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    Patm Member Post Number: 743 Registered: 07-2006 |
The DERN-Creation or the DERN Creation Universal Consciousness consists of all 7 belts. Our material-universe (stars, planets, comets, etc., and all material-life) is contained within the matter-belt (4th belt). Within the matter-belt are the seven dimensions (time-space configurations) each which also contain MATERIAL-universes. Our's being the Goran dimension with Earth, the Plejaren's being Siras (Sirand) dimension with Erra plus 5 others I am unaware of. See contact 207 and 724 Hope this helps PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 744 Registered: 07-2006 |
Note: There is a difference between a Creation-Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness) and a material-universe with planets, stars etc. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1140 Registered: 08-2010 |
This is what needs to be clarified. 1. Is the "Renewal" happening every 49-thousand-million years a contraction, like that understood by the end of the 155.5-million-million Contraction, at which point there is no material universe and no life exists... because the entire universe has contracted back to the size of a flea? 2. Is the "Renewal" based on the effects of the law of the passing and renewal where, for example, a Black Hole consumes a galaxy and then recreates a new galaxy? 3. During the "Expansion" and "Contraction": Does the entire Creation (all 7 belts) contract as well, or just the material belt? 4. If the ENTIRE (7-Belt) Creation contracts to the size of a flea, how is the logic to be understood regarding the spiritual planes (Arahat Athersata to Petale) contracting into nothingness, since the entire 7-Belt Creation has contracted to the size of a flea? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 745 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding the expansion/contraction of the Creation-Universe (Creation-Universal Consciousness), each of the 7 belts has a different rate of expansion. from Billy's book 'Teaching Script for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of the Life (Lehrschrift für die Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens) - Question 10 page 16 & Question 51 page 53 1) Ur-(Primal) Core = Central Core-belt (Ur-Kern = Zentralkern-Gürte) .03% 2) Ur-(Primal) Core Belt (Ur-Kern-Gürtel) .46% 3) Ur-(Primal) Space Belt (Ur-Raum-Gürtel) 8.51% 4) Solid Body Belt, material-universe, solid-body universal-belt (Festkörper-Gürtel = Materie-Universum = Festkörper-Universumsgürtel) 16.02% 5) Transformation Belt (Umwandlungs-Gürtel) 32.08% 6) Creation-Spirit Belt (Schöpfungsgeist-Gürtel) 41.81% 7) Ram Belt = Displacement's Belt, Expansion's Belt, Creation's matter - Belt (Ramm-Gürtel = Verdrängungs-Gürtel, Expansions-Gürtel, Schöpfungsmaterie-Gürtel) 1.09% There is also more information regarding the Matter(material)-belt in FIGU Bulletin No. 5 - 'Questions from the Reader-Circle' - Question #2 - 'What is the Universal-matter (material)-belt?' See: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=dFBUiKSHjHs%3d&tabid=866&portalid=0&mid=3027 hope this helps PatM | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1141 Registered: 08-2010 |
I emailed Christian my post #1140 for clarification. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 746 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding your question: "4. If the ENTIRE (7-Belt) Creation contracts to the size of a flea, how is the logic to be understood regarding the spiritual planes (Arahat Athersata to Petale) contracting into nothingness, since the entire 7-Belt Creation has contracted to the size of a flea?" At the end of the contraction period all energy still exists (it is NOT an Nothingness) and only goes into a slumber period. At the end of the 1st slumber period begins a 2nd 7-times longer waking period in which this time there will be no Matter-belt created. At this point the spiritual levels are pure spiritual energy and no longer require a physical/material existence. PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 747 Registered: 07-2006 |
The term 'Matter-belt renewal phase' which occurs every 49 thousand-million years only occurs in the matter-belt, while at the same time the Creation-Universe (all 7 belts) is still expanding. The 'Big Bang' was the beginning of the Creation-Universe (all seven-belts) and also the beginning of the 155.5 million-million Expansion which will followed by 155.5 million-million year contraction. Both the expansion and contraction together of the Creation-Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness) lasts for 311 million-million 40 thousand-million years or 1 Great Time, this is also the 1st Waking period which will be followed by the 1st Slumber Period, which will be followed by 10^48 other Wake/Slumber periods each 7 times longer than the previous. After which the Creation Universal Consciousness, which during this entire time is considered the Absolute-Absolutum's evolution, will transition into the Primal-Absolutum, etc., through all the Absolutum levels to the BEING-Absolutum, when it merges with the Creation. Hope this helps PatM | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1100 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Felinity, LOL, yes indeed; "Christianity has a lot of days where they observe stuff..." All the better to distract good folks from the Truth and the Teaching of Creation, etc. Kenneth | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 748 Registered: 07-2006 |
Eddie, It wasn't from the Absolute Nothingness that the "Big Bang" and the creation of the Creation-Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness) occurred, but rather prior to the "Big Bang" and the creation of our Creation-Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness) there were three other periods known as the 'pre-bearing phase of the Creation' which in total lasted 3 Great Times (933.12 million-million years). This 'Pre-bearing phase of the Creation' came about following: 1) the Absolute Beingless - Nothing space - from this came the ur-first unconscious spirit-energy-impulse-swinging-wave. then came; 2) the first spirit-energetical, intelligence-idea-impulse, from which the first spirit-energy-concentration developed itself, from which the the first conscious spirit-energetical development-impulses originated then came 3) Ur-substance - The first conscious ur-substantive and highly-excitatory spirit-energetical BEING energy which itself during 3 Time Anons developed into the monstrously greatest and most immeasurable amount of spirit-energy as the BEING-Absolutum. 4) BEING-Absolutum - the BEING-Absolutum then created each of the other six Absolutum-forms, one after the other: -SOHAR-Absolutum -Super-Absolutum -Creations-Absolutum -Central-Absolutum -Ur-Absolutum - Absolute-Absolutum each Absolutum-forms then were then ordered into seven levels and each of those seven levels into seven lower levels. then The Absolute-Absolutum created as first Creation Universal Consciousnesses its 49 all-ur-ur-ur-time first Creation Universal Consciousnesses, thus initially 49-fold, i.e., 49 Creation Universal Consciousnesses. At which point began the 'Pre-bearing phase of the Creation' which included first the 'Fetus of Creation - Unconscious Slumber Period' which lasted for 1 Great Time followed by the 'Fetus of Creation - Conscious Waking Period' which also lasted 1 Great Time and that was followed by the 'Fetus of Creation - Conscious Slumber Period' also for 1 Great Time and that was followed finally by the "Big Bang" and the creation of the lowest Creation Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness). Hope this helps explain some things although it will probable raise more questions ....  Salome PatM | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1142 Registered: 08-2010 |
Patm, Indeed, just a few more.  Regarding the Absolutum levels. 1. The DERN Creation is what evolves through the Absolutum levels? 2. Or after the Petale, the spiritforms evolve through the Absolutum levels? 3. Or is it that evolving spiritforms, after the Petale and up through (and beyond) the Absolutum levels, always remains inside our DERN Creation? 4. BEING-Absolutum is an evolved spiritform or an evolved DERN Creation? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 749 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi Eddie, RE: Question 1) The Absolute-Absolutum initially creates 49 Creation Universal Consciousnesses. The 7 main pure-spirit levels of the Creation Universal Consciousnesses are: 1. Arahat Athersata-Level 1) Bodihar-Level (Essence of Wisdom-Level) 2) Jezir-Level (Determination-Level) 3) Hemanub-Level (Formation-Level) 4) Duyana-Level (Guidance-Level) 5) Chanak-Level (Preparation-Level) 6) Jischna-Level (Causes-Level) = (Creation (Schaffung) of causes in the Material level) 7) Karanna-Level (Effect-Level) = (Operation/function in the material level) 2. Lantano-Level 3. Absaly-Level 4. Darmen-Level 5. Euchare-Level 6. Logon-Level 7. Petale-Level These 7 main pure spirit-levels are in turn each divided into 7 of their own lower pure spirit levels (I only went through the lower levels of the Arahat Athersata-level, the 6 other main pure spirit-form levels each also have 7 lower pure spirit form levels). RE: Question 2) Yes, after the pure spirit-forms evolve through the 49 pure spirit levels of the Absolute-Absolutum's Creation Universal Consciousnesses they then evolve into the Primal-Absolutum, etc. RE: Question 3) The DERN Creation (Creation Universal Consciousness) only exists through the 1st Waking Period, i.e., the expansion/contraction period. RE: Question 4) Regarding the BEING-Absolutum See the article at: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=vFbRVELUsPc%3d&tabid=737&portalid=0&mid=2826 This is my understanding (which may contain errors) based on my translations and summaries of Billy's book 'Teaching Script for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of the Life (Lehrschrift für die Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens) Hope this helps PatM | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2188 Registered: 07-2005 |
Is there a set number of spirits that Creation creates? What is that number and does this number have anything to do with the numbers of Creation created? If 10th to the power of 49 different variations of Creations are created from the sizeable idea, does this number also correspond to the number of spirit forms Creation creates for it to evolve from which when merged with it, it evolves into higher Creational levels which in turn creates lower Creation to create yet more of the same numbers of spirit forms? Does this 10th to the power of 49 figure represent the numbers of spirit forms going through its cycle of evolution which will ultimately end up becoming Creation in its own right? When spirit merges with Creation thereby becoming part of it and helping it to evolve and then what? Where does our spiritform fit into the grand scheme of things? It looks like without our human evolutive spiritform Creation cannot evolve to the next stage of Creational form nor can our spiritform not evolve to become one with Creation as it is locked in to this destiny but only in a very rare case that it'll desolve if it hasn't kept up to pace to become one with it but if the laggard spirit forms desolve where does it go or does Creation munch it up as pure energy and use whatever it has accumulated thus far? How did the absolute nothing become absolute nothing without it also going through its own evolutionary path to be able to Create the first ur sizeable idea to create the absolute absolutums? How does the spiritual energy in the absolute nothing differ from AA and Creation? Could the 'absolute something' be the higher form than the 'absolute nothing'? All this higher spiritual energetic stuff is giving me a headache Matt lee Matt lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1143 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hi Eddie, I leave this to you. See my answers inserted below: Am 02.02.2020 um 20:14 schrieb Eddie Martin: Salome Christian, On the FIGU forum, would you please make the following clarifications when you have a moment? Thank you, Eddie This is what needs to be clarified. 1. Is the "Renewal" happening every 49-thousand-million years a contraction, like that understood by the end of the 155.5-million-million Contraction, at which point there is no material universe and no life exists... because the entire universe has contracted back to the size of a flea? (C.F.) No, it's no contraction, since the Creation is still expanding until its age has reached the 155,500,000,000 years. 2. Is the "Renewal" based on the effects of the law of the passing and renewal where, for example, a Black Hole consumes a galaxy and then recreates a new galaxy? (C.F.) Yes, the "renewal" is based on the law of passing and renewal or becoming, just as everything else that exist anywhere. 3. During the "Expansion" and "Contraction": Does the entire Creation (all 7 belts) contract as well, or just the material belt? (C.F.) The entire Creation contracts. 4. If the ENTIRE (7-Belt) Creation contracts to the size of a flea, how is the logic to be understood regarding the spiritual planes (Arahat Athersata to Petale) contracting into nothingness, since the entire 7-Belt Creation has contracted to the size of a flea? (C.F.) There's no such "thing" as "contracting into nothingness", but just "contracting", because the compressed energy from the Creation will exist during a so-called slumber period, after which there will be a next explosion (for becoming a UR-Creation), originating from a source that will be "bigger" than a flea. (C.F.) What must be added to these my answers is that pondering all those aspects of Creation evolving to the SEIN-Absolutum is just an academic discussion that brings no real benefit because we cannot really understand the processes in reality. Of much more importance is to ponder the implications of the spiritual teaching onto one's own thinking and actions and implementing what has been learned into one's everyday life, etc. etc. Salome, Christian Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1188 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Pat, Sorry to complicate matters but I may need some clarification as well. You said (in post 746) “At the end of the contraction period all energy still exists (it is NOT an Nothingness) and only goes into a slumber period. At the end of the 1st slumber period begins a 2nd 7-times longer waking period in which this time there will be no Matter-belt created. At this point the spiritual levels are pure spiritual energy and no longer require a physical/material existence.” Billy said in CR 119 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_119 “After the first coarse-material universe, the coarse-material matter refines itself from universe to universe, until with the seventh stage, all of the coarse-material matter is changed to fine materiality.” (Billy explaining the universe – see just after CR 119:32) Is this in accord with your statement? Salome, Bill | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2189 Registered: 07-2005 |
Using nature as a reference point if 'so above so below, so below so above', microcosm within the macrocosm and macrocosm with microcosms, the incessant creation of life in the never ending cycle of rebirth and death (laying dormant) then is it fair to say that our spirit form having merged with Creation will itself at some point become another Creation in its own right endowed through its own evolutive cycle all the necessary powers to Create its own spirit forms (spreading its seed into the bosoms of the cosmos) where the cycle of life and existence endlessly repeats itself over and over again? Matt lee | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 750 Registered: 07-2006 |
Bill (Tat_tvam_asi), The translation you are using (from FOM at: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_119) isn't quite accurate. (After the first coarse-material universe, the coarse-material matter refines itself from universe to universe, until with the seventh stage, all of the coarse-material matter is changed to fine materiality.) (Nach dem ersten grobstofflichen Universum verfeinert sich die grobstoffliche Materie von Universum zu Universum, bis bei der siebenten Stufe die gesamte grobstoffliche Materie zur Feinstofflichkeit gewandelt ist.) The actual translation should be: After the first coarse-substantial Universe, the coarse-substantial material (matter) refines itself from universe to universe, until up to the seventh step the entire coarse-substantial matter (material) developmentally changes to the fine-fluidalness. "grobstoffliche" should be translated as "coarse-substantial" (see http://dict.figu.org/node/12041) "Feinstofflichkeit" should be translated as "fine-fluidalness" (see http://dict.figu.org/node/2262) "feinstofflich" should be translated as "fine-fluidal" (see http://dict.figu.org/node/2102) My understanding of this (which may be incorrect) is that this is referring to the matter-belt which renews (refines) itself only 7 times when all coarse-substantial matter developmentally changes to the fine-fluidal, after which no coarse-substantial matter will ever exist again. Salome PatM | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1217 Registered: 08-2004 |
So PatM, if Billy has mentioned it, what is the process of the "refining itself from universe to universe"? Does each universe end in a big crunch and the next one begin with a subsequent big bang, or some other process? Thanks for all your great work here, but I still don't see the process. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 751 Registered: 07-2006 |
Chris (Cpl), In FIGU Special Bulletin No. 100 - http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/bulletin/figu_sonder_bulletin_100.pdf on page 26-27 is a question to Billy: Reader Question Hello Christian, I would like to ask you to submit a question if possible for the next FIGU bulletin. You may use my name and the answer can be in Deutsch preferably for all to see. My question concerns the renewal of the material belt every 49 x 1 000 000 000 years. I would like to know if this renewal wipes out all material lifeforms or if the renewal happens somehow in non destructive form. Thank you very much and I hope you and the other group members are all well. Sincerely, Thomas Hall, USA Leserfrage Hallo Christian, ich möchte dich bitten, eine Frage für das nächste FIGU-Bulletin weiterzuleiten. Du darfst meinen Namen erwähnen, und die Antwort kann auf deutsch sein, vorzugsweise für alle zu sehen. Meine Frage betrifft die Erneuerung des Materie-Gürtels (Universumsgürtel) alle 49 Milliarden Jahre. Ich würde gerne wissen, ob diese Erneuerung alle materiellen Lebensformen auslöscht, oder ob diese Erneuerung in einer nicht-destruktiven Form geschieht. Danke dir vielmals, und ich hoffe, dass es dir und allen andern Gruppemitgliedern gut geht. Mit freundlichen Grüssen Thomas Hall, USA Answer The universe renews itself over the course of 49 thousand millions years in a non-destructive, but rather in a transitionless wise, therefore the initial contents of the matter belt remain stored, also all spirit-energies and spirit-forms, which developmentally change themselves and renew in accordance with causality. -Billy Antwort Das Universum erneuert sich im Verlauf von 49 Milliarden Jahren in einer nicht-destruktiven, sondern in einer übergangslosen Weise, folglich die ursprünglichen Inhalte des Materiegürtels erhalten bleiben, auch alle Geistenergien und Geistformen, die sich gemäss der Kausalität wandeln und erneuern. -Billy Hope this helps PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1189 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Pat, You are right that Figu Dictionary uses a different wording. But my question really was not about the wording. It was about your statement that "At this point [=the universe's 2nd 7-times longer waking period] the spiritual levels are pure spiritual energy and no longer require a physical/material existence.” Different to that CR 119 states that it will take until the 7th time the universe is renewing itself that everything changes into the fine fluidal: My understanding then is that when the universe goes through its next cycle ("its 2nd 7-times longer waking period") human life forms will still be material beings though of a somewhat higher consciousness than now. The question then, was: Where did you get your information from? Is, perhaps, your version correcting what Billy said on Feb 3, 1979, as per CR 119 - (just after CR119:32) ? Salome, Bill | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2190 Registered: 07-2005 |
Wake: 2,177,280,000,000,000 (First purely spiritual existence of Creation, no coarse-material matter present) - Sleep: 2,177,280,000,000,000 Bill you said. My understanding then is that when the universe goes through its next cycle ("its 2nd 7-times longer waking period") human life forms will still be material beings though of a somewhat higher consciousness than now. I am a little confused because I was under the impression that in the next cycle that is 7 times longer there will be no coarse matter material but only spiritual energy. Am I missing something here? Matt lee | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 752 Registered: 07-2006 |
Bill (Tat_tvam_asi) From my understanding (which may contain errors): The matter-belt and everything in it (material-universes in all 7 of the space-time dimensions, all galaxies, stars, planets and life) made up of coarse-substantial matter, in our DERN-universe/Creation Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness), was first created 115 thousand-million years ago and will only exist for another 228 thousand-million years for a total of 343 thousand-million years, after which there will exist no other coarse-substantial matter thus no more matter-belt. Then only fine-fluidal and high-fine-fluidal substance will exist at which point all human-spirit-forms will have already developmentally changed or transitioned first through the "High-Council" level then into the first pure spirit-form level Arahat Athersata as pure spirit-forms. RE: There will be on other matter-belt after the first slumber period of the Creation-Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness) is explained in Billy's book 'Teaching Script for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of the Life (Lehrschrift für die Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens) page 53. Here is my authorized translation (which may contain errors): The Creation is existent since around 46.5 million-million years and evolves itself continuously further, and indeed up to the point in time of 155.5 million-million years, where after the contraction, i.e. the fall-back occurs and the universe is dissolved. After the contraction, the Creation itself lies in slumber, evolves further and bears then as a new universe-form, i.e. Creation-form, whereby, however no more matter-belt is given. Die Schöpfung ist existent seit rund 46,5 Billionen Jahren und entwickelt sich ständig weiter, und zwar bis zum Zeitpunkt von 155,5 Billionen Jahren, wonach die Kontraktion resp. der Rücksturz erfolgt und das Universum aufgelöst wird. Nach der Kontraktion legt sich die Schöpfung in Schlummer, evolutioniert weiter und gebiert dann als neue Universumsform resp. Schöpfungsform, wobei jedoch kein Materiegürtel mehr gegeben ist. Hope this helps PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 753 Registered: 07-2006 |
Sorry that was supposed to say: RE: There will be NO other matter-belt after the first slumber period .... PatM | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1218 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you very much for your post 752, PatM. That clarifies the major process/processing of the universe at large after it completes its full expansion and contraction. It makes perfect sense that after all human consciousnesses have evolved into the purely spiritual level that in the next Creation there will be no more need for any material level, but all will be on some level of spiritual existence. I am still unclear on the seven smaller periods of 49 thousand million years each. How does the universe "renew" itself those seven times at the end of each 49 thousand million year period? I don't see how a non-destructive transitionless process accords with the graphic schematic. What am I missing? The schematic shows seven clear divides suggesting a non-seamless transition. So what happens between these 49 thousand million year periods? Without a big bang how do they renew, or what characterizes these divides? Do black holes stop going supernova e.g. with the universe consisting of countless local black holes until all material is within them and then material particles or waves are emitted from them as a new physical universe gradually appears? Thanks always. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. |
