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    Cpl Member Post Number: 1316 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you for the storage bank clarification PatM. That is what I thought. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2383 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Bob you said. Keep in mind, Matt, that the “preciseness” of accuracy that you seemed impressed about has more to do with the Plejaren update of the Henoch prophesies. I am well aware of Billy's request but Bob does the update by the plejaren into modern day understandable language without all the cryptic nonsense detract and diminish the accuracy of the prophecies and if for the sake of the argument it it did then what the heck are we doing having taken this prophecies so seriously for all these years when we should've thrown it in the rubbish can as it basically undermined Billy's contact case and given the skeptic more ammunition for their 'fraud' narrative. Matt lee | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 01-2011 |
Few thoughts about 'fixed' future. It is true that Plejaren were able to tell Billy years before about his loss of a hand in the accident and that his future marriage was going to be problematic. But all this had to help to develop his character to be able to complete his mission successfully. So some things may seem to be destined for us, but how all this is planned out I can only guess. Maybe some creational powers influence events or maybe on a collective level our choices create causes where all pieces fall together in a way that we get our 'share' through evolutive processes. There might be a limit how far you can see things in your personal future. Regarding Enoch there are quite complex things involved to my opinion. Let's take in consideration spirit levels who oversee the times, past and future. These are highly evolved levels with knowledge to understand patterns of events in material life. Enoch was and is able to cooperate with such levels. Take a simple man who can undersrand cause and effect relatively well. He/She can tell an outcome of things that will happen if continued in certain way. Now consider these highly evolved spirit forms and 10000 years is just a drop in a bucket for them. There are many variables that go into calculation like the speed of collective human learning, impulses from storage banks and so on. Many world's go through similar experiences also and having these type of knowledge there is a possibility to make quite accurate prophecies/predictions. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2384 Registered: 07-2005 |
Obviously we may never know just yet where the future could be or where it resides in for the highly developed ETs to extract it from. Elia and Jeremia's prophecies have come true too and they precede Jmmanuel and Mohammad's time yet they too prophecised with unbelievable accuracy that long ago about the future and of these times especially about Billy yet how could they have seen the future that has never ever happened yet from their vantage point unless it came to pass already. If the future is not contained in the storage banks as per Christian's answer to Pat then obviously it must reside somewhere else for it to be made possible to be extracted or tapped into via the time travelling machine. I am sure that our progeny will solve this riddle but they'll also be asking the same set of questions as we have replete throughout this thread. Its all speculation at best with my very limited understanding of time but in order to understand exactly what the nature of the future really is, I gather that you also need to understand exactly what reality is with all 7 natural forces and all 7 levels of the development of matter right down to the minute, super fine, fluffy spiritual level then we may be able to discover the strange characteristics of chronons at super fine level where we might find that not only does time project backwards but also forwards at the same time based on how everything, every consciousness and every matter that exists interacts with the Chronons leaving an imprint of the past but also the future somewhere where it is then able to be 'jumped' to. As they say 'reality is stranger than fiction' so maybe as we penetrate through the finer levels the mysterious characteristics of the super fine spiritual stuff, maybe this is where the answer lies that will reveal so much of the unknowns about time, time projections, time travel, different time dimensions and time machines. Matt lee | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2020 |
Matt: " <snip> what the heck are we doing having taken this prophecies so seriously for all these years when we should've thrown it in the rubbish can as it basically undermined Billy's contact case and given the skeptic more ammunition for their 'fraud' narrative." No, it does not. In fact, quite the opposite and I will explain why. Sometimes it's good to step back and look at the overarching picture. The purpose of the prophet is to steer mankind toward the Creational laws and recommendations. He does this with the spiritual teachings, part of which is understanding the consequences of not living by them; which is the purpose of prophesies, to show mankind that it will bring sorrow and calamity upon itself by its' own devices, and it does this by use of mental imagery. By wording the prophecy with vagueness and subject to interpretation it allows the human to project just enough into it as their consciousness will allow that they understand the importance of rightful living; and, thus, allows the same prophecy to be effective over multiple generations. And, of course, throughout history, we have seen just that - civilizations rise and fall in predictable cycles. Billy is the last of the prophet lineage so it is his job to tie everything together - the history of all of his incarnations in the Nokodemian lineage, mankind's extraterrestrial connections, and also the end for the need of prophesies to be delivered in a cryptic fashion. Everything has to be disclosed now, "in the open" as Billy says, because Billy is the last one who can do it; to paint the overarching picture - being the last to hold the paint brush. Everything has to be understood in its' totality. Contact 215, which contains the updated Henoch prophecies, occurred on February 28, 1987 and the World Trade Center collapsed on September 11, 2001. A remarkable prediction regardless of where it came from. Billy could have taken full credit for the prediction and brought himself a lot more attention, but by doing it the way that he did; i.e., asking Quetzal to update the Henoch Prophecies in a very public way and recorded in the contact notes for all to see, he simultaneously links himself back to the prophet lineage; connects himself with the Plejaren to the mission and establishes himself as the prophet of our generation. It's genius when you think about it. The fact that these prophesies are so accurate and that they came from a Swiss farmer claiming to have the same reincarnated spirit as multiple other prophets and that he worked in concert with benevolent off-world humans is enough to make any thinking person stand up and take notice. Billy is very good at making connections and more often than not, in very subtle ways we may not notice at first. In that very same contact that Billy and Quetzal present the updated Henoch Prophecies, Contact 215, an interesting context is created. Preceding and leading up to the actual prophecies, they have discussions about the massacre of the Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila, in 1982; the end of the Stone Age people; extinct earth animals, such as the Hyaenodont and the Neureteriuman; the Roswell crash containing bioorganic androids; the destruction of Petra by an earthquake; the destruction of Pompeii and Herculean by the volcano, Vesuvius; the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah; the extinction of the mammoth by both man and climate change; and the suffocating dominance of Third World Countries by industrialized nations. There's an overarching picture of tragedy, fragility and impermanence. Regards Bob | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1234 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt, In the book Arahat Athersata is found an explanation regarding the galactic effects of the Aquarian Age. To me, it appears that the prophets knew quite well the galactic influences leading up to and of course, the actual Aquarian Age. The multi-prong approach to helping the evolution of Earth terrestrials, up to and beyond the Aquarian Age is fascinating. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2385 Registered: 07-2005 |
Great insight Bob. I think the effectiveness of a prophecy is one that actually comes true rather than not otherwise people have the tendency to dismiss it as charlatanry and absolute hogwash. Stupidity has its place and so does donkey stubbornness to not listen as part of the component that comes with prophecies. The efficacy of a prophecy or prior warnings are dependent on its proof of realisation before people heed it otherwise there is no proof of its genuineness absent any tangible evidence of it coming true therefore you cannot expect people to mend their ways and do a course correction by heeding something that is out in open with a big question mark hanging over it. Any cat and dog can give their two cents worth of all the warnings in the world but would they be taken seriously if they get 'some' thing right but also just as much wrong. So harkening back to the topic that we were originally on about, a future that is already preset is the one that you can travel to with your time machine otherwise what is the point of time travel if every time you do it you get different results and when you come back to the present you got nothing to show for but fairytales. The concept of time travel and its existence and the realities of its possibilities in itself is proof that time is a location and not a place and hence 'jump to'. So a future that is in some ways not fixed can never be predicted with accuracy nor could there be accuracies of prediction without a future past to work from otherwise how do you account for the chaotic flux of the confluence of time with so many variables and influences impinging on it from all the lived through 'freewills' constantly changing the dynamics of the so called present conditions that don't follow a uniform guidelines. Hypothetically right as we speak I could throw a bottle of beer at the bus passing by, the driver suddenly breaks but the mercedes benz S500 with the chairman of the Reserve bank of Australia rear ends the bus and gets killed , now as a result I end up in jail and the new chairman after the one that passed away decides to increase the interest rate amidst this coronavirus pandemic and effectively reduces an additional 2 million Australians into welfare recipients. Just from this one bottle thrown I have changed the lives of over 2 million people so with such future subject to so many variables how in the heck could you possibly predict the future with such accuracy when such possible scenarios are all too frequent unless in the future dimension our past is already our future past. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2386 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah Eddie I agree Have you come to some understanding of the exact nature and constitution of the galactic effect and how it might influence people the way it does through radiation and impulse? Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2387 Registered: 07-2005 |
Jakubas I really like to know what they are. Matt lee | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1235 Registered: 08-2010 |
Matt, The one thing that startled me while reading the book Arahat Athersata regarding the incoming forces from the galactic center, via the incoming Aquarian Age, was an explanation regarding the creational law of the equalization. This law deals with degeneracies, irrationalities, vileness, inability to evolve, etc. This law is a form (force) of elimination. The AA spiritform stated it plainly, either these will evolve or die because these forces demand their tribute. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 01-2011 |
I spent some time thinking if future is already determined or we shape it with our free thoughts. So I came up with this theoretical example: if one decides to simply quit doing anything, close yourself in a small room without food and stay there until you sensesly die from famine. So here we have a dilemma. Does this look like some higher creational predetermined plan or simply another crazy idea only a human being could come up with. I would lean to the latter. In addition I have one rethorical question. If future was set in stone then why there was a decision to halt some spirit forms from reincarnating to stop further destruction of life? | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 01-2011 |
Matt, 'Jakubas I really like to know what they are.' If you meant the spirit forms I was referring to AA and above. One of these levels observe past and future times. But unfortunately I cannot tell where exactly I have read it... | ||
Gerald_lry New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2020 |
Hello I would like to know more about the afterlife and have more information about our rest / standby in the afterlife: Are we aware of our condition? are there sounds? fractal light? an exchange with the creation? do we analyze our past life? Is it nothing/standby like a sweet sleep until the next reincarnation? Salome | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3156 Registered: 12-1999 |
Gerald_lry, Here is something which may help you understand a little of the process: Consciousness State at the time while dying | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 820 Registered: 07-2006 |
Gerald_Iry, Please review this drawing depicting the Death-Life process. https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Reincarnation-Incarnation-Process-sec.pdf Hope this helps PatM | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 04-2020 |
Gerald_Iry: "Are we aware of our condition? are there sounds? fractal light? an exchange with the creation? do we analyze our past life?" With the death of the life form, the memory in material form ceases to exist. It is not extinguished altogether but stored as impulsed-based swinging-wave-form to the storage-banks (Akasha-Chronic) through which it is practically re-formed into eternal durability and permanence. The memory of the material consciousness realm forms a material block and factor for itself, which is based on purely material principles and foundations. The spirit-realm has a counterpart in the spiritual form, yet the two memory forms have nothing to do with one another, because they are ordered into their own consciousness forms and have no direct contact with one another, therefore the spiritual memory is solely and exclusively assigned to the spiritual consciousness, whereas material memory belongs to the material consciousness block. This explains why the material consciousness therefore takes no journey to the beyond and would be unable to do so, but that it actually also ceases to exist at the death of the physical body. So without a material consciousness, there is no experiencing of sound, lights, thoughts, etc. The personality is completely dissolved and there is no self-awareness of what is happening nor a mindful mindfulness with which to analyze your past life. There is a natural creational process, however, through which experiences are stored as wisdom. An entirely new personality is created before the spirit-form embodies again in the material realm. FromThe Psyche, by Billy Meier, pages 38-42. Regards Bob | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 639 Registered: 04-2011 |
Coool Thanks Patm Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 918 Registered: 04-2015 |
Patm, Thanks for that chart! I never seen it before. A chart always seems to help me better in placing (spiritual) concepts and understandings in the right place. | ||
Gerald_lry Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2020 |
thx to you all, it's great to have the schema picture !!! we need more of these visuals explanations to very understand in the right way  Saalome G. | ||
Alvarove New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2020 |
Dear friends, please can you share your opinion about 3 persons who claim so interesting things about theirselves, are they true or fake? 1. Edgar Cayce. I studied some of his "readings". (and he is broadly refered at this forum) It seems he had access to storage banks, but there are so many inconsistency regarding Billy/Plejaren's teachings. 2. Anthony William https://www.medicalmedium.com/book He explains he has contact with a spiritual form, which gives him information about human health. I read his book and I tried a natural remedy which was so effective (I take it until now). 3. Matias De Stefano https://www.facebook.com/matiasdestefanooficial He claims to remember his past incarnations, even in other planet before become a earthling. He has a series at Gaia TV. He says interesting things but also some contradiction to Billy/Plejaren's teachings. Thank you Hello Alvarove, At this time FIGU prefers links to FIGU Websites only. Thank you, Scott Moderator (Message edited by scott on November 19, 2020) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 749 Registered: 02-2010 |
I wonder if this "Greta Thunberg" is the reincarnation of Meriam Petra who died in an accident in 1981? See AA page 146. BEAM is really harsh towards her and usually he has logical, rational, reasons for his words. MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3233 Registered: 12-1999 |
According to Wikipedia, she was born on January 3rd, 2003....anyone who understands Cabbalistic Calculations, could possibly understand the significance of her name and birthdate and form an understanding of the nature of who she is and other factors...Just thinking out loud... | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1315 Registered: 08-2010 |
Regarding Greta Thunberg and Meriam Petra. I don't see how this could be the reincarnation of the same spiritform. Just my thoughts. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) |
