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    Mind_guerrilla New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2019 |
Dear Forum, I am very sorry for leading folks on a wild goose chase. I NEVER meant to mislead or confuse anybody. I see now that I was grossly mistaken about what I was saying. I feel bad that I crashed this hard. I did not see it coming... Again, I am sorry to the forum for my blundering. Now I know where I made my mistakes thanks to Christian. I will improve from here... Good luck to all of you folks and your studies!!! Best regards, Anthony Alagna | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2901 Registered: 12-1999 |
No problem Anthony, Thank you for stimulating the conversation which lead to new insights for some of us, including myself  Salome | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1004 Registered: 08-2010 |
Anthony, I have already gone through that so many times I am the president of the club. "Lesson Learned - Wisdom Earned" All is well my friend. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 653 Registered: 04-2015 |
Scott, I agree! It's always good to have discussions on new theories and possibilities that go against/outside the teachings even if they turn out to be wrong. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1091 Registered: 08-2004 |
We've all been there, Anthony. Thanks to you and Scott. By discussing your differing conclusions our knowledge has increased. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 970 Registered: 04-2013 |
Scott, I think that I have almost got this? You said, “The DERN universe (where we and Earth exist) and the ANKAR universe (where the Plejaren live) are two of seven universes (dimensions) in the fourth belt of our Creation (Creation Universal Consciousness).” Further on, you mention the ANKAR dimension. If I understand this correctly, the ANKAR universe is another dimension within the DAL universe? Kenneth | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2902 Registered: 12-1999 |
Kenneth, As I understand it the ANKAR Universe is one of seven Universes/Dimensions within the Material Belt of our Creation. The DAL Universe is located within the Material Belt of our "twin" Creation which also has seven Universes within its Material Belt. The only thing I am not clear on is whether the terms DERN and DAL are also used to refer to both Creations or just the universes within each material belt of each Creation....I hope this doesn't sound too confusing ..... | ||
Mosaki Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2015 |
The way I understand it is that each Universe is it's own Creation and there are many Creations which reside in the Absolute Absolutum. Beyond, or higher than the Abslute Absolutum, there are 6 more levels of Creation with the highest and most evolved Creation being the BEING-Absolutum. Everything resides in the BEING-Absolutum including the Nameless Nothing or the Absolute Nothing. From the Future of Mankind site: Absolutum and Absolute Absolutum A total of 85,384,834,560,000,000,000 years of total evolution from the very beginning of this DERN universe up to the SECOND level of evolution where this Creation becomes a Ur-Creation is needed JUST to evolve to the next level of evolution for this Creation, and all other Creations with a material universe in existence, including the DAL-Universe. From the highest to the lowest Absolutum-form: 7. BEING-Absolutum 6. Sohar-Absolutum 5. Super-Absolutum 4. Creations-Absolutum 3. Central-Absolutum 2. Ur-Absolutum 1. Absolute Absolutum. The Absolute Absolutum is the one Absolutum-form that created the very first and lowest Creation-forms, the very first material universes, which evolved up to the first Ur-Creations which on their turn created new material-universe Creations. The other six (6) Absolutum-forms do not create Universes/Creations. Salome, Melissa Osaki | ||
Mosaki Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2015 |
Sorry Scott, my last post stemmed from misreading what you said in post 2902. From what I understand, the entire 7 belts create the whole of the DERN or DAL Universes. This turned out to be a very interesting discussing. Thanks everyone. Salome, Melissa Osaki | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hey Anthony, If anyone understands about making mistakes, it's this forum and it's people. Hell, making mistakes and learning from them is one of the fundamental corner stones of the spiritual teaching :-). It's great to have more critical thinkers onboard! Salome, Niko I recognize my path, which is the truth and living in accordance with it. I carry out my mission for life and for the fulfillment of life. I abide by the creational laws and recommendations, which reign in me as true love and wisdom. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2903 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, The penetration into the "foreign universe" by the Plejarens which was mentioned in Contact 345, (Peaceful People) was into a dimension of the Material Belt of a separate Creation outside of our DERN and DAL Creation. Salome | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1005 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thanks Scott, There needs to be a better designation other than simply "foreign universe" because this term is also a designation for a separate time continuum, a separate universe within the Creation. Can you tell us if this was something clarified by FIGU or some other untranslated part of the contact? If each Creation has its own Universal Prophet, why was the Nokodemion working with these people in an other Creation? Or was this point clarified in a follow up conversation between Billy and Ptaah? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2904 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Eddie, I received this from Christian, but I don't know how he knew, whether it was clarification from Billy, or this was his own conclusion, or it was more specifically covered later in the Contact Report.... | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1006 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thanks Scott, FIGU may want to consider a different term to distinguish between a Creation-universe and universes inside Creations for the English language. It would help eliminate confusion and misunderstandings. This is within the Law of the Equalization. So thereby it would help steer effective discussion and contemplation. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1097 Registered: 08-2004 |
I agree with you here, Eddie. Problem is, the Plejaren use the terms Creation and universe interchangeably. I find it a unique ambiguity among the Plejaren use of language. In the early days of my studying the Meier material, it made it very difficult for me to take the term Creation seriously and hampered my comprehension of what they were talking about. In short, I don't think this is an issue that stops at FIGU's doorstep. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1054 Registered: 08-2010 |
Going back in time and changing already occurred events and happenings. This isn't logical, according to creational laws, for several reasons. For one, it violates the law of the evolution. If human beings were able to go back in time and change anything that had already occurred, then this would delete all the knowledge and wisdom gained by both the human beings that experienced those lives and, the Creation Universal Consciousness itself would be cheated of its evolution. The Creation itself, the universal consciousness, also lives in this time period of the expansion & contraction of the material universe, ie; the Primal-Creation our current Creation will evolve into after the contraction and slumber. The material-belt (universe) is subject to the creational regulation of the Law Of The Causality (Cause & Effect). So it is logical that you can time travel and leave behind something buried from your present, and then dig it up upon your return from the past, to find it has aged accordingly. Please contemplate carefully and studiously the following from the Goblet Of The Truth to better understand. Goblet Of The Truth (German/English) pg. 457 & 459 221) The time is given through the Creation, the universal consciousness, and it also lives in the time, as you humankind of Earth, because as an idea of the Primal-Creation it found a beginning in the big bang and has an end, when it reaches its age of 311 million million, 40 thousand million (311,040,000,000,000) years by earthly time calculation and then forms itself to the Primal-Creation through its process of developmental change; how erroneous it is, therefore, to assume that the time stands still, when the Creation itself is integrated into the time, which it itself has created. 224) The time does not stand still and does not remain the same, because it has been going since the primal beginning of the Creation and all its myriad-fold creations, thus since time immemorial, yesterday, today, tomorrow, in thousands of years and in all future until the end of the time, when the Creation together with all its creations contracts and lies itself in slumber in order to appear in the new awakening as Primal-Creation. A word of advice from the Goblet Of The Truth (German/English) pg 457 220) Not comprehending, i.e. not understanding something and thus taking refuge in a belief instead of searching for the effective truth and fathoming it, means indolence and cowardice as well as thought- and feeling-laziness; this however does not drive the evolution of the consciousness upwards, but rather hinders or suppresses it; thus, you humankind of Earth, raise your eyes, search for, research, fathom and test the real truth according to your natural instinct that is given in you by nature, so that you become truthly knowing therein and do not turn to a belief of any kind, which you can never prove as rightness, because each belief is based on a fiction which can never provide a proof-power Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 546 Registered: 10-2016 |
Salome Eddie, Excellent post. You brought up some really good points, and because of that I will post the accompanying German for you for sake of respecting a complete idea (knowing both sides). Chapter 25: 221) "Die Zeit ist gegeben durch die Schöpfung, das Universalbewusstsein, und auch sie lebt in der Zeit, wie ihr Menschheit der Erde, weil sie als Idee der Urschöpfung einen Anfang im Urknall fand und ein Ende hat, wenn sie ihr Alter von 311 Billionen und 40 Milliarden (311040 000 000 000) Jahren irdischer Zeitrechnung erreicht hat und sich dann durch ihren Wandlungsprozess selbst zur Ur-Schöpfung formt; wie irrig ist es also anzunehmen, die Zeit stehe still, wenn doch die Schöpfung selbst in die Zeit integriert ist, die sie selbst erschaffen hat." 224) "Die Zeit steht nicht still und bleibt nie dieselbe, denn sie geht seit Urbeginn der Schöpfung und aller ihrer myriadenfältigen Kreationen dahin, also seit alters her, gestern, heute, morgen, in Tausenden von Jahren und in alle Zukunft, bis zum Ende der Zeit, wenn die Schöpfung mit all ihren Kreationen wieder vergeht und sich in Schlummer legt, um im neuen Wachwerden als Ur-Schöpfung in Erscheinung zu treten." 220) "Etwas nicht zu begreifen resp. nicht zu verstehen und sich deshalb in einen Glauben flüchten, anstatt nach der effectiven Wahrheit zu suchen und sie zu ergründen, bedeutet Trägheit und Feigheit sowie Gedanken- und Gefühlsfaulheit; das aber führt die Evolution des Bewusstseins nicht aufwärts, sondern verhindert oder unterdrückt sie; also, ihr Menschheit der Erde, hebt euren Blick empor, sucht, forscht, ergründet und prüft die wahrliche Wahrheit gemäss eurem Drang, der in euch von Natur aus gegeben ist, auf dass ihr wahrheitlich wissend seid darin und ihr euch nicht einem Glauben irgendwelcher Art zuwendet, den ihr niemals als Richtigkeit beweisen könnt, weil jeder Glaube auf einer Fiktion beruht, die niemals eine Beweiskraft erbringen kann." * = "Kelch der Wahrheit/Goblet of the Truth" chapter 25 verses 220, 221, and 224 copyright FIGU/BEAM Creative Commons licensing. Sincerely, Corey Müske (Mueske) USA. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1056 Registered: 08-2010 |
Salome Corey, thank you. Regarding logic: Here is a great article. Other topics are also presented. http://www.meiersaken.info/brain_spirit_rebirth.html?fbclid=IwAR27pg-7K8uA85z8ebFii3YIEx3VmMw5KgbUSD6EOfkmqxDKtDYlJUEwcNI Hello Eddie, Please try and be careful when posting Non-FIGU Links, Thanks-Scott (Message edited by scott on July 27, 2019) Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 520 Registered: 02-2010 |
We need to insist, If you are not reading, studying any of the books such as GOT, Might of the Thoughts, you will not comprehend and you'll just confuse yourself and others. Most people on this forum love assisting and answering questions, however, it's obvious, some are not reading or studying the spiritual books, based on your questions and answers given to others. I consider the forum as an unofficial online class room, which is difficult, yet, it teaches all of us to do our own research and discover the truth within our immediate circles and experiences MsMichelle | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1031 Registered: 04-2011 |
Great post, Core! You point to the very core priority where change should happen: "Unless the world governments see it as a priority that they should assist the weak ones with actions such as globality with the Meier case (no more suppression) and change global laws to be in line with the natural laws and recommendations of the Creation …" This is a very, very timely reminder for our aggressively hotting up world raging with so many ominous flash points that could ignite a catastrophic war. And this is so because so many put their self above the natural laws*). Thank you, Corey for pointing this out. Salome, Bill *) But though these laws of nature would never be mentioned by any governing body, they are at work and determine the flow of history: There is a cause for each effect! Today there are so many that praise the "magnificence" of “Classical Rome” belittling its many cruelties. Not one that would highlight that most of its riches were robbed from other countries or “built” by the many they enslaved. False praise begets false realities. Little wonder then that ours is a world flushed with Roman-like “military based real politics”. We can only learn the moral lessons of the past if we perceive our world, its past and present, in oneness with the laws of creation. -------------------------------------------------- “The two most important days in life are the day you are born … and the day you find out why.” (M. Twain) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2036 Registered: 07-2005 |
How could you have a separate the term for universe and Creation when it is one and the same. According to FIGU Creation is... identical to 'Universal Consciousness', which guides and prevails in the BEING of consciousness; it is a double-helix, egg-shaped configuration that simultaneously constitutes the Universe in its growing expansion. Its pulsating double-helix arms live as spiritual energy, while rotating against each other. The Universe is Creation's internal and external body. Creation — through its entirety pulsate the Universal 'Gemüt' (a non-translatable German term for the spiritual counterpart to the psyche) and the Universal Consciousness, the power of life and existence in general. Creation pervades everything and everything pervades Creation, therefore forming oneness within itself. Within this oneness occur all life and all of the evolution allotted to it. Creation has the identical developmental and evolutionary process as every life form, — however, its values of time are anchored in very high values indeed. Creation itself exists in a conscious creative state for seven Great-Times. — Subsequently it lays dormant for an equal number of Great-Times, but this time they last seven times as long. Following this period, Creation is awake to create once again for a period seven times as longer once again than the previous one. (One Great-Time is equal to 311,040,000,000,000 terrestrial years; seven Great-Times add up to 2,177,280,000,000,000 terrestrial years, also called an eternity; 7 x 7 Great-Times make one All-Great-Time.) Creation is The Creation and there exists no Creation other than it within its own Universe. Creation is the Creation of all creations such as the Universe, the galaxies, stars, earths (earth is equivalent to 'planets' in this context), skies, light and darkness, time, space and all multitudes of life forms in existence, each according to its own species. It would be illogical to have a separate term for universe and Creation but rather to identify exactly what the distinguishing features of a time shifted dimension is as none of us here or elsewhere knows exactly what that 'separate and distinct place' is when the Plejaren refer to different time shifted dimension or universe within a universe . When the Plejaren speak of 3 different universes they know of so far I truly think that it is 3 separate Creation/universes because it is 3 very different universe/Creation in the way that Sfath, Ptaah and Quetzal is completely different and separate human beings. When the Plejaren speak of dimensions/universe within universe my analogy of it would be a fused zygote or a siamese twin but a more relevent analogy would be a top quark that exists but has never been seen before because it is in a state of spin that is unobservable which could mean that a different dimension is merely another pocket of space existing within a region simultaneously with our own spacetime that is inverted or inside out so all prevailing condition on the other side or different dimension is merely quarks that have spun out of sight. This is what I think a time shifted dimension is where with technical know-how you could tune your beamship's quark spin to enter into or rather transition into that wavelength or frequency which is just another time shifted space/dimension as demonstrated by Ptaah where his beamship had disappeared out of sight in an instant while a motor vehicle was driving under it. Matt lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1057 Registered: 08-2010 |
Sorry Scott, not sure how/why I thought that was a FIGU link. Now that I looked at the site, I see it isn't. I'll be more attentive in future. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1140 Registered: 08-2004 |
Could someone clarify this. I find the English confusing. There seems to be a mistranslation in the math (not related to the different terminology for thousands, billions or millions that can be found between Europe and the rest of the English speaking world). "Creation itself exists in a conscious creative state for seven Great-Times. -- Subsequently it lays dormant for an equal number of Great-Times, but this time they last seven times as long. Following this period, Creation is awake to create once again for a period seven times as longer once again than the previous one. (One Great-Time is equal to 311,040,000,000,000 terrestrial years; seven Great-Times add up to 2,177,280,000,000,000 terrestrial years, also called an eternity; 7 x 7 Great-Times make one All-Great-Time.)" The confusing part is "but this time they last seven times as long". This English suggests that each Great Time is seven times longer than the previous, making a whole cycle of 7 times 7 cycles 311.04 trillion years multiplied by 823,543 (7 to the power of 7). That is 256.154814 million trillion years. Yet, it says in brackets that seven Great Times add up to 2.17728 quadrillion years. This is surely seven times the first Great Time which should just be the second Creation length period. So it must either be that the "seven times as long" should be the length of the second Great Time, or all seven Great Times are of the same duration making the 2.17728 quadrillion years the entire cycle of seven Great Times. So which is it? The wording suggests it's both, which obviously cannot be. It never mentions Great Times of the same duration, so it looks to me as though the 2.17728 quadrillion years is the length of the second Creation and not what "the seven Great Times add up to". The cycle of the whole seven Creations would be 311.04 trillion years times 823,543 (7 to the power of 7) which is 256,154,814.7 trillion years (256,154.8147 quadrillion years or 256.154814 million trillion years). Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. |
