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    Earthling Member Post Number: 812 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Bianca. Those are not my writings on my blog, those are my attempts at translating Billy's writings. I'm in loose touch with a few friends from waaaay way back but if you mean life choices as in studying the Meier material, I can't say they know much. My immediate family knows of it & if I reference something from Meier's writings, the Spiritual Teachings, etc, I don't usually label it, it's part of a topic. My mother, because she is old & stuck in her thinking, habits, ways and now in her body, mostly needs societally pre-approved and accepted labels for ideas, foods, movies, clothes, etc.. that she is comfortable with before she will let them in, like a Ralph Lauren, Tupperware, Exxon, Pepsi, the Pope, the Rabbi, the shrink, etc., rather than seeing & perceiving with her own thought processes. If Billy Meier, alien humans, UFO's & the Spiritual Teaching were to be in the news, conventional wisdom, in the papers she reads, on the TV news shows she watches, then slowly she would open herself to it all. My siblings are open to a point, so I only say what they can digest, often without a label as well, so they don't knee-jerk puke it up. The same goes for anyone. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 08-2010 |
I think the following may be helpful. A friend of mine had gone to one of those 'past-life regression' hypnotists. He was told that he had been a warrior in a previous incarnation. We then began to discuss it. I introduced him to principles from the Natural Creative Laws regarding evolution of the consciousness and the difference between the individual and the individuum as taught in the Goblet of Truth. He was a bit disappointed through the logic that this reading of his, at best, was more likely a "past life" of the hypnotist. But it changed his focus back onto himself and his personal development and evolution. Semjase explained that it is through meditation that one can gain evidence of their spiritform and past lives. But this requires consistent and extensive disciplined meditation. So really, I would think; it is a matter of putting in the effort to prove her words. Salome, Eddie | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 05-2011 |
Jacob is correct that it is possible for a very skilled balanced individual who has mastered their ego so that their psyche is in the proper status to engage in “self-hypnosis” or more technically speaking “consciously hovering” in the dream realms, yet still maintaining a logical awareness without altering or influencing the outcome (Effect) unnecessarily. A person not trained or disciplined in these areas will induce influences that will turn their dreams into false delusions or worse, horrible nightmares that will damage their psyche and lead to other mental disorders which he or she may never recover from. Hypnosis is not an accurate term, for the skilled individual will still have some degree of awareness especially when they are in harmony with their material subconscious, which records every sensory stimulus and will defend its host when it senses danger (see incident when Billy and Semjase got attacked when they probed M. G.’s subconscious) The material subconscious is a very powerful “entity” and is a part of one’s self as the Hawaiian Kahunas observes that it is part of the three selves of each person which has different names to represent the material conscious, subconscious and collective-consciousness. The vast majority of Earthly humans are not even aware that their own subconscious exists within themselves, yet those who do can readily sense its presence in others although it is unfortunate the host person is completely detached and for good reasons since most are not ready to engage creational attributes at this stage and certainly not in the dream realms. For those who want to develop their abilities further, there are certain exercises that help, but must not be engaged for negative influences as the danger for feedback is very real | ||
Verlanis Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2012 |
Aggressive questioning in the form of a reactionary shutdown is a tactic used by people who have no knowledge of self thought. These people think they think but all the think is what is programmed into their subconscious mind. The claim that hypnosis is entirely safe is entirely untrue because brains can be manipulated through technology. Television is that fact, and testament. Hypnosis is a valuable tool when used properly. It's greatest power is the activation of the Placebo Effect. People under hypnosis are entirely capable of lying even though they are not aware of this fact when in a deep trance state of mind. A skilled hypnotist is very, very specific in their word choice when exploring repressed memories because they know that their words can make the mind build an unreal picture without actually accessing the target memory. A typical hypnosis session is a rather illusory affair. There is no way to actually know what state of mind the brain is in just by viewing a sleeping person. It is easy to fake a hypnosis session. The best way is actually with the use of electrodes attached to the scalp to monitor the brainwaves directly. Once the mind is below the Beta Wave( the realm of REM cycle) and in Delta Wave then a person is in a hypnotic trance. As a side note, a TV induced trance puts a person in the Delta Wave meaning the brain is less active than in the REM sleep cycle. Jack -- | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 12-2011 |
Verlanis Too true. I possess a tape which takes you back into your past life. Yes it does work. joe | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 12-2009 |
According to Billy past life hypnosis doesn't work because it allows the hyptnotized person to tap into the collective subconscious and so the past life memories in reality can unknowingly belong to someone else. This has been discussed before on the forums. The only way to know your past lives is to be evolved enough and including being evolved enough to tap into the storage banks like Billy does. There is an OM canon written with Semjase's help that states the doorway to knowing the billion other lifetimes (meaning the whole of Earth humnity-billion) is concentration and meditation. I am assuming she meant attention meditation taught by Billy in his mediation book. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 529 Registered: 12-2009 |
as a side note: concentration is one of the qualities to the green aura, the more evolved 3rd level (out of 7) aura in the untranslated 55th contact. OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 05-2011 |
Sometimes too much concentration especially in the dream realm is not advisable for it becomes too energenic and if not "throttle back" with logical reasoning, there will be little or no interchange or processing of the fine energy. Concentration or meditation in the waking realm is useful, but must be applied differently in the dream realms for the sensory perceptions are already suspended, it is here where awareness through spiritual evolutionary status is important in order to interact in a creational logical manner for the development of the spirit-form and all its associated parts. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hawaiian, it would be nice to mention that there is no reference in the known spirit teaching about those things and these stem from your own thoughts? Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Shark_mode Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 01-2014 |
Aloha Hawaiian, It is always a splash to be communicating with you. I just love all the work you have done on yourself to understand dreams and dreaming. But I agree with Jacob, please try to back your ideas with actual Figu quotes and sources. PLEASE, brah it would help more people see value in what you have to say; and at the same time it will help you refine your ideas around the truth. Personally, I don't really remember my dreams very often. Most of my nights seem for me to be just sleeping and getting rest. So I don't really have the same passion or interest you have for dreaming. But when I do remember my dreaming, I do try to make sense of it when I'm awake. I try to solve the puzzle as I'm thinking about it while I'm riding my bike, or in down-time at work, and other times I make time for contemplation. I think no matter how important dreaming is for a person, dreams give us the ability to discover more things about ourselves if we apply meditation, contemplation, cogitation, etc. to figuring them our for ourselves. Which of course is in line with the teaching to find time for meditation and time inside your head. Aloha, Anthony And please brah, show us how your dream knowledge and experience fits in with the spirit teaching and Figu material, with quotes and a source.  | ||
Rosemarie Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2013 |
Hi. I find it interesting to leave everything and anything creation or meier related materials for some weeks or months. You may want to try it to see what and who you really are as yourself alone and not just a man reciting or carrying quotes or whatever of spirit teaching, eduard meier or om books. Its like getting to know your self again, a way to see what will be the only thing remaining if you flip over your glass. If you do so, you might think that the glass is very empty but if you will only look deeper and closer, you will be surprised to what trully and really remains. And from that that remains, you will begin to feel free and gain a strange strength to become simply everything else. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 965 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Rosemarie Sorry for hogging the forum, I treat participating here as a form of spiritual and learning exercise but I must say I just have to agree with you there. Indeed it is helpful to take a step back from it once in awhile and find your own ground from a different perspective and path. Just to share a point from my own firsthand experience, initially when I started out on this journey of learning I was so obsessed to the point where there wouldn't be a day gone by when I didn't spend as much time as was available to me to read and try to learn as much as I possible could. Eventually there was definitely a downside to reading too much too soon too repetitively in haste as for the time spent and amount I've read just didn't bring appreciable rewards because I didn't give it sufficient time to process and digest it all properly and hence the learning just became useless school knowledge facts without working power. All I wanted to do with my life at one point was to study the spiritual teachings and nothing else until reality and circumstances intervened abruptly to change all that and thank goodness for that. Now I deliberately don't read as much as I used to and sometimes not at all but allow whatever I studied thus far to sink in consciously or unconsciously as I interact with the external environment, circumstances, situations and people. It is worth mentioning that it doesn't matter how long you have been at this learning process nor the length of your participation on this forum as ultimately what matters in the end is living the life of the truth, being with/through the truth, applying the spiritual principles and values in everyday life, conversing with self with the truth, reasoning with the truth, thinking with the truth, controlling one's thoughts, feelings and actions to conform with the spiritual values, bringing to conscious awareness the knowledge and understanding of the truth to act upon them, seeing and perceiving the truth within reality, experiencing the truth, and so on but ultimately you've got be honest with yourself as only you know. So I make it a point each day to pray to my spirit in conversation form to bring to my conscious awareness of all the important spiritual points and facts to to try to walk the talk as much as my capabilities, will power, character, reason and thinking will allow even if I fall from grace from time to time (non-religious connotation term). Such a wise people Billy and the Plejaren are who have figured out everything about us who are so many steps ahead and written about it way before any of us manage to get to it and tread the path already laid out. Sfath. 50. The rule proves that they always want to know more than their intellect can cope with, so, for that reason, be told that you should always teach and reveal only as much knowledge and wisdom as is demanded by the current state of the human beings' understanding. 50. Die Regel beweist, dass sie immer mehr wissen wollen, als ihr Verstand zu verkraften vermag, deshalb sei dir gesagt, dass du immer nur gerade soviel Wissen und Weisheit lehren und preisgeben sollst, wie der augenblickliche Stand des Verstehens der Menschen dies verlangt. 51. Once the understanding and grasping of the actual truth increases in regard to the learning material, then the new understanding can be expanded in its value and its details in accord with the teaching. 51. Steigt das Verstehen und Erfassen der tatsächlichen Wahrheit in bezug auf den Stoff des Lernens, dann kann dem neuen Verstehen gemäss die Lehre in ihrem Wert und in ihren Einzelheiten erweitert werden. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sfath%27s_Explanation Matt Lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 08-2010 |
Rosemarie, With all due respect. I find your statement illogical. Perhaps I'm missing something. Your post reads as written by someone who has never read the Goblet of Truth. Would you please elaborate a bit? Thnx. Salome, Eddie | ||
Rosemarie Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2013 |
Hi. Thanks matt for quoting sfath's statements. Im comforted that you too felt the things i used to feel. But these exact same feelings provoked me to just dumped everything meier or spirit related for some time. On the otherhand, i understand you Eddie for being lost of my thoughts since i said it really vaguely. What i was trying to say is based (most probabily) on a common coping mechanism ive experinced for 2 years already. First encounter with meier and spirit teaching material made me stopped my usual way of life where everything was just upside downed. Second, i panicked that this long forgotten singular truth should be known by all humans i can know of because i want them to open their shut eyes the same way i saw the truth for first time. Third, i began jumping from 1 forum to another posting philosophical, surely non-original, parable like paragraph hoping someone digs deeper from my words the same way i dug my way to the truth. Fourth, months passed before i was relieved of my panic and before rightful truth saturated in me. Fifth, surprisingly i felt pushless again. That the drive of life was still not in mine. So i searched again and look to all places i can. I collected all digitally meier and spirit teaching related like a kid left alone in a candy castle. And i grew tired and tired and everything again seems so meanigless. What's missing? Why is everything so still pointless even all sheets and books regarding meier and the spirit teaching are already glued on my eyes? I asked this. Cant remember how many times. Until 1 day i imagined a glass of water and asked, does it really matter if the glass is half empty, half full or brimming up? I dont understand anymore. Nature allows every living and breathing being to live regardless of the emptiness or the fullness of the cup and from that it is very logical to presume that nature literally does not care how much you have filled your cup during your entire life. So what understanding am i missing again? My mind was not thinking at that time but somehow my hidden inside flipped the glass i am imagining upside down. And viola, thats what ive been searching for. The most most only important thing is that, this, which will always and forever be left inside you when all waters are all gone. This. This what remains is what i only needed. And with this that i have, i can in fact do and be anything i desire. This is what i only need. And recognizing it by way of reading all kinds of meier or spirit teaching related CAN be never enough. All those books can never penetrate enough because always they are superficial. Your only resort is to discard everything obstructful in you and around to begin seeing and feeling that only thing which belongs to you. That which i am speaking of is nothing by your self - the word is common and seems redundant, but its truest meaning and importance can never be well defined other than your own personal experience. | ||
Rev New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2014 |
Could someone tell me if I'm wrong and if I understand this concept clearly; So this goes like this... 1. The Spirit a. Spirit Conscience-Conscienceness b. Spirit Sub-Conscience Conscienceness -Central Conscienceness a. Material Conscience-Conscienceness b. Material Sub-Conscience Conscienceness 2. Pshyche 3. Thoughts 4. Feelings 5. And all this creates our personality and character. Please correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 05-2011 |
Jacob, The best advice I can say even if it's not (yet) in the materials is to either ask Billy directly or attempt analyzing it yourself in the dream realms and see what happens. Why should the dream realms only be influenced by higher evolved beings and not the person themselves? There is a question I asked Billy about how many levels there are in the dream realms and he said if I remember, "depending on the condition of the psyche, there are many". The question remains, when will people take the initiative and begin to start weaning themselves off Billy’s hand grip and begin to take the necessary steps on their own in applying their true potentials so that they can evolve spiritually without constantly holding on to Billy’s hand because one day he will not be here to continue this process? If you logically observe with all of your senses, one will conclude that the most applicable environment to develop and interact with creational potentials is in the dream realms and that the waking state is most appropriate in preparing oneself so that they can fully access their non-material interfacing within the framework in the dream realms. That is why meditation is so important in the waking state, to condition the psyche by insolating it from the physical world so that its higher functional attributes are conditioned to interact in the dream realms while vibrating at a higher frequency. That is why meditation in the dream realm has opposite effects but it is very useful because it too conditions the psyche so that the material conscious is able to not concentrate too much because all inputs are cut off, but to remain in a “hovering” mode, just the same as the psyche is when it is in a developing fetus and more sensitive to the non-material fine impulses. You can reference this “hovering” on the Psyche book. We were all in this state of being even though we grew out of it, but it is still there hidden away as some memory, so why can’t we at least try to go back to our roots like “child observation innocence” and interface it with our present knowledge and experiences so that instead of being dormant or suppressed, it merges and become more applicable so that one becomes holistic in nature when they utilize the entire spectrum instead of just sleeping as how their ancient ancestors did while living in a cave and dreaming what to hunt the next day when they wake up. Shark_mode, People should learn how to logically apply themselves or at the least, try to understand and not expect to be spoon fed every single time. Allot of my posts are designed to be thought provoking and simply finding some word-for-word reference is just para-phrasing or repeating something without digesting anything useful or beneficial. Sometimes experience comes before an explanation is rendered and many of my experiences have been verified as such by Billy’s materials and writings before I even knew how to explain them and still continuing at the moment. One day I would like to discuss some of it in person with Billy. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 02-2013 |
The overal-consciousness-block is responsible for creating a new material-consciousness-block which contains the new personality / character. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hawaiian, I will keep the advice and material I get from Billy from the spirit lessons in which the dream section is described in detail. Dreams are your favorite topic so it was rather obvious that you would connect dream states with meditation. I didn't know that meditation was possible during a dream state so that opened up very interesting fields of consciousness-related development for me. These are the joys of learning for me. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 02-2013 |
Self-knowledge / Self-Control This post is about self-knowledge and self-control, its what I have learned about applying the spirit teaching in daily life by Billy's teaching. A good way is to understand and follow the laws and recommendations of the universal-consciousness Creation is to perceive, recognize and analyze the cycles of Nature (Macrocosmos); the four seasons and project this on the human lifecycle. (Microcosmos) [..as above, as below..], the laws of Nature are a reflection of the laws and recommendations of the universal-consciousness Creation. One must generate evidence by perceiving the processes in the macrocosmos (universe, world, extra-personal interactions, etc. etc. etc.) and processes in the microcosmos (your own thought-processes, feelings, emotions, impulses, virtues, bad traits, etc. etc. etc.) in a meditative state, which means that no stray thoughts and subsequent feelings may interfere, any interference means 'coloring' of what is perceived and does not make it truthful anymore. However what you perceive by means of your senses remains just information until it has been processed by the logic of your rationality/intellect in your material consciousness, by neutral-positive, spiritual-intellectual thinking (which is described in the spirit lessons), and follows the process of: 1. Perception 2. Recognition 3. Cognition 4. Insight 5. Certainty/Knowledge (Result of absolute logical insight in recognition of the truth.) 6. Experience/ live-through 7. Wisdom (Result of clear balance in logical knowledge and its experience as absolute determination.) This is the reason why the human must learn to trust his/her most important ‘sense’ of all: His/her consciousness with its rationality, intellect and logic. Semjase said something to this in these beautiful words at the 10th contact with Billy: 158. Der Weg der Geisterfahrung wird beschleunigt durch die Entfaltung des bewussten Suchens und des Wahrheitswissensammelns, und diese Entfaltung führt zur wahren und allumfassenden, kosmischweiten Weisheit und Liebe aufgrund der Erkenntnis, dass die Schöpfung in allem gegenwärtig ist. 158. The way of experiencing the spirit will be accelerated through the unfolding of conscious searching and the gathering of true knowledge, and this unfolding leads to the true and all-encompassing, cosmic wisdom and love, based on the cognition that Creation is present within everything. The gathering of true knowledge can only be done by the material-consciousness, its rationality, intellect in logic by means of experiences, learning from mistakes, recognizing the laws of the universal-consciousness Creation and applying this knowledge in daily life. This application is done in the following three steps process, explained by Billy: 1) verinnerlichen 2) in sich selbst umsetzen 3) nach aussen wirksam werden lassen durch das eigene Handeln 1] The word „verinnerlichen“ does not exist in English, but could be explained as completely „taking up“ something’s meaning and value within oneself. 2] Assimilate what has been „verinnerlicht“ within oneself. 3] If it = the knowledge is really assimilated within oneself and when it profoundly permeates one’s thinking, it will influence one’s actions, which are visible and detectable by other people etc Through this process it is very clear that while following those 3 steps, already the personality/material consciousness is modified, the behavioral patterns change and become more logical. (cause and effect) So when the human recognizes and acknowledges his/her own modifications in every respect (by means of meditative concentration), then he/she will have the security of his/her self-strength, self-knowledge and self-confidence, making him/herself very stable. This because you have gained the unshakeable knowledge and insight what is part of your personality/being and what your possibilities and limitations are, so you are in the position to act logically according to the natural creative laws and recommendations. This is taught and based on Billy's words in Contact 109: The animal, in contrast to the Earth human being, is very much geared toward independently recognizing and acknowledging its modifications in every respect, which gives it the security of its self-strength, its self-knowledge, and its self-confidence, making it very stable. This is so because it is correctly connected to the laws of nature, and these surge through it in an impulse-related manner. German original: Das Tier ist im Gegensatz zum Erdenmenschen sehr stark darauf ausgerichtet, seine Modifikationen in jeder Beziehung selbst zu erkennen und anzuerkennen, was ihm auch die Sicherheit seiner Selbststärke, seines Selbstwissens und seines Selbstsicheren gibt, wodurch es sehr beständig ist. Dies darum, weil es naturgesetzmässig richtig verbunden ist und dies in ihm impulsmässig alles durchwallt. We can learn from this to recognize and acknowledge every modification (a learning experience, the whole process of gathering of knowledge IS an modification of the personality/consciousness), and gain self-knowledge and self-control out of it. The definition of self-control is to be have control over the [causes] inside of yourself and not just having the ability to modify and control the effects. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hi Indi Would it be possible to get in touch with Eduard to ask if the transponder can shed some light to the disappearance of the Malaysian flight MH-370 joe | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 05-2011 |
Jacob, The was the reason why I asked you about some private correspondence in the past, because the topic of dream analysis and utilization is very complex and dangerous for those not properly trained or disciplined adequately in addition to having a sound and mature psyche and most importantly, a well-disciplined material conscious that can mimic similar properties as how the psyche can “hover” during its formation when the fetus was forming. You know the German material much more intimately then myself and I can point you to the methods that will assist in experiencing these endeavors if certain internal conditions are initially met. To write down such methods on a public forum like FIGU is irresponsible and dangerous for those who will attempt it themselves especially if they do not meet certain prerequisites as mentioned previously. It is not to say that one is more accomplished or not evolved enough, quite the contrary, because some may not know that their evolutionary potentials are of high standards, being of former ET spirit forms currently incarnated in present day personalities. What is of concern is that attempting to endeavor in planning and interfacing in the dream realms takes much practice and careful influences both in the preparation and actual interpretation while actually participating or just being an observer (as there are many levels, depending on the condition of the psyche) while in the dream realm. Even one’s own reactions must be closely monitored and in some cases made completely transparent by “hovering”. That is the primary reason why being materialistically “absent” is similar to the “Nothingness” of being human. There is a German term Billy uses to describe the dream realm when all senses are “suspended” which in turn is the most logical and efficient environment for true spiritual development once the material conscious is disciplined enough to interface without undue or illogical influences which is too apparent in the waking state, thus the need for proper meditation in the waking realms to also “suspend” the material senses which are automatically done in the dream realms. The is why it is so important to train oneself to meditate in the dream realm, but to have the self-discipline to lower such concentration to the “hovering” state and not detach oneself from the events of the dream, but to interface with the corresponding events which is fluid and dynamic depending on many influences both material and non-material. I do not know the German terms and in a way it is good, for it forces me to interpretate such concepts in English and let you find the appropriate translation or verification from the SSSC since I don’t have the access to do so. For me to devote all that time and energy in learning German is time and energy away from documenting these methods from the overall conscious block. Hope this arrangement can work to the benefit of humankind. Cheers, Hawaiian | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hawaiian, The dream section as explained in the spirit teaching offers plenty of information and methods to exercise, they are clearly explained by Billy. The fact that one can meditate, provided if one can consciously dream, is certainly longer then the 3 seconds you assumed. The dream section has a logical structure provided that you have the underlying knowledge of the processes in the material consciousness block. Dream analysis, while very important, is not the only way of consciousness-related evolution, initiation and meditation are also ways to gain clear access to ones storage-banks and material subconsciousness, next to the path of learning, making mistakes, etc. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Andyv24 Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 08-2010 |
Jacob, What exactly is meant by "initiation"? This is the staring in the mirror thing? Can you describe this in detail or is that not allowed? Thanks. |
