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    Msmichelle Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 02-2010 |
During my daily contemplation and meditation, I silently question my daily struggles and I listen, observe and wonder how I'd possibly dealt with the same struggles during a previous lifetime. I can guarantee, we are living parallel to our former lives, but of course in a different time (year). Therefore, we are possibly making the same mistakes, but on a different level, meaning at a higher awareness of our actions. The fortunate thing is we have all the true, genuine, Spiritual Teaching at our fingertips, meaning eventually we will overcome, correct our behaviors, and become, true, authentic human beings. MsMichelle | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1096 Registered: 04-2011 |
Add-on to my reply to Anthony: You are very right that 250 years of peace in 10,000 years is truly not a very comforting thought. My thoughts re. living on such a planet you find here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15104.html#POST80121 IOW - I do think the best way the best way for human evolution is not to be god-like but to assist others with the truths that we learned in life. That is as well why we are born into religious families. Semjase in CR191 *): We are to “… change ourselves into the thinking of the Earth people …” So many of us are born into families of different religions or become associated with different religions. It explain that many of us had Christian parents, met people of other faiths, other cultures. **) The reason is – we should fully understand the thinking and motivations of present people, so as to guide them out of their wrong beliefs ***) And so we do it to others we do it to ourselves - this, IMO, is the best way to peacefully free us from the misconceptions that haunt our lives. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191 **) It should be said that if we re-read CR653 we will find that religious belief systems based on a Creator God came into being to assist the dictatorial rule of megalomaniacal rulers. The lie about Creation, the delusion into a belief in superiority, always fosters unrest and double standards: It led to aggression in between 5 (of the 11) Plejaren races and destroyed one of the two home planets http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_653 ***) Similar to the compassionate thought attributed to Gandhi who once may have said, he wanted to be reborn as a girl, in the lowest caste in India. It matches as well what – if you were to follow his teachings – Billy did. He returned from AA, wilfully accepting to be "on par" with other humans on our planet, giving up his perfected consciousness, recognizing that to assist human evolution is to assist universal evolution. That is the true purpose Billy lives amongst us: to re-unite the weaker, less developed with the stronger and much more advanced members of a race that split up some 12 billion years ago (CR 251). | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1176 Registered: 08-2004 |
As I understand it, according to Billy's material, only the consciousness is carried over into the new personality. No past events of different personalities are any of the current person's responsibility; they are nothing to do with him or her. Only the consciousness behind certain actions, if not remedied previously are present to be remedied now. In short, everything to work with, or on, is with us now, not in the past. That consciousness that needs working on is here, now. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Channel_z Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2019 |
"So when we read that the singer of the Rasputin song died on the same day (December 31) and the same place (St. Petersburg) where Rasputin was brutally murdered – does this not tell us to have a second thought about its lyrics?" Dear Bill, Bro this is straight-up superstition. And regret the lyrics? How do you know? You are taking this "Lover of the Russian Queen" line emotional. What about the positive elements of the song? Certainly you don't think that he guy was murdered for his song by some curse? This is belief, my friend. It is more likely that he was murdered by Rasputin fanatics or that his death was just a coincidence. Trust me I'm not going to Russia anyway.... All the best, Anthony | ||
Channel_z Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2019 |
"I just wanted to say if you have failed in the past with your former personalities, this is because the world did not have the dedicated spiritual teaching that should be complete globality, nor in you past personalities did the Earth have good leadership because of the Bafath." Hi Corey, You know that the name Nokodemion means "Immaculate Valueful One," right? The impression I get from "immaculate" is that this particular spiritform has had a majority of lifetimes where the personalities did NOT get out of control of the good human nature. And this includes lifetimes with the Bafath and an absence of the written spiritual teaching. So it is my impression that most of the spiritform personalities on Earth fell out of the good human nature, thus adding to the fall of the "outside" world for all the humans. The outside on Earth for the humans is so out of control from nature, that each newly born human is overwhelmed with Ausartung and thus continues this on the "inside" with the thoughts and feelings. This cycle is going to be hard to break and will take a lot of time. But nevertheless it needs to be broken. The only way for positive change is for the individual to take responsibility, for this lifetime and future ones, and work on themselves to improve the inside and thus outside for everybody else. Best regards, Anthony | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1097 Registered: 04-2011 |
Dear Anthony, It is not a curse - it puts a big question mark behind the lyrics of that song. It may have been fate to stop the slander of a man that wanted peace. Salome, Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1098 Registered: 04-2011 |
“Give me night or give me Blücher …” (Wellington’s prayer at 5:45 p.m. on Jun 18, 1815) Hi Anthony, To better explain what I mean - a sample from history: You remember the epic battle of Waterloo? Well, heavy rain had fallen on Jun 17, 1815 during the day and throughout the night. So, on the day of the battle, June 18, 1815, the ground was very soggy and muddy. Because he wanted to attack with his artillery Napoléon waited hoping the ground would dry a little. Yet at midday the ground was still to wet for his guns to be truly effective. But when he let his 120,000 French soldiers attack at midday, they were quickly advancing pushing back Wellington’s 90,000 multi-national (English/Scottish/German) army more and more: Napoléon’s army was close to victory or so it seemed. But then it just so happened on this very foggy day, that late in the afternoon, for only a moment, the fog lifted, the sun came out, shining on the bright armour of Blücher’s 50,000 Prussian troops. This moment decided the battle: The English seeing their ally in the distance, threw all their might in the direction of Blücher’s army and when they combined the battle changed into defeat for the Napoléon’s army. We may call it fate that Napoléon waited until midday: Had he launched his attack in the morning there were no Prussian re-enforcements to assist Wellington’s army – he surely would have won the battle. But it may be truer to say that Napoléon’s iron grip on Europe had exceeded its zenith: That a balance was overdue. I say so because it is the way of nature to balance excesses. It is one of the most fundamental objectivse of all universal laws. And so it is the purpose of each human life to fulfil these laws, we should see our changing environments as a manifestation of these laws. This was my thought. To see human beings and the events they are part of as a manifestation of universal laws. And, in due cause, to support a truthful and rational balance. Salome, Bill | ||
Channel_z Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2019 |
Hi Bill, "My my At Waterloo Napoleon did surrender Oh yeah And I have met my destiny in quite a similar way The history book on the shelf Is always repeating itself" Consider that humans beings are creating their own fate with their thinking. So if the human thinks logically, in line with the flow of nature, his fate is good and natural. But on the other hand if the human thinks illogically, against the nature, his fate is bad and still natural. So I agree the universe is reaching for order of the positive and the negative. Kinda of like, "I feel like I win when I lose." And of course the inverse can be true, "I feel like I lose when I win." So yes I agree with "rational balance" from the human being to universal laws since we live in neutral-positive equalized polarity. Nature is the canvas, oils and brushes to which the human can use to create his picture. The canvas, oils and brushes do not decide the fate, they are just the laws from which the painter can paint. Best regards, Anthony | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1414 Registered: 07-2009 |
Interesting conversation. However, this said by Anthony is incorrect: "...there is no law holding a time traveler back from interacting with the past, thus producing change." | ||
Channel_z Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2019 |
Okay MH then you explain the "grandfather paradox".... Perhaps you would like to join in on the Napoleon discussion going on as well? ;) | ||
Channel_z Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2019 |
Actually I could improve on that sentence, "...there is no law holding a time traveler back from interacting with A past, thus producing change from the perspective of the time traveler." But in reality there is no change going on in a past to that time line because in that particular dimension, out of infinite, a time traveler already killed a guy who only looks like his grandfather. | ||
Felinity Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2019 |
Posted on Friday, November 15, 2019 - 04:07 pm: Edit Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) During my daily contemplation and meditation, I silently question my daily struggles and I listen, observe and wonder how I'd possibly dealt with the same struggles during a previous lifetime. I can guarantee, we are living parallel to our former lives, but of course in a different time (year). Therefore, we are possibly making the same mistakes, but on a different level, meaning at a higher awareness of our actions. The fortunate thing is we have all the true, genuine, Spiritual Teaching at our fingertips, meaning eventually we will overcome, correct our behaviors, and become, true, authentic human beings. MsMichelle This is very poetic, MsMichelle. Thank you for sharing! | ||
Channel_z Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2019 |
Hi folks, After watching the 2019 Nokodemion Presentation from Figu Canada on Youtube, what I find really interesting is that Nokodemion not only these 7 prophets, but also some of the most famous folks in history that brought humanity to the next level in philosophy, science, music, etc. In the 650th Contact it is revealed that the Nokodemion-descendant-people-emigrants or the 144,228 where emigration forces sent to Earth 8 times over a period of millions of years. Many left but 575,914 remained and got caught up in the Earths reincarnation cycle. According to the Ptaah, about half are incarnated and this accounts for deaths and new births. Ptaah also reveals that these 144,000 are consistently responsible for Earth's progress over the years, even over native Earth spiritforms; but also responsible for ignoring creational laws and directives, elevating themselves to deities to early man and bringing religions to life throughout the globe, not just to the large populations but also the most remote tribes. I would suspect the famous historical personalities who led crusades, wars, dictatorships, brutal inhumane rules, etc. were incarnates of the 144,000. Some might wonder how could Billy or the spiritform inside him, been SOOO many of Earth's most famous people? And furthermore, how could these 144,000 also be consistently historical figures as well? This seems ridiculous at first until you look for clues in nature. With big horn sheep, like other hoofed herd animals, males compete for the group of females. This is an example where nature drives the strongest to lead and protect the weaker of the species; so the more knowledgeable humans are supposed to assist and protect the lesser knowledgeable ones. This is easily evident with a trained teacher assisting unknowing children. It would be illogical for the children to instruct the teacher in the subject matter he or she is trained. So this is how reality works. So it would seem that the older, more advanced spiritforms when incarnated, position themselves, with their abundant talent, in leading roles to assist the younger spirits. When we consider only 250 years of peace in history, and consistently the most brutal and cruel rulers imaginable, the sad thing is that these 144,000 spiritforms had set a bad example for the native Earth humans, even though they had brought some good. But the bad prevailed in their efforts to the point where the entire outside environment today has deteriorated with all sorts of evil, with humanity out of line with nature; this is making the inside world for the individual human sick and hard to find the truth. So the strongest spiritforms, aside from Nokodemion the immaculate spirit, have driven their herd OFF A CLIFF! Now it is bad for everybody including the 144,000. That is why it is VERY IMPORTANT duty for leaders to lead with the creational laws and directives for the greater good of humanity including their future selves; otherwise the older, stronger spiritforms will create a future that destroys everything. Best regards, Anthony | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1415 Registered: 07-2009 |
Anthony, I asked Christian for clarification and he said: "Interacting is possible, of course, as for example leaving an object in the past (as in the case of Jitschi and Jechieli), but not making anything undone." | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1177 Registered: 08-2004 |
The grandfather paradox does not exist except in the minds of weak philosophers. Simply put: Assuming the person could go back, any number of millions of things could, and at least one would, happen to prevent him from shooting his grandfather. He didn't achieve it; the present is the proof he failed. Why these scientists cannot see this is staggering. I wrote a paper that included this and other time manipulating arguments but I cannot get it online. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Capitene New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2019 |
Good morning, unfortunately I do not speak or write fluently in English or German, so I do the use of the application translator: But would I like to clarify what would be exactly the storage bank? | ||
Lemontree Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 08-2012 |
There's a description of the "storage banks" here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Storage_Banks Can I ask if when my spirit re-incarnates in the next life, will that new human be me? I know gender, race, etc., can be different and personality is totally new. But will I be self-conscious again in the next human life? Or it will be someone else altogether and I'll be over. Thanks | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 833 Registered: 04-2015 |
Lemontree, My understanding is when a person dies, so does their material consciousness/personality. Only a persons spirit form continues next life. So if by "will that new human be me?" , you are meaning your consciousness/personality, the answer would be no, your spirit form will create a new one. As with race and gender, I think they will likely be the same but they can change. I recall reading in the contact notes Semjase was telling Billy about some of the Figu core 49 members next incarnations, all but one were the same sex next life. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 661 Registered: 02-2010 |
Lemontree, my layman's or laywoman's answer is this: You will always be awake, meaning, you will always be "alive" for the rest of your journey. (materially and spiritually) Therefore, at some point in your evolution, you will be "aware" of your former lives, due to your "storage bank". A little more simplier: You will have "impulses" of your former self(s) due to your "storage bank" and have moments of "deja vu" either via your dreams or experiences. You will receive impulses via your 7 senses, however, you can choice to "listen" or not, because there is no such thing as "I didn't know", actually, it's a case of "I choose to remain un-knowledgeable" and remain "irresponsible". MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 777 Registered: 07-2006 |
First of all, from my understanding, there is a difference between development and evolution. Development occurs over one life-time while evolution occurs across several life-times, e.g., the consciousness develops while the spirit-form evolves. Secondly there is a difference between the dying and the death. The dying is the beginning of the decomposition-life, i.e., the deconstruction-life, in other words the decay and decomposition of the former material body, where the corpse-shell (all material remains) begins its transformation into material life-atoms and energy (vital motion/life motion). The death (death-life) begins when the consciousness-block and the spirit-form each enter their own realms of the other-world after leaving the material body behind. The following is my translation (which may contain errors) of an excerpt from Billy's book, 'Rebirth, Life, Dying, Death and Sorrow (Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer) pages 148 - 149: With the passing of the body and the entering of the death-life for the spirit-form and the consciousness-block, the I/ego dissolves, consequently solely still the consciousness-center and the therefrom originating personality continue to exist, - included in the overall-consciousness-block - through its energy and power works out all still unworked-out things from the actual life, store in the storage-banks and then likewise dissolve itself and become neutral overall-consciousness-block (spiritual) energy. Thereby - together with the spirit-form in its realm of the other world - only the overall-consciousness-block remains bursting with energy, which by its own accord through its neutral energy and power a new consciousness is created, which carries with in itself also a new personality and a new I/ego. Mit dem Ableben des Körpers und dem Eintreten des Todeslebens für die Geistform und den GesamtBewusstseinblock löst sich das Ich/Ego auf, folglich allein noch das Bewusstseinszentrum und die daraus hervorgehende Persönlichkeit weiterbestehen, die - im Gesamtbewusstseinblock enthalten - durch dessen Energie und Kraft alles noch Unverarbeitete aus dem aktuellen Leben verarbeiten, in den Speicherbänken ablagern und sich dann ebenfalls auflösen und zur neutralen Gesamtbewusstseinblock-Energie werden. Dadurch bleibt - nebst der Geistform in ihrem Jenseitsbereich - nur der energiegeladene Gesamtbewusstseinblock übrig, der aus sich selbst heraus durch seine neutrale Energie und Kraft ein neues Bewusstsein erschafft, das in sich auch eine neue Persönlichkeit und ein neues Ich/Ego birgt. Once the new consciousness-block incarnates with the associated reincarnating spirit-form into a new body (21 days after conception) all impulses stored in the storage-bank of previous personalities immediately begin to influence the new life through 'inspirations of the subconsciousness'. The previous life's consciousness-block (consciousness + personaity) does not evolve into a new consciousness. The new consciousness begins its own development in the new current life-time. From the same book pages 151-152 Billy answers the question "What must the storage banks be understood as? (Als was müssen Speicherbänke verstanden werden?)" as follows: With the storage-banks it is a matter of factors, in which everything is registered, consequently everything connected with thoughts, feelings, emotions and other impulsations of the human beings. It is however also stores his/her deeds and actions and his/her mentality, vices, pathological cravings, habits, passions, fear and anxieties, hopes, wishes and movements, etc. Furthermore all spoken, thought or sung words and completely all things and everything, which the human being also always in positive and negative form undertakes, learns, does and creates in love, knowledge and essence of wisdom, etc., is also impulse-based deposited, i.e., stored in the storage-banks. Bei den Speicherbänken handelt es sich um Faktoren, in denen alles registriert wird, folglich alles an Gedanken, Gefühlen, Emotionen und sonstigen Regungen des Menschen. Es werden aber auch dessen Handlungen und Taten und dessen Gesinnung, Laster, Süchte, Gewohnheiten, Leidenschaften, Furcht und Ängste, Hoffnungen, Wünsche und Bewegungen usw. gespeichert. Weiter werden auch alle gesprochenen, gedachten oder gesungenen Worte und restlos alle Dinge und alles, was der Mensch auch immer in positiver und negativer Form unternimmt, lernt, tut und an Liebe, Wissen und Weisheit erschafft usw., in den Speicherbänken impulsmässig abgelagert resp. gespeichert. The impulses of human beings deposited in the storage-banks can be 'withdrawn' both consciously and unconsciously as well as subconsciously by the human beings or by his/her next following personality and in turn by their next personality, etc., and be used as knowledge to further the consciousness-development. The rule is however that, unconscious and subconscious withdrawal of the old impulses from the storage-banks, whereby the impulses then penetrate into the consciousness as inspirations of the subconsciousness or as the 'first thought'. Through this possibility it is given, that the human being can from the knowledge, the love and from the essence of wisdom of his/her preceding personality of the last or several preceding lives use valueful impulses in many ways. Depending upon consciousness-state of the human beings he/she is able thereby to naturally retrieve also impulses of negative form and these then use in likewise negative form. Die in den Speicherbänken abgelagerten Impulse eines Menschen können sowohl bewusst als auch unbewusst sowie unterbewusst vom Menschen oder von seiner nächstfolgenden Persönlichkeit und wiederum von deren nächster Persönlichkeit usw. <abgezogen> und als Wissen zur weiteren Bewusstseinsevolution genutzt werden. Die Regel ist jedoch das , unbewusste und unterbewusste Abziehen der alten Impulse aus den Speicherbänken, wobei die Impulse dann als Ahnung oder als <erster> ins Bewusstsein dringen. Durch diese Möglichkeit ist es gegeben, dass der Mensch vom Wissen, der Liebe und von der Weisheit seiner vorgegangenen Persönlichkeit des letzten oder mehrerer vorgegangener Leben wertvolle Impulse in mancherlei Hinsicht nutzen kann. Je nach Bewusstseinszustand des Menschen vermag er dadurch natürlich auch Impulse negativer Form abzuziehen und diese dann in ebenfalls negativer Form zu nutzen. Please also see the Reincarnation/Incarnation process drawing at: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Reincarnation-Incarnation-Process-sec.pdf Hope this helps PatM | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 01-2011 |
Dearest all, These are just some of my own reflections on how to apply this knowledge of the Akashic Records: 1. Awareness is the key—we strive to become aware of what is transpiring, as well as our natural human responses. 2. Next, we aim for the Acceptance of what is, without modification or judgment. This means we acknowledge and allow everything and everyone (including ourselves) to be exactly “as is” in any given moment. We describe, rather than evaluate, our observations; this is significantly more powerful than passing judgment because we don’t weigh down what we observe with any subjective meaning. 3. Acceptance is followed by Appreciation, which is founded in recognizing and understanding the positive value of our choices that brought us to this place in our lives. It involves a measure of comprehending our prior selections as befitting at the time they were made. 4. Finally, we arrive at Appropriate Action, the stage at which we seek to take action expressing our Innermost Self in the best way possible. This is our road that should be chosen along with the Fact of the Akashic in our day to day lives both coming and going! bronzedesk Mat And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 778 Registered: 07-2006 |
Another note regarding storage banks: Fauna and flora also have storage-banks, unlike human beings with a conscious-consciousness basis of storage-banks, fauna have an instinct-consciousness basis of storage-banks, while flora have an impulse-consciousness basis of storage-banks. The storage-banks of human beings, fauna and flora all are planetary-based, which is different for solid and gaseous matter which is of energy-consciousness and is universal-based, not planetary-based, and stores all spiritual-creational-energy in the belt of the material universe. Summarized from my translation (which may contain errors) of page 112 of Billy's book 'Teaching Script for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of the Life (Lehrschrift für die Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens) Hope this helps PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 779 Registered: 07-2006 |
@Bronzedesk Regarding the term 'Akashic Records' from Questions to Billy Sept 30, 2007: Question Hello Billy, I am confused about something. Are the "Storage Banks" and the "Akashic Records" the same thing or are they different? If they are different, what is that difference. Answer: The term “Akashic Records” was used during the first years (in the seventies) because the people were able to somehow grasp its meaning. As more and more information was given, the correct term “Storage Banks” had to be used. “Akashic Records” (Akasha-Chronik) is a term that has been invented/used by Rudolf Steiner, meaning “World Conscience”. It is something entirely different from the storage banks. Hope this helps PatM |
