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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2350 Registered: 07-2005 |
Good on ya Jacob thanks for taking the time to clarify. Just been through the last pages of the decalogue in the last couple of weeks once again where it deals with AA and Creation and I must say we will never know. Matt lee | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 798 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding the Absolutums you may want to read an article by Billy from his book 'Teaching Script for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of the Life (Lehrschrift für die Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens) titled 'Ur-Subsebtile-Initialization-energy = Ur-substance of the BEING-Absolutum, what is to understand from this? (Ur-Subsebtile-Erregungsenergie = Ur-Substanz des SEIN-Absolutum, was ist darunter zu verstehen?)' pages 126 - 128, which can be found at: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Public/Documents/Teaching%20Script%20-%20Question%20115-sec.pdf Hope this helps PatM | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1281 Registered: 08-2004 |
That makes truly fascinating reading. Thank you, PatM. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2351 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Pat. Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1377 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Pat – very appreciated. Bill | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 04-2020 |
That is truly an impressive timeline chart there, Pat. Did you put that together? "Coarse-substantial matter thus the matter-belt will exist for about 2.5(2.401)million-million years" And yet it still seems like I don't have enough time in a day. Regards Bob | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1380 Registered: 04-2011 |
>>> The Term 'Spirit' <<< “The term ‘spirit’ originally meant as well “Ur-initialization” in the sense of ‘Ur-energy’, although, however, the term had lost its actual sense over time and, wrongly and out of non-understanding, its sense was changed to be the thinking-consciousness of the human being as well as his/her intellect and his /her power of intellect." What actually creates a new universe? Is it the thoughts of a group of Petale “we” personalities ? Do their thoughts create the Ur-Spirit -Energy? Or is it the collective creative force of the universal consciousness (when It reaches a certain level)? Or what else is it? Did perhaps the meaning of the word “spirit” change when the doctrine of a personal creator god took hold? (Combining the doctrine “God’s thought created the world” with 'holy books' declaring “God created man in his image” ?) Because it has to be said, that human thoughts - are - very creative in relation to the human body (changing our feelings, cells, genes *)) and as well the swinging waves of our environment. Salome, Bill *) Feelings: Ptaah mentions in CR 440:20-21 ^) that within nano seconds unconscious thoughts cause feelings and decisions and sentiments of trusting / mistrusting in what we perceive to arise. Cells: Thinking causes our brains to release neurotransmitters which allow a communication with another neuron, stimulating a muscle cell, gland cell or brain cell. The neuro-chemical changes they create can be lasting or temporary. Lynne Mc Taggart: "Thoughts literally program our cells ” “Every thought we have is a tangible energy with the power to transform... There are thousands upon thousands of receptors on each body cell. Each receptor is specific to one peptide. When we have feelings of anger, sadness, excitement, happiness we release a flurry of neuro-peptides. Those peptides surge through the human body and connect with those cell receptors which then cause a change of the structure of each cell as a whole. If a cell has been overexposed to certain peptides then the new cell that it produces through its cell division will have more of the corresponding receptors.. Thoughts literally program our cells ” Genes: We are what happens in our life. And what happens in our life changes our genes. We may think of genes as little square “On/Off Tick boxes” for the life experiences we have. That is to say – our thoughts create the chemicals that change our genetic setup (clicking the DNA properties on or off) How important is the quality of our thinking? Well, 95 % of genes linked to disorders are related to negative experiences in our life. And the better the quality of our thinking, the more beneficial is the response of our body: E.g. when we consciously practice a sense of gratitude we create a surge of rewarding neurotransmitters (dopamine!) and experience an alertness and brightness in our mind. And when we perceive with love our brains become much more active and creative. Mind, body and environment are one Our mind not only influences our body but as well our environment: E.g. in CR 440 ^) Billy mentions that a peace meditation of thousands of people will change the collective consciousness – neutralizing negative effects. And, if I remember right, it was said somewhere that Pelegon (the swinging wave of his mind?) could make a tree grow / flourish … ^) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_440 | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 800 Registered: 07-2006 |
@Kenneth, Thank you for the correction. The updated Creational Timeline drawing is at the same link: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Creational%20Timeline-sec.pdf Salome PatM | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1150 Registered: 04-2013 |
Bill, Your statement, “…that Pelegon (the swinging wave of his mind?) could make a tree grow / flourish … This reminds me of a statement by many that Emmanuel, (called Jesus) with proper nutrients could also make plants grow faster, according to witnesses at the time. However, the writings during that time we should maybe take it with a jaundiced (cynical) eye, unless it is verified by Billy or the Plejaren, in my opinion. It also reminds me of the “Parable of the Mustard Seed”. Do not worry, I am not getting religious on you, LOL.  Kenneth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1150 Registered: 04-2013 |
Patm, Thank you, that is a relief. Removal of the Destroyer Planet-Comet, that is one thing off our plate, LOL .  Salome Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1385 Registered: 04-2011 |
Negative thoughts promote suffering and sickness (Add-on to 1380 / Power of Thoughts) Billy (telling Ptaah what Sfath had taught him) Unfortunately, lying, concealing and slandering are unpleasant things that are commonplace among earthlings, and accordingly cause evil, negative and bad thoughts and feelings in those who are addicted to these wrong behaviours. Especially thoughts and feelings related to lies and slander influence, damage and weaken the immune system as well as any other form of negative thoughts and feelings, thus causing or even promoting many ailments and diseases. So it is not only negative and bad thoughts and feelings concerning one's own well-being or non-well-being that promote suffering and sickness, but also the wrong mental and emotional behaviour with regard to lying, slandering, as well as the deeds and actions connected with it. For this reason, a great many people who are addicted to lying and slander are also subject to suffering and illness, which, depending on the intensity of lying and slander, is usually expressed in psychological and psychosomatic damage. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_557 (after CR557:21) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1386 Registered: 04-2011 |
German Original Leider sind bei den Erdlingen das Lügen, Verheimlichen und Verleumden unschöne Dinge, die gang und gäbe sind und auch dementsprechend böse, negative und schlechte Gedanken und Gefühle in jenen hervorrufen, welche diesen falschen Verhaltensweisen verfallen sind. Ganz speziell Gedanken und Gefühle in bezug auf Lügen und Verleumdungen beeinflussen, schädigen und schwächen das Immunsystem ebenso wie auch jegliche andere Formen von negativen Gedanken und Gefühlen, folglich dadurch viele Leiden und Krankheiten gefördert oder gar ausgelöst werden. Es sind also nicht nur negative und schlechte Gedanken und Gefühle in bezug auf das eigene Wohlergehen oder Nicht-Wohlergehen, die Leiden und Krankheiten fördern, sondern es sind auch die falschen gedanklich-gefühlsmässigen Verhaltensweisen in bezug auf das Lügen, Verleumden, wie aber auch hinsichtlich der damit verbundenen Taten und Handlungen. Daher sind auch sehr viele Menschen, die der Lüge und dem Verleumden verfallen sind, Leiden und Krankheiten verfallen, die je gemäss der lügenhaften und verleumderischen Intensität in der Regel durch psychische und psychosomatische Schäden zum Ausdruck kommen. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 886 Registered: 04-2015 |
Tat_tvam_asi, That must be why past prophets and this one (Billy) live a long time compared to the rest of us. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1285 Registered: 08-2004 |
And, Hugo, why most people who banish such negative thoughts live long lives, barring accidents. Most long-lived people have an agreeable nature. Many people witness this with their aging grandparents. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Pup_stump New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2020 |
Hello Jacob and forum, Although the information concerning the Absolute Nothingness and Absolutum-forms of the Creation/Universe are a great mystery, an “...immeasurable secret, which can-not be fathomed by the human beings,” there still are important spiritual lessons to be found. In the translation provided by Patm of “Teaching Script for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of the Life” Question 115 we find, “The Absolute Nothingness is to be understood in the following wise, that in the Absolute Nothing-ness, i.e. in the Absolute Nothing-Space no trace of any form of a coarse material, i.e. substance exists. It is for this reason only that it is called Absolute Nothingness.” So why is this important? In the 10th Contact, or Intro to the Spiritual Teaching, Semjase explains, “258. The finite things are always and at all times afflicted with some deficiencies, because everything that is finite brings with it problems and difficulties. 259. If the human being loves or possesses something finite, it has at least the deficiency that it is transient with absolute certainty.” Everything that is material, that which is finite, succumbs to the law of “becoming and then passing away.” Whereas, as Semjase explains, “217. The truth is that which is immortal, like the Creation as such, it is that which is eternal in time, that which is relatively absolutely fully developed, that which is worth all energies and the total investment of will by the human being, because with it the human being does not fall prey to any deception.” So we have a distinction that all that is material is finite, verses the spiritual which is immortal or infinite. So striving for the material is like striving for something that does not exist, a delusion, unrefined and full of deficiencies. As the Creation is striving toward greater and greater refinement, it leaves behind that which is less refined or finite, eventually the material. We learn from Figu that even the human being through evolution eventually sheds the body, the material, and enters a spiritual existence. And “Depending on the Absolutum-form, this energy is also an Ur-Spirit-energy, the constitution of which differs from Absolutum-form to Absolutum-form in its fineness and purity, becoming finer and purer the higher the Absolutum-form is classified. Conse-quently the finest and purest energy is given in the Absolute Nothingness...” So what does this mean to the human being? Or how can the human being apply this concept of material (finite, limited, delusion) vs spiritual (infinite, unlimited, Absolute Nothingness) in their daily lives? Again in the 10th Contact Semjase explains, “130. The human outer nature, however, is full of limitations, because it is not the inner core nature itself, but only its shell, its material body, a limitation, a matter leading into delusion, the source of hardship and pain, limited in cognition and will, in readiness to make sacrifices, in freedom, love and happiness. 47. The eternal truth is not subject to any fluctuations or any changes, and its laws never have to be revised and, therefore, never have to be adapted to a new time.” If one reflects on the concept of “becoming and then passing away” of the material, it becomes apparent that human beings suffer hardship and pain because they are striving and focused on something that is transient and finite, and are tricked into thinking (rather believing) that this is somehow permanent. But to the spiritually striving student, all hardship and pain is limited to a condition of “becoming and then passing away.” We tend to think that “becoming and then passing away” only deals with the life of a human or other lifeform. In other words, a person is born, then grows to reach a relative perfection, and then dies. But this concept also applies for example to an injury or sickness. A person can be injured and then heal from this affliction, thus becoming and then passing from one condition to another. If one looks at life, all material circumstances, be it hardship or pain or good times and health, all these things go through this process of change or becoming and then passing. So the spiritually striving students knows that in times of hardship or pain, this is only temporary and finite to his/her life. The spiritual value is in discovering what is infinite in this process is constant change. And it then becomes illogical for the human “181. However, because of a little pain s/he already becomes angry, grouchy and unpleasant towards others, or s/he even starts to complain and to cry, has self-pity or robs him/herself of his/her life.” For the spiritually minded human realizes that it is illogical that a person's life would only be filled with good times, free of pain; just as it is ridiculous to believe that a life is only hardship and pain. So the lesson for the human is to let go of the material, regardless if it is currently providing good or bad, for it is not permanent; and instead reach for the understanding that these conditions are only an opportunity to get in line with change. Take for example the behavior of some folks as a result of the pandemic. There are many folks who oppose the quarantines and rebel against the change in their lives and want to go back to normal activities at all costs. For example many people flock to bars and restaurants, and other large social gatherings, because they cannot let go of one material condition and flow into another. These folks ignore the reality of life, where there is a constant flow of becoming and then passing away, and succumb to an illusion of what they believed to be permanent. Instead, the spiritually striving human is on the lookout for change and any new condition as a fact of life. Therefore the spiritually striving human sees any material condition as “nothingness.” Best regards, Anthony Alagna | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1213 Registered: 08-2010 |
To Jacob and Anthony Unfortunately (but good for me), I am currently overwhelmed and concentrating on a business development I'm in to manufacture and distribute hand sanitizers, sanitizer wipes (hospital grade 75% ethyl alcohol). We are hoping to also manufacture masks and gowns. So I may not participate much on the forum for now. I did want to say that Jacob's post had all sorts of thoughts and wonders slam into me like a sledgehammer and hope to one day get some answers, even if it is just for academic discussion and wonder. Anthony, what you articulated in your post#1 describes my own experience up to the point that I began to grasp, understand and then recognize what I was reading in the Goblet Of The Truth. I had life completely misunderstood, religion/God never explained creational laws and recommendations, such as the law of the contrarinessess, the law of cause & effect, the law of the becoming & passing... just these alone would have helped me in life and I would have avoided the terrible state I lived in for so many years. I would achieve some measure of success but then failure would set in. Once I began to gain empowerment from my study of the Goblet, my life began to slowly change for the better. The secrets to a successful life are stored in the books Goblet of the Truth and Might of the Thoughts, and for the secret sciences, the book Arahat Athersata. Now that I am slowly understanding creational laws and recommendations, I can recognize what I call "the counter-ballance". Anything that exists, whether of the thoughts or of the material world, all and everything is regulated by creational laws and their recommendations. This is good because inconsistency (law of contrarinessess) is balanced by consistency (love, knowledge, wisdom, power, the powers and abilities of the consciousness, etc.). At first, to merge oneself in alignment with creational regulation is a fun challenge and is full of frustrating & exciting moments. Life right now is exciting for me. I recognize the Creation all around me. The creational regulations are there so that we can plan effectively, steer and control our fate and achieve any goal with the right measures and factors in balance with the law of moderation in all things. I can't wait for more and more people to take up courage and seriously scrutinize the Goblet of the Truth, once this happens, life on Earth will be a paradise. Full of amazing inventions, solutions to so many problems, the creative inspiration and informative intuition will help terrestrials develop wonders and amazements. May everyone be so inspired. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1158 Registered: 04-2013 |
Pup_stump (Anthony), Wow, very well said. Welcome to the FIGU forum. It is obvious that you have been doing some reading and studying of the Spiritual Teaching. Apparently this is your first time on this forum, Your understanding of the Teaching is impressive. Salome Kenneth | ||
Pup_stump New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2020 |
Kenneth my friend, I am an old timer and go back to the beginning. I made it kinda like a puzzle that can easily be confirmed as me. I always use my first and last name at least once. Then I leave it up to others to keep up... The point of the post was to engage discussion not praise. I hope you, Jacob and others point to ideas and hope to bring the discussion further, more refined.... Cheers! AA | ||
Pup_stump New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2020 |
Dear Eddie, I certainly enjoy reading your posts here. I too study the Figu books. Like you I have my favorites. The law of contrariness is quite simple, it deals with polarity. The Universe is not negative or positive, it is negative and positive at the same time! And of course Meier teaches neutral-positive, which takes into account the negative pole. That is how you reach for neutrality from a positive. Certainly in very scary times it is easy to think that things are just bad or negative only. But this would be illogical. Every bad turn for a person is also a good turn. Even in the most negative circumstances, there exists alongside it an equal amount of positives going for his/her life.... Cheers! Anthony | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2356 Registered: 07-2005 |
Anthony why does a student of the spiritual teaching need to change his username so often as you instead of sticking to the one you originally started off with. Are you trying to run away from something especially the past. If this is the case then why not accept your own advice by walking the talk and accept the positive as well as the negative contained in the hyper unity of things especially your past mistakes by first not succumbing to the compulsion to change your username out of fear, insecurity, the urge to evade and avoid discomfort and or any other related feelings such as embarrassment and loss of face. Isn't that the cause behind the confusion that you've created for others rather than other people's lack of understanding or judgement. Matt lee | ||
Jacob New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2019 |
Over the last couple of years I have been really thinking about the spiritual teaching, what the Plejarens have said, etc. I think that the most important thing what a person can do is to study and act upon the spiritual teaching which can be acted up in the here and now, let me clarify what I mean. There are a few premises on which I build my thinking. The premise of time: The Earth humans and the Plejarens share a common lineage which means that they both follow the same physical and consciousness-related development processes in life. Both the earth humans and Plejarens get into puberty around age 10 - 14, they mature physically late teens, early 20s…and that’s where the similarities end. Normally, consciousness-related maturity sets in around mid to late 70s after which a human is regarded as an adult, even when his or her body is already full grown for a long time by that time. However this applies only to the Plejarens, since they live for a 1000 years or more. The Plejarens have the lifespan and the opportunity to study and learn to become a true human in the first 7 decades of their lives, while the earth humans are very short lived and never reach consciousness-related maturity. We die as consciousness-related youngsters before ever reaching true adulthood not in the least because we only learn about 11% of what makes a true adult. Based on this information, I am thinking, my life is so short, maybe just 3 of 4 more decades are given to me before my spirit form goes into the beyond again, so how to spend this very short amount of time? I have to be really picky on what is beneficial to my consciousness-related evolution and what is not. Knowing for sure that my life is short…what are the next premises? The premise of opportunity: In this life we are given the opportunity to study the spiritual teaching, way ahead of the vast majority, the chance to become a better human, to enhance good traits, improve knowledge and wisdom, on the other hand eliminate ausartungen (either positive or negative), learn as much as possible so that our successor personalities have an easier time and better chances to progress even faster. This because the impulses we set free now are stored in the storage banks and will hit our successor personality depending on how these impulses are, neutral-positive or otherwise. So, I came to the conclusion that I should spend this life to learn as much as possible, to eliminate bad traits, faults and other negative-unbalanced and positive-unbalanced things even when I know for certain that I will never reach consciousness-related maturity in this life, simply because of the lack of time. This does not deter me…not one bit. The premise of surrounding: The universal-consciousness Creation provides all life, from the highest developed spirit form in the highest sub-level with in the pure-spiritual level of Petale, down to the lowest primordial human beings, to single celled organisms, it provides for everything needed, nourishment, space and time to live in and evolutionary potential. However the Creation does not hand it down, each life form has to work for it, and by work is meant to evolve. A quote from the OM: 1283. Die Schöpfung hat für jede Lebensform Futter bereit, sie wirft es aber keiner ins Nest. 
 Rough English translation. (The word ‘food’ has a deeper meaning) 1283. Creation has food ready for every life form, but it does not throw it into the nest. So this means that it is possible to learn about natural creative laws and recommendations by really looking to nature, something which is very close, even closer that ones own breath. When I throw a rock in the water, the ripples in the water symbolize cause and effect, the might of the thought. The ripples in the water will reach the shore and affect everything and everyone they hit and those ripples will be reflected back to its source. When I want to understand life and death and the temporary state of the material I just have to observe nature, plant seeds, watch them grow, blossom, bear fruit, whiter away and die. So many more things can be read from nature directly. Think about Jmmanuel and his parabels. From nature and the Creation directly around us and in us we can learn so much, all that we will ever need in this lifetime and into the distant future. Remember this from Billy, it stems also from an old post of mine: The gathering of true knowledge can only be done by the material-consciousness, its rationality, intellect in logic by means of experiences, learning from mistakes, recognizing the laws of the universal-consciousness Creation and applying this knowledge in daily life. This application is done in the following three steps process, explained by Billy: 1) verinnerlichen 2) in sich selbst umsetzen 3) nach aussen wirksam werden lassen durch das eigene Handeln 1] The word „verinnerlichen“ does not exist in English, but could be explained as completely „taking up“ something’s meaning and value within oneself. 2] Assimilate what has been „verinnerlicht“ within oneself. 3] If it = the knowledge is really assimilated within oneself and when it profoundly permeates one’s thinking, it will influence one’s actions, which are visible and detectable by other people etc With this all being said, I am not saying people should not study the information about the BEING-Absolutum of Absolute nothing in endless duration, but keep it in moderation, enjoy what is directly around you, it reveals more than you see at first glance. This post sum up some of my thoughts in this matter, what people do with this is up to them. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Pup_stump Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2020 |
Hello Lee, I see that instead of contributing to the discussion that I started, you try to marginalize me. Okay master Lee, you have found the truth; I am a mistake prone human being, just like you. However, I do my best to learn from my mistakes. As far as my various user names, it is not about "fear, insecurity, the urge to evade and avoid discomfort" but rather my puzzle and game, Beatle clues. Think of it as a from of reincarnation and a way to play games with the (kind) people of Figu. Now certainly, I have been banned and chased off of Figu forums and blogs. At a certain point it becomes counterproductive to continue at times. So instead of giving up, I try to reinvent myself each time after a period of reflection. It would be different if I was posting nonsense, and folks had justification for driving crazy away. Instead it has more to do with folks rebelling against the truth. I challenge you to attack my content rather than my personality. Cheers! AA | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 706 Registered: 02-2010 |
You know Anthony, sometimes I capture your humor and sometimes I don't, sometimes, I understand your intentions and sometimes I don't...If you have a purpose for contining to return to the forum out of millions of other forums out there, maybe I would understand, however, this is a small group of people on this forum, discussing this and discussing that, and yes, we get on each others' nerves!! My point, are you serious about this mission or the spiritual teaching, or are you looking for a means to express yourself? Even though, Matt Lee and I have had our disagreements, I do not appreciate you using "master Lee". Personally, I find it unnecessary and now I question your motives and I will not allow, any type of disparaging remarks to exist in my presence. MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) |
