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    Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hello Jacob, Great answer, thank you. If I understood correctly, there is then a distinct recognizable threshold between when the material body dies and the fine-material being then 'steps' out. To compare with the analogy about the ice block melting into a liquid form, there is also a threshold between the solid and liquid phase transition; the liquid stays at 0°C until the last of the ice has melted, and only after that it starts to rise in temperature. So as the ice block has to go first in order for the liquid to continue storing heat, so the human body also has to go in order for the spirit-form to continue it's evolution. It's not a perfect analogy but it is helpful for understanding. Would you agree? Pondering further, the material consciousness-block must then be dissolved by the overall-consciousness-block after the coarse-material-body finally dies, so the former personality and ego ceases to exist, in the sense that the fine-material being no longer identifies itself through the former personality. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. So the overall-consciousness-block must then take over the previous evolutionary role of the material consciousness-block. Not to minimize the whole evolutionary role of the overall-consciousness-block, but to state that it will simply switch from a passive into an active evolutionary role. The whole process from the start to the end is also a hyperunit of positive and negative, right? First a new spirit-form/neugeist is created by Creation, through a union of positive and negative. Here I have a question; in this situation, is the positive the spiritual-realm and the negative the material-realm? Then as you said the overall-consciousness-block (positive) is created by the spirit-form (negative). Next the spirit-form (this time positive) has to find itself a coarse-material body (negative) for itself in order to evolve. Further on, the overall-consciousness-block (positive) is then absorbed by the pure-spirit-form (which is now again a negative). Finally when the pure-spirit-form merges with Creation, the pure-spirit-form represents the positive, and Creation the negative, so the whole process of Creation-energy evolution is in itself also a hyperunit of positive and negative. Therethrough it becomes apparent, that in the whole there is a constant switching and coming together between the positive and the negative, and this is an infinite process, since the negative always demands a positive, and the positive always demands a negative. Salome, Niko | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 11-2008 |
Eddieamartin, A society like that, it must look like something out of a fantasy sci-fi novel. Or maybe it looks like something out of a Casper the Friendly Ghost cartoon :-) I wonder that although many human beings dismiss such things as fantasy and nonsense, is there still a shared inner unconscious 'knowing' about where this evolutionary path is taking us, in the end? Salome, Niko | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2699 Registered: 07-2005 |
I think Steven Spielberg got it very close in his movie AI where towards the end of the movie tall translucent figures take the robot boy for a ride in their UFO crisscrossing the cloud covered sky in terms of what the high council might look like. Matt lee | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 07-2019 |
Hello, Niko, My previous post needs some clarification. When I speak about the (unconscious) spirit-consciousness and the positive overal-consciousness-block I am referring to their functionality. Both blocks are in spiritual-energy completely neutral-balanced, however in their function they are positive and negative. The (unconscious) spirit-consciousness of a human spirit-form is passive, an accumulator of impulses, but also a spender of energy for the overall-consciousness-block. If the (unconscious) spirit-consciousness would be positive or active in the sense, it would interfere with the personality / material consciousness not allowing it to make mistakes (illogical thoughts, actions),which the material consciousness needs to learn. Consciousness evolution would be impossible, because the material consciousness, which originates from the overall-consciousness-block would be stopped by the (unconscious) spirit-consciousness because the spirit-consciousness is part of the spirit and absolutely unable to make mistakes. Therefor, the (unconscious) spirit-consciousness has a negative role, stores (logic/love/wisdom) impulses and provides the material-consciousness forms the energy so it can live and function. The overal-consciousness block, which is responsible for the material-consciousness-forms functions as a positive factor in this, its active, creates thoughts, feelings, emotions, ideas, etc., it makes mistakes and it learns. It has an active / positive role. Together they form a UNITY so the human being can live, learn, evolve. When there is no longer need for a human body, both factors become ONE, a conscious-spirit consciousness of a self-aware pure spirit-form, with its own unique individuality (no personality), evolution from that point on is purely spiritual, creating logic from logic without the need to make mistakes. Human lifeforms who have reached the level of the high council are already impervious swinging-waves or any influences which can ‘tempt’ them to violate even the smallest of the natural-creative laws and recommendations. “The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates “Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius Salome, Jacob | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3497 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thank you Jacob, That was a very lucid explanation. Salome Scott | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1412 Registered: 08-2010 |
Great post Jacob, Really appreciate the explanation. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2008 |
Jacob, Hmm, okay. Thank you again for a great answer. I made a mistake contrasting the material consciousness-block to the overall-consciousness-block. It isn't logical to separate the material consciousness-block without taking into account the whole. So as a whole, the overall-consciousness-block is in the active role of a human beings evolution. So is the overall-consciousness-block then a ONENESS or a UNITY in itself? And in this situation, would the material consciousness-block represent the active/positive function, and the central-consciousness-block the passive/negative function? And when the overall-consciousness-block and the unconscious spirit-consciousness come together as ONE, as a conscious spirit-consciousness, then surely that also has a counterpart? What would that be? Is it Creation, or something else? Salome, Niko | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 07-2019 |
In order to explain it more precisely, I will have to be more detailed. While the function of the unconscious-spirit-consciousnes is a passive/negative one and the function of the overal-consciousness-block is an active/positive one, their respective values are the opposite. The spirit, even when completely neutral and passive, is the positive factor, while the material body/material consciousness/overal-consciousness-block, also completely neutral and passive is the negative factor. The overall consciousness block of the human being leads back to a creative law, however, it is not integrated from the ground up into the spirit form. In fact this block is created only by the spirit form itself (as a new-spirit), by the force of the creative law that also the spirit form must consist of the two poles negative and positive in the existence of the material body. The spirit form itself forms thereby the positive value, while the overall-consciousness-block embodies the negative value, which stands in direct connection with the material consciousness emanating from it, which influences itself by its own power thought-forming and also evolves itself. A very important principle in the spirit-teaching is that of hyper-unit, a unit existing of an equal part positive and an equal part negative, those parts in themselves are also made up into positive and negative. Another important factor to understand is that a unity of positive and negative does NOT consist of 50% of each, that is a misconception. The truth is, that the negative factor is 100% in itself and the positive factor is 100% in itself. I will try this example: If I have a bowl and it holds three apples and three pears, then is that bowl a whole in itself, but also those three apples are 100% of all the apples, like the three pears are 100% of the pears. The human exists of two units, which are also units in themselves. The human (1) exists of the spirit-form (2), which exits in itself of the spirit-consciousness-block (spirit-consciousness, spiritual subconsciousness and spirit-central-consciousness)(3) and the Gemüt(4), which is the spiritual counter-part of the half-material psyche, than, you have the human body (5), in which the material-consciousness-block(6) and the psyche(7) reside. The overal-consciousness-block creates with every incarnation a new personality/material-consciousness. In fact this is the MATERIAL-CONSCIOUSNESS-BLOCK: material-consciousness, material-unconsciouses, censor, material-central-consciousness. In the spirit you have the SPIRITUAL-CONSCIOUSNESS-BLOCK: spiritual-consciousness, spiritual-unconsciousness, censor and the spiritual-central-consciousness. Please take not that the (unselfware/unconscious) spirit-consciousness is NOT the same as the spirit-unconsciousness. The difference is that the spiritual-consciousness-block exists from the very beginning and that the material-consciousness-block is created every time by the overal-consciousness-block when a spirit-form reincarnates in a material human body. Take time thinking this over, can be a lot to process. “The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates “Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius Salome, Jacob | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thank you for your patience in answering. More question keep coming up, so please do tell when to stop  So in a hyper-unit, the two poles of 100% negative and 100% positive also respectively consists of their own two poles of 100% negative and 100% positive, correct? Then the overall-consciousness-block consists also of two poles of 100% negative and positive, namely the material consciousness-block and the spiritual consciousness-block. But these also respectively consists of two poles of 100% negative and positive. So in the end it can't be talked about that, for example, the overall-consciousness-block has only a positive or negative role, because it actually is carrying out both roles in itself in a relatively absolutely perfect balancing act. Is this balancing act the force that is actually driving evolution forwards? Is the spiritual-consciousness-block then a sort of 'anchor-point' for the formation of new material-consciousness-block? Since the overall-consciousness-block strives for balance as a hyper-unit of negative and positive, it would follow that it always creates a new material-consciousness-block that is in balance with the spiritual-consciousness-block, which is also constantly evolving further in tandem with the gathered knowledge, wisdom, love etc., of the material-consciousness-block. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 07-2019 |
First question: Yes that is correct. Second question: The overall-consciousness-block is a product of the spiritform to enable consciousness-related evolution in the material realm. When the spiritform no longer needs to reincarnate and it also absolved its time in the level of the high council, the overall-consciousness-block merges with the spirit-consciousness-block, creating a pure-spiritform with its own identity who is self-aware. This pure spiritform will join the collective of Arahat Athersata. This fate will be come to all of us, sooner or later. The interaction between positive and negative and subsequent potential difference enables motion which translates into evolution, without motion, no evolution. Do not take the term motion too literal. The kyballion: Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates. The kyballion: "Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates." “The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates “Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius Salome, Jacob | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 11-2008 |
Jacob, I'm a bit confused with the terminology here. So the overall-consciousness-block only contains the material-consciousness-block, and it works as a storage for all the learned consciousness-values? The spiritual-consciousness-block is then not part of the overall-consciousness-block? But together they form a hyper-unit. Does this hyper-unit then have a name? I was under the impression that since we have a material-consciousness-block and a spiritual-consciousness-block, then the two of them together form the overall-consciousness-block. But now when I think it through again, since the material-consciousness-block needs to be newly formed once in a while, the requisite balance wouldn't be achieved if it's counterpart was the ever-existing spiritual-consciousness-block. So therefore there needs to be a counterpart which also keeps existing alongside the spiritual-consciousness-block, namely the overall-consciousness-block. Because even when the material-consciousness-block has been dissolved, the overall-consciousness-block keeps on existing and working out the learned values, stores them, and forms a new material-consciousness-block. So in that end the requisite for balance in the whole is achieved. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 07-2019 |
The overall-consciousness-block creates in every new physical life the material-consciousness-block. The material-consciousness-block contains the material-consciousness, the material-unconsciousness, the censor, the material-subconsciousness and the material-central-consciousness. The material consciousness can not be seen apart from the aforementioned other parts like the subconsciousness. When a human dies, the material-consciousness-block is dissolved back into energy and a new one is created after all impulses have been processed. “The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates “Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius Salome, Jacob | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 901 Registered: 07-2006 |
Here are two drawings that may help you understand: Consciousness Spheres https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/ConsciousnessSpheres-sec.pdf Incarnation-Reincarnation Process https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=0biaVJREz9M%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 Hope this helps, PatM | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 11-2008 |
Jacob, Yes, thank you. That much is clear to me. I'm just trying to have a clearer understanding of the relationship between the overall-consciousness-block and the spiritual-consciousness-block. | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 11-2008 |
Patm, Thanks. Your drawings are helpful. Inspired by them I made a quick simplified sketch according to my understanding. Is this correct? Apologies for the large image.  | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 902 Registered: 07-2006 |
If my understanding is correct, the 'Material and Spiritual (Creation-energy) Central Consciousness', which is independent from the Material Consciousness Block and the Spiritual (Creation-energy) Consciousness Block, is the impulse/energy processing conduit between the material consciousness block and spiritual consciousness block and (If I understand this correctly) is managed by the spirit-created 'Overall-Consciousness-Block'. This 'Central Consciousness processing conduit' is dissolved and reestablished during each death-life processing cycle in the other-world. Thus your drawing would be more accurate if you separate the 'Central Consciousness' components from the material and spiritual (Creation-energy) Consciousness blocks. When the 'High-Council' transition begins the wavering-state of the spirit-created 'Overall-Consciousness-Block' begins to dissolve as the need for the Material Consciousness Block impulse processing lessens through the 'High-Council' level up until it (the 'Overall-Consciousness-Block') completely dissolves and the Spiritual Consciousness Sphere becomes aware and with other Spiritual consciousnesses further evolve as 'We-forms' in the pure-spirit (Creation-energy)-levels. Hope this helps PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 903 Registered: 07-2006 |
Also note: The spirit(Creation-energy)-created 'Overall-Consciousness-Block not only (re)establishes impulse/energy connections between not only the 'Overall-Consciousness-Block' newly created Material Consciousness sphere and the Spiritual (Creation-energy) Consciousness sphere, but also the connection between the newly created Material Consciousness-Block and the storage banks at the unique storage-bank frequency associated with the reincarnating spirit-(Creation-energy)-form created 'Overall-Consciousness-Block', during each Death-life processing cycle. PatM | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2008 |
Patm, Thank you for your explanations. Here is a new drawing which is again largely based on your drawings. Please let me know if there are any mistakes. Question: If this whole image was also considered to be one "block", what would it be called? Something is telling me "OMEDAM life-form" would be appropriate...  | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 07-2019 |
Communication from the material-central-consciousness to the spirit central-consciousness is only possible if the impulses from the material-central-consciousness are purely logical. Logical impulses can be understood as impulses of wisdom. Wisdom in itself is the end-product, not knowledge. Wisdom contains knowledge, but knowledge alone never wisdom. Wisdom in itself is the relative perfection of a certain amount of knowledge following these steps: 1. Perception(Wahrnehmung), 2. Recognition(Erkennen), 3. Cognition (Kenntnis) 4. Realization/Insight (Erkenntnis), 5. Knowledge (Wissen), 6. Experience / live-through (Erfahrung) and 7. Wisdom (Weisheit). Truth: The effective compliance of knowledge with Logic, which is Creational power and the absolute of all consistency. Knowledge: Result of absolute logical insight in recognition of the truth. Wisdom: Result of clear balance in logical knowledge and its experience as absolute determination. Love contains/holds within a logicality (Folgerichtigkeit), in other words: logicality lies in love, because love has a cause and an effect. Love is created from causal factors, from what logicality results (depending on the love form and love intensity). Besides love, that which is spiritual and consciousness-related also has a certain logical development = logicality. Logic brings a certain effect from a cause, and this effect is cause for the next effect, etc. Love is a creational and "empfindungsgeprägtes" element. Logic is founded in creational laws (Gesetzmässigkeiten). Logic includes causality (cause and effect) and growing and passing away (Werden und Vergehen). Love and Logic are the fundaments of spiritual / creational-energy, but unknowable in their true essence. However there is always a connection from the spirit-central-consciousness to the material-central-consciousness in order to nourish the material-consciousness-block with the necessary spiritual electromagnetic life-energy. Illogical impulses cannot transfer over due to the unbalanced nature, they are stored in the storage-banks together with any impulse not processed to wisdom as of yet. If a human would be able to spend 50 years of his / her life to consciousness-related evolution and be able to use that 50 years to the fullest, it would amount to about 0.005% increase in spirit-consciousness potential. However in case of an earth human, that percentage is never reached. The absolute maximum a human can evolve in spirit and consciousness is about 1% per 1000 fully lived years. It means that each of those years must be used to their maximum in learning, evolving, experience, etc.} “The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates “Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius Salome, Jacob | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 07-2019 |
Niko, The central-consciousness-forms are not one. There is a material and a spiritual central-consciousness. Your schematic is incorrect. “The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates “Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius Salome, Jacob | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2008 |
Jacob, Thank you for letting me know. I had the same thought in mind and should've asked first before making the drawing. Live and learn... For the record, here is the corrected version:  | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 905 Registered: 07-2006 |
Jacob, My understanding (which may be incorrect) is that the 'Central-Consciousness-Sphere' represents the functionality of the 'Overall-Consciousness-Block' and only exists during the cycles of material-body reincarnations of the Creation-energy(spirit)-form. The New Creation-energy(spirit)-form first creates the Overall-Consciousness-Block when it for the first time incarnates into a Wesen in accordance with the Wesen consciousness type (impulse, instinct or conscious). The 'Overall-Consciousness-Block' then creates that type (impulse, instinct or conscious) of 'Consciousness-Block', while also establishing the impulse processing conduit of the 'Center Consciousness Sphere'connecting the 'Material-Consciousness-Sphere' with the 'Spiritual(Creation-energy)-Consciousness-Sphere', in order to provide neutral-positive impulse transfer between them, while at the same time also establishing a connection to the storage-banks (planetary, cosmic, and universal) for storing all Consciousness-Block processed impulses. It is also my understanding (which may be incorrect) that during the 'High-Council' level the semi-material/semi-creation-energetical(spiritual) wavering state of the Wesen, the 'Overall-Consciousness-Block' and the 'Consciousness-Block' begin dissolving as the Creation-energy(spirit)-sphere becomes self-aware and Creation-energetically stronger in its own Energy-Might-Block. By the end of the 'High-Council' level the Wesen, the 'Overall-Consciousness-Block' and the 'Consciousness-Block' have completely dissolved, i.e., the 'Material-Consciousness-Sphere' and the Central-Consciousness-Sphere' no longer serve a purpose after merging with the Creation-energy(spirit)-Consciousness-Sphere. PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 906 Registered: 07-2006 |
One additional note to be included with my last post: The following also occurs, during each Death-life cycle, as part of the 'Overall-Consciousness-Block's' function, i.e., the 'Central-Consciousness-Sphere's' steps facilitated in the other-world of the 'Overall-Consciousness-Block'. The 'Overall-Consciousness-Block' then creates that type (impulse, instinct or conscious) of 'Consciousness-Block', while also establishing the impulse processing conduit of the 'Center Consciousness Sphere'connecting the 'Material-Consciousness-Sphere' with the 'Spiritual(Creation-energy)-Consciousness-Sphere', in order to provide neutral-positive impulse transfer between them, while at the same time also establishing a connection to the storage-banks (planetary, cosmic, and universal) for storing all Consciousness-Block processed impulses. Please review again the two drawings I previously provided links to and how the drawings are interrelated. Hope this helps, PatM |
