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    Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 708 Registered: 08-2010 |
As I have understood from the Goblet of the Truth, nothing affects the spiritform, not even a miscarriage or abortion. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 04-2015 |
Marbar, I don't know the answer to that question but I have an idea how devastating a miscarriage is on females. My sister has no children and has been desperately trying for the past 20 years to have one. She was pregnant 3 times (2 with IVF) and all three were miscarriages. She lost them all at about 4-5 months pregnant. Now she is over 40 and too old to have any children and gave up. If someone tries to talk to her about children she gets very upset and walks off. She even stays away from other peoples/friends children/babies as this also distresses her. Her friends know not to bring their children round when they visit her. Quiet sad she became like that. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 04-2013 |
The spiritform does not enter the fetus/embryo until the 21st day after conception. If a miscarriage happens, it's often more stressful on the woman's psyche than the spiritform; which just waits for another opportunity. The spiritform cannot be harmed or scared in any. "Then a new personality is worked out/developed which incarnates - together with the spirit form - into an embryo at the 21st day after conception. The new personality has nothing in common with the former one!" http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Afterlife | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1263 Registered: 12-2009 |
 The future younger generation: Older people have often commented to me that the younger generation is much more adept with technology, and much more intelligent then they are when they receive the correct (role model) guidance then the older generation is, will these people be re-born after dying in WWIV to progress forward, and balance out their destructive actions of destroying the Earth with their predecessor personalities? Is this what the younger generation currently alive, is being born to do right now? Only to have their optimistic young voices squelched and silenced by the greedy mighty ones in power before they have a chance to make logical, rational decisions concerning this planet, and further their "younger-generation-evolution"? Why must the greedy mighty ones in power have the ability of throwing us all (all countries) over the chasm towards destruction for many generations, by stifling the progress of the younger generation? What sort of role-model portrayal are the greedy mighty ones being? There are many dark and destructive choices the younger generation can make to lose their way, drugs, gangs, criminality, violence, but if they have the right positive instruction, the young generation has many socio-developmental improvements over many of the "belief in God" stricken, stuck in their ways, "bury their heads in the sand to avoid the truth" older folk that exist, and maybe this is foreordained progress? Many in the younger generation realize that religion is false, and do not know where to turn, and they make many mistakes looking for some morsel of truth, and our current society does not allow much positive developmental progress to flourish for very long, without chaining it to one form of religion, or another, or outright hinders progress if it threatens the power structures that have benefited by subjugating the masses for their own benefit. Will the younger generation be the hope of the future, in some generations after disasters caused by overpopulation have wreaked so much havoc, and claimed so many lives? Will the younger generation be the hope of the future, after 6 billion (or more, depending on when this war occurs) people perish during the possible WWIV, and the northern hemisphere is radioactive, and devastated? Will the younger generation be the hope of the future, when colonies on the moon (Luna), Mars, it's moons, and mining the asteroid belt may be necessary for the survival if the Earth will not be very habitable? Why must our people of Earth destroy Terra, for future generations to learn from our mistakes, so they can make collective developmental progress, so our descendants can survive? What road will it take to get there? And what will this road be like? I'm certain it is a difficult road. How many people will have to die because of devolutive mistakes, before reason, rationality, intelligence, and logic can prevail in the minds of those in power? In the future, after destruction/calamity/disaster sets in, will those in power realize their mistake of not humanely controlling population levels when they had the chance before disaster struck, will those in power panic, and try to un-humanely lower birth rates? What sort of "birth-abolishments", and other planetary decrees will have to take place, as an "after-the-fact" contingency-plan/planetary-emergency-measures will manifest as a direct result of our collective suffering due to the effects of overpopulation? Will the Earth take after China's lead, and pass a planetary "one-child-rule", or for many, a "no-child-rule"? And what of the aftermath? What of the mass confusion in consciousness for the Earth-human-being (due to religions), mass suicides, and the downright collapse of society Billy writes about in the prophecies and predictions? What environment will we students of the Geisteslehre be re-born into? Will it be suitable to once again find the teaching (Lehre), and take up the cause of consciousness-based evolution all over again? Will this even be possible for a few lifetimes of being re-born to an almost destroyed Earth? At this future time, will those in power, and the religions, try to take every last droop of blood, sweat, and tears from unimportant persons who are trying to evolve the Earth to some positive (+) developmental progress, will those in power instead use the masses for whatever gives them an advantage, just as they have for millennia,and block any potential progress, which will only lead to stagnation, and devolution of this planet? How much destruction will it take before those in power start "pitching in", and lending a helping hand, and by this time, will it not be too late to avoid unnecessary casualties of overpopulation, devastations of war,and a possible atmospheric collapse? Will the younger generation be there, to take the lead, and help this planet's inhabitants overcome their volatile nature, as our space programs develop out of necessity, and we venture further out into the stars (colonies may be necessary for our future descendants survival, if the Earth is not very habitable)? Will, we, the students of FIGU, be re-born among this younger generation to assist this transition? mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 ----- Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1263 Registered: 12-2009 |
STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) courses are good for the younger generation to be interested in the future, but we will need more then STEM courses to survive what lies ahead, we need the negative effects of overpopulation to be on the forefront of the hearts, and minds of all 9 billion of Earth's inhabitants, and we need to proceed to the future cautiously, so we can humanely lower our birth-rates, because all 9 billion people deserve to survive the future with complete dignity, and the proper creative-natural societal development to ensure all 9 billion people naturally die out of old-age, and the like, with proper personal developmental progress to complete their life-cycle, so all 9 billion can face their natural death with honour-in-dignity as the Terran they are. Why must billions die in a potential fourth world war?  mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 ----- Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey It is very simple, find the aggressive gene and get rid of it. Only then we will learn to lie in peace for ever. joe | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1263 Registered: 12-2009 |
Votan, according to contact 251, we won't have the final rectification of the aging/aggression gene until we make it to Sirius, and get help from Sirian sciences, it is their handiwork, so it seems logical that we would need their assistance in the future. In the the centuries between then and here, small genomic corrections will be done in stages by Terran scientists. It is our near-term situation of events, such as overpopulation effects, and the slippery downslope to WWIV that should be of grave concern to all of us currently alive, plus for many generations to come, for which there are published neutralization recommendations to consider such as: gewaltsame Gewaltsamkeit, the places of fulfilment of guidelines, and a planetary halt in births with 7 year birth-rate checks that are applicable for the current planetary situation, considering our low technological level of sciences (genomic or otherwise), and these recommendations could be used to create peace and harmony in our present situation. Many of these recommendations are published online for free, or in books such as GOTT, and some of my articles about these recommendations have been featured on MH site. http://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/07/using-the-worlds-military-forces-to-establish-peace/ If our planet's people do not survive the near-term, there won't be any future generations born to venture through space to Sirius. mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 ----- Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1263 Registered: 12-2009 |
One of the first stage of reversals of the aging/aggression gene by terrestrials will extend our descendants life-spans to 350-450 years. The final rectification is mentioned later on in the contact: "Thus, humankind on Earth will eventually find its direction back to its origin --- which, of course, will not suddenly resolve mankind's problems by any means. Of course, linked to this discovery will also be contacts with very distant ancestors of the previous "creator-overlords", as well as other intelligences from Sirius that will, by then, no longer lead to the pursuit and slaughter of the genetically-manipulated descendants, the terrestrials. The contacts will lead to a collaboration instead, resulting in the previous genetic manipulation's definitive reversal. This action, in turn, will result in the birth of new descendants who will be normal and no longer be degenerate. The circle finally closes and Man will become a true human being, in equilibrium with the negative and positive." -contact 251 ----- It is possible to become negative/positive equalised in thoughts, feelings, and actions by controlling them, thus changing your genetics some, as well as, balancing your Psyche by studying the spiritual teaching in the current time. Billy said in an interview in 1995, when asked about given our insurmountable situation, what can the individual do, and his response was it's not what can the individual do, it is why aren't the individuals doing what they can do? Billy is a good role model for young, and old alike, who can benefit from the instruction.  mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 ----- Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 418 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Corey for your investigative work. Like you - I still search for the "why" ... Why do we have to suffer through more brutalities / aggressions / wars? Why do we all, esp. our leaders, have to have a much greater lack of wisdom because we only live a much shortened life? Why do we have to wait until we are able to see the Sirians for correcting a mistake they have done? Why could they not leave a hint when they were here (to remove the MIB) some years ago ? Considering that Billy said it would take much too long for us to "change our genetic defect by "outgrowing" it - ... How would one feel if he lived on this planet? My good friend - I do understand you. Salome, Bill | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 560 Registered: 12-2011 |
Bill I totally agree,but I think that it was mentioned before that only the Sirians know how to remove it as Corey stated. Do not know what contact number it was stated. We have to play with our telomeres to increase our life span which might also rid the bad gene, not sure if that is correct. joe | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 404 Registered: 04-2013 |
Our 100+- year life span provides for an accelerated upward mobility and quickening of our learning process so to speak. There are arguments in both directions regarding life spans. First off, we have to ease into increasing our lifespan over time through the teaching of Spirit, Life & Truth, otherwise Earthlings could collapse the infrastructure as it currently exists. Secondly; can you imagine very bad dictators or politicians in office for 350 to 800 years? It appears this has already happened in the past? | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 563 Registered: 12-2011 |
Kenneth In theory this would not happen.Hope that by that time we would overcome religion and the present monetary system. I speak a lot about those two all the time as you would not have bad dictators or politicians. With the bad gene gone too. joe | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1265 Registered: 12-2009 |
Kenneth/Votan: I personally think the future utilization to extending lifespans to the initial 350-450 years will be because for a long time, our first excursions to outer space will be at sub-lightspeed, so our descendants can survive the long journeys, and complete their missions by reaching their destinations. The day our planet can start to phase out religion will be a good one, I've got block 8 saved to my FIGU Swiss book shop cart, and will translate the contact 264 where Ptaah mentions the waning effects of the teletonic Bafath impulses will be residual on Earth for 200-300 more years, when the time comes, I will post it publicly here on the forums. When these "disperse" in 200-300 years time, our planet should have some decent space travel development, which could mean our planet's future people could slowly figure out some of the creative-natural creational laws that govern the universe, which could mean more of these future people could vibrate more correctly in accordance with the swinging waves of the Creation universal consciousness, if barriers from religion are not as big of a hindrance as it is in today's time. More and more future people could do their future part to cast off religion, and develop to embrace what is natural, and reap the consciousness-related benefits congruently when our future planet is in the processes of developing a space travel culture, as an overall learning experience of future individuals pushing the masses forward. The Age of Aquarius is a time of transition, of cosmic change to cast off the old ways of unknowledge, and belief, and embrace the new ways of knowledge, and wisdom. To balance up my theory that in about a few hundred years, this time of cosmic change may go smoother for individuals, which (if we consider Ptaah's statments in contact 264) this time of a few hundred years will also coincide with the dispersal of residual Bafath impulses, are the following passages from Petale from Dekalog/Dodekalog about this time of transition: (*) Petale is speaking about the <prophet> of the new time, Billy, who has the duty to release messages of truth during this time of cosmic change: 68: "It is that he is a human-being as you are, but in your time he has advanced far in his spirit, and for you, the normal average human-being, this is unattainable in this lifetime, as well as the next two lifetimes." 68: "Es ist dies ein Mensch wie du, doch aber im Geiste deiner Zeit weit vorangeschritten und für dich normalen Durchschnittsmenschen in diesem und auch in den nächsten zwei Leben unerreichbar." 69: "You will still need to let two lifetimes and difficult times happen over you, before you can follow his spiritual knowledge, and you will still need three additional lifetimes, before you will be equal to his knowledge." 69: "Noch zwei Leben und schwere Zeiten wirst du über dich ergehen lassen müssen, ehe du seinem geistigen Wissen zu folgen vermagst, und noch drei weitere Leben wirst du danach bedürfen, ehe du seinem Wissen ebenbürtig sein wirst." ---- I am unaware about how much of a direct cue to take from Petale about the forthcoming "difficult times", during those next two lifetimes, but after personally studying the negative effects of overpopulation, the results of my findings is: our planet is in for some difficult times, which could easily (and congruently) last this lifetime, plus the next two additional lifetimes. 3 more additional lifetimes will be required to equalize the knowledge, and my theory is this could be congruent with future positive planetary developments in space-flight, medicine, technology, and unlocking some of the beginning secrets of the Creation. If our planet's future people make beginnings to vibrate more correctly in accordance with the Creation universal consciousness, this is DESIRABLE, and will be beneficial for future consciousness-based development in attaching a oneness with the vibrations of creational swinging-waves. In today's times, this is overall not possible, and the biggest culprit to hindering these DESIRABLE vibrations is Religion, and this is UNDESIRABLE: a developing fulfillment of the casual law of cause and effect of people of the beginning of the 3rd millenium allowing themselves to be controlled/dominated/subjugated by the negative vibrational energies of Religion. When I asked Billy about these passages, and why this process of 5 lifetimes was necessary, his direct response to me was: "5 lifetimes plus 5 existences in the other world (between death an birth) makes a couple hundreds of years. These verses address consciousness-related knowledge only, not the so-called spiritual knowledge." If one considers the answer Billy gave, and take a cue that people that are studying the Geisteslehre, and beginning their 5 lifetime cycle in the present time, will have everything that is learned and understood (as knowledge and and the essence of wisdom)" and brought to success in the current life, is deposited in the storage bank of the other-worldy overall-consciousness-block and is transferred as essence into the subconsciousness of the new consciousness block and its new personality. This essence of everything learnt is given to the new life of the next consciousness block and its new personality to take with it in the subconsciousness as a decisive foundation, through which the fundamental form of the character, of the consciousness, of the personality and of the memory, and so forth, are created. In this manner, the new human being, with his/her new consciousness block and its new personality, is also able to continue with his/her evolution in his/her new life, where it was ended in the last life through the death. The law of creational-natural causality, that is to say of cause and effect, arises in this respect also, namely, in the form that the last evolutive state of the previous life, attains the effect that, in the next life of the new consciousness and its personality, there can be further evolution on a decisively higher state, than was possible in the previous life." (source of quoted material: page 5/6 of http://au.figu.org/content/Wealth%20of%20the%20Non-Gewalt%20and%20Profound%20Spiritual%20Teaching%20Interpretations.pdf original German: "verstanden und zum Erfolg gebracht wird, in der Speicherbank des jenseitigen Gesamtbewusstseinblocks abgelagert und als Essenz ins Unterbewusstsein des neuen Bewusstseinsblocks und dessen neuer Persönlichkeit übertragen wird. Diese Essenz alles Erlernten wird dem neuen Leben des nächsten Bewusstseinsblocks und dessen neuer Persönlichkeit im Unterbewusstsein als massgebender Grundstock mitgegeben, durch den die Grundformen des Charakters, des Bewusstseins, der Persönlichkeit und des Gedächtnisses usw. erschaffen werden. Auf diese Weise vermag der neue Mensch mit seinem neuen Bewusstseinsblock und dessen neuer Persönlichkeit im neuen Leben mit seiner Evolution auch dort fortzufahren, wo diese im letzten Leben durch den Tod beendet wurde. So ergibt sich auch in dieser Beziehung das Gesetz schöpferisch-natürlicher Kausalität resp. der Ursache und Wirkung, und zwar in der Form, dass der letzte Evolutionsstand des vorherigen Lebens die Wirkung dessen erzielt, dass im nächsten Leben des neuen Bewusstseins und dessen Persönlichkeit auf einem massgebend höheren Stand weiterevolutioniert werden kann, als dies im früheren Leben möglich war." ----- So we have answered the "why", and the "how" of the 5 lifetime cycle: So if one considers the hard work attained from arduous study of the Geisteslehre, which benefits the current life through the law of cause and effect, also benefits the future life, by following you as programs to the new consciousness-block as essences, that is also a positive benefit of the law of cause and effect, which can further evolution. This is reason for all students of the Geisteslehre to remain optimistic for their future, even if all heck breaks loose on Earth, and causes suffering that lasts for a long time, we will overcome, develop, and evolve forward towards developmental evolutionary progress, as will the egotistical and autocratic masses, and future Earth governments, who will have lots of lessons to learn from all of the difficult times ahead. * = page 15 verses 68/69 of "Dekalog/Dodekalog" translated rough, and unofficial by Corey Müske, copyright original German: FIGU/BEAM. mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 ----- Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 04-2013 |
Corey, Thank you very much for this information. We are on the same page; you provided with a lot more detailed criteria; much appreciated. Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 420 Registered: 04-2011 |
Very interesting - Thank you, Corey. Salome, Bill | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2016 |
 OM 32:1676 = "The death isn't for nothing, death then brings a new life." Original German verse = "Umsonst ist der Tod nicht, denn er bringt ein neues Leben." = 1 The graphic is for the dual pole = a oneness. This could represent the material lifetime and the death life that together form the oneness of the reincarnation cycle. It could also represent the spirit-form (positive pole) and the human body (negative pole). Death life (Todesleben) = when the spirit-form is in the beyond with the Overall-consciousness-block programming the new personality and consciousness-block (getting ready for rebirth). The Arahat Athersata pure-spirit-level calls when two poles are forming a oneness = a "hyper-oneness". Two equalized poles is the only time development of the consciousness and spirit-from is possible. Development is not possible when there is only one pole present. = 2 ----- These ancient principles are brought anew to the Earth, as a direct result of the great millions of years long Nokodemion-mission. ----- 1 = OM (Omfalon Murado) 32:1676/copyright FIGU-BEAM 2 = page 107 and 141 of "Arahat Athersata" = by FIGU/BEAM Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Yoid Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 12-2008 |
If there are no children , no family then reincarnation next time how happens? I heard it happen in family but when there is none? thanks | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 534 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Yoid, If I understand you correctly; if there are no families and no children; eventually everyone dies off; assuming that it will all start over again from the very basic beginning of evolution, if the planet can still sponsor life? Kenneth | ||
Learnmore12 Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 05-2014 |
Yoid, the birth cessation plan (for a period of 7 years according to Billy) is only to bring down the Earth's population to its normal level (529 million). Until that is achieved, there should not be any birth taking place on this Earth. However, after that, people (who are of reproducible age) can take up the job of having children and continue this world. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 645 Registered: 03-2004 |
Family is not important in reincarnation. It is a good thing that some couples decide to not have children because the world is extremely overpopulated. The ideal population for this planet is 529 million while today, according to the Plejaren, we are already more than 8.5 milliard ("billion") human beings, a much higher figure than the "official" one. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2016 |
Hello all, My latest version of my reincarnation PDF study guide is available for free download on Michael Horn's fantastic website! This latest version includes some tweaks, and some additional notes, and a few translated OM (Omfalon Murado) verses to boot. Get yourself a nice spiritual teaching book from MH website while your there!  http://theyfly.com/sites/default/files/reincarnation.pdf Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 541 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Corey - great work! Salome, Bill | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 871 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you, Corey. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. |
