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Eddieamartin Member
Post Number: 1219 Registered: 08-2010
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 11:16 am: |
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Pup_stump Would you clarify your statement from your Post#4. (Quote): "The law of contrariness is quite simple, it deals with polarity. The Universe is not negative or positive, it is negative and positive at the same time! And of course Meier teaches neutral-positive, which takes into account the negative pole. That is how you reach for neutrality from a positive." Primarily, please clarify your understanding, perhaps you can explain how you come to this understanding; "The law of contrariness is quite simple, it deals with polarity." It appears, that you have a few different things confused with each other. One is a law, the other is a creational recommendation. The law of the contrarinesses is a law, meaning it is immutable and cannot be circumnavigated. Neutral-positive-equalized is a creational recommendation. Also, as I understand it, the law of polarity is best understood by the swinging waves boomerang analogy. I'm interested in how you came to those conclusions about these laws and recommendations. Clarification would be beneficial to us both and the forum members who come across these types of statements and explanations, especially those who have not yet had the opportunity to study the spiritual teaching books. Thanks. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Pup_stump Member
Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2020
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 11:57 am: |
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Hello Eddie, Now I am getting bored with this here friendly forum. I am better off playing video games. Btw- years ago you promised to make a Billy Meier video game. I even presented ideas. I have been waiting all these years. Sometimes I wonder if you are for real... Okay the law of contrariness. I think I am presenting it clearly, and easy to understand. Perhaps you have things confused. So let's start like a 3rd grader. The definition of the word contrary (google) is "1. opposite in nature, direction, or meaning." So black is contrary to White. Male is contrary to female. Up is contrary to down. Wet is contrary to dry. Smart is contrary to stupid. Are you beginning to see a pattern here? So take for example male. We learn from Meier that this positively charged. We also learn from Meier that female is negative compared to male. So are you with me? What we notice here is that we are dealing with two different poles. So the law of polarity is in play. Any questions? Kind regards, AA |
   
Pup_stump Member
Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2020
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 12:02 pm: |
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Dear Michelle, I have read your post here. I was hoping someday that we could eventually meet. Perhaps we could have dinner sometime? Maybe, go ice skating or something? Anyway, I am not trying to be funny except for my username. For the most part I am being dead serious. However, I do think Mr Lee is a master of sorts. It is just a matter of opinion. I hope you are not chasing me away. I thought we could have some kind of future or something. But you never really can tell... Cheers! Anthony |
   
Bronzedesk Member
Post Number: 249 Registered: 01-2011
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 12:24 pm: |
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Msmichelle; Maybe he's trying to experiment with 3rd person innuendo! We'll need a compass and a map to follow just exactly what he is trying to convey to us. Either way... its a go figure! Sorry, Anthony but I tried to make ends meet with your so-called verbiage and the whys and wherefores that you most certainly tried to set forth for us to understand! Love to all in these times of peril. And when all else fails BEAM's teachings will always prevail! bronzedesk Mat And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot
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Jacob Member
Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2019
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 02:01 pm: |
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Hi Eddy, in regards to your post 1213, I hope it was positive. I have the desire to be back on the FIGU forum more often, writing posts like I did early on, but not nearly so frequent. I hope that others can keep the peace and stay on topic, life is too short to waste on bickering anyway. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates |
   
Msmichelle Member
Post Number: 707 Registered: 02-2010
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 03:42 pm: |
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Anthony, you definitely put a smile on my face!!!! MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Pup_stump New member
Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2020
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 03:52 pm: |
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Bronzedesk, I am so glad you are alive. Yes I like to figure; so you could say I'm a go figure... Please post an exert of any of my postings that seems nonsense to you; then we can discuss it here or another here on this here forum. Cheers! AA |
   
Eddieamartin Member
Post Number: 1220 Registered: 08-2010
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 04:19 pm: |
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Jacob, It will be good to have further discussions and delve deeper into the unfathomable mystery. Good to have you back my friend. Pup_stump It doesn't hurt to fact-check your understanding of these creational laws and recommendations, as per the spiritual teaching material. Just to be on the side of correctness. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Str0323 Member
Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2012
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 06:14 pm: |
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Hello Pup_stump. Everything contrary to each other has two poles within itself. So for instance, if up and down are contrary to each other, "up" would have a negative and positive pole within itself and "down" would also have a positive and negative pole within itself. So in this sense neither one is "charged" as a negative or positive and yet they are contrary to each other. That's my third grade guess. If my understanding is incorrect then I ask for an explanation by someone more knowledgeable than myself. Thanks. Salome Scott Reed. |
   
Eddieamartin Member
Post Number: 1221 Registered: 08-2010
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 07:41 pm: |
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Str0323 and Pup_stump I thought we were going to start a discussion and get to the truth of it. Personally, I have never had a problem with being corrected... actually, that contributes to effective knowledge. The law of the contrarinesses recommends we consider everything in a neutral positive equalized wise... so we should consider what is said in chapter 22 line 13 and 14. Scott Reed, as you explained it, everything is a oneness unto itself. Anthony, perhaps it's an issue of how we articulate ourselves that the Goblet recommends we always ask for clarification. Another recommendation is to treat people with some measure of mutual respect and to not speak to them with condescending or smart-ass language. If we are mistaken, then learn. If we are correct, we can explain it. The wise seek knowledge and clarification. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Str0323 Member
Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2012
| Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 08:38 pm: |
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Hello Eddieamaretin. Thank you for the reply. You explained it better than myself. Salome Scott Reed. |
   
Maler New member
Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2016
| Posted on Monday, August 24, 2020 - 02:01 pm: |
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Forum member Newinitiation mentions in post 625: "Mr Wendelle Stevens had heard from Billy that our universe looks like Swiss cheese with many holes inside." In this analogy, is our solar system inside one of the air bubbles or inside the cheese material? Salome John |
   
Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1502 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 - 09:20 am: |
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Apropos Scientists receiving Plejaren Impulses ... Not quite sure if this befits the much used "Environment" topic but it may move the discussion more into our "Here and Now": A discovery by one of the scientists who was awarded the Physics Nobel Prize 2020 (Sir Roger Penrose): “'The Big Bang was not the beginning. There was something before, and that something is what we will have in our future ...” Hm. The findings *) to form this hypothesis ... - did he receive Plejaren impulses? *) His statement is based on 'possible evidence', based on concentric circles found in Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe data of the cosmic microwave background sky, of an earlier universe existing before the Big Bang of our own present universe.
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Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2516 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2021 - 11:59 am: |
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I gather that its superfluous to ask why because it is what it is as determined by Creation but I cannot help but wonder briefly at times on whether the exact numbers of Creation created out of the sizeable idea is the exact number that a Creation creates evolutive spirit forms that eventually merges with Creation which then becomes a Creation in its own right. Essentially its possible that our spirit form through eons of development through various stages becomes the Creation like the one that created our spirit form and the process goes on endlessly. For surely our individual spirit form must've been created for a reason and purpose beyond merging with the creator to help it evolve and develop further. Like a single gamete it is endowed with every potential to become a human being so why not our individual spirit form. Matt lee |
   
Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1628 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2021 - 06:11 am: |
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"Is there a reason and purpose beyond merging with the creative forces to help them evolve and develop further?" Interesting thoughts, Matt. My sentiments: With our “I” (rather than “We”) thinking we may be limited, may not be able to see what this “reason and purpose beyond merging with the creative forces” could be. Indeed, losing us in creation may seem a saddening loss of our individuality (which persists up to the Petale level) And as long as we are material “I think so I am” people our potential is limited to observing what our “I” senses tell us and then to draw conclusions. The Spirit Teaching tells me that all things and beings are the products of intelligent energy, manifestations of the law of Seven-ness which is united into one law, with one creational purpose. We do not know the mystery of this law, “why this continual creation has to happen”. But our observations of nature may make us aware that all things universal are of the same structure, follow the same modus operandi (operational purpose - way of accomplishing), fulfill one creational purpose. We may realize that like a *) human cell which stores its “creative (development, functioning growth, reproduction) instructions” (DNA) in its nucleus, so is the human being, guided – ultimately - by his/her spirit to its final merger with the universal life force. And we may infer that the same that happens to us humans, i.e., fulfilling an overall purpose, so does the whole universe which in itself is only a little DNA like structure within its 7 belts and a cell like structure within the 10^49 universes around it. **) Billy said that we should see us as law-fulfilling people (OMEDAM) As said, I interpret this as "all sentient and non-sentient beings are a manifestation of this Seven-ness law." Which either live with (plants, animals) or have to find the awareness of being “one” with this Seven-ness law (Plejaren – (People of) the Law of Seven-ness) ***) But as all lower creations on our planet are there to support the (higher creation =) human life, and by doing so, help humans develop their consciousness towards a growing unity with the universal swinging wave, so may we, and our universe, live to gain wisdom, and by doing so, support the evolution of the higher-up structure of (level 2to 7) universes. But as I initially said, it may be hard to tell – our egocentric minds are not used to think “we all”, they may not grasp what is “beyond the material existence”. So - sorry I cannot answer your question in the affirmative. But good to have you back. Salome, Bill *) There are a few cells which originally have but later, after they are constructed, destroy their DNA (e.g., red blood cells which during maturation destroy their nucleus cum DNA so as to carry as much oxygen as possible) **) As everything universal has its foundation and its superstructure one may wonder whether the many material universes are interconnected, are building blocks that combine into a huge living material organism (like the cells of living beings). ***) In his readings Edgar Cayce called (the virtuous) people of Atlantis the followers of the “Law of One”. |
   
Msmichelle Member
Post Number: 802 Registered: 02-2010
| Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2021 - 08:52 am: |
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Bill, I like the start to your sentiments in post 1628 MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2518 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2021 - 01:28 pm: |
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Its good to be here once again sharing ideas with likeminded people and thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter Bill. Its the mystery of all mysteries with answers beyond our reach until we evolve into the Absolute Absolutum I guess as to the hows and the whys of it all. The WE forms are a collective yet it is also individual hence the different stages and various names given to it not to mention Billy' spiritform being able to come back from the spiritual plane into the course matter world as an individual spiritform to go through the reincarnation cycle once again. Then what if this individuality is also maintained throughout the evolutive cycle even when it merges with creation as a packet of sorts to then evolve further becoming exactly like Creation that created it before to then become a distinct and separate Creation in its own right. I mean just as the male gender creates sperm because it is endowed with this ability since birth it'll be ridiculous to ask the male 'how did you create these sperms and how is this little thing able to become a full fledged human being once it enters a women's egg', 'who started this process and who designed the human reproductive system to enable it to create a human being'? Just as in the same vein it'll be ridiculous to ask why is it so, why does it have to be the way it is and how is it that things are the way they are with Creation and everything about it that we are being taught by Billy and not any different. It'll be more prudent to ask since everything, the grand design, the ultimate purpose, the way things are, the final destination, the path, the journey, the process, things within the process and every idea conceivable and imaginable within is already a given and its there, how do you best learn, become aware of, know, have insights into, recognise, have cognition about, pay attention to and to strive for the thoughts, ideas and knowledge to best evolve, develop, transform into, obtain, grasp, understand and to adapt to the already laid out Creational energetic path/plan/design/purpose/aim/goal. I gather that you need to learn learn learn the right information (which is the truth from Billy) and to repeat repeat repeat. Matt lee |
   
Rob_stewart Member
Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2021
| Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2021 - 04:21 pm: |
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Hi Matt, I was attacked by a local gang when I was younger. They kicked my skull till I stopped moving. I made the mistake of trying to avoid and frustrate them while on the ground. The fear of me getting up drove them to new heights. So I stopped moving and retreated within myself waiting for them to stop. As each layer of consciousness dropped away I came to a point I can only describe as primal. I felt like a little lizard hiding under a rock. At that point I couldn't feel the kicks and was no longer aware of a body or anything just light and dark. I was aware my attackers were continuing and I felt helpless. Now it may have been a hallucination as I lost consciousness but there was an all consuming light. It was more than that, it was everything it retreated to a point impossibly far away. Although it didn't I was part of it now. Theres a moment here with no body although words are not explaining this. Being part of it, it was not bright but an enveloping love. There were other points of light and colours but these things were losing meaning it was all thoughts. One of the lights joined with my thoughts, I guess and explained there was no fear. This happened quicker than I could comprehend she had a female nature and a name i cant recall and explained instantly everything. I was connected to all the lights (not lights but no right word) and all that was known was shared joyfully. Every question I could imagine and everything I might wish to explore. That connected feeling and this is where language falls down. These were not feelings it was all thoughts with no emotion. Except the connectedness the security/love and the inquisitive waterfall of concepts and ideas, still no emotion but not sterile. I could ask anything and in this connected form if it was known - I knew as fast as you can think. I hit in that moment the concept of love between a man and woman and knew these feelings were of the other world my life. I also knew that my female contact explained everything to me instantly. Images of all the girls I had experienced feelings for and then more women I hadn't met. This was my life if I lived it. I cant even begin to describe the speed all this occurred at. It was instant. I felt (again not the right word) sadness or regret and the lights lingered but became less. The connection stopped my ignorance, fear and lack of companions hit my self (again words just are not right) it was crushing but I held that picture in my mind of a woman I hadn't met. The next moment I was my lizard self and I could move from the rock. The first breath was so unimaginably hard the ease of thought in my connected state was now bound to a lump of a body. However slowly my awareness returned and remarkably my body was not damaged, my head was in bad shape. So I rose and ran. For me this was something that can be explained by Billy's writings. I have tried to use my original words to describe what happened as I honestly don't know enough yet. My wife i knew before I met her is as much evidence as I need of the experience although it is hazy.. Not relevant is a better description the experience is clear I don't recall details as I know I don't need them yet and that they will be there. The reason I have tried to explain it, is I hope it explains your question. That connected place of pure thought and energy is very content and inquisitive. However the questions asked can only be those that are known. As my experience is of this world I only had that range of questions. Although I could share and time was not as binding. Its really hard to describe as these words are in the physical and thats not where you are. So thats the reason you return you have answers but they are no longer in relevant terms unless you know the question at least as it relates to the material universe. To be clear as well this area of thought and light has questions and answers to, there was enthusiasm on this although thats the wrong word. The impression I received in that instant of knowing was that these higher questions require a sufficient base of questions and answers in the material to build a sufficient question and receive the answer. They all wanted to help. It is so hard to describe the instant nature of it and the instant change of all frames of reference. I would imagine you reach a stage where effectively the questions and answers you have match the other connected energy at which point there is no need to be less connected. Again words are rubbish it is a feeling that is complete and just pure love. It is also nothing like having eyes or senses so every word I have used is just not right. I hope this is at least interesting although I have not done it justice. It may help explain the requirement to return although I am not sure I am describing well enough the bliss and majestic feeling of oneness that pulses through the shared energy. It is so complete. Salome |
   
Rob_stewart Member
Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2021
| Posted on Monday, April 26, 2021 - 12:51 am: |
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Reading this back there are a few things I want to be clear on. I am not looking for belief. The first item to draw out is the experience is explained in part by Billy_Meiers teaching better than any other information. I should also be clear the female voice was not an angel or spirit guide or any such nonsense. She was like me and wanted me to not be afraid. The second item that is quite logical. Without a body much of understanding as we accept it becomes less relevant. What exists is the nature of things - creational truth - is a tremendous way to describe this. The third item is the connectedness. I have not described this very well. In the first moments the vastness of what was known is almost paralysing. It wouldn't fit in my head fortunately such concerns are irrelevant where you do not have a mind. Essentially knowledge is contained in all things. As discussed the knowledge is in an essence form so colour texture and all material descriptions are now something purer. It should also be stated knowledge is not understanding. I didn't want to appear too flakey and happy for people to call bs on this. For me everything fits quite well and our personal mission to expand our creational understanding makes a great deal of sense. Salome |
   
Phi_spiral Member
Post Number: 126 Registered: 04-2020
| Posted on Monday, April 26, 2021 - 09:30 am: |
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Rob_stewart: "I was attacked by a local gang when I was younger. <snip> For me this was something that can be explained by Billy's writings.<snip> The first item to draw out is the experience is explained in part by Billy_Meiers teaching better than any other information." Hello Rob. That is a very poignant story of your experience. Thanks for sharing it with the forum. I read that Billy was taught a technique by Sfaath when he was young; whereby, if something became too painful, even unbearable, he could disassociate himself. But your experience is different and appeared to be triggered by you unconsciously. In the contact notes chronicling Billy's great trip in space with the Plejaren, Billy describes a moment when right before a hyperspace jump he feels an indescribable connectedness to the universe that is at once euphoric, joyful and loving. If you can, I wonder if you could touch a bit more on what you found personally in the Meier material that explains your experience? Regards Bob |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2527 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 - 03:24 am: |
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Hi Rob I apologise in advance that I don't have the mental capacity these days to really empathise and think indepth about what people have wrote yours included. All I can say is that the more we age the less things really matter and the irrelevance of it all creeps in Our dominant materialistic thinking imprisons us firmly to our egocentric and egoistic viewpoints so much so that everything is judged in the narrowest prisms of this thing called ego. So pain is painful and the one out of the me, myself or I obsesses about it and the other two joins in. If you manage to transcend the me, myself and I's reaction I think you can begin to see things as they purely are and the Creative/creational energy consciousness state kicks in or rather kicks out the egoistic viewpoint and limited perceptual range and you can then achieve oneness with all things in free consciousness state without restriction. Matt lee |
   
Rob_stewart Member
Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2021
| Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 - 12:22 pm: |
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Hi Bob/Matt, Thanks for the comments. I wanted to share it, it was offensive to many people 20 years ago. Funnily enough I wept when I read Billy's description on the great journey. I have read quite a bit on near death etc. trying to make sense of what I recall - there is no way Billy could have made that up. What I experienced was a glimpse or a window rather than Billy's more direct experience. Most of the interaction was in a shared consciousness space very close to our material world but that initial moment was incredible. I find all the teaching very congruent with this experience and other items I researched when younger, so let me explain the pain control. The assault happened when I was almost 17, it took a very long time to recover probably more than 10 years. However from the age of about 9 to before this I was very obsessed with mind powers. I am also fortunate that my mother a teacher who is quite political always asked me to critically analyse and cross reference information. Identify true statements and see how they are used. There tends to be some truth in everything - used in politics a great deal to mask dreadful lies. Needless to say much of what I read on religion and spirit was light on truth, but I generally recognised this. However it did not stop some things developing, mostly along body mastery. Tied into sport as a practice. So turning off the pain was conscious, I don't think you could do it sub-consciously. I am not special for being able to do this. If you have ever hurt yourself and not noticed it at the time you can no doubt do it. As the pain starts ask yourself to not notice - there is a moment where the pain asserts itself - acknowledge this and what the pain is telling you then stop noticing. It is a sort of hypnotic script. It is also body awareness, the acknowledgement is the fundamental nature of the injury. I played a contact sport so practiced it, silly looking back. I expect I could still do it probably not as well as I used to. After the assault I have never managed to reach the levels I once did in meditative thought. I know how you feel Matt. However I still understand my hard won knowledge and Billy describes it. So yes even the pain management Billy describes - and if you spoke to my team mates they will tell you I didn't notice pain. They always looked alarmed but after establishing the nature of the injury I saw no need to dwell on it. With regards the written material other than the two you mentioned. I can honestly say it all resonates. Today I read through CR 768 when Billy is describing the interaction with the conscious block: Another factor is that I have to formulate every sentence of every matter addressed in such a way that it describes in detail and in such a way what is said, elaborated and explained in Swiss German and also explicitly reflects the meaning of the whole. And that is precisely one of the crucial points of the whole thing, which means that not everyone can do all this work, because in this respect too everything must first be learned, as every sensible and understanding human being knows. Therefore, also all well-intentioned advice cannot be put into practice, such as that I should prescribe or dictate everything and then have it copied by other persons, and so on. It appears exactly in line with my recollection. The knowledge is there but if it has not been learned it cannot be interpreted correctly. I don't know why I am always so pleasantly surprised that Billy hits these points effortlessly. To bring it back to the original creational journey. Knowledge and importantly the truth behind it is eternal as part of creation. The truth is realised in the act of thinking and learning. However there must also be an amount of doing which happens in the material world around us. If we conduct this activity in line with nature we add to the sum of our knowledge. So each individual must be responsible for learning themselves but there is a collective aggregate. We can and should help each other. My recalled experience was very close to the material but with no physical body you are so much more clearly part of creation as energy/spirit, that initial moment. The knowledge that was available and openly shared was much closer to that of this world - however it was in its fundamental truth form. So not immediately recognisable to me. That was the point of past/future lives going back to establish the learning of the truth of things. I also expect past experiences could only be recognised through understanding the fundamental truth of these lives. Finally I can accept English is impossible to use in rerecording this as it has so many interpretations. It is also logical that there would be a point where the collected material of a spirit form and the collective aggregate are almost inseparable. The pure energy form of things (no bodies) would make the next stage a "We" rather than an individual journey naturally. I also expect these wiser forms realise it is easier if "We" work together and help each other. Anyway thanks for allowing me to share, you would not believe how difficult my recollection was for many people. It appeared to them as fantasy or they interpreted it through their lens. It was genuinely a revelation when I started to go beyond the UFO photos and found so much that was true. But more and this is the delight - things I was not sure on then researched and found to be true. Salome |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2641 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 - 06:45 am: |
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A sudden thought came to me out of the blue. When grappling with the inevitable question about the riddles of how everything all began the greatest ultra secret mystery was in the fact that there is no such thing as a beginning or an end to everything. Everything is just a process even the concept of the beginning and the end because in order to have a beginning you needed to have something to begin that process of the beginning just as you needed to have something in order to have an end which is not an end in itself but a new beginning in a perpetual simulating wings of constantly transitioning perpetuity. So the question as to how everything all began becomes absurd and paradoxical because everything had always existed and everything will continue to exist in perpetual infinity. Sure Creation has had a beginning but it began from something which pre-existed like a foetus in a womb just as AA is not the end of a Creation's journey but a process of becoming something else called absolute nothing. Its logical and right to say that there was no beginning or an end but a mere perpetual transitioning and transforming process from one state to the next. Matt lee |
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