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Author Message Corey Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2016 Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 03:08 pm:        ILB: I think I was the author of the quoted material you found in your PDF, from somewhere in the forum archives, I pulled those dates from the books (OM, Open Word, etc.). CPL (Chris): I hope your surgery was successful. I ran across something in OM, that I know I have read in English before, I wonder if this was part of your source: OM 20:95: «Es waren gegeben den Menschengeschlechtern und Völkern der Erde Propheten von alters her, so also ward gesendet der (1) Henoch (3. Februar 9308 v. Chr.) und der (2) Elja (5. Februar 891 v. Chr.), der (3) Jesaja (7. Februar 772 v. Chr.) und der (4) Jeremja (9. Februar 662 v. Chr.), der (5) Jmmanuel (3. Februar 0002) und der (6) Mohammed (19. Februar 571 n. Chr.) in direkter Folge und steter Wiedergeburt der Geistform, nebst dem Johannes und Eljas und dem Hjob und allem Heer der anderen Rechtschaffenen und Gerechten, wie sie da auch waren der Buddha, der Zoroaster und der Babatschi und andere.» In this passage, Billy did state that like his former personalities, the prophets of old, Buddha, Zoroaster, and Babatschi and others were also other "righteous ones", and other "fair ones". One has to be prepared to be fluid when following FIGU's teaching, and if we sprinkle some of this passage, with some of Ptaah's updates on the Buddha that Bill posted, we may arrive at the truth in the middle. May future Earth historians read these passages, and updates in the future. Salome/Corey Müske Cpl Member Post Number: 865 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 10:21 pm:        Corey, Good find. I do think that is what I saw and read earlier, because it does mention two or three others and also the word "prophet." The operation went well. No complications. Now doing rehab to walk again. Thank you, and thank you all who wished me well. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. Corey Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2016 Posted on Monday, January 02, 2017 - 09:11 am:        It may be as I thought, when I wrote my post 14 a few pages back in this thread, about the topic of Old Lyran/Wegan influence on early Pali-Buddhism (that Jmmanuel studied while training in far East/India) when I wrote: "This brings to mind the snippet of contact 654, that is from Special Bulletin 102 that Bill (Tat_tvam_asi) summarized one page back (post 489) included the part of 'Ptaah replies: that the spirit teachings were brought to what is today the mountainous part of Burma by 2 ancient Lyrans who were distant descendants of the 'emigration force' which arrived on Earth 13,500 years ago.' and the snippet included: 'They settled as 'migrants' some 2891 ago (= 875 BCE) within a group of some 309 male/female people. They formed a small fraternity with a place of learning.'" ----- Ptaah may be elaborating in cnote 654 about the Buddha, which I surmise to be Old Lyran influences on his original Ur-teaching, from what Ptaah revealed in 2004 in contact 355 which is translated below. This may contain errors, but this gives one the general idea: (*1) "...Die Meditationslehre der Satipatthäna-Methode gehört zur Theravada, die gemäss unserem Verständnis die Lehre der Ordensältesten und zugleich die Bezeichnung für die älteste Buddhismusform ist, die als Palibuddhismus bezeichnet wird und deren Schriften auch in Pali und Sanskrit verfasst sind. Diese Lehre entstand auf der Erde aber erst nach dem Tod Buddhas und wurde durch 500 Ordensältesten erstellt und festgehalten. Der eigentliche Ur-sprung der Lehre liegt aber sehr weit zurück, und zwar bei Nokodemion, der urzeitlich die Satipatthäna-Meditationslehre als -Achtsamkeitmeditation- erarbeitet hat, die zu viel späterer Zeit durch die Weithergereisten aus den Tiefen des Weltenraumes zur Erde gebracht und durch den ersten Buddhisimus aufgegriffen wurde, und zwar durch den Palibuddhisimus." "...the meditation teaching of the Satipatthäna method stems from Theravada, and according to our understanding: the teaching of the "oldest order" and equally from the designation for the oldest form of Buddhism called Pali-Buddhism, whose writings are also drafted in Pali and Sanskrit. This teaching first arises then on the Earth after the Buddha's death, and were created and recorded by 500 of the "oldest order". The origination for this teaching then lies very far away, indeed from Nokodemion who had in ancient times developed (worked out) the Satipatthäna method and the -attention meditation-, which at a very later time was brought to the Earth through the travelers from the far reaches of the depths of the outer space, that became picked up by the first Buddhism, and into the Pali-Buddhism." ----- The Ur-form of Buddhism, the way the Buddha was influenced by Lyran teaching for the Satipatthäna meditation teaching, may have still been somewhat pure (recognizeable as Lyran influenced) when it was studied by Jmmanuel roughly 2000 years ago. What was changed by the "oldest order" (Ordensältesten = "order of the oldest"/"oldest order"), and what was left is a mystery, but because it was studied by Jmmanuel, it could have still been highly regarded (un-diluted or diluted?) information for his consciousness training. Once again I will post my answered question to Billy regarding this historical revelation: question: "Dear Billy and Christian, Did Jmmanuel study Palibuddhisimus (contact 355) when Jmmanuel lived in the far east & India studying knowledge and secrets in his younger days learning from wise and knowledgable ones named masters, before he became a prophet (TJ 2011 edition 29:24)?" answer: "yes" ---- final thought: MsMichelle suggested we should read it, then discuss it, and I discovered Billy writes in page XLVIII of the new TJ that present day Buddhism does not suffer from a creator-god syndrome, yet at the same time "this does not mean that all of what his followers have erroneously interpreted from his teaching in a wrong manner since Gautama's death until the present time, can be accepted as truth" (IE modern day Buddhism does not = teaching of the prophets. For this you will require "Goblet" "OM", new TJ, etc.). 2000 years ago when Jmmanuel studied the teaching, was 2000 years ago, and this was 2 full millennia for the Bafath (and misinterpretations of scribes) to corrupt Buddha's handiwork. The only difference between Buddhism, and Christianity and Islam/Muslim religions is that Buddhism has not been drawn into bloody and murderous wars, and such, just proselytising Billy notes in page L of the new TJ. 875 BCE left enough time for some Lyrans with elongated life-spans to still be living to teach the Buddha between 560 and 480 before Jmmanuel. This was a long time ago, with a lot of untruth between here and there, and the thumbnail I posted of Buddha is nice, and makes one think, but it is after all a modern day interpretation of the mysterious figure, and we are looking at an imprint 2500 years later of Old Lyran instruction that was diluted over the course of millennia. Nokodemion-Henok-Meditation was spread all throughout the known universes and galaxies by Henok, and was known since the ancient beginning as -directions (initiation) in the experience-. (*2) A millions of years old meditation sentence, that was built upon by the entire Nokodemion prophet line (from a very long time ago) that was taught to Buddha is "I trust to me the law of the universal consciousness". I am an Earth-man learning this knowledge because of Billy. ----- 1 = page 101 of the German Nokodemion book/translated by Corey Müske/copyright FIGU-BEAM 2 = source = "Spurensuche: Herkunft der Sattipatthana-Meditations-Methode" booklet, and most from page 101-104 of the German Nokodemion book. Anyone interested in the ancient Satipatthäna-Meditations-Methode should purchase Billy's 2 meditation books, meditating while thinking "on" or "over" a topic is the incorrect form of meditation = not Satipatthäna-Meditations-Methode = which is based on thoughtless meditation so one can establish a link with their unconscious by high-concentration, and staring at a meditation object for high-concentration. This meditation is "forced forcelessness" (gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit). ---- Bill (Tat_tvam_asi), you post the plural words "spirit teachings" when in reality this is never translated as plural according to FIGU. There is only one spiritual teaching, teaching of the spirit, teaching of life, teaching of truth, and this is never plural/See FIGU dictionaries note under "Geisteslehre" that says "kein plural". You correct me, I correct you, it's recipricol for development, and the resolution of errors to reach the final product (that is only relative finished [un-absolutely-full-development])! Salome/Corey Müske Corey Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2016 Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2017 - 07:31 pm:        CPL (Chris), I hope you are recovering like a champ. Contact 437 may be your source as well, Billy calls the Buddha a prophet twice: "Accordingly, the national religion of Tibet also cannot be called Buddhism, rather only Lamaism, which has nothing to do with real Buddhism, if nowadays a true Buddhism may be spoken of at all, because, even with this, very many things were distorted and indeed even in regard to the teaching of Gotama Buddha, consequently the real teaching was only taught, understood and lived by the prophet himself." "Demgemäss kann die nationale Religion von Tibet auch nicht Buddhismus genannt werden, sondern eben Lamaismus, der mit dem wirklichen Buddhismus nichts zu tun hat, wenn heutzutage überhaupt noch von einem wahren Buddhismus gesprochen werden darf, weil auch bei diesem sehr viele Dinge verfälscht wurden, und zwar auch in bezug auf die Lehre von Gauthama Buddha, folglich die wirkliche Lehre nur vom Propheten selbst gelehrt, verstanden und gelebt wurde." "True Buddhism knows neither force nor power, nor despotism or forms of un-freedom, of discord or of disharmony; yet what is taught and lived today - also with all other religions and sects - has nothing more, or not much more, to do with the actual teachings of the prophet Buddha because these were thoroughly distorted." " Der wahre Buddhismus kennt weder Gewalt noch Macht, noch Despotismus oder Formen der Unfreiheit, des Unfriedens und der Disharmonie; doch was heute gelehrt und gelebt wird - auch bei allen anderen Religionen und Sekten - hat nichts mehr oder nicht mehr viel mit der eigentlichen Lehre des Propheten Buddha zu tun, weil diese gründlich verfälscht wurde." http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_437 ----- All I can say is later on in the chronologically later contact 654, after Ptaah's revelations about Siddhartha, Billy stated the good he previously wrote about Buddhism he meant for the Bodhists, the small group of people whose fraternity was founded by the 2 ancient Lyran migrants. (Message edited by indi on January 04, 2017) Salome/Corey Müske Cpl Member Post Number: 868 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2017 - 11:31 pm:        Yes, I mentioned those two citations were in CN 437 in my post number 862 (two archives back, December 20). I am recovering from surgery in record time, and rehabilitation has gone so well that they are discharging me from hospital the day after tomorrow. Thanks again for all the well wishes everyone. I am sure the wheatgrass, spirulina, chlorella, amino acids and vitamin supplements helped a lot. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 05:09 am:        What atonement will the future personality of Adolf Hitler have to make? Despite being responsible for the second world war, he wasn't directly responsible for the holocaust; that is to say, he didn't kill anyone. So his conscience might not have been affected by what happened? Hitler may have been the mastermind behind it, but I suspect other prominent Nazis who were directly involved in the mass killing of the Jewish people will have to pay a bigger price, so to speak. I just want an idea of the effect such actions might entail. Scott Moderator Post Number: 2671 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 10:34 am:        To the best of my knowledge, the spirit form of Hitler has already reincarnated.....like everyone the new personality will be receiving impulses, but it is up to each person how to direct each new life... Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 741 Registered: 08-2010 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 11:49 am:        To be honest, I feel it's better to focus on my own progress. Learning and experiencing this incredible realm we have incarnated into. To learn (discover/recognize) these amazing laws that allow us to really live ...and to impact the world that immediately affects us and then beyond that. And I remember the following "Live and help live" ...this is a powerful(beautiful) quote. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 06:52 pm:        I'm trying to understand cause and effect in respect to atonement. But from what I understand there doesn't seem to be any real atonement besides taking responsibility for one's actions. And should one decide not to take responsibility, then one "escapes" atoning for past crimes/transgressions/mistakes. The only consequence one faces, it seems, is delaying the evolution of one's spirit. But given that time is infinite within Creation, and that the spirit will eventually evolve to unite with it, what does it matter if one evolves at an alarmingly slow pace? To Creation it doesn't matter. It is only to humans in the world, which is why we need a society that has all the right laws and regulations in place, in accordance with Creation. But I still feel there's something missing. The law of cause and effect suggests that every action has a reaction. So the effects of one's crimes/transgressions/mistakes must come back on one in some way or other of which one must endure. Directing each new life according to one's own free will doesn't seem to cut it. Or is it that the effects of one's crimes/transgressions/mistakes are nulled upon death? Or simply that there are no effects that are conveyed to the next life? The ripples of one's actions in the material world only effect the material world. In this respect, others will have to endure the effects of one's crime/transgressions/mistakes should one escape atoning for them in one's current life. We have had to endure the effects of world war two and the holocaust, but Hitler escaped atoning for them, and now the new personality into which his spirit is reincarnated has the free will to direct its new life according to its thinking, without atonement. Is that how it is? Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 742 Registered: 08-2010 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 07:55 pm:        What is throwing you off are the words 'atonement', 'crimes', 'transgressions' and 'mistakes'. These are not the lessons to be learned. The law of cause & effect has to do with the evolution of the consciousness. In other words; 'lesson learned, wisdom earned'. Therefore whatever creational lesson isn't learned in one life, then there will be another struggle with it in the next life. But this is no punishment or reward. Keep in mind that Hitler also suffers the consequences of those wars in his present personality just as we all do. The purpose for the human existence comes into view when we shift our focus towards the recognition of creational principles and laws. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) Kenneth Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 04-2013 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 07:37 pm:        Joseph_emmanuel, You are reasonably accurate with your last two paragraphs on your post 154 as I understand the Creational Laws. Much of what you were first expressing comes from religious indoctrinations, including Karma. You appear to be pealing the outer layers of untruths and misdirection quite neatly. As we now know, Hitler was on a mission to help mankind, according to the Plejaren, which failed. His spiritform will not suffer retribution for what happened; nonetheless, he will more than likely be reincarnated into a situation where this spiritform will have to endeavor yet again, very similar circumstances? Good job by the way with your progress. Sincerely Kenneth Votan Member Post Number: 706 Registered: 12-2011 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 07:32 pm:        Joseph_emmanuel There is one problem with this scenario. We can access our past lives if you how to do it. I did thru a cave principle I learnt with the Silva Method. I had a affinity with Roman soldier and ancient history in general.I do not like to kill even though I was called up for the Vietnam war. I chose 8 years in the army part time in medical and signal squadron. It was stated somewhere that all our actions on this human life is recorded on a super computer in the spiritual life. So getting back to mass murderer like Hitler yes everything is recorded. Yes he is responsible because he knew what was going on. Stalin and all the other mass murderers are responsible for their actions.Possibly they have like Billy will always come back the way they left causing havoc in our world. Who knows and I still believe that there is something more to this existence that we are not told. joe Cpl Member Post Number: 874 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 - 10:47 pm:        Hello Joseph_emmanuael, "The only consequence one faces, it seems, is delaying the evolution of one's spirit.�h This isn�ft the only consequence; it also delays and impedes the evolution of one's consciousness. The following is how I see and think of it: All action is preceded by consciousness and thoughts. The actions effectively crystallize or ground the thoughts and consciousness related to the conscious actions performed. A mass murderer, for example, may not atone for the depraved deaths they caused, but if s/he does not then the unevolved consciousness that allowed or encouraged those actions can be a very challenging impulse upon the future personality. S/he will have to deal with those consciousness issues in a new format and without the benefit of conscious recognition of from where or why those consciousness impulses have arisen. We know that if one harbors religious thoughts and convictions, we must deal with these in some way in a future incarnation because that is the level -- or lack of -- consciousness evolution. The same goes for any other negative consciousness, and all actions link with consciousness. I find it helpful to think of it regarding consciousness rather than actions. There is no real escaping, except regarding physical details. What is done, is done, however. No amount of atoning overcomes what has been done. I also find it helpful to think of this in business terms, as like when a company or business goes bankrupt. For example, a multi-billion $ company goes bankrupt. Millions are inconvenienced and maybe impoverished because of it. What can be done? The damage is done. The entity, or company, is dissolved, but the owner (spirit in this metaphor) can go on to start another company (or life as a new personality). The new company (personality) is not punished for the effects of the previous one. If it were no progress could be possible for either the company or its employees (new personality and the world). One could argue that this is unfair and the owner should go to jail or be forbidden from starting another business. Indeed there often are some restrictions put on the person starting a new business, but they do not affect the business, the world needs all who can to do their best making a go of things and building successful ventures (lives) that are successful and helpful for all. The new business (and personality) now has to learn from the past. There are always the nagging feelings (impulses) that things might fail as before and so one has to be careful not to make mistakes. I find this business example one area where our business laws are somewhat reflective of Creational principles. Thus, how the previous business (life) failed does affect the next business (life) relating to impulses and consciousness. We do not get off Scott free; our consciousness and mind are the great creators in our lives. We need them as best and sharp as possible. They are the tools with which we sculpt our life's path and experiences. "What does it matter if one evolves at an alarmingly slow pace?�h It does not matter at all if you are content to live unhappily in a negative situation for a very long time -- except for the very unfortunate fact that one causes great suffering to so many other people. Most people are not like that because it is naturally against our true human nature to want to live negative lives. Evolving one�fs consciousness and helping one�fs spirit to evolve is truly the happy and rewarding way to live a life. Just for starters, it creates an excellent and healthy disposition bringing good and helpful friends and associates into one�fs life. If a person does not want that, they can indeed wallow around in the mud and suffering as long as they want. Some do, but eventually all get tired of that because it is not the natural and best way for us to live our lives. If you have the choice of being a crook or murderer as opposed to a happily married person with a good job and family why choose the former? We can. These choices lie before us, evinced by the fact that we have our free will. Eventually, people wise up, but it does take time for personalities with young spirits to wise up; and anyone can get lost on life�fs journey, and we all make mistakes along the way. So the effect of one's actions does come back, in the form of consciousness. Remember, the overall consciousness block also incarnates with the spirit. It is not the spirit alone that reincarnates into the new personality. Thus we have a responsibility to our consciousness, and to evolve it as best we can in wisdom, reason, and love. Just my closing thoughts on your comment: The new personality housing Hitler�fs spirit will probably face enormous and troublesome racial, humanitarian, and cultural issues in its lifetime; and I would guess in a very troubled Europe. Hopefully, that new personality will get things right and in that way �gatone�h somewhat for the past, (just as a new successful business might �gatone�h for the failure and suffering caused by the previous one). This though has nothing to do with the previous personality but is a matter of consciousness and spirit evolution that can provide impulses for the personality to affect the world for the better. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 03:23 pm:        Chris, I love your analogy. It was helpful and clear, and allowed me to understand where I was mistaken in my thinking. I am aware of the evolution of the consciousness as well as the spirit. Your closing thoughts, though, are what I was really looking for by way of an answer: "The new personality... will probably face enormous and troublesome racial, humanitarian and cultural issues." We are our own worst enemies... and our own saviours. We must learn (save ourselves) from our mistakes (fail ourselves). It is difficult to look upon those who commit evil neutrally with compassion, love and wisdom. Knowing that all people must evolve, and that we all to some extent fail ourselves, it is difficult to look kindly (that is, with understanding) upon some failings. And yet I can't help but feel sad for anyone who struggles with racial, humanitarian and cultural issues. Looking at it from a consciousness perspective forces you to look at yourself, while looking at it as something someone has done encourages you to judge. Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1275 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 10:05 am:        "We can access our past lives if you how to do it. " More imaginary beliefs. One has no way of actually knowing if they're imagining, accidentally tapping into someone else's past life, information from and put together by their subconscious, etc. If we respect Meier's information on the matter, we see that the most likely thing is anything but remembering our own past lives...for reasons explained by him as well. Msmichelle Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 02-2010 Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 06:54 am:        Joseph ....Post 154 is a Great post by the way and I Love the answers and responses from the members... which are helping immensely to understand this subject matter more and more everyday MsMichelle Cpl Member Post Number: 875 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 07:53 pm:        Glad it helped, Joseph. Looking at it from a consciousness perspective helps us look at it objectively and in a non-emotional manner. I have read from Billy's material that we do need to judge; but we judge the events, actions and behaviours, of the person not the personality. That is we judge someone guilty or innocent of such and such an action or behaviour, but we do not, or should not, judge the personality as irredeemable or forever lost to a certain debased character. All people can and do change to a lesser or greater degree. Nothing stays the same; everything in the universe changes. This is another reason why it would be unfair to judge the new personality for something the previous personality had done. They (their consciousness) are given the chance they need to get it right this time. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. Corey Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2016 Posted on Friday, March 03, 2017 - 02:11 am:        About the only thing I will add to this conversation (great replies) is the law of cause and effect for Hitler and the Nazi's is somewhat of an anomaly in this case, for the one reason that everyone failed to mention: the vicious negative ET influences of the Bafath = I'm not clearing the Germans of crimes, but Hitler and the Nazi's were defenseless, and easy targets for the weapons (negative "tools") that the Bafath offered to them that the Nazi's fell for hook, line, and sinker: the greedy might for power, military power, money, aspirations for world domination, xenophobia that led to the holocaust, murder, extortion, lies and deception, etc, you know, barbaric negative traits that can become common among people of our planet (in lower consciousness-related development), and these negative qualities could have been accentuated by direct Bafath contacts with the Thule society (i.e evil of the Bafath accentuates more evil among the Nazis [it spreads out to the Earth]). Our planet was an easy target for the Bafath (who viciously wanted to enslave and subjugate the entire Earth humanity) because overall the people of this planet are dominated by only one pole at a time energetically, and that one pole is either positive, or negative, not a oneness of both poles at the same time, and much of this is due to the main Earth religions that people are sold lies about hook, line, and sinker, so the end result = our people turn their back on the law of contrariness, and equalisedness in forgetfullness due to the enslavement of the consciousness = from religion. In the meantime we have a little over 200 years of residual temporal Bafath impulses to deal with as a planet, and everytime someone makes the effort to live according to Creational law, and take their consciousness to new-found heights by living out the spiritual teaching, we as an Earth humanity win a small step, and we win a little of our own planet back in the destiny of our own hands (instead of our destiny being into the hands of the deported Bafath through temporal residual impulses), and this new destiny is an Earth humanity destiny and a causal foreordination created from the effects of the law of the cause and effect. Billy writes in "God-Delusion and God-Insanity" that if those knowledgeable about the truth, and the atheists and God-deniers were to join forces as "bearers of rationality" and oppose the institution of religion we would avoid a lot of misery, but most likely disaster would have to roll over the Earth before this were to happen. So what will happen? What path will our planet collectively choose in the future? Will it be a good rational path, or will it be a stupid path? There wasn't a damn thing our planet could have done differently in the past, between our civilization being reset back to zero through the Atlantis/Mu war, and the vicious negative ET influence of the Bafath infiltrating this planet through religious influences, whose vicious high-technology was just too much for the people of this low developed planet, and we were completely defenseless because we were not overall living according to Creational law, which means we were overall without the know-how to not fall for Bafath tricks historically. WW2 and the Nazi empire were inevitable, and the Bafath sure had the technology to figure out high technology probability calculations and see the results of their handiwork beforehand, i.e. they knew what "buttons" to press inside Earth humanity to try and enslave the human race through Adolf Hitler, and the Nazi's, who were willing pawns in a vicious cycle of negative ET control of the planet Earth. 200 years of = negative temporal residual Bafath impulses/influences (contact 264 verse 33), and simultaneously 200 years of prophecized negative evil times coming due this planet from learning from this planet's true master = the law of cause and effect = 200 difficult (hard) learning years for this planet's people because of war, and terrorism, plus our people will have to learn the hard way not to overpopulate (food and water shortages [contact 669]). The next 200 years will be difficult, and an evil time, but if we can survive, but if we as a people can move past our volatile natures through 200 years of difficult learning experiences, to be more in tune planet-wide with the law of cause and effect, and other Creational laws, then Billy's whole entire mission will have been incredibly worth it, as it already is bearing good fruits in the consciousnesses of the FIGU community, and this number of people should slowly grow larger in the coming centuries, and there is a good chance that some of us will be reborn into these future (strong) personalities. And sometime by the year 3999, our planet's people will know the energetic oneness of both poles of energy at the same time, and maintain the natural energetic equilibrium of negative/positive = oneness in all the forthcoming descendants after this time. Everything will come full circle, and someday you will never be able to tell about Sirian genetic manipulations, nor will one be able to tell the Bafath were ever here on Earth and tried to conquer it all. But we will carry the scars of our learning experiences, and this is obvious to anyone that can see just how collectively far from the truth the Earth is in the year 2017, and has been far from the truth for thousands of years, and this extreme farness from the truth will gauge the ferocity of the pendulum swing from the law of cause and effect, and it could get bumpy for 200 years so hang on tight! Salome/Corey Müske Corey Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2016 Posted on Friday, March 03, 2017 - 02:29 am:        When I wrote in my post the two things you will not be able to tell in the future (Sirian manipulations and Bafath attempted planetary control) I mean this from the perspective that in the future, by the year 3999 (end of contact 251) the Earth will have changed so much for the better at this time, that those two things I mentioned will be nothing more then a fuzzy distant memory of past experience. Salome/Corey Müske Hawaiian Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 05-2011 Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2022 - 11:32 am:        What actually needed to resolve this host of Earthly problems dealing with the evilness of those in power from the national to State and its subordinate ruling organizations and finally amongst individuals, is not the wholesome influence movement of vast amounts of people concentrating on a singular material Consciousness endeavor, but just a selected highly disciplined group specifically trained in scientific, meditative self awareness protocols along the lines of Creational laws and directives that addresses the Cause & Effect principles regarding the various Gewalt thoughts, actions and events in which these highly trained self disciplined individuals who must control their emotions as not to contaminate this unusual lifestyle while remaining neutral slightly positive on all three realms of existence, respectively the material, half-material and pure non-religious spiritual attributes present in all material human beings. One must understand that there are different laws of existence amongst these three different levels and be intimately aware of respecting each level in order to influence appropriately how each Gewalt event is processed and not contaminate each succeeding steps that will result in the most logically resolution(s) that may not deem desirable for the material Consciousness (as it cannot penetrate into the spiritual realm) Currently and in the foreseeable future, the vast majority of Earthly humans are too lazy and stupid to even attempt to improve themselves let alone being foolish for other to pave that way to them. Therefore it is more logical to select only those who show promise in this endeavor. In a sense, one can compare this selected group to ancient Greece regarding the Oracle of the Delphi Temple where people came to seek resolutions of futuristic events. But this time around, it is this selected group who are trained in Creational laws and directives that influence the outcome of worldly affairs for nature’s good. Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1592 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2022 - 03:22 pm:        Please consider that the Plejaren have been at it for over 13,500 years, always along with a certain number of earth people and with the presence and assistance of the true prophet, seven different times. The Plejaren have finally given up on the mass of stupid humankind. It will be up to the survivors to rekindle the light of truth when the dust settles. Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 728 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Friday, May 13, 2022 - 03:33 am:        agreed, Bermuda said we are to religious for them. Its like talking to someone whom u say something is white but they reply you said it was black ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1926 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Friday, May 13, 2022 - 04:22 am:        “… it is this selected group who are trained in Creational laws and directives that influence the outcome of worldly affairs for nature’s good.” Yes, this is true. And there is a reason why this happens: CR 8 (Semjase) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_008 164. But we want to try to prevent this, because otherwise the same thing will happen that happened to our ancestors, namely that the sect rulers and scientists will as time goes by also elevate themselves to JHWHs and bring about the same catastrophe over creatures and solar systems as it was also characteristic of our forebears and many other races. And, as Michael said, this goes far back. "...the Plejaren have been at it for over 13,500 years, always along with a certain number of earth people and with the presence and assistance of the true prophet..." (Michael's post) In the early days of the “beginning of evils on the earth” many of today’s earth humans belonged to the group of Semjasa, who was their supreme leader. (CR 191:56) As they died on Earth, they were reborn on our planet. But when these people were reborn "their brothers and sisters took them away from Earth and slowly prepared them” for their task to balance the misdeeds, erasing their memory of the terrible past events, converting them to the truth, committing them to work for the truth until all errors were again removed that they – in their lack of understanding – had once committed. This undertaking took many lifetimes. Because for this task it was necessary that these people would accept and understand the thinking of Earth people. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191 See as well CR 009:140-164: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_009 That is why – unwittingly - many of us may be here and now. Similarly, Edgar Cayce: “… Be it true that there is the fact of reincarnation [and those that once occupied such an environ, i.e. time of Atlantis] are entering the earth’s sphere and inhabiting individuals in the present, is it any wonder then that – if they made such alterations in the affairs of the earth in their day, so as to bring destruction upon themselves – if they are entering now they might make any changes in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the present….” (Reading 364-1)

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