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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 179
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 12:24 pm: | 
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Perhaps one should perceive judgmental assumptions with a clear sight and observe the unknowns with an open mind until some logical connections can be established without being contaminated from a material conscious that lack the relevant information to make those connections possible in the first place.
M.H. has and continued to make such “connections” and I took Jacob’s advice not to discuss further the analysis of dream application, influences and “manipulation” simply for the fact that although it has very beneficial applications for the well balanced logical humane Psyche, it also can have dangerous effects to those who are unbalanced, neurotic, paranoid, delusional for those of these degenerate facilities, engaging in dream influencing will be the worst nightmares for them and will not doubt exasperate their illness beyond recover including harming those who are connected with them directly or indirectly.
I could give an example, but will not do it publicly although it may be useful for those who fall in the initial category of balanced endeavors. Also the most alarming concern will be given to those Psychopaths who would certainly divulge into evil applications of the dreaming realms to wreak untold misery not only upon themselves but others they wish to do harm and evil manipulations. It is a very serious matter and you can ask Billy for clarification if in doubt.
It requires certain levels of discipline not available during the waking states in order to influence or manipulate the dream realms for there are creational safeguards within the process even though they can be utilized for additional “processing”, depending on its essence to influence certain components of the entire process. It is in these processing that lies the dangers of evil intentions for the next type of warfare if allowed to occur is in the non-material realms which are still connected to the material realms and can be accessed through the dreaming realms, therefore the process and methods of accessing such should remain a secret and revealed only to those who will not abuse it. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 128
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 11:12 am: |
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Hello Hawaiian,
No, I did not say that what you state in post 179.
In the Facebook group that we have (Eddie/Ardie/myself), it is very often that, somehow you redirect the discussion on to dreams and their usefulness in evolution, even when the discussion has nothing to do with dreams and/or their application.
The reasons why I asked you to refrain from talking about dreams and dreamstates are the following:
1. You make the statements about dreams and dreamstates as of they are coming from the spirit teaching, while they are in fact from your own assumptions, thoughts, I could not verify your claims in the part of the spirit teaching that actually addresses dreams and dreamstates, since you are not making that distinction, I asked you not to discuss in it the group because you mix it with terms and wording coming from the spirit teaching, this creates the appearance that you speak from a spirit teaching view point, while you do not.
2. Discussing dream states, forms of dreams, etc. is not really helpful because only a very few have access to the information concerning dreams in the spirit lessons, this information is not freely accessible, only after 11 years of studying the spirit lessons. The spirit lessons are structured in a specific order and there is good reason why it takes more then a decade of studying before the dream section is started. People who study the spirit lessons have undersigned an agreement that the information is solely for their own development and cannot be made public, so people who know about the dream section, cant talk about its contents. This is why a discussion is not possible.
3. This has nothing to do with secretiveness or being 'special', it has to do with the fact that the topic / subject matter is quite complex and requires prior learning of other subjects in the spirit teaching.
Without the underlying knowledge it can be confusing and even potentially dangerous, especially when people would experiment with their dreams and dream states and not really know what they would do.
4. This is purely your statement: “..it also can have dangerous effects to those who are unbalanced, neurotic, paranoid, delusional for those of these degenerate facilities, engaging in dream influencing will be the worst nightmares for them and will not doubt exasperate their illness beyond recover including harming those who are connected with them directly or indirectly…”
If you want to experiment with your dreams, that is your right to do so, but I think people should be aware that manipulating dreams can be really dangerous when done without the proper knowledge and experience.
Of course, we are all adults and can make our own decision, but people need to be aware of this.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Corey
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Post Number: 495
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 05:40 pm: |
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Hawaiian,
You still haven't provided your source from the spirit-teaching for your post 178 or even your follow up post 179 for that matter. Jacob asked you to provide the writing, book, or booklet. Some time ago the moderators asked you to clearly differentiate between what is found in the spirit-teaching and what is your own opinions and assumptions and you haven't been doing that either. Know that your presence on the forums is appreciated but it makes me wonder if you are purposely trying to sound knowledgeable by blending information coupled with your inability to provide sources, page numbers, and copyright data as forum rules clearly ask (from Billy's books)?
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 733
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 02:37 pm: |
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Hawaiian,
It also occurred to me that if your insights from your dreams and/or the "higher beings" in them are authentic, why haven't they informed you of your erroneous thoughts, assumptions and attempts to tie it to the spiritual teaching?
Could these beings actually be more a product of your imagination, rather than "real" in the way you think they are? |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 851
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 02:48 pm: |
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If I deem my posts to be important , that is , important to me , and perceived by me to be important to others , then I will make my post BRIEF , readable .
If I am spinning in my head and unbalanced in my thinking , then I would post LONG discourses , proving that I had neither anything of value to say , as well as not having considered anyone else in the process .
I hope this helps individuals , as well as us all . |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 734
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 06:05 pm: |
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> Hear, hear! I'll…think to that! |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 103
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 05:56 am: |
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Have you ever wondered!
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Ferbon
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Post Number: 322
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 09:00 am: |
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Instead of LONG answers ...just quote the source or provide link to it and let interested party read it and answer themselves.
I read somewhere that if you leave Neanderthal locked with typewriter for long enough he will eventually type works of Shakespeare.
Short answers at least don't make me think about that.
Salome |
Piyali
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 02:22 pm: |
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I do not agree with you Mark. But then again, your thoughts are your own, ofcourse. :-)
Telling someone, whether you agree with that person writing or not, how they should or should not write and what their particular way of expressing themselves might mean, is nobody's business and no one should judge it. If you have no time to respect another's writing by reading it, then let it go at that. Don't read, don't say anything. Nothing to say if you disagree anyway right?
If you have something important to address in that person's post, then address it. No need to demean another's way of writing, no matter how erroneous it seems to you. :-)
Many here write long emails, I do too because I have much to say, not because I am unbalanced, etc. I see a great deal of bias here.
I do not think this is about how long or short a message is, but whether the content makes sense to you or not...
Just saying... :-)
Salome with Love ~
Piyali
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 572
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2013 - 06:43 am: |
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Hi Piyali, here you are judging Mark's post...doing the same thing that you didn't want him to do???
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Theredpill
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2013 - 11:51 am: |
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Important posts are not necessarily brief.
Brief posts are not necessarily readable.
Readability and clarity of long posts,
the contents usually speaks for themselves.
What is important, what is not?
Children often do things without concern
of perception of what others think.
Is it selfishness or innocence?
I know not.
Salome. |
Theredpill
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2013 - 04:42 pm: |
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Hi Jacob,
Thanks for the CR link concerning the role of the codex in the reincarnation cycle.
I don't believe "Life and Death" has been translated into English yet. Perhaps the answer is in there since the CR link does not clarify enough of the original question I have about life cut short coming back sooner than those dying of old age, and that accidents, war, etc. are considered normal termination of a life, even for a normal non-codex bound human.
If you have read "Life and Death" (or other sources) can you provide some excerpts as reference?
Salome. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 129
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 05:29 pm: |
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Hello Theredpill,
I will answer your question as soon as possible.
Hopefully by this coming weekend.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 852
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 11:42 pm: |
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Hi Piyali and Redpill ;
Of course , you may both be exactly correct .
If you read my post again and imagine highlighted "I" whenever it appears , then it should correct the illusion that you both may have that I was demeaning anyone else's posts . When I speak of myself I speak of no devil or neighbor . Only self . Protecting the group at large from my thoughts ,if they would mislead anyone or cause harm in any small way .
My intent was for others to think first about their own "I" , and consider that I am considering the reading experience of others , or perhaps you may wander into my mini-novel ,teaching by way of opinion , doodling online , self-therapy , "working it out on paper type thing" .
It should appear as NO insult that I don't want to bore you , or lead you down a path of my self absorption . It may be directly offered that you or anyone else who frequents this forum may use this as a way of enabling others to finally get to sleep , read more than one post a night . etc . usw .
As for your posts , Piyali , I could read them all day long because they are always full of love and graceful dignity . |
Bsnitkin
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 05:30 pm: |
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Can anyone state, please, whether animals come back once they pass? Thanks.
Salome. Betsy
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Hi Betsy
Yes, the animal spirit forms also reincarnate, but only in the same kind of animal, and only providing an instinct consciousness (non-evolutive) that is an 'unconscious consciousness'.
(Message edited by indi on October 15, 2013)
Betsy
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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 181
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 07:30 pm: |
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Here are some keywords to research on your own and it’s up to you to decide whether to pursue it further in order to find the connections for a more robust evolutionary endeavor(s) as I will not spoon feed anyone who are too lazy to make that self-disciplined action to find the truth by themselves, for it is embedded in Billy’s writings that I will not waste my time doing the research for yourself as it is not my concern to determine your evolutionary pursuits, since most on this forum has already decided my approach(s) is deemed radical and improper.
However for those who do not fear the unknowns and relish the challenges of their own innate potentials in applying their material conscious along with the other counter-parts that are innately “inherited” by the very nature of both the material and non-material realms which is basically structured in the same logical defined properties as a very complex-multi-dimensional energy related mathematical formulation in which results are dependent upon the imputed actions that will influence the present outcome at a particular degree depending also on what is needed to be balanced.
Nothing is perfect and therefore relative to one’s actions which begins and ends in the material conscious that is the gateway to its Psyche which must be conditioned and disciplined so that the vibrational essences are compatible to its non-material spiritual counter-parts so that all elements of this mathematical components are in synchronous to each other and follows the logical structure of evolutionary nature, that is found in merging.
Keywords:
“Hovering”, secret of “Nothingness”, “Learning from your dreams”, “scientific methodology”, “meditation-dreaming”.
There are two methods that are related to each other, but can only be utilized when one first masters their ability to meditate in one’s dreams, which is not difficult if one prepares themselves prior to dreaming. Meditate on distant events and focus on something that is very unusual in nature so that it becomes more “energetic” than routine things. When that particular event becomes a dream, then focus on it entirely without being distracted by other dreaming events.
When one has mastered this type of meditation, then it is used to “hover”both in the dreaming and twilight zones when events need to be clarified or influenced in logical fashion to “improve” the quality of dreams and become a learning tool to address other issues at hand. A word of caution, for those who are delusional or have fears of the unknown which will negatively influence the entire process, it will become your worst nightmare to attempt this on your own.
For those who want to pursue this further, then I would suggest one first master the art of “hovering”, which is like viewing your world through the “prison”, which reflects white light into various colors. It is an analogy of sorts, like looking through these events or dreams through a prison and not looking directly but indirectly to view one’s material conscious from outside of it and letting the events pan out without any influences or thoughts contaminating it. That is why meditating is so important, especially in the dreams where a single thought can have a drastic influence on the entire dreaming process or be a learning tool just the same.
You may find this technique in one or more of Billy’s writings which may use other terms, for I do not read, write or speak German, but have learned to utilized my other higher senses and discipline to find these answers myself and you can also do the same as well. Earthly humans have be subjected too often by abusive ET’s and others and still do to a certain extent for they too fear the unknowns and should try to work with the potentials that have the necessary experiences and mathematical components to balance these negative factors that are embedded in the subconscious memory banks and other related counter-parts found no other places but here on Earth.
Your evolutionary level and potentials is based on how one performs in their dreaming realms, at least for material human beings. Say what you will in the material waking realms, but let’s see how you perform in the dreaming realms for if you can’t fathom the two methods I have just described, then you have a long way to go, maybe not in this life cycle is that what your present spirit form deserves? |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 735
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 06:15 pm: |
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> Once again we have Hawaiian polluting the waters with his/her own theories that they freely - and incorrectly - imply are what Meier teaches. And this alone, "for it is embedded in Billy‚s writings that I will not waste my time doing the research for yourself" is enough not only to question just what this person is smoking but why they bother to periodically post their hodge podge of inaccuracies here…and why they are allowed continue to do so unchecked. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 130
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 06:46 pm: |
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Hawaiian,
Your statements in post 181 are your own, and have virtually nothing to do with the spirit teaching as taught by FIGU.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 500
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 06:05 pm: |
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Hawaiian,
I ask you, what is the difference between how you extract information from Billy's teaching and blend it with your own outside studies then teach it to others, then what was done by scribes who falsified the true prophets teachings countless times throughout Earth history (Bible and Koran)? Since you don't read German, do you modestly study the available English translations to satisfy your curiosity? I have never once seen you refrence "the Might of the Thoughts", "The Psyche", or "the Goblet of Truth" in your postings? Do you study Billy's translated books? Do you?
I am not perfect either, and just a student myself who will make mistakes, but I always try to verify information is truly in Billy's teaching before teaching it to others. If you choose not to study German, then it is your loss, but only you alone will have to answer the question why it is that you are unwilling to study the material in it's original Urform and only YOU can answer the question if you are a fool or you are wise in those quiet moments with yourself. I mean, if you were to order books FIGU or Michael would sell them to you.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Lemontree
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2013 - 05:42 am: |
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Is it possible that someone (a rarity) remembers their past life at great detail somehow at a very young age, say 6years? |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 858
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 02:30 am: |
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I did read somewhere in the material that the age of 3 to 4 years was the age which the previous life was still relevant to the baby's mind . |
Ardie
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 04:31 pm: |
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That's what I've heard also, Mark. Once the soft spot on the top of the head closes, the ability to remember goes away. |
Rogerpeck
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 07:50 pm: |
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Forgive me if this has been addressed elsewhere. Why would we continually reincarnate to learn lessons we have already learned? In addition to this, who is the determining authority of when we have actually achieved a state of evolution in which allows us to move onto a fine-material or even pure spirit existence? |
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