Realm) 'layer/Level'. So, they do not reside in
the same 'layer/level', when that time comes. Thus, it would seem Logical
that they both have different Vibration Frequencies, etc., to not make this
able. So, an Android Spirit-form would 'never' incarnate into a planetary
human being body, so to speak; Logically speaking. And, visa versa.
Humans have an Evolving property...contrary to Androids; so, the Androids are
programmed to certain limitations. So, they are...dependent on their
programming properties, I would think. Just depends on WHAT their Creators
want and expect from them. In essence, you can program them in and such
manner you wish, but, NEVER let them be like TRUE human beings, I would
think? The danger, that they could even Destroy their Creators!! Just, like
Robot Androids, have this tendency(; as Christian (F.) once mentioned,
also)!! Thus, we should be Cautious with such Artificial Intelligences, no?
You may want to do a Search Engine search, for more details? This was
discussed in the past. I may be 'off' on some things, but, is has been along
while that this subject was discussed, here, ok?
Edward. |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 545
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2013 - 03:47 am: |
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Thanks Edward. Hawaiian, your response didn't address my main question - Is Billy saying that it is only possible to create androids or artificial brains which are self-conscious, when there is a spirit-form present in that neural network or brain ?
If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere - Frank A. Clark
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Edward
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Post Number: 2707
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2013 - 01:29 am: |
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Hi Mahigitam...
If I may pitch in....
I would think so.
There are Beamships which have such systems aboard, as far as I know. And,
this Artificial Brain(composed of Organic material), does not only serve in
adding the Beamship's flight operating system, but, even other tasks.
Thus, there, in that Artificial Brain system, should be some type of
Spirit-form application present, similar to one which may reside within a
Mechanical Robot Android, or of just as a standard Bio-organic type of
Android. Whatever, fits it...the best, so to speak.
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2708
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2013 - 11:23 pm: |
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Hi Jedaiah...
Will, post this one here, ok?
I would agree with you.
As I mentioned: 'amount others', which...should be 'amongst others'.
So, I was not per se mentioning only them.
It is just all, about: Sex, Drugs and Rock'n Roll....
Those, mentioned Metal Bands singing about - Sex, Drugs and Rock'n
Roll....and Sinister Death and Destruction, etc., with its very very Speedy
up-temp rhythms, sure does work/influence One's Psyche, in the disadvantage!
Tests have proven, that if you play Classical music or soft music in a room
full of plants, they will flourish in growth.
But, when the mentioned types of Metal music is played: they weaken and die;
thus, this does indicate what for affect....it will have, on them.
[Even though, some people say other-wise...]
So, imagine HOW it would be when affecting, the human Psyche....
Remember what Semjase, mentioned about leading a Leech-like life style!?
It can only generate Destruction for One's SELF and surrounding....
Edward. |
Jedaiah
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 - 06:50 am: |
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Hey Edward, I'm aware of that too buddy. We're both right in our concerns. I suppose it's the way your post was worded gave some confusion.
Heh, bloody internet forums, right? :p |
Hawaiian
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 - 04:42 pm: |
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Mahigitam,
Only human beings are capable of "encasing" a spirit form which reincarnates in another personality once that material body decays and dies. It continues to incarnate in material body human beings until the spirit form evolves from its accumulated experiences and knowledge gained through many incarnations during a “normal” living environment without interferences (wars, religions) that span 40 to 60 million years.
It is this time period when the spirit no longer needs a material body for further development and no longer require incarnations and becomes half physical half material, just like what the High Council is presently at. The spirit form remains in this realm until it moves into the Arahat Athersata level the first of 7 pure spiritual levels until it becomes capable of creating more universes and things of nature. In order words, the spirit form needs a human being in order to initiate this progressive evolutionary stage from material to half material and complete the 7 stages of pure spiritual evolution in order for Creation to continue evolving forever.
Androids do not have a spirit form, they may have the capacity to think, reason and draw logical conclusions from their specific programming which is DEPENTENT upon their human creators. Therefore these androids are subjective in nature and have no free will determination or the seven sense as in human beings. It is very dangerous to incorporate such measures as free will and a spirit form into androids for it may decide one day to rebel and exterminate its human co-creators.
Probably the only avenue of interfacing these two important factors of free will and spiritual forms for artificial biogenetic life form is a hybrid of human-robotic creatures, which if not carefully monitored, can be very dangerous indeed at least for the material human population and to some extent, depending on its access to the seventh sense of primary telepathy and especially the highest form of spiritual telepathy become a danger to all. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 03:00 am: |
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Only human beings are capable of "encasing" a spirit form which reincarnates in another personality once that material body decays and dies. It continues to incarnate in material body human beings until the spirit form evolves from its accumulated experiences and knowledge gained through many incarnations during a “normal” living environment without interferences (wars, religions) that span 40 to 60 million years.
{ Comment: Wars and conflicts are ‘normal’ occurances of lowely developed human races and quite unavoidable during evolution.
It is this time period when the spirit no longer needs a material body for further development and no longer require incarnations and becomes half physical half material, just like what the High Council is presently at. The spirit form remains in this realm until it moves into the Arahat Athersata level the first of 7 pure spiritual levels until it becomes capable of creating more universes and things of nature.
{ Comment: Incorrect, the spiritform is at no point capable of creating more universes or things of nature, the spiritform evolves through the pure spiritlevels towards the universal-consciousness Creation and becomes one with it. Only the universal-consciousness Creation is capable of creating a universe (its own universe, which is basically its external body), or the Ur-Creation which is the only Creation-form who creates new universal-consciousness Creations (up to 49).
In order words, the spirit form needs a human being in order to initiate this progressive evolutionary stage from material to half material and complete the 7 stages of pure spiritual evolution in order for Creation to continue evolving forever.
Androids do not have a spirit form, they may have the capacity to think, reason and draw logical conclusions from their specific programming which is DEPENTENT upon their human creators. Therefore these androids are subjective in nature and have no free will determination or the seven sense as in human beings. It is very dangerous to incorporate such measures as free will and a spirit form into androids for it may decide one day to rebel and exterminate its human co-creators.
{ Comment: Incorrect, Billy explains the exact opposite here:
http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/bulletin/2003/nr-44/leserfragen?page=0,4
A spiritform that incarnates into a new android brain is a new-spiritform with a overal-consciousness-block and personality.It is a new-spiritform and has with its personality no knowledge whatsoever and has to learn just like the human and his new-spiritform.The learning difference and method of androids compared to humans is that they take up by all sorts of knowledge by means of technical and suggestive learning processes in no time at all, which of course evolves the spirit form very quickly. When this basic-knowledge is given, the actual learning begins which goes on during its lifetime, just as with humans.
Probably the only avenue of interfacing these two important factors of free will and spiritual forms for artificial biogenetic life form is a hybrid of human-robotic creatures, which if not carefully monitored, can be very dangerous indeed at least for the material human population and to some extent, depending on its access to the seventh sense of primary telepathy and especially the highest form of spiritual telepathy become a danger to all.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Ferbon
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Post Number: 253
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 05:12 am: |
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Hawaiian
Where do you get all this info from? Most of it is made-up or distorted. The truth has already been written. Why do you make stuff up?
First of your claims: "...Only human beings are capable of "encasing" a spirit form" is nonsense and rest is in tune with it.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 660
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 09:55 am: |
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> Hawaiian,
As I recall, androids can and/or DO have spirit forms. |
Jedaiah
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 12:20 pm: |
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Androids can have spirit forms...
Hawaiian, where are you getting your information? Much of it seems distorted or confused with your own beliefs. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 661
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 12:25 pm: |
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> Hawaiian seems to have a near infinite capacity to ignore, distort and confuse the information specifically given by Meier about these things. Despite Meier addressing some of these things in the previous Q & A, Hawaiian blithely goes on his way with his contradictory information, imaginary "I-meet-ETs-in-my-dreams" and other bits of nonsense. |
Skyrim
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 06-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 03:07 pm: |
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Maybe he (Hawaiian) is doing this deliberately? Maybe he is a spook, on the CIA payroll?
phil |
Scott
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Post Number: 2386
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 05:15 pm: |
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Can we please get back on topic, Tnxs |
Hawaiian
Member
Post Number: 153
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 06:54 pm: |
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Who says the learning process should only be confined to your "own" set of rules which is none-the-less material in nature and very far from perfection? It is healty to stir the pot, Michael Horn's imagination is his problem, where did you get the notion of "ET's-in-my-dreams"?
You contridict yourself on a number of occassions and often act like a spoiled brat being concerned about missplaced " and '. Look at yourself first before judging others for all of you are far from perfect...at least I can thank Jacob for correcting the matter of andriod "spirit forms" if that is an actual quote from BEAM.
However Jacob fails to see the connection of BEING and creation of universes, every single part leading up to the creation of other universes plays an important role and are part of the process. Is it not true that creation is inclusive and not exclusive and merging is part of that process like how the female and male merges in the Petale level?
Only the sick in mind derives some sort of pleasure in deriding another like how Michael Horn conducts himself. |
Indi
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Post Number: 716
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 10:50 pm: |
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re Androids and spirit forms:
The article that was linked to a Leserfrage on this topic, is talking about androids developed at a sophisticated level by the Plejaren, and these do have spirit forms, but not a spirit form that would enliven a human being. On earth at this time I doubt there is an android/robot that is suitable or capable of supporting a spirit form.
As is explained in that answer, the spirit forms for each life form, including human being, android, animals and plants etc. remain in their own genus/species and do not cross to other genus/species.
Re Hawaiian and his posts:
Not everything Hawaiian posts is misinformed, distorted, confused or made-up etc.......
Clearly, Hawaiian is grateful to have been directed to that leserfrage to learn about this from Billy.
However, Hawaiian, you have been asked before to clearly distinguish between what are your ideas and knowledge about things, gained outside your study of the FIGU material (and it is evident that you have studied things and have gained insight from your studies), so that others can clearly see that you know the difference. You are still posting information that is mixing up what is presented by FIGU and that which is your interpretation of it, and also your own ideas from your own experience.
There is nothing wrong with presenting a counter comment to the FIGU material for discussion, and in fact is encouraged. However, this must be done with the view of for example, extending the views already presented in the FIGU material or to offer a contrast to create thinking processes, or even to just downright disagree with something in the material, and to discuss why.
So please, lets stop discussing the posters, and instead discuss what the poster is saying. If you disagree with something someone says, rather than attack them for not stating what is written in the FIGU material, instead use respectful logical argumentation rather than 'digs' at a person and their intention.
I ask you all to make the forum work by being respectful to those who have differing perspectives. Instead, offer your own which is all anyone can do.
But please, when it is your own, make that clear!!
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Jacob
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 06:42 am: |
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Hello Hawaiian,
The information I have provided is easily found on the German FIGU website:
http://www.figu.org/ch/search/node
You can type in the word “android” (without the quotes), plenty of results will come up in order for you to translate with Google translate and to study its results.
There is nothing against Hawaiian having his own views, but like everybody on this FIGU forum he should expect his views challenged at times.
When one analyses a statement like “Androids do not have a spirit form” then it basically says that an android has no spiritform at all, which is a totally different claim to (for example) “Androids do not have a human spiritform”, which is a correct statement.
Its a natural-creative law that every form of course-material life has its matching spiritform or spiritenergy; with other words, there is no course-material life which does not have its matching spiritform or spiritenergy.
This natural-creative law states that the material is the negative factor (while being a unity in itself), and the spiritual is the positive factor (while being also a unity in itself), forming a so-called hyper-unit.
The more complex life is, the higher developed is its spiritform and overall-consciousness-block.
In case of a Plejaren style android, their brains are very close, but not identical to Human brains, however it is advanced enough to incorporate a spiritform with its overall-consciousness-block with the same form of evolution as the human spiritform, namely evolution through the self-aware material-consciousness, even when its not a human spiritform, but very similar to it.
Human/Machine and Human/Animal hybrids:
It is different with so-called human/machine and human/animal hybrids which will come in to existence in the future, as long the important human parts like the brain and psyche are human, it is a defacto human and will carry a human spiritform. (Contact 251)
A cloned human brain with electronic enhancements is a human brain and carries a human spiritform, regardless if it contains electronic enhancements or not.
The word Android basically stems from the Greek root 'andros'- 'man' and the suffix ‘oid' having the form or likeness of'.
Basically there are no real androids here on Earth when measured to Plejaren and ET standards, there are only robots with a human like appearance, to my knowledge there does not exist a robot with human level intelligence on this planet as of yet.
The Earth human creations are still so primitive that they do not qualify remotely as (artificial) life and therefore do not have a spiritform.
Based on Earth human definition, the Plejaren style Android is a cybernetic organism, a human like being with both organic and cybernetic parts which compose out of biomaterials and bio-electronics.
Biomaterials: A biomaterial is any matter, surface, or construct that interacts with biological systems. As a science, biomaterials is about fifty years old. The study of biomaterials is called biomaterials science. It has experienced steady and strong growth over its history, with many companies investing large amounts of money into the development of new products. Biomaterials science encompasses elements of medicine, biology, chemistry, tissue engineering and materials science. (source: Wikipedia)
Bio-electronics: is a recently coined term for a field of research that works to establish a synergy between electronics and biology. One of the main forums for information about the field is the Elsevier journal Biosensors and Bioelectronics, published since 1990. The journal describes the scope of bioelectronics as follows:
The emerging field of Bioelectronics seeks to exploit biology in conjunction with electronics in a wider context encompassing, for example, biological fuel cells, bionics and biomaterials for information processing, information storage, electronic components and actuators. A key aspect is the interface between biological materials and micro- and nano-electronics. (source: Wikipedia)
This is what I want to sum up about the android topic.
As a last response: WHERE in the Spirit teaching can you show me about the connection of BEING and the creation of universes by spiritforms?
It has been clearly stated in the spirit teachings that the pure-spiritual levels are genderless, ergo positive and negative in perfect balance.
You don’t have to ‘believe’ my words, but I will provide a short quote from Petale in the book Dodekalog on page 10, verse 10 and 11.
German version
10. Meine Form unterliegt nicht mehr dem Positiven und Negativen, nicht mehr dem Männlichen und Weiblichen.
11. Meine Form ist die Ausgeglichenheit – das Geslechtslose.
English Translation:
10: My form no longer underlies the positive and negative, no more the masculine and feminine.
11. My form is the equalisedness – the genderless.
(translation aided by the figu.org/dict/ website)
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 08:10 pm: |
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I am still contemplating and pondering whether to participate any more in this forum, just no worth putting up with the abuse..but do appreciate both Indi's and Jacob's last comments. |
Votan
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 - 05:01 am: |
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Hawaiian
Do not be discouraged by the senseless critics who have no idea what they are talking about.
You have contributed good information to this forum. Please persevere a little bit longer.
joe
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Jedaiah
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 - 07:12 am: |
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Hawaiian,
Forgive my words if they may have come across as harsh or abusive. That is not the intention. I really don't want Billy's teachings to be distorted, and I guess, that was my concern. However, that does not mean one should be treated unfairly and perhaps these forums have not done a good job of respecting each individual human for who they are or their opinions.
Again, apologies and love to you, fellow human. |
Votan
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 02:03 am: |
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Edward
It seems that our DNA strands are influenced by the type of music we hear. When we hear that angry type music we react accordingly .
joe
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Corey
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Post Number: 376
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 09:30 am: |
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Votan,
I tend to shy away from the arguments that arise here on the forums, but I gotta say Robyn clearly voiced that Hawaiian needs to clearly separate what are his ideas from those that are from Billy's material to prevent distortions. She also clearly said that "Not everything Hawaiian posts is misinformed, distorted, confused or made-up etc.......". Clearly Hawaiian is learning, which is positive but if he could read German he would know after studying Zen Buddhism for so long (recent misc. disc on spirit teaching posting) that Billy calls today's Buddhism confused teachings (Irrlehre) and has said repeatedly there is no state such as Nirvana. The only form of Buddhism that comes close to Creational teachings is Pali Buddhism (355 contact) which is the undistorted Buddhism Buddha himself taught, passed onto 500 monks, which is based in Satipattana meditation method, which traces back to Nokodemion, which outside of the Theravada, which would require fluency in Pali and Sanskrit, would be hard to find today in an undistorted form, except for what Billy has written in German, once as a young lad.
Jacob also corrected Hawaiian's misinformation about androids which is available freely on FIGU's website if you can read German.
Correction of Hawaiian or anyone else's misinformation and distortions should be expected on this forum, if anything to preserve and distribute information regarding the teaching to other non-German English only students of this forum in an un-distorted form. To preserve the original texts is ultimately one of the multi-generational missions of the core group and this is their forums so it is all of our responsibility to cooperate.
To call the posters on this thread senseless critics is just plain senseless for they are preserving the preserveable.
Hawaiian is as welcome on this forum as anyone else, and when corrected should not take it so personal, we are all learning here. If someone who reads German corrects someone who does not, they are just trying to help out because they are aware of the language barrier issues. That is all they are trying to do. If Hawaiian can't consult the German texts directly then remaining open to correction by those that do is in his best interest if he wants to gain more knowledge. I have shared information with him from the original German before using the forums, and he has always remained open to it, maybe it was just everybody's tone.
FYI: anyone interested in Meditation will never learn un-distorted meditation unless you learn German and read Billy's meditation books. The attention meditation (aka Satipattana method) which teaches self-discipline, self-control, and self-responsibility, is millions, if not billions of years old, traces back to Nokodemion, and was spread around the universes by Henok. (origin of Satipatthana-meditations-method pamphlet/pg 6 for Henok information)
Billy said in the Q & A if you want to learn meditation:
1. learn German first
2. study the books
3. practice meditation
-his words, not mine.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Edward
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Post Number: 2729
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 01:36 am: |
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Hi Hawaiian...
Just STAY on this board!
We are at this Discussion Board: to....Discus!!
This(/you) is what makes it all very interesting. We all have our own ideas
and Knowledge of certain aspects, and which we can share with each other;
either, anyone likes it or not. So, we are here, to exchange THOUGHTS, and we
all SHOULD Respect this. This is part of Creational SEEKING!! And, act as
Adults.
I do not mind, you staying. You have very interesting insights, which can
trigger a certain subject, it being True or not. Like we all do. And, if we
do not agree, we should NOT mock each other. We can not know everything about Creation in just this one life time. So, you are not doing that bad as you may thing you are. So: JUST STAY!!
Edward. |
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