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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 639
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2017 - 11:41 pm: | 
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Some further explanations to what we (Corey and I)mentioned:
CR 191 *) mentions
“56. Viele der heutignen Erdenmenschen gehörten zur Anfangszeit der beginnenden Übel auf der Erde zur Gruppe von Semjasa, derihr oberster Anführer war, wie bereits erklärt wurde.“
Present translation:
Many of today’s Earth people, in the early days of the beginning of evils on the Earth belonged to the group of Semjasa, who was their supreme leader, as was already explained.
A bit clearer would be:
“Many of today’s Earth people (terrestrial humans) belonged to the group of Semjasa who was their leader in the early days of the beginning evils on Earth, as was already explained."
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From this passage we may conclude that many of us/our fellow humans share a common bond with Semjasa / Gabriel / Quetzal … who together with Asasel was (as Semjase explains in CR 191) responsible for the first nuclear wars on our planet (which extinguished Asasel’s and Semjasa’s people).
Semjase explains that when these people were reborn "their brothers and sisters took them away from our planet and slowly prepared them” for their task to balance the misdeeds, erasing their memory of the terrible past events, converting them to the truth, committing them to work for the truth until all errors were again removed that they – in their lack of understanding – had once committed.
This undertaking took many lifetimes.
And for this task it was necessary that these people would accept and understand the thinking of Earth people:
Hence my view of “evolution on a prison planet”:
To educate / foster a compassionate/loving mind in our world – where we like e.g. Gandhi – are heartfelt driven to establish “equalised-ness and reference for all living beings” on our planet.
“As our present world is but a rebirth of past delusions - giving us a chance to master them ... “:
The many stockpiles of nukes on our planet … they are a great challenge - the task at hand is to abolish (not to increase/use) them.
The main point - education of a different thinking:
To prevent another terrible disaster we need mankind to adopt a different thinking about reality, a different self image.
Not one based on superiority which always leads to separation/confrontation, double standards, enmity and war.
But one build on oneness – equality/equalisedness – balance and love.
Salome,
Bill
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191 |
Hugo
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Post Number: 432
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2017 - 12:40 am: |
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Corey, thanks!
But I got the old version of TJ. Just checked and it is not in there.  |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 719
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2017 - 09:37 am: |
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Corey,
Thanks for the information regarding, “Religion was introduced to the Mars/Malona/Earth societies by the Sirian benefactors that liberated the genetically-manipulated peoples from Sirius“.
Have only found where religion was introduced on Earth; have not read where this happened on Malona and Mars, but it stands to reason and makes sense.
Kenneth |
Joe
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Post Number: 518
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2017 - 04:07 am: |
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Corey,
You said that Quetzal's former personality was one of the fallible Old Lyrans that came to Earth 389,000 years ago, and was a ringleader that affected terrestrials in a negative kind and wise. With his current personality, Quetzal spent 300 years on Earth working for the betterment of this planet, and now is a JHWH commander of 3 worlds that are a part of the large (great) Plejaren Federation.
Could this possibly mean that Quetzal's spirit in a past incarnation was part of the 144,207 leaders and sub-leaders? I am personally not so sure if this is case because if I am not mistaken these 144,207 spirit forms were supposed to stay and reincarnate here on Earth to make amends for their past mistakes. Or am I wrong? |
Corey
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2017 - 02:56 pm: |
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Joe, I think this means the group could have been larger then 144,207 if what we go with contact #191 says that some of the fallible ones were rescued, and rehabilitated out in space by their brothers and sisters (in an interstellar kind and wise), and by what we can read in OM that the 144,207 Old Lyrans remained behind to absolve their misdeeds over 7,000 Earth lifetimes (Earth reincarnation-cycles), and now have the determination of a special mission related to Billy's mission as terrestrials bearing ET spirit-forms.
Billy hasn't really coughed up great details on why some people historically stayed, and why others historically left out in space, but from what I can tell those that stayed, and those that left were rehabilitated, and are working (or have worked like Quetzal did for 300 years) for the betterment of this planet.
Billy has revealed what he knows, or what he thinks we need to know, and it could be the fine details of these rehabilitation events are top secret by the Plejaren, until such time as our civilization is mature (have the proper societal and consciousness-based development), and interstellar enough to understand, and if this is the case, our descendants (future terrestrial-historians) can solve these details themselves through their own time-travel investigations.
Overall the great Nokodemion-Henok mission is very much active on Earth during this new-time until the year 3999 when it goes out to the rest of the universe, and I think all things will balance out in the end. The Earth will one day know the greatest era it has ever had, thanks to the Nokodemion spirit-form, and all the people who will be assisting over the course of the upcoming centuries that will turn into millennia (and eons). I think that is the point of the whole thing.~
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."
27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 640
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 09:22 am: |
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Hi Joe,
What you point out was what I tried to suggest:
That terrestrials should work out past negativities via a compassionate attitude / teaching the Spirit Teaching way of life – just as Quetzal did to terrestrial humans.
I sincerely respect that Quetzal has done so much good for us Earthlings.
But as Corey mentioned his incarnations – does his persona not raise the following question:
Why was he - despite of his past mistakes - allowed to balance his wrong doings without being banished ?
IOW:
If compassionate teaching (without banishment) worked so well for him - could we not expect the same for others as well?
These are my limited “terrestrial human” thoughts.
As Corey mentioned we lack many details *) and many reasons.
I, too, think, that the Plejaren (can ?) only tell us certain truths, which they (or the HC instructing them) think essential for our evolution:
----- We should employ a seeking mind.-----
Salome,
Bill
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E.g. I always wondered what caused the scientists to rebel against Atlantis, were they inspired by Pelegon?
They were certainly well educated – was their knowledge not spiritual?
Was the major point of controversy, as Edgar Cayce’s readings suggest in his description of the Children of the Law of One (spiritual goals) and the Sons of Belial (material goals), the treatment of human-animal hybrids found on Earth ?
(EC does not mention a rebellion of scientists – just those two groupings within the Atlantean society)
I am interested in the history of these past events because current events in our time show many similarities.
It would make sense that history repeats, that a similar scenario is building up so that Earth and Earthlings have a chance to overcome past wrongs and evolve their consciousness - individually and globally.
Like the thinking then, before Atlantis fell (as described by the priest of Sais), so is our present:
It, too, is very much in the grip of material greed / subversion / military strategies and a world wide arms development - all to establish the delusion of superiority - all of which cause an endless spiral of aggression:
Human salvation will depend on how quick we can change course and adopt a more spiritual / universal / equalised-ness / loving view of reality.
And to guide us to a different way of life in our present it would be good to know what caused the past troubles - as this knowledge may prevent us to make the same mistake again.
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What – apart from studying the details given by Billy and the Plejaren - can we do to find out?
As indicated before – if we start / end our day by saying Billy’s “Mein Geist …” prayers we become very conscious of our thinking and the thinking in our world – past and present:
It may sound rather simplistic, but by repeating the same prayer many times in a row, with a heartfelt consciousness of universal love, equalised-ness and oneness, we will develop a very different awareness ... |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 291
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 09:56 am: |
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Tat_tvam_asi
What has Quetzal got to do with what happened in the past? They weren't his wrongdoings. They were the wrongdoings of a former personality. Just because he is linked to this Lyran personality through his spiritform doesn't make him responsible for the crimes committed in the past. Maybe Quetzal felt some duty towards working for the betterment of Earth, or maybe when a spiritform becomes more evolved humans become more in tune with the law of cause and effect and follow this path naturally. It's quite likely after 389,000 years that his spiritform had evolved sufficiently to turn away from wrong thinking. No banishment was ever needed. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 723
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 12:15 pm: |
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Joseph_emmanuel,
Do we really know if Quetzal experienced any forms of banishment or other types of reparations? Even Billy spent time in jail for a perceived wrong doing. Presumably, 389,000 years is approximately 389 Plejaren Reincarnation lifetimes?
Kenneth |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 292
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| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 02:56 pm: |
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Kenneth
How is that even the same? Billy Meier was arrested for something he did as a teenager. Quetzal could not be held accountable for something that was done by someone else 389,000 years ago. That would be totally insane.
If we are to go by the calculations presented in the Meier material regarding the length of time an Earth human's spiritform spends in the spiritual realm, which is 1.52 times his physical life, then 389,000 years, for a Plejaren, would be a lot less than 389 reincarnation lifetimes. Given that the Plejarens live for 1000 years, and considering that their planet is not overpopulated, the length of time their spiritforms spend in the spiritual realm would be much longer than the Earth human being's spiritform. Would it not? |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 724
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 05:22 pm: |
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Joseph_emmanuel,
Granted there is a formula of 1.52 times physical life for Earthlings, I’m assuming that it’s the same for the Plejaren? So figuring on a round number of 1,000 year life span, reincarnation would be approximately every 1,520 years. I'll be more accurate in the future.
Of course Quetzal could not be held accountable for something that was done by someone else 389,000 years ago. That’s not at all what I’m saying.
My point is, Quetzal could have been banished over 300,000 years ago during the lifetime that the asserted incident occurred, we just do not know; unless there is some other detail, somewhere? Billy spent time in jail for something that he did during this lifetime that the asserted incident occurred as well. Billy being a teenager has nothing to do with it.
Again, we do not know the details of Quetzal's (spiritform) events or experiences over 300,000 years ago.
Nonetheless, we are in agreement that just because he is linked to the Lyran race through his spiritform does not make him responsible. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 941
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 06:46 pm: |
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Joseph_e,
Erra is similar in size and relative distance from their sun as Earth is to ours, so the Plejaren will also spend 1.52 times their lifespan in the beyond after death. Assuming an average lifetime of 1,000 years, then 389,000 years divided by 2,520 (1,000 + 1,520) would equate to 154.365 Plejaren lifetimes. All just on average, of course.
However, I am not sure whether the Plejaren always had a 1,000 year lifespan throughout that whole period, or whether there was a time when they also had to live the shortened Earth lifespan.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 641
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2017 - 01:03 am: |
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Add-On for Joseph re. the difference in consciousness development between Erra and Terra (our planet)
Ptaah mentions e.g. in CR 653 *):
95. The consciousness-development of the Erran population, which is to be assessed at between 20 and 30 million years higher than that of the terrestrial human beings, does not enable for us Plejaren any relapses into dark, de-evolutive and inhuman machinations, because the entire Plejaren population has once and for all progressed onto the way of the teaching of the prophets and shall also, with sureness, tread that way further.
Re-lapses on our planet Earth, however, are much more likely (Ptaah, in CR 653):
98. Unfortunately, on the planet Earth there are, in all governments, undergovernments, offices, administrations and branches of government and so in all very important key positions, there is a preponderance of human beings who are might-greedy, paranoid psychopaths, who are recognized as such neither by their co-workers nor by the public.
99. The fact here is also that this bulk of unrighteous-ones and psychopaths operates behind closed doors and, in their markedly characteristic egoism and their might-greed, do everything in a secret wise over and past the will of the folk and make decisions for the folk to their detriment.
100. Indeed, those in the highest positions of government are very mighty figures, but the bulk of them is lacking in clear intellect and conscious rationality, as well as the necessary modesty and responsibility to the folk
101. They are all true leviathans[13] with gigantic might, which they misuse without restraint.
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Semjase explains as well (in CR 191 **)) that our earthly consciousness may easily tempt those who are working on the terrestrial evolution from 389,000 years back.
One major reason being the fact that “… it was also necessary that everyone would change themselves into the thinking of the Earth people and, thus, forget their entire past …”
This ease to be tempted may e.g. explain the mixing of races continuing much later on – in a position of Arus leaders – which created giants on our planet.
But there is some improvement in our time:
Semjase mentions that in our present time no-one has yet degenerated so much that he met with a forcible death or loaded a death guilt upon himself:
79. In addition, this is the first time since the beginning of the great evil that in the present life until now, still no member has degenerated or received harm in such a way that one has met a forcible death or has loaded death-guilt upon himself, which can still happen, however, with one or others who are already strangers to today's group again.
79. Ausserdem ist es das erste Mal seit Beginn des grossen Übels, dass im gegenwärtigen Leben bisher noch kein Glied derartig ausgeartet oder zu Schaden gekommen ist, dass eines einen gewaltsamen Tod |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 642
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| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2017 - 01:10 am: |
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Hyperlinks previous mail:
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_653
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191 |
Corey
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Post Number: 285
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 09:50 pm: |
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On this blue planet, as you all know, a banished criminal upon his/her death (death = on the island, isolated land-tract, or secluded place) would stay in the Earth's reincarnation string, and reincarnate back among the full-fledged citizens of Earth society, in whatever country best matched the vibratory frequency of their given evolutionary level (country would be pre-selected through creational law before birth). This is why it is critical to raise the banished criminal's consciousness-based evolutionary level as much as possible while they are still alive, because they will be re-born with a new personality back among us (do we want these future people to be re-born with a tendency towards the negative pole = and habitual criminality?). Granted some banishable offences allow for monitored societal reintegration after a few years, so these people could die among the general populace, but we want their consciousness-based evolutionary level to be as high as possible also, because after his/her death, they will once again be a future part of our civilization.~
A banished prisoner should have access to the spiritual teaching, GOT teaches this in many places, and as I previously explained, this would aid in the fallible one's "re-balancing" to the better (good) kind and wise, if they did not resist rehabilitation. If they did resist, they would be already separated by gender, and separated from society. This rehabilitation would of course include working outside in free-nature (farming) = which Billy has said is critical to learn from mistakes, and this would be the way for them to provide for their own dinner, and meager existence using only basic tools (no technology).
These detention centers would need to be well-monitored, to record surfacing positive qualities that emerge (as a result of studying the spiritual teaching, and resolving error). These records would be records of the prisoner's evolutionary consciousness development. The smarter, and more logical we are with our prisoners (and our full-fledged citizens), will reflect in what our future civilization is, as those bearing a reincarnating spirit-form.
Steps towards the positive = which would assist them in their future life to lean towards the positive, instead of relearning criminality, and the negative attributes. The general rule of thumb is, the more positive you are in a current life, and try to live in the laws and recommendations of the Creation, the easier it will be to learn these qualities with your successor personalities.
"Goblet of the Truth" verses that instruct the Earth about banishment (places of fulfillment of guidelines): ~2:197, 2:233, 2:388, 3:146, 3:214-3:215, 4:04, 4:25, 4:33, 4:47, 4:54, 4:58, 4:82, 4:83, 4:122, 4:220, 5:33, 5:50, 5:55, 5:137, 6:125, 7:04, 8:68-8:71, 9:99
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."
27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 643
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 10:36 pm: |
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NB
If the hyperlink re Corey’ mail does not work:
Go to the archives of “Books and Booklets / The way to live / Archive through January 17, 2016 / Corey’s Post # 1003 |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 644
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 10:22 pm: |
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Joseph
If you can agree that there is a marked difference evolution by living a long life in a peaceful world to the experience here on Earth you may want to read Corey’s mail:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/2200/13827.html#POST76019
(See 2nd paragraph: 2) CODEX)
But the real point I am trying to make is a very different one:
In October 1981 Quetzal mentioned to Billy that “a new people” must be established *).
In Jan 2016 - CR 642 / Special Bulletin 99 **) (not yet translated) -
Ptaah explained to Billy that the “people” that Quetzal mentioned should be understood as a planet’s people that Nokodemion “created” by teaching them the Teaching of the Truth / Teaching of the Spirit / Teaching of Life.
Thus it would be the same people, in the same place but with a different mind set, a mind that follows the Spirit Teaching – a “planet-wide” Spirit Teaching People.
Thus the different races of a planet may still follow their different customs and cultures but all would follow the Spirit Teaching. He confirms what Billy once replied to Quetzal, that this “people” should originate from Figu.
Billy responds that this has to happen as the ancient prophecies predict.
That the many articles published by active and passive members of Figu will be read by millions which is a great contribution to the mission.
So my post was not to criticize ***)
It wanted to highlight that we should see us creating a new consciousness that underlies human thinking, a consciousness propagated by "Spiritual Teaching People".
And It wanted to highlight the fact that doing so will benefit greatly our evolution – just as it does for Quetzal.
Salome,
Bill
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CR 150:
100. As crazy as it sounds, with the knowledge about the earthly overpopulation:
100. So irr das bei den Kenntnissen um die irdische Überbevölkerung klingt:
101. A new people must be established.
101. Es muss ein neues Volk gegründet werden.
102. But it must be a people that lives in accordance with the natural-creational laws, making it the role model for the large mass of stupefied Earth humanity and affects them instructively.
102. Das jedoch muss ein Volk sein, das gemäss den natürlich-schöpferischen Gesetzen lebt, wodurch es der grossen Masse der verdummten Erdenmenschheit zum Vorbild wird und belehrend auf diese einwirkt
Details see:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150Quetzal mentioned such to Billy on
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http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/bulletin/figu_sonder_bulletin_99.pdf
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I respect Quetzal.
That is why I did not mention him in my first posts re. "Evolution on a Prison Planet" / that compassionate teaching will lighten the burden of people living on a prison planet.
But since Corey mentioned his incarnations I wanted to show what we can learn from it. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2017 - 03:21 am: |
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Kenneth,
We need to be more vigilant about how we construct our sentences. All the time you are referencing Quetzal while alluding to a past existence. You acknowledge that Quetzal "could not be held accountable for something that was done by someone else 389,000 years ago" and yet you're associating his name with the actions of another personality: "Quetzal could have been banished over 300,000 years ago during the lifetime that the asserted incident occurred." No, Quetzal could not have been banished over 300,000 years ago because Quetzal didn't exist at that time. This is a common fault in our thinking, I have noticed. We confuse personalities with each other and spiritforms as our own. It's as though we can't be bothered to make the effort required to be clear in our comments, which I perfectly understand. It is a bit long-winded to differentiate between a present personality and a past personality that are linked by the same spiritform, and to express ourselves in a non-possessive way when referring to our spiritforms. But let's face it, if we can't overcome this simple obstacle by making the effort to think and express ourselves more precisely what chance have we of overcoming the more difficult obstacles? I think we should all try to make a greater effort and immediately point it out when one of us lapses instead of continuing our discussions with a laxed attitude, as to ignore it encourages such lax thinking and can cause confusion.
What you should have said, Kenneth, was "the personality that the spiritform within Quetzal was incarnated in 300,000 years ago could have been banished during his lifetime (assuming he was a man)," or words to that effect, as that would be more correct. It is long-winded. It is impersonal and it forces you to think harder (which is the point, isn't it?) I don't always appreciate it. Sometimes you feel too lazy to think too hard. But maybe, in that case, we should put off commenting until later.
Another thing I want to say is, "our" past lives are not our past lives, they're our spiritforms' past lives. It's like a character out of a play or a film saying I assumed another role prior to my current one.
It's not easy thinking of ourselves as characters rather than the actors, the main players, what with our egos and our vanity, but that's just what we are. We are all characters and this life is the only play we're in. The spiritforms within us, however, will go on to play other roles. |
Carolyn
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You might think that the problems on the earth originated due to the fact that some more "advanced" race of beings left people here who didn't fit into their society. In fact, to take aberrant people off the planet and deposit them somewhere else, where they are cut off from their home and their technology, seems beyond cruel. The race of people who deposited such aberrant people on the earth and left them to fend for themselves here, is a race of people who were obviously not able to deal with any serious problem that came up in their society. In modern language, they were delinquent in that they set up an even bigger problem for the future, which has resulted in the chaos that we see on the earth today. Shame, shame, shame!
A time for every purpose under heaven
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 645
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| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 12:09 am: |
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To the readers of my mails 641 to 644:
They somehow came up in the wrong sequence.
They should be read in the sequence 644-643-641-642.
Joseph,
Yes, our world / universe may be compared with a stage and the “persona” (=gr. for “mask”) allocated to each of a spirit form’s incarnations may be similar to an actor’s role. And yes, you are right, in each of our incarnations we have very different tasks to solve and one or more different roles to play.
But they all combine.
They all are stepping stones on our path to universal oneness.
There is as well a guideline for those 144,207 old Lyrans that failed some 389,000 ago, to change the poison of their misdeed into a tool that creates great benefit for humanity.
To explain this guideline was the purpose of my writing.
So I will put the above (mails 641 to 644) together in their logical sequence.
First up:
We may find it very hard to imagine why the evil was committed some 389,000 years ago.
But the ca. 144,000 were fleeing a terrible, long lasting war.
And wars make man to savages…
Second:
The laws of Creation are equal for all beings in our universe.
So Joe’s question is justified.
We may conclude that there are certain reasons that we do not yet know.
Third:
When you read Corey's mail 1003 *) you will find that the banished ones have to absolve 7000 life times in the challenging environment of our Earth. They have not only to master their mistakes but as well - as Semjase will tell you in CR191 ***) – need to “… change themselves into the thinking of the Earth people …”
Because of that many of us are born into families of different religions or become associated with different religions ^) which does explain that many of us had Christian parents and meet people of e.g. Buddhist or other faiths **)
The reason is – we should fully understand the thinking and motivations of present religious people, so as to guide them at a later stage out of their wrong beliefs.
This is the way of compassionate teaching that I envisaged for Spiritual Teaching People.
It is similar to what Gandhi meant when he said that he wanted to be reborn as an “untouchable girl” in order to fully understand their plight and guide India out of their belief in the caste system ****).
It is not an easy task – there may be many a temptation re-surfacing.
The plight of Arus' ring leaders being re-incarnations from as far back as 389,000 years ago, are but one example.
Semjase confirms that bringing back the truth in our world is not an easy task (CR191 ***)):
She mentions e.g. that our present is the first time that none of those spirit forms that failed some 389,000 years ago did not commit any great misdeed which would incur a death or “death guilt”.
Overall Conclusion:
Our universe is based on oneness.
When we grow into a more spiritual way of living we will live with or find back to this oneness. ****)
So ultimately it does not matter where we fulfil the “roles we are to play”.
But for our fellow humans living on Terra (who have to first outgrow their “adopted” religious beliefs) - we should meet them with the heartfelt understanding that their "mistakes" may result from mistaken beliefs.
That for them to master their "premature cognitive commitments" may be a very “testing time”, indeed.
Each life may be different.
But it always is our task to guide, our and their consciousness, back to the essence of all Creation.
The source of strength for every living being.
The oneness of universal love.
Salome,
Bill
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The hyperlink to Corey’s mail is http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/2200/13827.html#POST76019
As it is very hard to access this passage, I copy its main part:
2) CODEX: The codex, which was dissolved in the 90's, was an ancient spiritual agreement, which applied to a certain small group of ET spirit-forms, who had done some terrible things in Earth history,389,000 years ago, events which had affected terrestrial mankind in a negative way. They were required to reincarnate 7000 different times, each time with a new personality, and consciousness block, until they were back to the guidelines of the laws, and recommendations of Creation. These were not "punishment" incarnations, but "learning" incarnations.
(Archives of “Books and Booklets / The way to live / Archive through January 17, 2016 / Corey’s Post # 1003)
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Billy (and e.g. Jmmanuel), showing the way for us, they, too, became accustomed to most of our world's religions
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It should be said that if we re-read CR653 we will find that religious belief systems based on a Creator God came into being to assist the dictatorial rule of megalomaniacal rulers.
The lie about Creation, the delusion into a belief in superiority, always fosters unrest and double standards:
It lead to aggression in between 5 (of the 11) Plejaren races and destroyed one of the two home planets
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_653
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191
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The events of a human life are hard to fathom.
They are filled with many situations in which we meet a (justly or unjustly) suffering living being.
Sometimes we may feel a great desire to relieve it from its ordeal.
Our thoughts are very creative.
So (in response to a suffering human being)we sometimes may, in later life, enter a similar situation of suffering.
We should then muster a strong life force by connecting with the universal creative forces and undertake the steps to master our (adopted) suffering.
If we succeed we gain the strength to understand and guide a suffering person (similar to the one for which we felt the great compassion) out of its dilemma.
In other words – by reforming our suffering and “misdeeds” into compassion – by making them stepping stones toward the loving aspect of universal life – they become a tool for to evolve - individually and collectively. |
Hoota_thunk
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 06-2017
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Carolyn,
It seems to me that you are almost nearly just about to understand Evolution! with a sprinkling of an iota of an idea of cause and effect and self-responsibility!
Good on you!
- The Silent Revolution of Truth -
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 292
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 08:41 am: |
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Carolyn
I have often pondered this concept for earthbound spirits that have an either questionable past incarnation record or perhaps even somewhat higher advanced spirit form that was used to being in a powerful position with technology or personal drive.
Or all of the above and more.
I can't help but not only analyze certain people that seem to stand out or are in some way different that is not just a personality thing, but a lot of these extremes of intelligence and capabilities.
Peace, Matt |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 808
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 10:13 am: |
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I'm pretty we've all had "questionable" previous incarnations. Your spiritform may be perfect from start to finish, but the personality sure isn't. The people you are railing against Carolyn, could very well be yourself in a previous incarnation. Personal responsibility is what you need to strive for.
PS quit talking to dead people because they don't know any more now than what they knew while alive.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 647
Registered: 04-2011
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Hi Carolyn,
I understand you, Carolyn *).
I know that Billy and the Plejaren advocate banning criminals.
And I am grateful for the many a wisdom and insight they taught.
But we should as well freely discuss our perceptions to enable the growth of our consciousness.
Salome,
Bill
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“One can understand that the Plejaren want to keep their people in peace and harmony.
And yes, the extradition of “unwanted elements of society” to other planets may well be a means to keep the consciousness of the home planet peaceful.
But it is at the expense of the “other (prisoner) planet” - like e.g. our Earth.
One planet in harmony, one not - it sure is one way of achieving a universal balance.
But seeing it with the eyes of a new-born human from the “other planet” - what can this little human expect ?
250 years of peace in 10,000 years is not a very comforting thought.”
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15104.html#POST80121
“I mentioned that the “purity of one planet” may aggravate the “impure consciousness of the prison planet”.
But should not each human start his new life with a “clean sheet” as the teaching of karma is not a part of the Spirit Teaching?”
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15104.html#POST80276
From these sprang my thoughts that compassion could well assist the self-perfection / evolution of people on a prison planet.
I thought it may pre-empt / prevent the build-up of imbalances.
After all no-one is perfect - even the Spirit Teaching support the idea that everyone should learn from his mistakes.
In his book “Genesis” Billy remarks the great suspicion that a person has to endure after serving his time in prison for breaking the laws.
That the authorities will check up on such a person long after he his served his term.
Should it not be so that when one has suffered for his mistake should be re-integrated and given a chance to make amends for his mistake?
Should this not as well apply to someone that was banished, realizes his mistake and wants to make amends?
On our planet, in addition to the dilemma of being a prison planet, comes the fact of the Sirian “gene manipulation” - another great hindrance that Earthlings have to cope with in their evolution.
Because wisdom and peace grows with age – but our genes were manipulated to make us excessive, esp. excessively angry, and to die at a relatively young age, thus making it much harder to learn and overcome our mistakes - compared with a planet where people live long lives. |
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