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Truthseeker
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Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When Arus arrived back on Earth from exile it was actually much earlier then that at around 116,000 years ago, not 13,000 years ago. When the Asians first came to Earth it would have been around 26,000 years ago.
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Corey
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Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CPL, this is from the archives:

question:"- Hi Billy, thinking about Gautama Buddha and how he discovered the truth without any ET contact, and looking at the spiritual development of us earth beings (except a few) now, and extrapolating this to Siddhartha Gautama's time 2500 years ago, it makes little sense that Gautama Buddha had a "jump" in consciousness in just one lifetime to a level of a prophet.
Is it possible to make a huge leap in consciousness of several millennium ahead of the rest in just one lifetime?"

answer: "No, that’s not possible.
Gautama Buddha discovered some truths, but he also figured out things which were/are not in line with reality."

Salome/Corey Müske
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Cpl
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2016 - 02:49 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's right, Corey. Billy also said, Buddha was a true prophet.
Chris

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Cpl
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2016 - 02:54 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Truthseeker, it was not the first Asians that arrived 26,000 years ago, but the last and most recent of the yellow races. They arrived 26,004 years ago this year of 2016.
Chris

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Msmichelle
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CPL.... please confirm your sources because I believe the Buddha was a truthful man but not a true prophet?
MsMichelle
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Cpl
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MsMichelle,
I have seen it and read it a couple of times. You should be able to find it on the forum here somewhere. I read a lot of Billy's works so it's difficult to recall exactly. He definitely has said it. I am in hospital at the moment so cannot search through the books and booklets for you.
Chris

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Cpl
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Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 03:59 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MsMichelle,
I have been reading the Booklet "Attacking questions from Japan" among others. In there Billy does mention some false prophets and maybe one or two not false, but he also mentions them in a few places or publications. I think it was in one of those where he covers false prophets in detail that you can find it.
Yes, Buddha did make mistakes. Many made mistakes and misassumptions about his experiences and the legends, of course, take on a fictional reality all their own. This is obvious, but Billy still said he was a true prophet. Remember no one is perfect, and no be goes through life without making mistakes.
Hope this helps.
Chris

Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Kenneth
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Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cpl,

Yes the Asian race (Yellow) and the latest group apparently arrived on Earth 26,004 years ago; that does not necessarily mean that they would be less spiritually advanced? As we know, for the longest time, this race preferred to be very seclusive; did they come here religion free, or did their religion come from the Bafath (aka Giza Intelligence) as well? It’s doubtful that the Yellow race brought religion with them.

If this Asian group was more spiritually advanced, could this be why Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) was able to ascend or access the spiritual knowledge to become a true terrestrial prophet?

On the flip side, reference is not forthcoming where Billy imparted that Buddha was a terrestrial born prophet. Buddhism really pushes the Karma issue; which we know does not exist.

Not much is said about the Yellow race, nonetheless it seems pretty obvious that this race arrived on Earth as genetically-manipulated human beings as well.

Per Cory’s statement; When Billy said; “Gautama Buddha discovered some truths, but he also figured out things which were/are not in line with reality.” This statement would seem to imply that Buddha was not a true prophet?

Hope that you feel better soon

Kenneth
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Hugo
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Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While not a prophet I thought Confucius must have been a very knowledgeable Asian person. Why hasn't Billy or the P's ever mentioned him?
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Corey
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Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



This brings to mind the snippet of contact 654, that is from Special Bulletin 102 that Bill (Tat_tvam_asi) summarized one page back (post 489) included the part of "Ptaah replies: that the spirit teachings were brought to what is today the mountainous part of Burma by 2 ancient Lyrans who were distant descendants of the 'emigration force' which arrived on Earth 13,500 years ago."

and the snippet included: "They settled as 'migrants' some 2891 ago (= 875 BCE) within a group of some 309 male/female people. They formed a small fraternity with a place of learning."

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My thoughts are, these 2 ancient Lyrans could be the source of Pali-Buddhism, which Ptaah explains in the snippet of contact 355 that is included in the Nokodemion book that the Ur-Pali-Buddhism has roots in the truth, and traces back to Nokodemion. The contact 355 also explained that Pali-Buddhism was taught by Buddha himself to 500 monks that became the "oldest order". My thoughts are: as more time went by on Earth, like all Earth religions, Pali-Buddhism became more and more corrupted (maybe Kenneth is correct in his assertion that the Bafath tampered with Buddhism) until it is no longer recognizable of the truth, and is considered an "irrational teaching" (Irrlehre) by FIGU. This would mean that Pali-Buddhism, or any other modern form of Buddhism of today's times is drastically altered (towards the negative) from the Ur-Pali-Buddhism of roughly 2500 years ago.

Billy has told me in the Q & A that 2000 years ago, Jmmanuel himself studied Pali-Buddhism when he was training to be a prophet in the far East, and India, studying under wise and knowledgeable ones called masters. For those that have the new TJ, see 29:24. I will leave the verbatim question/answer here as a reference for posterity sake, as well as, a written testament to Earth's descendants 1000 years from now, if we possess time-travel by then, so these time-travelling terrestrial descendants can verify the information about Jmmanuel studying Pali-Buddhism (and trace Pali-Buddhism back to the sources of tracing back to the teaching of Nokodemion) from masters somewhere in the far East, and India roughly 3000 years backwards in time from 1000 years in the future from now. Surely this will pose some interest, since contact 355 indicates Pali-Buddhism traces back to Nokodemion, is it what I fathom: that the 2 ancient Lyrans mentioned in contact 654, that are descendants of the "emigration force" of 13,500 years ago, that are the source for the Lyran information housed in Ur-Pali-Buddhism? What can I say, the MH time-travel blog is inspiration for this part of my post! :-)

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question: "Dear Billy and Christian,

Did Jmmanuel study Palibuddhisimus (contact 355) when Jmmanuel lived in the far east & India studying knowledge and secrets in his younger days learning from wise and knowledgable ones named masters, before he became a prophet (TJ 2011 edition 29:24)?"

answer: "Yes."
Salome/Corey Müske
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Kenneth
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 06:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It’s my understanding that Confucianism preserves strong ties to the gods of the people of the Chinese Folk Religion; practitioners of this faith may follow whatever practices they choose and concerns the establishment of human doctrines and rituals necessary to maintaining family and social relationships. Bottom line; Confucianism is just another religion.
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Michael_horn
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We can thank Anthony Alagna for inspiring the time travel blog.
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Hugo
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kenneth, no one listened to Confucius's wise sayings in his time but long after he died. They somewhat turned it into a religion when they shouldn't have.
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Msmichelle
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cpl.....get well soon
MsMichelle
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good point, Hugo:

It is somewhat surprising that the Semjase makes no mention of the yellow races
in her report of the aftermath of the Atlantis inferno ( CR 9 ) *)

“From these all mankind developed…”

147. Semjasa called his son "Adam", which was a word in his language which meant "Earth human being".
148. A similar breeding produced a female, and in later years they were mated to each other.
149. Similarly meanwhile, others had been produced, who then formed groups and tribes.
150. From these, present Earth mankind developed...

“Subjugation of three human races – but not the yellow races …”

153. With newly appointed sub-leaders and guard angels, he brought three human races under his control.
154. These were the ancestors of those who today are known as; Indians; the fair-skinned inhabitants who had settled around the Black Sea; and the third were the Gypsies along the south of the Mediterranean Sea, who were called Hebrews.
155. Through his guard-angels, JHWH Arus subjugated these races, forcing them under his control.
156. As the highest ruler, he allowed himself to become venerated and adored by them.
157. He even allowed them to venerate him above the Creation[12] itself, along with his sub-leaders as assistant creators.

So it seems the yellow races did not have to adore a creator god ...

It is as well a rare, unexplained co-incidence that 3 great teachers, Socrates, Buddha and Confucius, appeared at almost the same time leading to the evolution of their resp. races.

Salome,

Bill

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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_9
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Kenneth
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hugo,

Yes, I suspect that you're correct about people turning Confucius's wise sayings into a religion.

Kenneth
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wishing you good health, CPL.

Salome,

Bill
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Kenneth
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bill,

This information is fascinating. It would appear that this so called "Karma" actually derived from the Yellow race? Another possibility regarding the Yellow race; the timelines are different from their start on Earth than from the Red, White & Brown races. This does go on to say that two yellow races were CREATED and lived in their original native land on the other side of the Milky Way, before coming to Earth.

The following information about the Yellow race was taken from my notes when reading about Billy's Contact Reports very early on in my studies; did not have a link in these specific notes.
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Copyright 1990/1993/2012 by Billy Meier

It is correct that the Chinese and the Japanese human races on Earth are very young. If you calculate backward from the year 1990, they have only settled here on Earth 25,978 years ago, the time that denotes the final colonization on Earth. The background for the appearance of the Chinese and Japanese races is as follows: The two yellow races were created and lived in their original native land on the other side of the Milky Way - on the other side of the central sun of the galaxy, therefore. For this reason it is said that they came from the other side of the sun. Their native system was called the NISAN system, where they lived on planet KUDRA.

Planet KUDRA was discovered by an expedition fleet from Lasan when it left the Lyra systems approximately 16 million years ago to conduct its research and search for human life on the other side of the Milky Way. in the process, the fleet came upon the yellow human KINTEN and NIIPER races who, on Earth, are now called CHINESE (Kinten) and JAPANESE (Niiper).

Their expedition troops at the time brought roughly 4,000 people back to Lasan, whereupon they were settled on various planets, which was their wish. As normally occurs, the population increased, and in the course of thousands and millions of years, the peoples became considerably more populous and eventually occupied five planets in the Lasan alliance of planets.

Then, approximately 6.7 million years ago, these peoples fought wars and had power struggles amongst themselves, whereupon a number of individuals from each race united and fled in 9 spaceships. During their flight they followed a well-known path that had been discovered in the Lyra system by the old Lasans around 22 million years ago before their time, when the Lasans had followed a fragment of a planet and a destroyer planet that had devastated several home planets of the races in the Lyra system. This path led the refugees to an enclave of the galaxy beyond the galaxy's spiral arm, to a sun system with two wonderful planets capable of supporting life - namely, to the SOL system and Earth.

On this planet Earth there existed in former times a gigantic landmass, an island, in a world-encompassing ocean, and this is where the refugees settled, in the remote north-eastern region of the former single continent, the Asia of today. The planet had already produced independent life some millions of years before, including that of human life forms. Furthermore, in some regions they also encountered groups of human beings, whose ancient ancestors had also fled from the Lyra systems.

The newly arriving descendants of the former Kinten and Niiper races, numbering a total of nearly 38,000 people, settled in the North East portion of the Earth's former single continent. However, their colonization took place at a time when powerful upheavals and transformations were taking place on Earth, which meant that the climatic conditions were subject to these changes as well. The newcomers were not prepared for this and were unable to defend themselves against the forces of nature.

Their spaceships quickly deteriorated, for they were unable to withstand the corrosive effects of Earth's atmosphere. After only a few years, when the catastrophe befell them, the ships were useless and inoperative, and every one of the newcomers perished. This then explains how the yellow races arrived here on Earth for the first time 6.7 million years ago, while being, at the same time, only latecomers of ancient inhabitants from the Lyra system who had first settled on a still barren, yet really beautiful Earth and planet Malona some 22 million years ago.

Kenneth
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Cpl
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 02:49 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You can find the Buddha referred to as a prophet twice in CN 437. It's on futureofmankind for anyone to see and find when searching "Buddha prophet."

Read the section on Lamaism and the Dalai Lama. While he didn't understand some things and misunderstood others he taught great truths that did change the world of his time for the better; and certain truths he taught and his indomitable stand for reason and logic rather than faith and belief stand; often in stark contrast to the hoards of followers and leaders who just believe in Buddha and their own fantasies about him and whom fantasize about his teaching.

Thank you MsMichelle. The operation is tomorrow.
Chris

Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Bill. You can call me Chris.
Chris

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Corey
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CPL, Thank you for clarifying your source. I wish you the best health-related, and I hope your operation is not reason for serious concern. :-)
Salome/Corey Müske
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Patm
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kenneth,
Your notes are from contact 236 (Sentences 191 on)

Salome
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Redbeard
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone know for sure which races are indigenous to earth if they still exist, who they are, or if not who they were?

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