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Corey
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Post Number: 451
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 09:32 am: | 
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Ilovebilly,
that is a translation from a phrase that appears in German in Billy's book "law of love", a phrase that is worth contemplating indeed. There is a "long-form" of the phrase and explanation found on page 4. The book also has laws towards the back like Patm posted from the TJ 2011 edition. Laws regarding engagement, marriage, love, child-bearing, divorce, lots of good stuff in there for our planet to some century put into implementation.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 132
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2013 - 02:15 am: |
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Jacob,
Sorry but I do not understand what you are getting at.
What has this to do with chocolates.
The info is one persons conclusion and it does not mean that it is correct.
joe
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 133
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2013 - 02:34 am: |
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Corey.
I do not remember saying that the creator is male.
All I said is that we have males and females on this planet.
You can believe what you like I am just expressing my thoughts on the subject.
If the story is true about why the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed then I stand corrected.
joe
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 134
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2013 - 02:19 am: |
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Earthling
To you it might sound nonsense but to others it does not.
It does not matter how you justify and how many times you quote other people.
joe
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Jacob
Member
Post Number: 91
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2013 - 08:12 am: |
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Votan,
Its a metaphor that the spirit teaching can contain things you don't like but still are reality, regardless if you accept it or not.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2409
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2013 - 04:47 pm: |
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Votan,
You stated:
"the creator did not create it. He gave us free will and the free will says it is wrong."
You did state the Creator is male?
Scott |
Jacob
Member
Post Number: 92
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 04:41 pm: |
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A good reminder ilovebilly,
I want to add the following to this (taken from my old post in the spiritual terminology section):
Love, The Law of: Love is a creational law.
Love is absolute certainty of oneself living and existing in everything that exists: In fauna and flora, in the fellow-human being, in each material and spiritual life form of any kind, and in the existence of the entire universe and beyond it.
Love in its essential definition means this:
To feel absolute certainty that one lives in all existent in absolute certainty and absolute feeling that the existence of the others is a part-existence of ones own existence, regardless if its a plant, spiritform, an animal, a planet, a rock or a fellow human being.
Love is the absolute certainty and the absolute knowledge and the absolute feeling and the absolute grasping, that ALL life is a part of ones own life, while everything is a whole-us-collective (Gesamt-wir-form) in ur-alltime BEING of all existence and only can exist in knowing and sensing of Love als whole-existence.
Love is the absolute knowledge and feeling, the absolute sensing and joint living in unity in ur-identical form with all existent life in all whole-universal form and beyond that, in the absolute wisdom, that ones own existence is a part-existence of all other existent lifeforms, which are on their turn a part of ones own existence, and that all whole-universal lifeforms just exist because of this reason.
Love contains/holds within a logicality (Folgerichtigkeit), in other words: logicality lies in love, because love has a cause and an effect.
Love is created from causal factors, from what logicality results (depending on the love form and love intensity).
Besides love, that which is spiritual and consciousness-related also has a certain logical development = logicality.
Logic brings a certain effect from a cause, and this effect is cause for the next effect, etc.
Love is a creational and "empfindungsgeprägtes" element. Logic is founded in creational laws (Gesetzmässigkeiten). Logic includes causality (cause and effect) and growing and passing away (Werden und Vergehen).
Every principle of the Creation, the universe and all its lifeforms are founded in the The Law of Love. Love is the founding principle of ALL principles. Every other principle is classified under the principles of Time, Space and Spirit.
So love can only be existent in the principles of Time, Space and Spirit, which are the foundations for Love.
This means that love, spirit, time and space can’t be seen apart form each other and form an indivisible unity.
There are 4 (four) main loveforms, although love knows many variants:
1. Bindinglove (Love in a marriage, monogamist and polygamist union)
2. Platoniclove (love between people without sex, friendship)
3. Universallove (love for everything, regardless material or spiritual)
4. Brotherly/Sisterly love (love for a 'stranger' to help without any personal gain and without any judging)
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Earthling
Member
Post Number: 739
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2013 - 01:48 pm: |
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Joe, I haven't quoted anyone.
And you still have not answered what is the creator?
Nor have you explained why 'homosexuality is wrong'?
Feel free to explain your statements.
Salome,
Bruce
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Celesco
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2013 - 04:24 pm: |
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It is said accurately that one human cannot convince another human of anything; furthermore, the topic has reached a successful resolution, so let the topic alone, those of you who would insult Votan and insinuate that he is a bigot or other defacing character. Find solace in the knowledge that all truth will eventually be revealed, and let those who wish to state their true opinion do so freely, in order to embody the true love and peace that will set us all free, collectively, from all forms of spiritual bondage when the time is appropriate. |
Votan
Member
Post Number: 135
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 12:10 am: |
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Celesco
Thank you for those wonderful words.
joe
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Ilovebilly
Member
Post Number: 273
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 04:28 am: |
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G'day Jacob
thanks,
where you Jakobjn ? i thought Jakobjn posted it?
i was also recently looking at your old nic phaetonsfire post #7
great post, i might have some questions about later and maybe its good to mention it again on forum
Thanks Corey
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Jacob
Member
Post Number: 93
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 05:03 am: |
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Hello Celesco,
Your right when you say that another person cannot convince another person of anything, only his logic can do that; it means nevertheless that a person should be presented by all the facts, what he/she does with it is of course his/her thing.
If a person states has an opinion and it is broadcasted, then he should expect responses to his opinion (cause and effect)
Its an expression of true love when people are exposed to all neutral-positive facts without illogical force, only when a person has ALL facts concerning a case he(or she) can come to a logical conclusion.
Arahat Athersata spoke about preconceived opinions in this way:
German original:
46. Ein Mensch der Wahrheit kennt keine Vorurteile, denn eine vorgefasste Meinung hindert das Suchen und Finden und die Ehrlichkeit.
47. Der Wahrheitmensch weiss sehr genau, dass alle Wahrheit und Weisheit im zeitlosen Fluss der endlosen Dauer liegen, so keine vorgefasste Meinung die Berechtigung in der Existenz findet.
Rough English translation:
46. A man of truth knows no prejudice, because a preconceived opinion prevents searching and finding, and honesty.
47. The truthful human knows very well that all truth and wisdom lie in the timeless river of endless duration, so no preconceived opinion finds a reason in existence.
End Translation.
Another thing Celesco, which I would like to address is your statement about "from all forms of spiritual bondage", I know this sounds like nitpicking, but I have good reason for the following statement.
The whole term "spiritual bondage" is incorrect; the spiritual / the spirit, everything from the universal-consciousness Creation cannot be bound or inhibited in anyway. Its a pure spiritual-energetic entity and absolutely immune to anything material and illogical.
Its the (material) consciousness which is the first and foremost evolutionary potential, the spirit is a mere collector of wisdom impulses and spender of spirit-energy to enable material life.
The consciousness(-related) however can be bound, inhibited, corrupted, confused, devolved, etc.
Basically the correct term would be "bondage of the consciousness(-related)"
In present time, the Earth human has reached a level of development that allows him to understand the difference between the spirit and the consciousness(-related), this was not possible during the time of Jmmanuel.
Thats why there are now prayers from Henok addressing the consciousness and not addressing directly to the spirit.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Celesco
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 03:00 pm: |
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A thought occurred to me today while I was conversing with myself outside in order to more easily reflect on the Spiritual Teachings that I have been studying, and contemplating, lately. It is regarding the unnaturalness of degenerate, sodomitic homosexuality, as compared to natural homosexuality, and I will form it as an addendum to the previous topic - even though I said to let the topic be.
It is said accurately that, because of overpopulation, the human's personality-block cannot properly dissolve in the afterlife in order to "clear" the consciousness for a completely new personality. Therefore, elements of the past personality-block will be retained, such as that they influence the new host body's personality, preference, and outlook.
In this way, can it not be reasoned that a spirit-form, who is born into a male gendered body, may retain strong characteristics of the female personality that was previously inhabited in the previous lifespan? Therefore, can it not also be reasoned logically that remnants of the old sexual orientation, and preferences, may persist within the new host body? Does it not seem feasible, then, that a newly formed personality-block, which retains characteristics of a natural female sexual orientation, will then be born into a body that, likewise, feels compelled to join sexually with other males despite the presence of the material body's male sexual organs? Naturally, then, can it be safely concluded that natural homosexuality has also come about as a result of overpopulation - which, due to the psyche's ability to influence the expression of genetic makeup, is now being shaped by the resulting inability of the personality-block to be properly dissolved in the afterlife, which stems from overpopulation?
This is not like the degenerate homosexual behaviour, which, being derived from fantasies, arises in the personality-block due to the human being's own will, and lack of effort to restrain themselves.
What is thought by you, my fellow humans, on the matter?
Also, do any of you tend to contemplate Creation's logic in such a manner that results in sudden epiphanies? I ask because, while my evidence seems logical and coherent to my own consciousness, it is also feasible to me that I am making blind leaps of faith due to a lack of understanding about the wholeness of the matter.
I suppose it is yet another question for BEAM to hold onto until questions are being answered, lol. |
Celesco
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 03:17 pm: |
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I do not wish to open up another debate on the supposed 'wrongness' of homosexuality, despite presenting my addendum to the topic, because such an argument serves the progress of no one, and, in fact, previously trampled upon the peaceful focus of truth-seeking.
Let those with an opinion on the matter speak, but if they cannot explain the logic behind their perspective, then it suffices to let their form of debate go; otherwise, only bitterness is sewn, so that others will be afraid to speak the truth of their opinions and potentially explore their false thinking (if such a conclusion is reached internally). Furthermore, I have expressed my line of reasoning for the sole purpose of joining my truth-seeking efforts with that of others - so, to that end, my recent post is written for the sole purpose of potentially expanding upon knowledge, imparted by Billy, that can only be recognized as true by the application of expanded, reasoned logic, and not for the purpose of claiming to know the absolute truth. |
Celesco
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 05:58 pm: |
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Thank you for the clarification, Jacob. I see the logic of your statement, and do not perceive it as nitpicking because I have perceived the importance of the usage of the correct terminology.
Therefore, I will be more careful, when posting in the future, to use the correct terminology, so that my message is clearly construed without opportunity to confuse others in the matter. |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 456
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 01:53 am: |
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Celesco,
A related archives question:
Question: Nov. 29, 2010
Hector
Hi Billy we all know the problems overpopulation is causing to our planet. I imagine that overpopulation causes not only problems in this material dimension where people incarnate in material bodies(diesseits) but also in the beyond (jenseits). What I would like to know is if there can appear negative consecuencies to our next personality if due to overpopulation, instead of staying in the beyond say 152 years, we stay a mere 1 or 5 years.
I came to this conclusion after thinking that the material realm and the beyond are two different manifestations of the same reality so, if overpopulation does provoke all kind of negative consecuences in the material real, it should also provoke negative consecuences in the beyond.
Does a very short stay/permanence in the beyond imply or result in negative/unfavorable living conditions for our next personalities? How does overpopulation affect the processes taking place in the beyond?
Thank you and stay well.
Answer: If a spirit form is forced to reincarnate too soon, the overall consciousness-block had not enough time to fully "program" the new personality. As a result, there are human beings born who have great problems to get firm ground under their feet or, in other words, to live into their life. Other effects are weakness, non-thoroughness, instability, etc.
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 457
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 01:17 am: |
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Celesco wrote: "It is said accurately that, because of overpopulation, the human's personality-block cannot properly dissolve in the afterlife in order to "clear" the consciousness for a completely new personality. Therefore, elements of the past personality-block will be retained, such as that they influence the new host body's personality, preference, and outlook."
Due to overpopulation it is not a problem of the old personality not being able to dissolve fully and retaining any of the old previous personality, as the dissolving process of the old personality only takes seconds, it is the programming of the new personality that takes years. The negative side effect of overpopulation is there is less time spent in the beyond for adequate programming of the new personality and consciousness block done by the overall consciousness block, which can lead to all sorts of problems for the new personality once it is born. The time spent in the beyond is normally 1.52 years of programming for every 1 year lived, but now due to overpopulation we are talking it can be shortened to 1/15th the normal time (found in Billy's fluidal forces book).
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Celesco
Member
Post Number: 14
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 04:52 am: |
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Thank you for clarification on the matter, Corey. The conclusion that had occurred to me seemed feasible at the time, but I realize that I will have to consult the Spiritual Teachings first before I reach the final conclusion about something. |
Celesco
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 06:48 pm: |
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Reflection on my admonishing post has left me with an impression that I have spoken in a harsh manner that is not warranted, and that I have overstepped the reasonable bounds of my humaneness. Therefore, I wish to express my intent to revoke my insistence that others avoid debating; instead, I will be content to acknowledge my lack of authority in the matter.
Peace m\/ |
Jacob
Member
Post Number: 94
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 07:26 am: |
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Hello ilovebilly,
Jakobjn= phaethonsfire = me (jacob)
Post no.7 must be an old one from 2004.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 728
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 08:45 am: |
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Hi all
But this overpopulation thing and what results also presents learning experiences for the spirit even if it means stagnation and if we put that into the massive timeframe of Creation, it isn't even a blink of an eye, so what is the big deal?
With stagnation comes stagnation and the consequences of it all that people or rather the incarnation cycle of the spirit must deal with or rather to contend with, must learn from so every opportunity I think is a learning experience whether negative or positive although we prefer it to be progressive. |
Ilovebilly
Member
Post Number: 303
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 09:15 am: |
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G'dat Folks
A Real Love Thought:
Your so happy people can read your mind so they feel what you feel and they know how you feel about them
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 839
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 - 10:12 pm: |
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Celesco , having been on this forum for a few years , I can tell you , that was a good way to put it in your Post Number: 16 . I wasn't reading the thread as much as I found your comment , and agree with your clarity in recognizing how easy it is to offend others , miss-type and generally get into a communication worm-hole . I call it a "verschnerdle" . |
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