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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 2925 Registered: 12-1999 |
Chris, See if this helps from Jacob: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/4224.html?1538524413 | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1141 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you, Scott. So the 2.17728 quadrillion years is the length of the second Creation, and not the whole cycle as it says above. Furthermore, where it says above in Matt's 2036 post the "seven Great-Times add up to 2,177,280,000,000,000 terrestrial years" that is also incorrect. The seven Great Time cycles add up to 85,384,834,560,000,000,000 years of total evolution. Also my sum for the final cycle above is incorrect because the total works out to the first Great Time times 117,649 (7 to the power of 6, there are only six more GTs not seven) and I omitted the sleep periods. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 694 Registered: 07-2006 |
@ Cpl (Chris), There are two completely different number systems. For a detailed explanation see: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=eVQgyH0YknQ%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 695 Registered: 07-2006 |
For those interested, regarding the Creational Timeline please see: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=U25QHx4MJoY%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1142 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you, Patt. It's good to know where those are a available. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1069 Registered: 04-2011 |
For those interested I translated a few articles about the modus vivendi of the universe, its galaxies and stars. I did so, because to progress our scientists need a new, more holistic view of life and laws in our universe. Unfortunately I am not yet an expert in wiki-publishing: So far I was only able to publish 2 segments of one CR - with some large gaps and formatting errors (I am waiting for James to come to my rescue). But at least the Forum members can read some new, not yet published CR information: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_250 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1071 Registered: 04-2011 |
>>> A New Science <<< There is something fundamentally wrong in the way science is taught. No, it is not only the formalism and pride that overwhelmed many scientists. It is their failure to see the universe as one living entity. It is their failure to recognize the unifying (non-religious) purpose on which all universal life is based. It is their failure to first teach the oneness and interconnectedness of all things universal. I say so because all things universal, from the material universe to the atom – they all reflect each other. They all are, as Semjase explained, based on the sevenness. The laws of Sevenness and the sevenness of matter structure. E.g. the universe has 7 belts *), as there are 7 levels atoms **). And there is a myriad of individual attributes that point to the oneness and interconnectedness of universal life ***). Everything material is “Big Bang” – born and dies. Like the body of the human being ^) everything material needs to die because during “life in the beyond” the active life experiences of a material being are transformed into evolutionary stepping-stones (e.g. for the human being, his valuable life-experiences are transformed into spiritual knowledge and wisdom, for the animals their valuable life-experiences may be transformed into a sharpening of their animal-instinct etc.). These evolutionary steps through “life in the beyond” will benefit the material being in its next life (as one would conclude by amplifying Quetzals explanations re. the incarnation transmissions for humans ^^). Because, as our planet ^^^), so are all things material – from the universe to the atom – living and evolving beings. And as the larger system evolves so do all the living beings that are a part of it. E.g. as our universe evolves after each of its sleep cycles ^^^^) so do all the living beings that were a part of it. In a similar fashion, when Earth evolves through regional ice ages, all plants, animals and humans will evolve as well ^^). It is this view of universal oneness that – so far - our scientists proudly reject. No, I do not lament their failure to see the necessary and continuous cycle between the two polarities “Fine Material” and “Coarse Material” – that shape the existence and evolution of universal life. I wrote this article because we live in a very dangerous world. A world of thinktanks that do not understand that our world has grown so much that no-one - not even at enormous costs – would be able to supervise it all anymore. A world in which too many scientists work on more terrible, destructive weapons. Men of great knowledge, sure, but without the wisdom that what they do will destroy the world. Men that were taught and learned many “things” – but not that they have a universal (life and) responsibility. It is to them that I address what Semjase’s expressed very pointedly ****): 191. But if man has identified himself with everything in the universe, then no more hatred and greed can dwell in him, because he no longer makes selfish differences. 191. Hat der Mensch aber sich mit allem im Universum identifiziert, dann können kein Hass und keine Gier mehr in ihm wohnen, denn er macht keine selbstsüchtigen Unterschiede mehr. 192. [This is so because] He has become one with the being in everything. Only then, when this is realized, when science is put on a new footing, when every human being is educated to live with the constant thought of universal interconnectedness, can we remove the greed, hate and cries of war that characterize our destructive world today. Salome, Bill *) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_250 **) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070 (Translation Part 1) ***) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15969.html#POST84429 ^) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_097 ^^) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_101 ^^^) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_055 ^^^^) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_119 “After the first coarse-material universe, the coarse-material matter refines itself from universe to universe, until with the seventh stage, all of the coarse-material matter is changed to fine materiality.” (Billy explaining the universe – see just after CR 119:32) ****) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_010 German: 191. Hat der Mensch aber sich mit allem im Universum identifiziert, dann können kein Hass und keine Gier mehr in ihm wohnen, denn er macht keine selbstsüchtigen Unterschiede mehr. 192. Er ist ja eins geworden mit dem Wesen in allem. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1043 Registered: 04-2013 |
Thanks Bill, Nicely said. In the past aerospace involvement, situations evolved where working with several scientists and engineers of many different disciplines, none of which remotely understood or even contemplated the universe as one living entity. Many of the scientists were caught up in various religious organizations. Nonetheless, some did contemplate a possible oneness or interconnectedness of all things universal, but could not really grasp much of anything beyond the “Big Bang”. The laws of Sevenness may have been theorized in one way or another, but understanding the 7 belts of the universe was none existent to them. As Billy had once said, in retrospect, Earthlings are just now stepping out of their baby shoes; that absolutely goes for some of those scientists and engineers. In my opinion, the Spiritual Teaching would have provided them so much more knowledge and wisdom. But as you correctly pointed out, pride in one form or another overwhelmed many scientists. Many are under the illusion that God created Creation; a typical misdirected religious aphorism. Salome Kenneth | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Keneth After what u just said you would realise The Theory/Equation For Everything Based on the fact The Creation is based on Thought and The Seven Fold Laws E=T7 Energy = Thought to The Power of Seven Its very basic science if you think about it I call it The Figu Theory For Everything First was the Big Thought, This thought energy condensed into energy, then the energy condensed into matter. So M= T49 Matter= Thought to power of 49 The Theory For Manifestaion Its very basic science when you think about it The Universe is Mental and based on 7/Thought Its alive eh eh Regards Peter ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1073 Registered: 04-2011 |
(The FoM website can now be accessed – it was down for maintenance) (For hyperlinks to CR 55, 70 and 97 see the article "A New Science" above) Hi Kenneth, Yes, this is exactly the point I try to make: “The Spirit Teaching will provide them with so much more knowledge and wisdom…”. And you are right, too, that they are not bad per se, but that the "hierarchical" views *) that dominate our world do not give them a chance to think more holistically. And so they do not live with a consciousness of universal oneness, they e.g. cannot deduce that what goes on inside the sun is as well what goes on inside our planet. And though they speak about it they can never find the evidence of the Big Bang ***) But Semjase’s hint of the quark (CR 70:15) being the yet to be understood third tier of atoms – it points to the limitations of our current science and that scientists will need to get a new perspective to progress in their research. In the overall view, evolution in our universe relies on the constant change between “coarse material” and “fine matter energy”, as explained by Semjase in CR 55*) I think once scientists (and therefrom all humanity) are taught to think differently, taught to think with a universal mind and responsibility they will realize that the strenuously taught formalism and hierarchical philosophies **) led them on the wrong path, i.e. a path that did not allow them to become aware that our universe is “one living entity” There is no other way: Human progress will validate the Spirit Teaching. Salome, Bill *) “CR 55: 07. The natural evolutionary path of all life forms is universally uniform, …” http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_055 (Earth as an evolving planet) We may add to this CR 97 (after CR 97:34) in which Billy explains re. the evolutionary path of the human being “an out of the body experience must inevitably take place sooner or later if an evolutionary change is to take place”. **) Semjase’s insights on hierarchies – I will translate it and publish it on the Future of Mankind website (but this may take a few days). ***) As Billy explains in CR 250 (last part of the current translation): “And if our astronomy scientists are now searching for the Big Bang, resp. after the (Big Bang), then they can, of course, never find it, because on the outer side of the material universe they only encounter the next belt, which contains no material of gross form and in which they cannot penetrate with all [any of] their instruments, as this is also the case on the inner side of the material-universe, where they are also only able to advance up to the inner belt. Up to the actual core of the universe resp. the core of creation, the scientists are not at all able to penetrate,..” ----------------------------------------------- Hi Peter, I am not quite sure what you meant with “thought to the power of 7” but yes, the Sevenness underlies all creation. E.g. Semjase explains in CR 70:05 (see my article re. “A New Science” above) that the first or primary molecule that formed out of “the materialising spirit mass or spirit energy had 49 (= 7 to the power of 2) atoms (of which only a few are known to Earth Science) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070 (First Translation Part) Salome, Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1074 Registered: 04-2011 |
PS I have now added Semjase's insights re. the "hierarchies" that dominate Earth human lives. Go to the FoM website CR 55 (third translation, at present at the end CR 55:112-122) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_055 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1079 Registered: 04-2011 |
>>> “Scientists Promoting A New Science” ^) <<< There have, indeed, been some scientists who, to some degree – and without any knowledge of the Spirit Teaching - realized that all that exists, exists in oneness, as a part of a living universe. But though their thoughts contained a speck of truth – they expounded as well teachings that were not in line with the Sprit Teaching. To mention but a few: -Ernst Haeckel(1834 – 1919), a German zoologist and physician. Yes, he posthumously become infamous for promoting the idea that the Caucasian race is superior to all other races (which the Nazis, though banning his books on evolution, used to justify their superiority). But he wrote as well a book about the “riddle of the universe” – explaining that each atom possesses a “crystal soul”. - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881 - 1955), was not only a French Jesuit priest but as well a palaeontologist who visualised that the driving force of cosmic evolution was a living universe, explaining that the aim of this evolution was an ever greater interweaving of all life forms and a higher development of consciousness - not only of man, but of all living beings, including the entire universe. - Jean Charon (1920 -1998), a French nuclear physicist who wrote the book “A Holographic Universe”. He regarded electrons as carriers of “elementary consciousness”: “The goal of the electron is developing the order of its Spirit… The electrons which form my body are not only carriers of what I call my spirit, but, in fact, constitute my spirit… By linking with others through love or knowledge, the electron increases its order and ability to hold energy…” – “Love is the simplest and most efficient process to increase negentropy (=> generate more order) in the universe.. “ - And in CR 347*) Billy discusses with Ptaah the validity of a theory put forward by the Australian physicist, Dr. Reginald T. Cahill who presumed that “the human brain is a mirror-image of the universe” That is, as a brain’s neural network of nodes that unite, enhance, or compete with other neural nodes, so is the structure of the universe… By “self-reference”, i.e. by looking at its own functioning, the brain (and universe) gathers consciousness. While Cahill correctly describes the universal-consciousness as an elementary-consciousness (even using the same term that the Spirit Teaching uses), some of his conclusions are incorrect (– details see *) But (acc. to Ptaah) “by and large, the scientist's thought processes are astonishing and could actually lead to great truthful insights” which may – acc. to Billy - assist mankind to abandon its erroneous beliefs. **) In conclusion - There have been some scientists who had some awareness of the universe being one living entity. But neither are their thoughts mainstream physics, nor “main stream education”. Yes, we must depart from the material perspective to truly understand the evolution and modus vivendi of the macro- and microcosm. But as long as man seeks theories “made to fit erroneous beliefs” they are,like Darwin’s bones, “bent” to prove “a certain truth”: There is definitely no better way than studying the Spirit Teaching and the CRs to establish a “New Science” that creates a peaceful world. “(Current) Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is, because in the final analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve… Mind is the matrix of all matter. “ Max Planck (1858 -1947) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^) To be read in conjunction with - - http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1157.html#POST87445 - http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/2679.html#POST87472 *) Ptaah’s and Billy’s evaluation of the scientist’s theory are now translated and published on the FoM website: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_347 **) Philosophically minded “physicists” interested in further details of R.T. Cahill’s theory should google for “Mountain Man Process Physics” ((122 pages, many theorems, theories and formulas) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1086 Registered: 04-2011 |
>>> A New Look At Anti-Matter<<< “For those who want to live longer…” *) --- One of the mysteries that I try to solve refers to CR 127:29 ^): This passage tells the reader about the brain acid that works like the sand in the hour glass, there is a genetically defined amount of this acid to be produced that limits the age of human beings. Arg 1: But Billy does not start the conversation with “You told me about a brain acid that sets the time of a human life”. Instead he tells Semjase that the ‘body of all beings in this universe’ have their own “antimatter”. This is his introductory message. He then asks Semjase how this “antimatter in the human body” originates and how it becomes effective. Semjase compliments him for being a good listener when they once talked about it but tells him he may have confused “Antimaterie” (antimatter) with “Säurematerie” (acid matter). Arg 2: In German These words sound completely different. Billy’s response to Semjase: “Leider eben nicht” The current version of CR 127 translated it without the “nicht” as “Unfortunately so”. Which would imply that Billy rejects Semjase’s first statement (i.e. “that he is a good listener”). And from how the discussion progresses one could well assume that his “Leider eben nicht” may well be related to negate Semjase’s telling him that he has a good memory. It would confirm Benjamin’s translation. But there is a different possibility. That Billy responds to Semjase’s second statement (that he confused “Antimaterie” with “Säurematerie”). Because if we translate “Leider eben nicht” word for word into English we would translate the “not” as well. Including this “nicht” it would result in “Unfortunately not [so].” Or “I am afraid not” - as if to say that what I (Billy) told you (Semjase) that was, indeed, what we then talked about (and sadly there are no contact notes to prove that what I said is right…) Whichever of Semjases’s statements Billy responded to - The truthful translation of “Leider eben nicht” should be 'Unfortunately not". The reader would then have to make a choice whether he should relate his answer to Semjase's first or second sentence. And even if Billy's reply then was to tell Semjase that his memory was not as good, as she said it to be – it still leaves us with the question why Billy mentions initially that "antimatter” is in the human body like it is in the body of any other life form? I mean, this thought must have had an origin. If he never talked about it with Semjase then perhaps Billy wanted - through this play of words - to give us some of his knowledge, a hint? (That it was a mistaken hearing of two same sounding words cannot be the cause - the German word “Antimaterie” sounds very differently to “Säurematerie”.) I highlight this because the asymmetry between matter (extremely large amount of) and antimatter (almost zero) – is one the greatest unsolved mysteries of science...and Billy’s initial and very universal thought that “the material bodies of all universal beings”...(have their own antimatter) **) - it could supply our scientists with yet another puzzle piece that helps them to perceive the universe in the oneness ****) that the word “uni - versus” ***) implies. I do say so, because there are some very obvious similarities between the Lekatron in humans and the antimatter in our universe that may astonish our scientists. ^^^) I.e. what Billy tells us about the process of human aging is but a reflexion of what is going on in the universe and in all other beings. They - from the tiniest speck of dust to the whole universe - produce via internal settings (in humans “genes”) a “time-clock” i.e. an hourglass not filled with sand but with an antimatter-like substance (in humans Lekatron acid) - that limits their set time frame of existence. Salome, Bill --------------------------------------------------- *) … and those that want to stay young and beautiful (no wrinkles!) 😊 It is only matter of regulating your Lekatron acid… and yes our scientists may know already how to adjust it. ^) www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_127 **) Knowing Billy, how he often extracts for us little earthworms information that may assist us in our search for truths that the Plejaren are unwilling to give, he may have left a further discussion about it so that Semjase would explain more about the Lekatron acid that determines the length of human life ***) latin “uni versus” = “turned into one ” I doubt whether the Romans (as most Earth humans today) would have understood its meaning . Theirs was acting not thinking, they took their knowledge from the Greek (which received it from the Library of Alexandria) … which is explained here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14199.html#POST76862 ^^^) The Lekatron acid builds itself during pregnancy, i.e. from the very beginning of the human body and exists only, as Semjase (CR 127:37) tells us, “in a minutely small quantity” - so it is almost invisible in relation to a human body. It is the quite the same with antimatter in its relation to the matter in our material universe: it arises as an opposite to the matter that forms in the material belt and for each part of antimatter there exist ca. 1,000,000,000,000 of matter (or so they (our scientists today) assume): ****) >>> A New Science <<< http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1157.html#POST87445 (Message edited by scott on November 10, 2019) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1102 Registered: 04-2011 |
One more find that tells our world’s scientists to see with the 'eyes of oneness' … *) CR 216:309 Quetzal explaining the flow of ‘ching’ (creative Ur-energy) through the human body: „Still today, unfortunately, the conventional medicine [the medical science as it is taught in schools], views the human being in parts and sections, and exactly this is wrong, because the human being must be viewed medically as a whole.” And so it is for the human being, so it is for all active life forms in our universe - including the universe itself: They all should be seen as a oneness inside the universal oneness that they are a part of. This is not only a prerequisite for any lasting and true progress in science. It will as well influence what humans create / explore. I.e. a scientist that "has identified himself with everything in the universe" will have "no hatred and greed dwell in him, because he no longer makes selfish differences..." CR 10:191. Seeing the world in which we live, the 'prominent display' of ‘new and more’ destructive weapons, and reading what the Henoch Prophecies tell us (e.g. CR 215:187-190 **) - this is why a new perception is urgently needed to preserve the peace on our planet. Salome, Bill German Original: CR 216:309 “Die irdische Schulmedizin sieht leider noch heute den Menschen in Teilen oder Teilbereichen, und genau das ist falsch, denn der Mensch muss auch medizinisch als Ganzes gesehen werden.“ *) Add-on to the articles above (“A new science” – “A new Look at anti-matter”), and e.g. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/8872.html#POST87723 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1105 Registered: 04-2011 |
Perception and Reality The mind of most of the many people in our world is excessively focused. Focused on their computer games, their work, their business, their politics, their religious belief. And so this is their main thought, they are unable to realize that they and everything that lives, lives to fulfil the laws that underlie all universal creation. But a scientist’s work is to observe these laws in action. Observe how they manifest the flow of energy, from negative (yin) to positive (yang). How this is so in all particles and beings including the whole universe. And the more they see that they are all alike, a small universe of their own, the more it dawns on them that “all the universe, with all that it is, is the same idea, condensed and concentrated into the fine- and coarse-substantial energy…” *) And so they perceive, so they teach. And so this view spreads and is accepted, so it is taught in schools. And so the children learn, so the people perceive. And so the people perceive, so is the world they live in. “When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” Max Planck / Quantum Physics Teaching who teaches our teachers. The introduction of a different world view and thinking - it has to come from our scientists. Salome, Bill *) Paraphrasing what Billy said Semjase CR 08: 23-24: www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_008 http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/16236.html#POST85702 forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3447.html#POST85715 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1117 Registered: 04-2011 |
- Creation Repeats Itself - A mirror picture of what happened during the Creation of our universe is repeated as long as the universe exists. We mentioned in our article “A New Science” *) that scientists should adopt the view of universal oneness, that all things material reflect each other. As a further case in point I may add what Billy tells us in CR 224 about the hydrogen flakes of our early universe: Billy explains that at the time the material belt was formed, hydrogen flakes combined themselves to such an extent that incredibly high temperatures arise within their interior and they finally detonate the mass “These were, if I may say so, the first original supernovae or original supernovas of the growing Material Universe Belt Even today and throughout the entire future of the existence of the universe, the same still takes place, its just that the form of the flakes has changed because today, these are huge solar structures that explode out of themselves and eject from themselves all elements in the universe by what means life …” The many hydrogen flakes then - the many stars in our sky today ... As we said - everything is “big bang born” and dies. During this slumber in the beyond an entity’s active life data is collected, analysed, evaluated - it is a necessary step of a life form’s evolutionary progress. And this is so – for all beings – including the universe itself… Moreover, everything there is – the universe included - is but a universe within another universe.. Salome, Bill *) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1157.html#POST87445 An equal respect and awe and reverence for all beings universal should underlie scientific research and all human life. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1118 Registered: 04-2011 |
Today the Astrophysical Journal *) reported that scientists studying more than 2 dozen 12.5 billion year old galaxies have now found what powered the young universe: Hydrogen. Yes, Billy told us that Hydrogen was there in the formation of our universe after the big bang **) He told us this already in 1988. And no, the researchers' assumption that the 12.5 billion year old galaxies were formed soon after the big bang is wrong: According to Semjase our material universe is 46 billion years "young"…. ***) Conclusion: The information given by Billy and the Plejaren saves time and prevents mistaken views. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *) Google for “Supermassive Black holes’ mysterious food stash from infancy of the universe” **) Billy explaining the formation of our universe: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_224 (after CR 224:07) He first quotes a passage of the Spirit Teaching (book Genesis): “The idea of the Creation was in becoming and being born and the coagulation of the becoming visible space was seethed through milky flakes which grew as spiritual and material life into the Creation and the universe. He then interprets it in a scientific manner: “And if I should now explain this in an interpretive way which goes beyond the spiritual teaching ito physics and which should be understandable, then I must do this as follows: The creation flakes, or rather the flakes that were created by Creation and formed in the empty space of the universe, were hydrogen formations, in which all the building blocks or 280 elements of life as well as all matter and gases etc. which were already created by the Creation, were existent…” ***) October 1977 - CR 89:79 (to 88) www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_089 NB Scientists interested in black holes can find many info in Billy’s writings. One of many passages about this topic: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_224 (from CR 224:35-57) PS There are not many topics on this Forum left - The article relates to the other article I just posted. If the moderators find a more suitable topic I kindly ask them to move it there. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1425 Registered: 07-2009 |
Science Begins to Touch Upon the Spiritual Teaching https://theyflyblog.com/?p=8529 Gregg Braden explores new understanding of consciousness | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2106 Registered: 07-2005 |
Its a silly question that we will never know the answer to until we transition into Petale and merge with Creation but I'll ask it anyway for the sake of curiosity but does anybody here really know the answer to what the essence of the spirit is; how the ultra fine spirtual matter right down to the final 7th stage of the building of matter actually works to create that spiritual bigbang; what variety and in what combination of the various ultra fine spirit is involved in the process of creating a Creation in respect to Absolutum; what this thing called the spirit even really is and how many varieties of it there are out there in the fine spiritual dimension; what the process involved is where the spiritual matter condenses to become material matter; what the differences is between our evolutive spirit within us is as oppose to the fine spiritual matter that is non evolutive and why there is even a distinction when we thought all spirit is the same; what the evolutive spirit Petale is merging into in its final phase of merging into Creation; how does a young Creation's spiritual matter or substance differ from the ones above it that don't require a material belt to evolve and how do they suppose to evolve on their own to get to the next level; how does the process of low level Creation evolving into the next higher stage of Creation differ from a lower Absolute Absolutum to the next higher level; It is said all things are just idea therefore even a spirit and the so called Creation is a sizeable idea then who or what created the original idea to set this chain reaction of bigbangs and evolution in motion; If you extract and destroy an idea then can you stop Creation evolving or destroy the fabric of Creation itself even though immortal spirit cannot under any circumstances be destroyed; could you merge one type of spirit with another variety and create a chimera spirit or a mutant spirit even though we humans cannot manipulate spirit; if everything material we could see right now as solid substance is just compacted and condensed spiritual stuff what makes the spirit indivisible as opposed to atoms and molecules what exactly is it about this thing called spirit that you can't just chop up into bits and pieces; what makes the workings of the spirit so intelligent that specific combination of it has made life and natural laws even possible; life and existence alone if proof enough of the mysterious forces behind this possibility and it is that 'something' behind this material existence we know of as Creation that enabled this to occur where the incessant activities of everything that exists pulsating with being and non being unique to its signature and characteristics is sure sign of Creation's design and purpose but the mysterious laid out laws and forces of Creation observable yet mysteriously invisible cannot be altered even with sophisticated technology how is that possible when even galaxies can be destroyed thereby including the possibilities that Creation can also be destroyed using telenons; Matt lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1183 Registered: 08-2004 |
Matt, Please give everyone a break. We're only human. That is not a silly question; it is at least 15 questions that I count. How do you expect anyone to answer all those questions in one post and have it accepted by admin, assuming anyone has the time to compose the answers to 15 questions. Try asking one at a time and you will probably get some useful responses. I would suggest that some of these questions' answers lie beyond the realm of explanation, diction, thoughts, or ideas. Billy has explained the differences between certain types of spirits: those within the human, those within the spirit realms that become "we forms"; and there is a whole section here devoted to that great spirit called Creation. Much is lost in the worlds of comparison. All spirits are different in their status of evolution, but comparing them is as meaningless as comparing people against each other, or their loves; e.g. how is my love for my wife different from the love you have for your wife? It's irrelevant because it just depends upon the person and their life experience. Like the different patterns on clothing; they can be noted -- and the differences in spirits have been noted and given -- but beyond that the differences are meaningless. Just thought I'd comment. I have to get on with the book so I may not be able to follow up. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1184 Registered: 08-2004 |
Tat/Bill, I think you will find that the material universe is 46 trillion rather than 46 billion years old. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1119 Registered: 04-2011 |
“The goal of the electron is to develop the order of its spirit” *) Great post – thank you, Michael! Yes, this is exactly the point of my many posts: That science should begin to touch upon the Spirit Teaching, teach to see with the eyes of the universe itself, that all beings in this universe – are a part and a reflection of the whole . And that the engine of their lives / activities is the same creational force field. Scientists - should sense this unity with the universe, see that it is reflected in so many instances: It is as if it constantly wanted to remind us that everything (us included) is, but a mirror picture of the whole. I say so because at present our science, it is so much based on individualism, on the hollow pride of academia and greed that it can never grasp the teamwork of nature in our universe and the laws that make it evolve. Thank you again for the hyperlink. Salome, Bill *) Jean Charon - Greg’s documentary shows many similarities with Charon’s book “The Holographic Universe” – as well with the thoughts of R.T. Cahill who presumed that the “human brain is a mirror-image of the universe” http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1157.html#POST87484 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1120 Registered: 04-2011 |
Additional thoughts re. Greg Braden's Documentary: … Michael is of course right to point to some of Greg Braden's errors. Not everything Greg says is right. But overall his presentation moves in the right direction - esp. his allusion of a universe that has a consciousness and his term 'holographic universe' mirror what happens in reality: No matter how many times the spirit-energetic Ur-form splits itself into more and more pieces *) they all represent the very same spirit energy of its Ur-form. Something we acknowledge for the human spirit form in the prayer “Mein Geist”… Greg Braden’s views resemble - to a degree - Dr. R.T. Cahill’s 2003 idea that our universe has a consciousness. Ptaah noted some mistakes due to Dr. Cahill’s material perception of physics but was, overall, astonished about the scientist’s thought processes. As was Billy who concluded "This is perhaps a sign that the reality and the truth about creation and its laws are, indeed, slowly being recognized." **) I think they would come to a similar conclusion re. Greg's insights. Salome, Bill *) It is the spirit-energetical Ur-form that creates the coarse material for the purpose of its own evolution – giving each creation a part of its Ur-spirit. And this spirit is of the same strength for all spirit forms, no matter how many it creates. The same modus vivendi that the universe uses to perfect itself, is as well used by all life forms: They all multiply (propagate, have off-springs) so as to improve the quality of their species in accordance with the law of the transformation of quantity into quality: Once nature reaches a certain level, so Hegel, “a certain increase in quantity will bring about a change in quality.” It is this change in quality that propels all creation, that the spirit- energetical Ur-form, and all the spirit forms it created, are apt to achieve. **) Details see www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_347 |
