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    Kenneth Member Post Number: 988 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Msmichelle, You are very intuitive. Yes the Spiritual Teaching helped me to understand Fluidalenergies and much more. I also agree that Billy’s book are the Teaching and we humans must then apply what is being taught, which in effect relieved the pain of my son’s loss. What I’m actually experiencing though, is my loss; understanding why Christopher experienced this fatal CF disease was more than likely for his Spiritual growth. Nonetheless, he was extremely intelligent, advanced math was pretty much second nature for him. He was an instrumentalist musician, a magician and an organizer. He also became a pilot and flew a piper cub type aircraft at the age of 13. You are correct Michelle, I still do feel his (Fluidalforce) presence which is not only part of the Planet’s experience, but also because I have been sensitized to his Fluidal-energy vibration, in my opinion. Thanks for the heartwarming response Salome Kenneth | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 676 Registered: 07-2006 |
One of my favorite articles by Billy from his book,'Rebirth, Life, Dying, Death and Sorrow (Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer)' is titled 'Whatever is preserved in Love, does not get lost with the Death (Was in Liebe bewahrt wird, geht mit dem Tod nicht verloren). Please see my translation (which may contain errors) at: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=1TWQ98wk3y0%3d&tabid=737&portalid=0&mid=2826 Salome PatM | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 917 Registered: 12-2011 |
I remember years back when a photo was taken of me on the hillside and when the photo came back developed there was a white shadow next to me holding out his arms up just like me. I checked with the developer and they assured me that it was not a printing error. I wish that I kept the photo as proof. joe | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1010 Registered: 08-2010 |
Kenneth, I still have and sometimes wear a shirt of mine which my late wife used to wear when she was alive... which I am now grateful that she did. I am extremely fortunate to have had her in my life and I miss her invaluable wisdom and wise advice she always imparted. I can recognize those qualities, character, virtues and approach to applying wisdom which came natural to her and now through my study of the Goblet of the Truth, I think I understand her even better now and how I too can be just as wise. The more I learn from the teaching of the prophets, the more I reflect in wonder with the Creation, the life and existence of a human being, the law of the evolution and the beautiful magnificence of being human. Her personality pertains to the law of the passing & becoming but her spiritform is eternal and one day all of us will live in the spiritual planes from Arahat Athersata to the Petale in our beautiful and love-filled Creation and even beyond the Absolute Absolutum. I am committed to doing my part and the best I can do, in what ever small value, to make life on Earth an eventual paradise for all, so she and other loved ones can live in a better world than the one we have now. Salome friend. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 918 Registered: 12-2011 |
Eddieamartin Thank you it was a pleasure to read your article. Well written. joe | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1008 Registered: 04-2011 |
I am sad to read about the loss of your young son. Rest assured that every passing is as well a new beginning. And that your love - being a part of the love all Creation - has an eternal value. It has and will assist the evolution of your son and all our universe. Salome, Bill | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1110 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you for the pdf Pat. That is beautifully said indeed. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 501 Registered: 02-2010 |
I do not want to get off topic, but I wanted to share, I logically understand the becoming and the passing from the Spiritual Teaching, however, recently my mom was diagnosed with a life threatening condition, and I notice my emotions/feelings were all over the place. This experience is what I need in order to prepare for my parents or close relatives/friends's demise. Everything is put into prospective. Yet, I'm sure the death of my parents or siblings will stir up some uncomfortable emotions/feelings MsMichelle | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1011 Registered: 08-2010 |
Votan, Thank you and you're welcome. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 989 Registered: 04-2013 |
Patm, Thank you so much for the translated section from Billy’s book, 'Rebirth, Life, Dying, Death and Sorrow; whatever is preserved in Love, does not get lost with the Death. That was wonderful, very much appreciated Salome Kenneth | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 677 Registered: 07-2006 |
@ msmichelle and others interested. Sorrow and mourning are essential not only for the one's ownself but also in the assistance given to others suffering a sadness. Billy has done a wonderful job explaining this in the article 'The human being requires time for the mourning (Der Mensch braucht Zeit zum Trauern)' from pages 190 - 196 of his book 'Rebirth, Life, Dying, Death and Sorrow (Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer)' For my translation of this article (which may contain errors) please see: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=mqdSxyeMKwk%3d&tabid=1235&portalid=0&mid=4428 Hope this helps PatM | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 514 Registered: 10-2016 |
Kenneth and everyone, Thanks for sharing about your son. If he has been reborn with a new personality already, or will be in that specific year, I wish he finds another good family and safety from natural discourses which could run haywire as he ages again. Best you try and change the future all you can for the positive, for his new personality's sake. Good luck to you and the rest of the Apophis Team. If he wasn't cremated, he will be able to access his bones (from your son's lifetime) Fluidal Forces via his future personality's subconsciousness to assist him overcome difficulties, etc. Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 991 Registered: 04-2013 |
Cory, Thanks for your kind thoughts and information regarding Fluidalenergies, it's very much appreciated... On another note; the Apophis Team is doing everything we possibly can according to the Plejaren's recommendations. The year 2029 will be very interesting to say the least. Kenneth | ||
Phi_spiral New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2020 |
“This is the result because no recovery occurs, rather because only the appearance of a recover occurs, and at the same time, the rampantly spreading disease only continues to exist as impulse, without direct pathogens.” The excerpt above taken from the recent Contact 731, sounds remarkably like what Meir refers to as fluidal energy. Fluidal energy is distinctive in that they are vibrations or swinging waves that are nested as opposed to vibration that ventures out and dissipates its' energy; such as sound waves. And it is distinctive from thought forms that travel out to the universe and return like a boomerang. Fluidal energies can have a bite to them. Billy Meier spoke of getting physically ill one time from being inside a church as a result of the fluidal energies that had built up there over time. In his book, Rund um die Fluidalenergie resp. Fluidalkrafte und andere Dinge, Billy explains we are constantly storing fluidal energy in the physical things that we touch and come in close contact to over long periods of time. And we store strong fluidal energy into our own physical bones throughout our life; such that after our death, they assist us with impulses into our next incarnation. And so it would seem the Covid 19 pathogen builds up a residue that is akin to fluidal energy in the various cells of the human body while it is active. Or more accurately, I should say something that behaves consistent with fluidal energy since I don’t know it as a fact. Regards Bob | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1188 Registered: 08-2010 |
Phi_spiral Excellent post Bob, thanks for sharing those thoughts. Everyone that becomes familiar with the Meier material will eventually understand what the rest of the world will struggle with and not understand. It all serves as evidence for some future time. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2315 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi bob your post reminded me about Billy and Semjase talking about smoking if my memory serves me correct. In that conversation they dealt with the topic on fine matter. Now I really don't know what this fine matter or spiritual matter is as I have obviously never seen it before to get an approximate idea about what it could possible be or what this stuff is made of other than a sizeable idea (what the heck is a sizeable idea or thought!?) but seeing as they talk about 7 building blocks of matter for which we are only at stage 5 with 4 other remaining stages or gradations yet to be deciphered and discovered maybe every time a virus enters another organism and affects it, it would definitely have an impulse like effect on all 7 stages of effect on the organism being effected by the pathogen. So I am thinking that since fine matter effect or causation is something that even our scientists won't be able to understand for a very long time, this explanation by the plejaren may just be a clue they have seeded on a silver platter in this era to help our progeny to achieve a solution in the future in creating the technology necessary to detect the virus or viral residue inside an infected human being at the fine matter level. So I am conjecturing that in order to kill a virus completely inside an infected person you must do it for all 7 levels of causation and not just at the atomic or quark, gluon, muon, up quark and down quark 5th level. If I can use an analogy from the nuclear industry it'll be a bit like the effect of radiation in that ionizing radiation has the characteristics of a wave, vibration, oscillation and rapid movement of particles that keeps on radiating at high speeds. It'll be like shooting fine needles constantly 24/7 which inevitably results in the death of organism or at least the breakdown of the DNA structure which then mutates and turns healthy cells into malignant tumour or useless cells that unstoppably just keeps on reproducing. Maybe viruses also emits its own signature impulse and vibrations that requires its equivalent opposite vibrations and impulses to neutralise it. So our scientist may have to go beyond the electromagnetic spectrum and delve into the fine matter spectrum. Its no laughing matter since its a serious matter but maybe even sound waves might work as in shouting from the top of your lungs at the COVID-19 inside an infected body to such an extent that it might just leave the body on its own accord from being so annoyed from all that sound of shouting. Its a fine matter. Matt lee | ||
Phi_spiral New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2020 |
“Maybe viruses also emits its own signature impulse and vibrations that requires its equivalent opposite vibrations and impulses to neutralise it.” Hi Matt, Yes, these are interesting planetary dynamics unfolding before us. Can I assume you are referring to the research work of Royal Rife in your post? Unfortunately, the P’s have informed that it will be a long time before we (Earth humans) develop the necessary instruments to detect such minute frequencies. They have stated that in regard to both fluidal energy in general and Covid 19 in particular. So not only can we not measure them; but, we cannot replicate them and re-introduce them out of phase with neutralizing intent in the manner that Rife found success. Likewise, other frequencies such as sound would be ineffective. The difference in wavelengths is too vastly different. It would be like trying to perform laser surgery with a flashlight. But, your basic premise, I believe is correct, Matt, that if everything deconstructs to vibrational waves of an electromagnetic nature at different levels, then it follows, that whatever level Covid assumes in its’ perceived dormant state, be it fluidal energy or an ever-so-fine impulse, it would need to be dealt with (neutralized) at that level also. That is to say, even if an antidote is found that denatures the active pathogen, there still needs to be a resolution on the finer vibrational level for total eradication. Essentially, there will need to be a paradigm shift to deal with Covid 19. This is what the Plejarens have been telling us – with their encouragement to get more active on the internet, detailed explanation of how it is spread and the extreme sacrifice we need to make with our economies. And I don’t think it is coincidental that Ptaah would seek out Billy’s neighbors with the purpose of uncloaking his craft and letting them have a good look. I don’t think he did it out of spite, as he claims – that is not his nature. I think it was calculated and timely. Regards Bob} | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2319 Registered: 07-2005 |
No Bob I've never heard about Royal Rife until you'd mentioned the name. You said.... 'And I don’t think it is coincidental that Ptaah would seek out Billy’s neighbors with the purpose of uncloaking his craft and letting them have a good look. I don’t think he did it out of spite, as he claims – that is not his nature. I think it was calculated and timely'. I agree and there is always a lesson in there somewhere. I understood Ptaah's actions to convey the utter stupidity, irresponsibility, know-it-allism, nastiness, too quick to judge others and to jump to false conclusions and the wicked human tendencies to sneer, snicker and to put people down who don't conform with their own beliefs about how they should be. So essentially what its saying is how abjectly oblivious most people are to their own faults and the poverty of consciousness that they suffer from. I mean it took an extraterrestrial human being from 400-500 light years away to teach these morons a lesson on how to be a human being so can you imagine the impossible task ahead for any terrestrial attempting such a monumental feat. Matt lee | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1136 Registered: 04-2013 |
Newinitiation (Mat), Phi_spiral (Bob), Regarding the COVID-19 issue, you two have brought up some pertinent concepts. The Plejaren have provided us with specific information that we may not understand for some time? As an analogy, we have all had these aha-ha moments when studying the Teaching.That aha-ha moment will eventually happen with this disease and others as well. We know from the Plejaren that the Corona Virus is not a living entity, it needs a host to replicate. We also know from the P’s that this virus was manufactured in a secret lab in Wuhan China, from various other viruses. Germs are tiny organisms, or living things, that can cause disease. Earth scientists today are saying that viruses are thought of as being in a gray area between living and nonliving, they do not know for sure? A virus may be not alive, but it exists in the physical plane, which means that it must have a specific vibratory rate. Today there are a few that are using frequency or bioresonance therapy, Royal Rifle may have been one of the first back in the 1930’s? In the 1970’s Dr. Fulford a practitioner of osteopathy and Homeopathy used a bioresonance (variable-frequency) probe on me for a specific ailment as he worked with the healing power of the natural life force. In my case, he adjusted the frequency to the level needed to solve the concern, which was resolved quickly and efficiently. He was way ahead of his time. The Plejaren said that they use frequency to clean their teeth. Dentist now uses ultrasonic frequency cleaning for patients’ called sonic scalers or ultrasonic scalers, high-frequency sound waves create rapid vibrations that when applied to plaque and tartar build-up, the ultrasonic sound waves gently break away the plaque and tartar to leave the teeth clean and smooth. According to ancient history accounts, the Wall of Jericho were brought down with sound? The point is, in my opinion you are onto something. Nonetheless, it appears for the time being, we Earthlings have been given information to paralyze the COVID-19 virus, if I understand correctly. This may not have anything to do with frequencies though. We have been given some of the tools, we just need to lean how to properly and safely use them. Kenneth | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Kenneth The three aspects of COVID-19 pertinent to this discussion as I see it are: 1)The original, physical, made-in-a-lab pathogen which we call COVID-19; which is constantly mutating and causing gene alterations 2)The underlying vibrational essence of COVID-19 which is also constantly changing in frequency as it mutates and gene changes occur 3)The vibrational impulse that Ptaah speaks of that remains in the body causing additional health problems after the active form of the pathogen has been de-activated. If I understand correctly, you are focusing on #2 and speculating on ways to de-activate the pathogen at a vibrational level. I don't know much about bioresonance or the range of the frequencies that the probe is capable of measuring, or even its' efficacy against viruses since it is used for diseases; but, regardless it seems the challenge with any sort of vibrational therapy in general is keeping pace with its' constant changes. What we need is something that fights encapsulated viruses, that are evolving & mutating, quickly changing its' surface structure. According to Ptaah, we already have just such a thing in place - our secondary immune system. " a second immune system – that is acquired in the course of time and in each case wages a specific fight against quite particular pathogens. With the help of this specific immune system, the body is able to fight encapsulated bacteria and viruses, which bring forth evolutive or mutating, quickly changeable surface structures." Ptaah continues to discuss the specific nutrition our body needs to strengthen this immune system for the task. If this immune system is healthy then you should have only mild to no discernible symptoms at all. As their own tests bore out: "Tests and investigations with organic-pharmaceutical apparatuses that simulate human beings had the result that the simulated human bodies which were equipped with all vital organs and were infected by the coronavirus, did not produce any kind of provable symptoms of illness, however nonetheless produced antibodies which clearly recognisably showed that an infection had occurred and was present although it was not verifiable." The bigger concern as I see it is actually #3, that pesky energetic impulse that stays behind and poses additional health risks. That is why I started this thread in the fluidal energies section. If it is fluidal energy then we have the information in hand already how to manage it. It can be found in Billy's book and elsewhere, so it would be helpful to get confirmation of some sort from FIGU if this is the right track or if it is something else still. I will write more about that in my next post. Regards Bob | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3102 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Could we limit this discussion to the topic of Fluidal energies, I don't want to devote another topic area to the discussion of the Corona Virus when this is ongoing in the Environment Topic area. Thanks very much | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1387 Registered: 04-2011 |
Having empathy with and teaching "others" ... Some days back we talked about Billy’s “empathy” that made him return to the material world to “teach” his people http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/17931.html#POST89811 http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/26.html#POST89828 It seems there is a universal dimension to it. Because the same modus vivendi (to adapt with a lower energy form and teach it) is not only a characteristic of prophets. Acc. to CR 576 it is even a characteristic of the fine-fluidal energy that emanates from our Gemüt: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_576 *) CR576:28 Die feinstoffliche Energie, die aus dem höchsten Bereich fliesst, ist also die, die aus dem geistigen Gemütsbereich über das geistige in das materielle Unterbewusstsein und dann letztendlich ins materielle Bewusstsein gelangt The fine-fluidal energy flowing from the highest realm is the energy that passes from the spiritual realm of the Gemüt through the spiritual [subconscious] to the material subconscious and then finally to the material consciousness. CR 576:31 Wenn dann die feinstoffliche Energie in die nächste Ebene eintritt, dann gleicht sie sich dieser an, informiert und lehrt sie auch. When the fine-fluidal energy then enters the next level, it adapts to it, informs [it] and teaches it as well. *) Note re. CR 576:31: The present translation of “informs itself” and “learn” is wrong – it should be “informs it” [it=the lower level energy] and “teaches it” Now – if I understand it correctly - this would mean that the fine-fluidal energy of the human Gemüt, is able to inform and teach all the levels of energy down to the material sphere… It may explain how the Plejaren can "personalize" = align their space ship to their Gemüt and perhaps control its movements it via their thoughts / Gemüt. Hm. It may sound a bit far-fetched but - Could it as well explain how the Gemüt of ... (e.g. the universal consciousness or a group of 7 we personalities) is able to create a new universe? I mean – it may explain the passing down of the creational idea – that, in the case of our universe, manifested in the flea-sized, egg-shaped creational "something" which preceded the big bang and contained not only all the 280 elements but as well the whole concept and the overall objective/aim of the universe? Some CR info that relate to Creation (but do not specifically tell who or what created the idea of it) CR 228:86 (Quetzal) Every universe consists not only of coarse matter material but as well pure energies... http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_228 In Genesis (123-131) it says: The "idea of creation" was in the becoming ... and later: "Having recognized itself in its consciousness the creation grasped the value of its coming forth idea... Through the power of its thoughts it created further..." So the becoming universe - was - thinking! See after CR 224:07: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_224 | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 04-2020 |
Norms: "How would you explain being in the presence of several (about 20) instances of oneself each at a different age (3 years-old, 7 years-old, 15 years-old, ... 90 years-old) during one contiguous segment of time where you can also sense their frame of mind and varying stress as their age increases without any need to communicate? Each instance has an fine-matter form in place of their physical form at their presenting age." Billy describes similar phenomenon in his book about fluidal energies, Rund um die fluidalenergie. It’s possible that the subconscious mind activated the stored fluidal energies as these excerpts from that book can attest: The mental fluidal power, which is basically what it is about, is the personal mental radiation or the vibration and energy as well as the forces of the mental block of the human being with regard to his thoughts, feelings, psyche and consciousness, i.e. what is emitted by the human being in terms of mental vibrations and is fixed in objects as well as in places and in the skeleton etc. "Die mentale Fluidalkraft, um diese geht es grundsätzlich, sind die persönliche mentale Ausstrahlung resp. die Schwingung und Energie sowie die Kräfte des Mentalblocks des Menschen hinsichtlich seiner Gedanken, Gefühle, der Psyche und des Bewusstseins, also das, was mental-schwingungsmässig vom Menschen ausgestrahlt wird und sich in Gegenständen sowie an Orten und im Skelett usw. festsetzt. Furthermore, the subconscious is that factor through which old, stored mental vibrations, energies and their forces can be used for mental evolution or brought to manifestation, as well as acute-current mental block vibrations and their energies and forces are used, e.g. B. in relation to psychokinetics, etc. "Weiter ist das Unterbewusstsein jener Faktor, durch den altabgelagerte mentale Schwingungen, Energien und deren Kräfte zur Mental¬evolution genutzt oder zur Manifestation gebracht werden können, wie auch akut-aktuelle Mentalblock-Schwingungen sowie deren Energien und Kräfte genutzt werden, wie z. B. in bezug auf die Psychokinetik usw." page 27 The fact that old, stored mental fluidic forces become active can actually also occur in the waking state while pondering and daydreaming. If a person thinks about his consciousness and therefore also works with his personality, taking up some things and facts, then the subconscious also works, which unconsciously triggers memories. The subconscious is - like the conscious and unconscious thoughts and feelings - a tremendous force. It can influence mental fluidic forces, which then appear in the form of manifestations, but no mental fluidal forces can be brought to manifestation via the storage-bank and the overall consciousness-block content, but only always through the forces of the mental block and through the subconscious of the currently living person. A sensitive person can, through his or her sensitivity, cause such things, trigger them, make them visible and audible. "Dass altabgelagerte mentale Fluidalkräfte aktiv werden, kann tatsächlich auch in Wachzustand beim Sinnieren und Tagträumen auftreten. Wenn der Mensch seinem Bewusstsein denkt und also auch mit seiner Persönlichkeit arbeitet, dabei irgendwelche Dinge und Fakten aufgreift, dann arbeitet auch das Unterbewusstsein, das unbewusst Erinnerungen auslöst. Das Unterbewusstsein ist — wie auch die bewussten und unbewussten Gedanken und Gefühle — eine ungeheure Kraft. Es kann mentale Fluidalkräfte beeinflussen, die dann in Form von Manifestationen auftreten, es können aber keine mentalen Fluidalkräfte via die Speicherbanke und den Gesamtbewusstseinblockinhalt zur Manifestation gebracht, sondern nur immer durch die Kräfte des Mentalblocks und durch das Unterbewusstsein des aktuell lebenden Menschen manifestiert werden. Ein sensitiv veranlagter Mensch kann durch seine Sensitivität solche Dinge hervorrufen, sie auslösen, sichtbar und hörbar machen. The spacing of the years, (3 years-old, 7 years-old, 15 years-old, ... ), is probably not happenstance. Every seven years there is a certain quality or expansion of consciousness; respectively, a consciousness evolutionary boost, quite automatically. It doesn't matter whether a person evolves strongly or only in droplets - it happens to everyone. There is also a similar rule that applies to a period of every three and every four years. The three, four and seven year changes in the physical body, as well as events that arise otherwise, such as the so-called <darn> in a marriage covenant, etc. (source: Rund um die fluidalenergie , page 175) There are various reasons given in the book why this may occur but it mostly comes down to the need to resolve issues so that a consciousness evolution continues. Translation is mine and may contain errors. Regards Bob |
