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    Earthling Member Post Number: 734 Registered: 05-2008 |
Votan - your comments ring of sectarian teachings remaining embedded in your consciousness. Not to get into the other illogic of the statements you wrote, but what are you referring to as "the creator"? Salome, Bruce | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hello Votan, You are really need to study the aspects about homosexuality, since it is a natural occurrence, besides a creator does not exist, only the universal-consciousness Creation. The creator is just a figment of imagination, and a bad one at that. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hello, Celesco, I will try to give you a comprehensive explanation from the spirit teaching in this, as far as my knowledge goes (it very well may cover things you already know) There are several forms of homosexuality, a naturally occurring one, and a form of sodomistic homosexuality that is generated by degenerate thoughts and feelings. 1. The naturally occurring one is a male homosexuality which occurs as a naturally (=as in nature), genetic variation which causes male homosexual behavior. This is called a naturally occurring 'unnatural' form of sexual orientation. Its natural because its a genetic variation which occurs fully naturally and thereby does not break any natural-creative laws or recommendation, its unnatural in the sole sense that it cannot lead to pro-creation. When two men engage in intercourse they can do what they want as long as it does not break any natural-creative law, which means no physical harm, psychological harm, animal or child abuse occurs. (with this knowledge one can review if certain sexual acts involving physical pain done by heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual couples is in line with the creational laws or not) 2. The unnatural variation is caused by malformed thoughts and feelings which reach into sodomistic desires and wishes, which also includes intercourse with animals (this is the cause of AIDS because of acts of these kinds of degenerate homosexual / bisexual males), etc. At the moment the following seems a bit far off, but because of the progressing genetic sciences, it will be possible that a male could be genetically modified to give birth to children, which is in any case and without exceptions a form of (gene) sodomy, so when male and male come together in this way and would beget children its an absolute act against nature and a blatant violation of the natural creative laws and recommendations. A little bit more information: The naturally occurring male homosexuality is not a choice, its what a male is when he is born that way, there is nothing wrong with this. There will come a time when it is possible to correct this genetic variation, and therefore change the homosexual orientation to heterosexual, this happens on Erra amongst the Plejarens as well, however SOLELY if it desired to do so, this is never enforced on Erra. Factual: male homosexuality is not a true sexuality, its a mutual male genital stimulation and coming together, this does not devalue it in any way, its just different. The true definition of a sexual act is when conceiver(+) and bearer(-) come together in an sexual-creational act which may lead to offspring. This means that when male and female come together and..female and female come together in a sexual act. Women are in fact at the same time conceiver and bearer, since its possible that when two women sleep together, a state in the psyche of either one of the females can be generated to become pregnant, which is a form of autogamy (as explained by Petale in the book Genesis), this is extremely rare, but its a natural given safe-guard of nature, so that a human race does not have to become extinct. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 12-2011 |
Earthling What is your point . Sectarian teaching has nothing to do with it. Natural logic is more to the point. It is wrong, homosexuality is wrong. joe | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 02-2013 |
Votan/Joe, The spirit teaching contradicts your opinion, so does Florena's words in Contact 331, december 16th 2002: Florena: "Homosexualität ist eine natürliche Widernatürlichkeit und kann sowohl genbedingt wie anerzogen sein. Aber das weisst du ja. Natürlich gibt es das auch bei uns, wie unter allen menschlichen Lebensformen. Doch ist es so, dass auf Wunsch eine Homosexualität, wenn es sich um eine Genbedingtheit handelt, behoben und neutralisiert und der Zustand der Hetero-Sexualität hergestellt werden kann.Wird das aber nicht gewünscht, dann wird das akzeptiert und geachtet, denn bei uns herrschen keine Diskriminierungen vor in bezug dieser Belange. Und finden sich gleichgeschlechtliche Paare in einer Lebensgemeinschaft zusammen, dann ist das absolut des Rechtens und entspricht also auch unserer Ordnung, denn jegliche Form des Lebens muss geachtet werden, ganz gleich, wie sie auch immer in irgendeiner Beziehung geartet ist." Rough translation: Florena: "Homosexuality is a natural-unnatural occurrence which can be both genetic as acquired. But of course you know this. Of course this happens also with us and all other human life. However, when its wished, genetic homosexuality can be treated and neutralized and a state of heterosexuality can be created. If this is not desired, then that is accepted and respected, because with us there is no discrimination in these matters. And if there are same-sex couples in a community together, then that is absolutely justified and also corresponds to our order, for any form of life must be respected, no matter how its nature is." Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 12-2011 |
Jacob It does not matter what you call it. Homosexuality is against nature. Why do we have a male and female. Get rid of female and homosexuality stops as there is no more creation. joe | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 363 Registered: 01-2009 |
Votan Your prejudice towards fellow human beings is wrong. Has a homosexual person ever attacked you sexually? If no then there is truly no basis for your hatred. Homosexuality is natural in that the causes for homosexuality is a confusion on a persons consciousness regarding sex or it is within the genes. Therefore are you saying the Creation has made a mistake with its laws? Where is your love, peace, freedom and harmony with your attacks on persons who choose to live a sexual life which seems normal to them? Another reality is that you could of been homosexual in a previous reincarnation or could be even in a future one. How would you feel if someone you never did any wrong to starts attacking you because of the person you choose as a sexual partner? Salome www.ufofacts.me.uk - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 735 Registered: 05-2008 |
Joe, If homosexuality was wrong, why did the creator create it? Where is the 'natural logic' that homosexuality is wrong? There is no explanation with your statement much less any logic or natural logic. The fact is that homosexuality exists in nature in the animal as well as the insect kingdoms. Salome, Bruce | ||
Celesco New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2013 |
Indi, your translation of the original German text, while perhaps containing errors, is sufficient to bring the matter to a successful resolution in my mind. For that, I am immensely grateful. Additionally, I have often thought that 'whoring', as well as the exchange of derogatory insults during acts of sexual gratification, are both intensely harmful to the human's psyche, albeit I had originally equated such acts as being resulting from anal- or oral-sexual stimulation, rather than from their true source of origin in degenerate, feeling-based impulses. Now I can comprehend that such acts are of a separate, degenerate nature and are based on the thoughts and feelings, which encourage a human, in his or her destructive manner of thinking, to treat the other human as no more than an instrument of physical and egotistical pleasure instead of as a being with whom he or she may identify with, and thereby act in a playful, and unrestricted, sexual manner toward - acts through which no harm is caused because anal or oral-penetrative insertion, on their own, do not carry any destructive consequences. Therefore, I am able to comprehend that an act of anal- or oral-sexual stimulation, as well as all acts of sexual stimulation, when performed with a partner whom the human is bonded to by the ties of real, genuine love, is akin to the playful exploration of the human's body and sensations that breeds a stronger, loving tie. Does this explanation align in accordance with your thoughts on the matter of degenerate sexual acts as compared to natural acts? | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 12-2011 |
Bruce, the creator did not create it. He gave us free will and the free will says it is wrong. It exists in nature because as you know nature has no free will. Free will is the brain that humans have to distinguish between right and wrong. We can differ on this subject for centuries and it does not change the fact that it is wrong. You can throw all the arguments you like, but it is still wrong. So let us leave it that. joe | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 02-2013 |
Votan, This will probably upset you, but are you aware that there is scientific proof of connection between homophobia and suppressed homosexual tendencies? Fortunately, we do have data -- real scientific data. There have been scientific studies which reveal strong links between being homophobic and harboring repressed homosexual urges or desires. This doesn't mean that every homophobic bigot is trying to repressed their own homosexuality, but it does make it a legitimate possibility and might be more common than is currently believed. http://www.livescience.com/19563-homophobia-hidden-homosexuals.html I am not saying this applies to you, but you should ponder your reasons for your unfounded and illogical homophobia. I would suggest a neutral position and think why you feel this way even when there is overwhelming evidence from clear reasoning and the spirit teaching that your views do not confirm with reality. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 04-2011 |
G'day Folks The Wisdom Of The Creation! all things have a reason and purpose Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hello everyone, Others have done a very good job explaining what the spiritual teaching has to say about homosexuality. There are few things I would also like to clarify. These things have to do with the difference between the old Talmud Jmmanuel as incorrectly translated into German by Isa Rashid and Billy's corrected 2011 version (with the aid of the pure spirit level Arahat Athersata). The following is my summary with my translations (which may contain errors) of specific items (to prevent any personal bias being seen, some of my translations are also presented - in italic - with the original German text - in green/italic - for verification). As always it is highly recommended that you learn the German language and read and acquire a more correct understanding from the original German text. The Talmud Jmmanuel (2011 version) by judas Ischkerioth can be ordered at: https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/talmud-jmmanuel?language=en . Specifically I'll refer to Chapter 12 of the Talmud Jmmanuel by Judas Ischkerioth (2011) (pages 103 – 114). I will do this summary with my translations (which may contain errors) mainly as a comparison between the older versions and this new version which now contains many corrections and additions with detailed explanations by Billy. I do this to help share information for those truly interested in learning what has been shared in the Spiritual Teaching as I have no desire to change anyone's set attitude or beliefs based in religious, sectarian and philosophical belief forms/systems. - In the older versions of the Talmud, the reference was made to "laws of marriage and related topics", in the newer version it is referred to as the "alliance of connectedness between a woman and man and all its other kinds", the primary subject of what Jmmanuel spoke of in Chapter 12 of the Talmud Jmmanuel (2011). It is in reference to 'alliances of connectedness' (alliance bonds) (which also include marriage bonds) that the Spiritual Teaching / Creational-natural laws and recommendations are based when explaining interpersonal bonding relationships which are not restricted to male-female alliances of connectedness (alliance bonds). New in corrected Talmud Jmmanuel (2011): 5. And Jmmanuel also talked about the laws and recommendations of alliances, that will be given as words of honor (word of honor, promise, vow, pledge, obligation, commitment, etc.), thus it is an obligation (duty) that it will be followed (fulfilled, will be kept). 5. Und Jmmanuel redete auch über die Gesetze und Gebote des Bündnisses, das als Worte der Ehre (Ehrenwort, Versprechen, Gelübde, Gelöbnis, Verpflichtung, Verbindlichkeit usw.) gegebet werdet, also es Obliegenheit (Pflicht) seie, dass es befolget werdet (erfüllt, eingehalten wird). – Two primary punishments were defined for those breaking the alliance of connectedness (marriage bond) and commit fornication. Breaking/ending an alliance of connectedness (alliance bond) 6. Will be, however, against the given word of honor violated (it is contravened), should for it a justifiable (appropriate/ commensurate) prosecution (punishment, measure regulation, damage settlement, etc.), for each in accordance with the disadvantages or harm or loss as something arising out of the alliance, consequently it will be broken. 6. Werdet aber gegen das gegebete Wort der Ehre verstosset (wird ihm zuwidergehandelt), solle dafür sein eine fügliche (angemessene) Belangung (Ahndung, Massregelung, Schadensbegleichung usw.), je gemesset nach dem Nachteile oder Leide oder Verluste, wie etwas aus dem Bündnis hervorgehet, allso es gebrechet werdet. The second punishment deals more specifically with breaking Creational Laws of connectedness Billy's Explanation: A woman is separated from men (Entmannung/men-less) and a man is separated from women (Entweibung/women-less) does not mean how that is by today's sense understood as a castration, etc., but rather at the time of the old prophets from the Nokodemion-lineage was thus solely and alone a segregation from society in a banishment-based kind and wise meaning, whereby this could be for a certain shorter or longer time or under certain circumstances lifelong. Entmannung und Entweibung bedeutet nicht, wie das nach heutigem Sinn verstanden wird, eine Kastration usw., sondern zur Zeit der wahren alten Propheten aus der Nokodemion-Linie war damit einzig und allein eine Aussonderung aus der Gesellschaft in verbannungsmässiger Art und Weise gemeint, wobei diese für eine bestimmte kürzere oder längere Zeit oder unter Umständen lebenslang sein konnte. This meant two separate places of banishment, one for men only and another for women only (segregation in a place of fulfilment of guidelines). The punishable items include: - Whoever the alliance of connectedness (marriage bond) between woman (wife) and man (husband) break (adultery) and commits fornication - man and women laying together in lovelessness and ignominy (fornication/prostitution) - man and man laying together for generation of descendants in the male body through gene manipulation/gender transformation. - women or men doing sexual enticement for fornication (fornicate = being themselves as a whore or whore-boy) -The woman can be with regard to gender, respectfully, sexual acts to be bisexual, so therefore a same-gender love (lesbianism) as well as also exercise sexual acts (sexual intercourse between man and woman = heterosexual). A woman that is marital joined to a man (husband), then she not only can have a gender relationship with another woman, if at all, however, should also cultivate an appropriate sexual relationship with her man (husband). Will be in the course of this by the woman that sexuality with the man (husband) is disregarded, respectfully, not cultivated, but rather only the same-gender relationship with another woman ... This law applies equally for the man when he the sexual obligation with regard to his woman (wife) is not fulfilled, but rather only exercises with other women (with heterosexuality) or only with another man (with bisexuality). - Which human however commits fornication for the sake of pay or pleasure - Which man or which woman however, a child bed with (have sexual intercourse with) - Which human however, practices incest (sexual, sexual intercourse between close blood relatives = incest), whether woman or man - Which human however, an animal or creature bed (sodomy) - Which human themselves however, marries one divorced, man or woman, in guilt of Gewalt (with themselves one marries) - When a man fathers a child and the woman is not espoused (is not married to him )and that leaves unespoused (does not marry or does not enter any other life alliance with them) and does not provide for the woman and child, ... that he however compensation (satisfaction) pay for the child , until it is outgrown (is of legal age) from earnings worked and for the child support [alimony] must be paid) Not to be punished because they do not violate the Creational laws: -two women in gender attraction (female homosexuality) - man and woman in love and free (unbound) companionship (comradeship) and in dedication (love for the next one) and also in confidence (in intimacy) in gender attraction (sexually, heterosexually) --------------- Billy's Explanation: ... The sexual behaviour is a purely personal and private matter of the humans in which no one of the others has to interfere, and certainly also not the authorities and state powers, as however also not religious fanatics, sect bosses, gurus, the pope or others. And what two with each other connected humans do concerning sexual behaviour also always is all alone their matter and indeed irrespective of as the whole thing is also taken naturally when the rights as well as the thoughts and feelings and all that belong together of both partners' sides are respected and fulfilled. And in this sense the sexual life is also a form that for evolution belongs to evolution because by it the sexual behaviour will not only be an act of pure desire fulfilment and generation of the descendants but also a valuable act effecting more evolutionary true love where it then in this process actually also finds its fulfilment. ... Das Sexualverhalten ist dabei eine rein individuelle und private Angelegenheit des Menschen, in die keiner dem andern dreinzureden hat, und zwar auch nicht die Behörden und Staatsmächtigen, wie aber auch nicht Religionsfanatiker, Sektenbosse, Gurus, der Papst oder andere. Und was zwei miteinander verbundene Menschen in bezug auf das Sexualverhalten auch immer tun, ist ganz allein deren Sache, und zwar ganz gleich, wie das Ganze auch geartet ist, wenn die Rechte sowie die Gedanken und Gefühle und alles Zusammengehörende beider Partnerseiten geachtet und erfüllt werden. Und in diesem Sinn ist das Sexualleben auch eine Form, die zur Evolution gehört, weil dadurch das Sexualverhalten nicht nur zu einem Akt reiner Lusterfüllung und der Nachkommenschaftszeugung wird, sondern auch zu einem wertvollen Akt effectiv evolutiver, wahrer Liebe, worin sie dann in dieser Weise tatsächlich auch ihre Erfüllung findet. ----------------- Incorrectly translated by Isa Rashid in previous versions of the Talmud Jmmanuel Chapter 12: OLD Talmud #6 - And if two men bed down with each other, then they shall be punished, for those fallible are undignified of life and its laws and behave heretically; thus they shall be emasculated, expelled and banished before the people CORRECTED NEW Talmud #8. Lay down (bed) together themselves however two men each other against nature (against nature homosexual for generation of descendants in the male body through gene manipulation), then they should be surrendered over to the matters places (courts), because the fallible ones are unworthy of life and its laws and act against it, so they should be men-less and expelled and banished before the people (segregation in a place of fulfilment of guidelines). 8. Legen (schlafen) sich aber zwei Mannen einander wider die Natur (widernatürlich homosexuell zur Zeugung von Nachkommenschaft im männlichen Leib durch Genmanipulation) zusammen, dann solleten sie den Dingstätten (Gerichten) überantwortet sein, denn die Fehlbaren seien des Lebens und dessen Gesetzen unwürdig und handelen dagegen, also sie entmannet sein solleten und ausgestosset und verbannet vor dem Volke (Aussonderung an einen Massnahmeerfüllungsort). Billy's explanation: The man can himself not be bearing, respectfully, he can not be pregnant and also not any descendants bear. Should he however, undertake steps, such as through gene manipulation or gender transformation, etc. (this whole thing does not concern hermaphrodites, respectfully, two-gendered [called 'transsexual'] that can operationally as woman transform themselves, because in them the female is more pronounced than the male), will , through a sexual act, be capable of conceiving and of child-bearing, then violates, in this outrageous process, against the creational-natural laws. As guilt bearer in this form they are for a lifetime in a remote place which will be segregated out of society. And in equal measure it is given to be if a man or a woman themselves sexually, respectfully, sodomistically with other life forms, respectfully, with animals and creatures, joins sexually. ... Der Mann kann selbst nicht gebärend sein, resp. er kann nicht geschwängert werden und auch keine Nachkommenschaft gebären. Unternimmt er aber Schritte, wie z.B. durch Genmanipulation oder Geschlechtsumwandlung usw. (das Ganze betrifft dabei nicht Zwitter resp. Zweigeschlechtliche [<transsexuelle> genannt], die sich operativ zur Frau umformen lassen, weil bei ihnen das Weibliche ausgeprägter ist als das Männliche), um durch eine sexuelle Handlung empfängnisfähig und gebärfähig zu werden, dann verstösst das in frevlerischer Weise wider die schöpferisch-natürlichen Gesetze. Als Schuldbarer in dieser Form soll er auf Lebenszeit an einen abgelegenen Ort aus der Gesellschaft ausgesondert werden. Und gleichermassen soll es gegeben sein, wenn ein Mann oder eine Frau sich geschlechtlich resp. sodomistisch mit anderen Lebensformen resp. mit Tieren und Getier geschlechtlich vereinigt. ... ...The 'Talmud Jmmanuel' and also the spiritual teaching differentiate between gender (geschlechtlichem) intercourse and sexual (sexuellem) intercourse, therefore gender intercourse is only among same-gendered ones, however a sexual act can only be exercised by different-gendered ones, respectfully, between man and woman. Repeated thus the following may be explained: the man undertakes steps e.g. gene manipulation or gender transformation without being two-gendered, respectfully, being a pronounced female hermaphrodite, etc., will come about through a sexual act to be fertile capable and capable of child-bearing then violates in an outrageous way... ...Der <talmud> und auch die Geisteslehre differieren zwischen geschlechtlichem Verkehr und sexuellem Verkehr, demzufolge geschlechtlicher Verkehr nur unter Gleichgeschlechtlichen, ein sexueller Akt jedoch nur durch Verschiedengeschlechtlichkeit resp. zwischen Mann und Frau ausgeübt werden kann. Wiederholt sei also folgendes erklärt: Unternimmt der Mann Schritte, wie z.B. durch Genmanipulation oder Geschlechtsumwandlung ohne zweigeschlechtlich resp. ein ausgeprägter weiblicher Zwitter zu sein usw., um durch eine sexuelle Handlung empfängnisfähig und gebärfähig zu werden, dann verstösst das in frevlerischer Weise... WAS: Old Talmud #8 - When inseminator and inseminator join together, life is desecrated and destroyed... CORRECTED New Talmud #12 - Since themselves inseminator and inseminator join together for generation of descendants, then life will be desecrated and killed, but since conceiver and conceiver join together there is neither desecrated nor killed nor conceived, because the conceiver is also the bearer. 12. Da sich Besamung und Besamung zur Zeugung von Nachkommenschaft zusammentuet, da werdet das Leben geschändet und getötet, da sich aber Empfängnis und Empfängnis zusammentuet, da werdet weder geschändet noch getötet, noch gezeuget, denn die Empfängnis ist auch das Gebärende. Billy's Explanation When a human, man or woman, will be divorced due to being guilty of Gewalt, then that means, that in the marriage from one or the other side Gewalt prevailed, respectfully, that the marriage partner treated, their female marriage partner (wife) or their male marriage partner (husband), violently (gewalttätig), respectfully, beaten and mistreated, etc. Such a violent (gewalttätig) behavior in a marriage or another same-alliance partnership is unworthy of human beings... Wenn ein Mensch, Mann oder Weib, infolge Schuld der Gewalt geschieden wird, dann bedeutet das, dass in der Ehe von der einen oder andern Seite Gewalt herrscht, resp. dass der Ehepartner seine Ehepartnerin oder diese ihren Gatten gewalttätig behandelt resp. verprügelt und traktiert usw. Ein solches gewalttätiges Verhalten in einer Ehe oder sonstig bündnisgleichen Partnerschaft ist menschenunwürdig... from Chapter 5 - Billy's Explanation: Your own husband, respectively, your own wife is to be understood the same as any other alliance relationship and connection, while also it should be noted that anyone who outside of such an alliance in pure sexual lust breaks the marriage alliance or similar alliance relationship, respectively, connection, commits a marriage-, respectively, alliance- respectively, connection- breakage. Such an action corresponds according to the 'Teachings of the Prophets' as female and male whoring, respectively, prostitution. In this regard it relates to both the evil of 'one-night-stand' (sex for one night), as well as other casual sex acts, paedophilia, generally sexual abuse of wards as well as rape and sodomy (sexual acts with animals and beast). Der eigene Gemahl resp. die eigene Gemahlin ist wie jede andere bündnisgleiche Beziehung und Verbindung zu verstehen, wobei auch zu beachten ist, dass wer ausserhalb eines solchen Bündnisses in reiner sexueller Lust das Ehebündnis oder die bündnisgleiche Beziehung resp. Verbindung bricht, begeht einen Ehe- resp. Bündnis- resp. Verbindungsbruch. Ein solches Tun entspricht gemäss der 'Lehre der Propheten' der weiblichen und männlichen Hurerei resp. Prostitution. In dieser Beziehung betrifft es sowohl das Übel des 'One-night-stand' (Sex für eine Nacht), wie aber auch sonstige Gelegenheits-Sexhandlungen, Pädophilie, allgemein sexueller Missbrauch von Schutzbefohlenen sowie Vergewaltigung und Sodomie (sexuelle Handlungen mit Tieren und Getier). -------My Final Comment ---- A final note the Old Talmud Jmmanuel Chapter 12 contained 35 verses, the New corrected Talmud Jmmanuel Chapter 12 contains 50 verses with much greater detail relating to the subjects 'alliance of connectedness' (alliance bonds) and sexual relationships as well as detailed explanations from Billy. Sorry for the length of this summary with translations but I have included what I thought was necessary for the current discussion. ------- Hope this helps. Salome PatM | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 12-2011 |
Stephen _ moore I am not prejudiced where the hell did you get that info. It is not natural regarding of what you quote to justify it. Love, peace, freedom and harmony has nothing to do with it. I am not attacking anybody and I was not that in my previous life. Each to their own. joe | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 05-2011 |
Homosexuality is confusion and sick in mind, even Billy says that and to confirm it ask yourself this question, why is homosexuality not evident in the spiritual realms from the A.A. up to the 6th level where spirit forms are either male or female that is finally merged as one, Being a sexless spirit form at the 7th and final level of the Petale before evolving into the Absolute BEING in order to create? Confusion cannot exist in the pure spiritual realms maybe its illogical there so why should homosexuality be logical in the material realm when its not logical in the spiritual realm or for that matter for the incarnated spirit in the material world? | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 12-2011 |
Jacob It does not matter what they say, after all they are also human. Who cares that they tolerate it. joe | ||
Celesco Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2013 |
I have found further explanation of the matter by Billy, who has possibly written, or been translated (in clarification of the AIDs issue, which is: "There are many people, even scientists, on this planet who are claiming things which are silly and untrue. And there are false claims and beliefs about the origin of the AIDS disease. Btw: AIDS originated in Africa when men practised sodomy (Sodomie [German] = sexual acts with animals) with green monkeys, through which the virus was able to enter the human metabolism and mutating into the deadly form." So, truly, the degenerate, sodomitic homosexual behaviour is referring to sex with animals and not anal- or oral-sexual gratification among humans of the same species. Nevertheless, I have observed that it is important to consider affective love, and effective love, while copulating, otherwise a false form of love may easily arise due to the intimate nature of sexual stimulation. However, I feel that I am able to safely conclude that an act of sexual gratification among two human men, or two human women, does not represent a degeneration in the adherence to Creational laws if such an act of sexual stimulation is performed within the freedom of true love. I will, again, condense my inquiry for Billy - though I thought it prudent to share my thoughts. (Also, it is apparent to me now that the word 'sodomy', which in English refers to any act that is not penile-vaginal penetration - in its German form, in fact, refers specifically to sexual acts between a human and an animal. Therefore, I was confused because I did not possess the ability to know the true thought contained in the message because I do not comprehend the language as it generates thought-forms in German instead of English.) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2009 |
Votan, I noticed you referred to your "creator" as a male, how typical of a cult-religious god-delusion. Then again it really takes an open mind, intellect, and rationality to come to terms with a unifying life-force giver such as the universal consciousness Creation that animates and powers everything with life-giving energy, instead of a barbaric personified supreme deity that governs mankind's fate and created everything in 7 days, even though new galaxies and star systems are created all the time through natural processes. Only being neutral can help you fight your religious impulses, but first you would have to want to try and overcome them. You must not have seen the comment I made to you earlier on this thread that the striking down of the Defence of Marriage Act (DOMA) by the US supreme court and the ratification of gay marriage in so many US states must really tear you up huh? The energies from the Milky Way galaxie's central sun are hitting this planet and causing evolution, and in with the new (evolution) and out with the old barbaric oppressive ways of doing things, with a full apex from the years 2029-3999. Those that cannot keep up may suffer inner conflict as the world changes around them (hint hint). -Let me present the facts the way many of us free-willed and studying forum posters see them. Billy writes that Homosexuality is a natural unnaturalness, valid, and lawful/congruent within the laws and recommendations of Creation, as long as there is no abuse, sodomy, prostitution, or male child-bearing (which so many of us already knew), Votan says Homosexuality is wrong and goes against the "creator's" plan of free will for mankind, w/o offering a logical argument as to why it is wrong other then referring to a "creator" and that it is wrong. Who precisely do you think those of us that study the material are going to respect precisely whose comments on the matter? I'll leave this as an open ended question. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 738 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hawaiian - "Homosexuality is confusion and sick in mind, even Billy says that ..." Please provide a link where Billy says precisely that. Your comment -""Homosexuality is confusion and sick in mind," is pretty hysterical and indicative of living under a rock. With any luck and hard work, some day you will simply be embarrassed that you ever wrote such nonsense. Salome, Bruce | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hawaiian, What you state is incorrect, even the new-spirit is perfectly balanced between positive and negative, its absolutely genderless, this also goes for the human spiritform and every pure spiritform, from the level of Arahat Athersata to Petale. If the spirit had a gender then a 'male' spirit cannot incarnate in a female body and vice versa. Sexuality and gender does NOT exist in the spiritual realms, only in the material existence. Gender is strictly for most material life (except single cell organisms), etc. It has been explained by several people here on the FIGU forum that there is a naturally occurring homosexuality, this is explained by Billy many times over, including in the updated Genesis where the spiritform-collective PETALE transmitted more detailed information about homosexuality in June/July 2010. This can be read on pages 162-164 of the updated Genesis published in 2012. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2013 |
Votan, You entitled to your own opinion, although your opinion does not change that reality is different then you want it to be. Reality is not a box of chocolates where you can pick out the ones you like and leave the ones you hate because you dont like the taste. The information is presented to you and Hawaiian, its up to you both to think logically about it and come to a neutral conclusion. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hawaiian Thank you but be careful you are going to be shot down. Everybody has the right to express their thoughts without criticised harshly. joe | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 04-2011 |
I found this on the figu forum and it was so good i saved it in a txt file i read often Love is the absolute certainty to live and exist yourself in all existence: In the fauna and Flora, with your fellow human, with every material and spiritual lifeform regardless which form they belong to, and in existence of the whole Universe and above.Jakobjn Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. |
