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    Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1547 Registered: 07-2009 |
Eddie, I think the reason people cover their head is because it's instinctive to protect the brain and eyes and the sense of one's existence is "computed" through the brain, the command center for the body. In the presence of danger, we also know that, for sighted persons, the eyes are critical to navigating our way to safety. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1388 Registered: 08-2010 |
Michael, Yes, that much I know. I am referring more to the "big screen" inside the brain where everything we "see" with the eyes is portrayed so we can see what we're looking at. I used the covering of the head as one example, similar to why we reach upwards in excitement... something even blind children do. But back to my point, as my inquiry pertains to the consciousness block and the "big screen" in our minds. We know where the CE-form resides in the brain, but what about the consciousness block? Incarnated into the human body, where does the consciousness block reside? Does this location have anything to do with the "big screen" where we "see" what we're looking at? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Eddie I hope to find the time this weekend or early next week at the latest to properly respond to your questions. Regards Bob | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1389 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thanks Bob, really appreciate this. Thank you! Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 04-2020 |
Eddieamartin: "Incarnated into the human body, where does the consciousness block reside? Does this location have anything to do with the "big screen" where we "see" what we're looking at?" The human spirit form does not have a form in the everyday sense, such as a geometric body form, etc. The core piece - the human spirit form - which is located in the brain, is indefinable in its form, but could best be compared with a tiny egg shape, which is probably the closest to reality. Billy stated that the size of the core is roughly comparable to a needle prick. The core of the spirit is located where the human mind settles in the brain, which, despite its invisibility, is nevertheless very precisely located in the roof of the midbrain at the superior colliculus between the cerebrum and the cerebellum. And the consciousness block lies directly underneath it. Source: Diversikum. 1)  2) 1) The diagram above illustrates the location of the human consciousness block in relation to the spirit-form in the brain. Although the lines in the diagram stop at the side of the head, they really are pointing to the very center. The diagram is copied from the book, Diversikum. 2) Drawing depicting relationship of the superior colliculus to the human eye. The superior colliculus receives input from two main areas. The upper layer receives primarily visual information originating from the retina, specifically the output cells called the retinal ganglion cells as a branch of the optic nerve. The lower layers receive inputs from other sense organs, such as the auditory and somatosensory systems. Source of picture: Brain Stuff website You are correct, Eddie, that our interpretation of reality, our 'vision' of the world, etc., occurs in the material consciousness. Even within the subconscious, there is the ability to construct visions or 'realities' in the form of dreams at night-time during sleep, and rapid eye movement, or REM, noticeably occurs. Furthermore, the consciousness can be manipulated to see things that are not there. This has been demonstrated multiple times with hypnosis. And hallucinogenics such as peyote and LSD can affect the consciousness to see visions that are not there. But most dramatic of all, is the technology that the Plejaren call, "Real Vision' that has been successfully used by the Bafaath to manipulate humans to have religious visions and used by other extraterrestrials with certain humans to make them believe they had a contact that did not actually occur in reality. There is a list of these "real vision" contactees in Contact Report 38, along with a list of real contactees and an explanation by Semjase of what 'real vision' is. Here is a partial excerpt: Semjase: 144. A real vision describes a certain form of a guided vision. 145. It is a form of vision that is dominated by many intelligences, including the Giza intelligences. 146. By these arbitrarily provocable and steerable visions, different extraterrestrials – and also we – influence life forms, in order to obtain certain impressions for them in this way, which are instructive to them and which they are to make accessible by spreading also to others, in order to also purposefully affect the surroundings. 147. These steerable visions are so massively realistic that the influenced life form becomes convinced that it has experienced the vision as reality. 148. That's exactly why we call it realvision, because it seems so real. 149. Every experience experienced through this real vision lasts as long as it would take in reality. 150. Such real visions do not only last seconds or minutes, but they last as long, in time, as the real experiences would take. Billy: That's fantastic. This means that a human being can have an experience that is in reality not an experience at all, but arises only from a fictitious vision, but that he/she is not able to distinguish this vision from reality and thus regards the illusory experience as the truth of an experience. Semjase: <snip> their real visions and reality are an interlocking sequence of events that cannot be distinguished from each other, at least not for the Earth-humans. Billy: That's more than fantastic. Man, oh, boy. So I could, for example, get a real vision missed by you and would assume in my consciousness that I had experienced the vision as reality. Source: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_038 Regards Bob | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2021 |
Bob Phi-spiral, Thank you so much for your feedback and diagrams on the chakra issue. It looks to me, and I have been under this impression for some years now, that all the two dimensional images showing chakra regions are only rudimentary and indicative, rather than accurate. For example, the so-called Third Eye chakra always depicted in the forehead between the eyes suggests to me a place indicated some distance inside the head behind the forehead there: Namely the pineal gland, because we know this is the gland which creates the pictures we see in the mind's eye, whether they're dreams or visions. There is absolutely no evidence of any special nerves or anything particularly sensitive exactly at that forehead point of the skull or in the brain matter immediately behind it, although, of course, all brain matter is important. Thank you again. Chris Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 892 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding Chakras see: Questions to Billy Answered - Archive 2002 QUESTION: Regarding the concept of kundalini, can you explain what this actually is, if it indeed actually exists? ANSWER: That's something that does not exist. It's certain people's imagination only, as it is the case with the chakras. ----------------------- Questions to Billy Answered - Archive Nov 29, 2009 QUESTION: i would like to know what chakras are becuase i keep getting this sensation/tingle/pressure on my third eye area, top of the head and the throat. i dont know how to deal with it. ANSWER: Don’t worry, it was just a nervous disturbance and twitch (nervöse Störung/Zuckung). Btw: The chakras don’t exist. ----------- Regarding Sananta (energy channels in the body for acupuncture) See Contact 216: 263-320 (specifically 295) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_216 Hope this helps PatM | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1390 Registered: 08-2010 |
Bob, Thank you, that was well explained and articulated. Again, thank you for taking the time to put this together. This will be helpful to many of us. Especially helpful to me and the thoughts I was pondering and reflecting on. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi, Chris There is a FIGU Special Bulletin Number: 38, written by Billy, that I think brings additional clarity regarding the pineal gland: "The pineal gland is the sense organ pertaining to the perception, respectively, the human's seventh sense which, however, can no longer be used by many because, unconsciously, a barrier is constructed against it whereby the so-called third eye, as the pineal gland is also called, is repressed and choked in its function. For this reason not all humans, rather only a few, can utilize its function and effectiveness. And the human himself is to blame for this blockade because, if he would make the effort, then, in spite of his pineal gland's degeneration, he would be able to bring about this organ's functioning again in certain contexts. For that, naturally, the way is long and laborious because one must learn, through on-going meditative practice, to allow enough energy to flow through the pineal gland's area of the brain and through the pineal gland itself because only thereby is it then possible that the fine-material electromagnetic fields which surround the human will be consciously perceived." German original and English translation found here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_038 Regards Bob | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2664 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Bob for taking the time to compile all the information into a very concise format. I have a lingering question that is unresolved. Technically are we lying when we state that we saw semjase's projected from the elsewhere beamship circle around that projected from elsewhere tree on the hillside and also when she did the pendulum demonstration with her nonexistent at the time beamship above the nonexistent at the time future tree in the corner of the house? Seeing as Billy called everyone liars when they observed real vision who stated that they saw a UFO that really wasn't actually there at that very space at that particular time would we also be technically lying when we speak about similar incidences involving real visions of other UFO cases which we deemed at the time was a genuine UFO observance case? What can we make of Betty and Barney Hill's case? Disturbances of electromagnetic field is an interesting term the Plejaren used. These words suggests 'real vision' or telenotic electromagnetic mind control/mind influence technique? Matt lee | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Matt I hope you and your family are doing well, all things considered. I will post a response to your questions in the section: The Mission » The Pleiadians/Plejarens and the Federation » Plejaren technical advances Regards Bob | ||
Lauste Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2020 |
Hello everyone, I have a question regarding the 7 spirit stages or levels a spirit form has to go through in the 40 to 60 million year reincarnation cycle. Concerning the 6th and 7th stage particularly, when one transitions into a half spirit form of sorts. (I don't know how to find the contact notes specifically on this topic with efficiency.) Within this 40-60 million year period there is a transition period from physical body to pure fine substance-form to pure spirit-form. Does this transition happen in one lifetime within this period or does it take a few more reincarnations and happens gradually? In other words, near the end of our 40-60 million year reincarnation cycle we eventually learn as much as we can in a physical body and no longer require our physical bodies. At what point, and how, do we become pure spirit? Or do we gradually fade into spirit bodies? Do we just have one last life in a physical body and then we are just pure spirit forms in the next "life"? Stage 1-5 is comprehensible, but stage 6-7 is where my questions arise and I seek clarification. Do not go Gentle into that Good Night. Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1410 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Lauste, Great question. As I currently understand it, after 40 to 60 million years of pure human learning (evolution of the consciousness) within a life-time there is a transition that happens where we transform into the half-material / half-spirit body... this then goes on for another 40 to 60 million years before we transition into the spirit plane Arahat Athersata. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3496 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Lauste, If I understand your question, the process of evolving to a pure Spiritual.(Creation Energy) form happens in stages. For instance, you are not the person you were 10 years ago and will not be the same person you are now 10 years into the future. As I understand it the transition is gradual until we are half physical-half spiritual (High Council/Hoher Rat) until eventually we transition to the pure sprit state. Billy once mentioned the Plejaren are a slight bit less dense then we are, which indicates to me their evolution is at a higher level than current earth humans...Of course there is much more to this than I understand, but this is how I understand the information. Here is a link which you might find informative. (Message edited by scott on November 02, 2021) | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 407 Registered: 03-2007 |
Clever pun there Scott, with your Plejaren being less dense than us earthlings analogy. We'll become less dense one day, but the days are countless according to my calculations. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 898 Registered: 07-2006 |
@Lauste, Please see the article 'Critical errors in the book 'Existing Life in the Universe' and in other publications' from FIGU Bulletin #77 (Jun 2012) https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=8CThLqa1ZLc%3d&tabid=938&portalid=0&mid=3051 This should very accurately explain the Creation-energy (spiritual) evolution for you. Hope this helps. PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 899 Registered: 07-2006 |
@Lauste, I think you were actually talking about the Seven Creation-energy- (Spirit-) and Consciousness-Evolution Steps as referenced here: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/The%20Seven%20Spirit-%20and%20Consciousness-Evolution%20Steps-sec.pdf Hope this helps PatM | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2021 |
Hello Lauste, Just a complement to Eddie and Scott's replies according to my recollections. I read in one of the later CRs (sorry I do not recall the number) that the Plejaren are about two to three million years away from the High Council semi-physical semi-spiritual (Creation-energy) level. In the final physical incarnation, the rather high-frequency form, presumably a bit higher than where the Plejaren are now, gradually evolves into the spirit form without experiencing physical death. The seven spirit stages are then all in the pure spirit/Creation-energy realm that begins with the Arahat Athersata level and up through the other six levels, where, from Petale the spirit forms merge with Creation. Here are the seven levels: 7. Petale-level = Blooming level of Creation, Crown of Creation 6. Logon-level = Level of causes (causal-level) 5. Euchare-level = Level of Thankfullness 4. Darman-level = Level of Knowledge and Wisdom (knowledge-wisdom-level) 3. Absaly-level = Level of Peace and Love (peace-love-level) 2. Lantano-level = Level of Freedom and disengagement. (Bridge of Freedom) 1. Arahat Athersata-level = Valuable level, which inspects time. (The valuable, which inspects time.) See: http://wwwDOTfutureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_-_related_terms#Pure_Spiritlevels No further physical incarnations occur as the spirit evolves through these seven spirit levels up to its merging with other spirit forms and Creation. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2021 |
Thank you for your 3 November clarifications, Patm. Very much appreciated. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2008 |
What then happens with the physical body during the transformation into a half-material form? Does it just dissolve into thin hair, or does it involve a bad case of dandruff? Or is the physical body just simply left behind, like an old worn suit? Or can the process be described akin to a phase transition? For example when water in it's coarsest form (ice) starts storing heat, it gradually turns into a high-frequency form (liquid), stores more heat until it starts to boil, changing into even higher form of frequency (gas) and further (plasma). Can the material life be then seen as the block of ice, the half-material as the liquid state, and finally the pure-creation-energy-form as the vapor/plasma state? Salome, Niko | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1411 Registered: 08-2010 |
Niko_sulonen Your analogy appears logical. You also posed some interesting questions regarding the actual transformation itself and what others around will see. From BEAM we learn that they are semi-translucent or transparent... For some reason I think of Casper The Friendly Ghost cartoon. So humanoid but semi-translucent or transparent. I wonder what that society is like, where a person transforms into a half-material. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Lauste Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2020 |
Thanks everyone for the replies. The link from Scott and Patm was useful and clarifying. Here are the specifics/answers relating to my question: 50,000,000 years Evolution as autonomous material life form human being. (50 million from an average of 40-60 million years) 56,000,000 years Evolution in the level 'High Council' as a half -material lifeform. 364,000,000 years (7 x 52 million years) Evolution in each of the seven main-pure-spirit-levels. 'AA to Petale-level' 2,538,200,000 years (= 343 X 7.4 million years) Evolution in the 7 x 49 sub-levels of the main pure spirit levels. 3,008,200,000 (Total years summed up) Eddie and Matcha clarified my question specifically whereby we transition from material to half material during our final physical bodied lifetime without experiencing death. Also Patm yes I was trying to reference the "Seven spirit and consciousness-evolution steps". So does the 6th step take place in the high council stage and does the 7th step take place in the 364 million stage from AA to Petale-level?} Do not go Gentle into that Good Night. Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 07-2019 |
Hello Niko, What happens is that the human body dies, but instead the spirit form goes into the beyond, it basically stays in this realm together with the overall consciousness-blok. A fine-material body remains and becomes finer and finer over the many millennia because of consciousness-related and spiritual evolution before it completely becomes spiritual energy. First its a wobbling human-like blob of energy, which becomes lighter and more translucent until its 'gone'. From that moment on the overall consciousness-block fuses with the spirit-consciousness and creates an conscious spirit-consciousness, the spirit goes then into the pure spiritual level of Arahat Athersata. Remember that the overall-consciousness blok was created millions and millions of years ago by said spiritform (then New spirit/ Neugeist) and now it has become 'obsolete' and merges with the spirit consciousness. The overall consciousness block has a 'positive' function (even when its in fact a hyperunit of positive and negative and absolutely neutral) and the (unconscious) spirit consciousness is in this setting negative (also a hyperunit of positive and negative). “The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates “Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius Salome, Jacob |
