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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 482
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2022 - 04:08 am: | 
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Eddie,
Back in 2000, when I was 31, I had a very unusual experience that I'm still trying to understand today. I think I may have mentioned it on this forum some years ago, but never got a reply to it, which is a shame because I don't have it clear in my mind why I had such an experience or what it meant. It's too long to get into from the beginning because it spans over 15 years and culminated in 2001. But in the year 2000, after doing a great deal of work on myself, I suddenly found myself removed from the world and surrounded by a bright white light. This light was all there was, it was all I could see, and it stretched as far as I could see. I had no sense of the world, no sense of time, and no sense of myself. Though I saw this light, I didn't look upon it with my eyes. In that moment, I didn't perceive myself physically. And yet I was there, somehow, without a body. Then I heard a loud voice that came from the light but also from me, and it said two words: "CLEAR" "PURE". That was it.
When I became conscious of myself, I became aware of what I had experienced, but didn't immediately think anything of it. And because I had no sense of time or the world, it felt as though it was something that may have happened in a flash or over a longer period, while at the same time having no idea as to what I was doing or my whereabouts before or after the experience. In a way it was like waking up from a dream, except that it wasn't a dream.
I had thought about this a lot since it happened. I have come to think of it as an experience of what it is like to no longer be "living", an experience of death. I know in myself I had experienced my consciousness, and although I had no sense of myself, I could still "see", I could still "think", and I wonder if this might have been an experience of the "You" to which you refer. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1523
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2022 - 09:37 am: |
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Joseph,
That's certainly an interesting experience you had. Without context, there's no way to speculate what it could have been.
Also, the "You" I was referring to is just another way of identifying (or begin to discuss/understand) what an Omedam (Human) is... you will learn about and recognize these components within yourself, what makes up an Omedam, from your study of the Goblet. Once you learn about and recognize what you truly are, then the consciousness powers and abilities will begin to awaken.
But in regards to your experience, without context, it could have been an experience by or through the material consciousness. It could be from standing up too fast, a sleep state or even a nutritional factor or health related factor such as a sudden blood pressure related drop or rise. It could also be from a very strong state of meditation... we can only make assumptions.
As it is explained in the Goblet, it just goes to show you that the material consciousness requires care and attention. If or when the material consciousness is affected, it will affect how we perceive and interact with the world around us and/or within the world of the material consciousness.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 483
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2022 - 10:54 am: |
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Thanks Eddie,
I look forward to receiving the Goblet. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1524
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2022 - 07:27 pm: |
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Joseph,
You're welcome. Really enjoyed the discussion.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 485
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2022 - 06:45 am: |
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Eddie,
I often think about that experience I had and I do wonder if that's what it's like when we cease to exist in the world. The thing about it that I find the most curious is the fact that the only reason I am able to relay it to you, or to anyone, even to myself, is because I am alive in the world. If I hadn't been alive, I would never had become conscious of having had such an experience. And I wonder if that is how it is in the other realm until our creation-energy-form is reincarnated again in a new human body, at which point as babies we become conscious of that part of ourselves, but lose all sense of it as we grow older. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1525
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2022 - 01:03 pm: |
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Joseph,
Your experience was certainly an interesting one. Perhaps one day you may be able to visit with Billy and get answers. His storage banks go all the way to the Arahat Athersata, so he knows quite well what the Omedam existence is all about.
I think many of us have had experiences that make us wonder and contemplate this existence and also offer us insights into the powers and abilities of the consciousness. I had a couple of experiences where cancer patients were healed.. one involved a child and the doctor became famous. My friend and I experienced the Creational energy (that feeds/nourishes our spirit-form) and felt it flowing through our hands... only Billy explained and described it exactly... no way he could have just invented that description because he described it exactly... something no religious leader could explain nor describe the actual experience (of course, "God works in mysterious ways" was the best anyone could offer).
I've had three "out-of-body" experiences. The last two were due to food poisoning and the first was when I found myself with a few others in the middle of a gang fight.
In the craziness and mayhem I got tunnel vision and was having a hard time getting out of it. In my frustration to wanting to see and get out, I suddenly had a birds-eye view above me, then I traveled around watching all the violence. I then went back to my body and the tunnel vision was gone. The few with me were panicking and terrified. I then told them to follow me as I already knew the direction to go. As we start walking, I again found myself floating with a birds-eye view. I was able to locate people hiding in bushes all over the park. At one point I checked on the group following me and I saw myself walking for the first time. Once I located everyone hiding, I took the group to each one and got them to come with us. What was funny was their reaction wondering how did I know they were there.
Billy explains this is a power and ability of the consciousness and this power/ability acts more as a visual-feeler... so no actual "out of body" even though that's the optical illusion.
The more we realize and recognize what an Omedam is, the more we realize the beauty and majesty of our beautiful Creation and her idea for Omedam.
It's like Arahat Athersata said in the book Jacob quoted for you; "The human being is that God."
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 487
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2022 - 07:30 am: |
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Eddie
You're a martial artist, aren't you? I'm sure I read that somewhere in one of your posts. It sounds like your senses were heightened. It must have been an incredible experience, as well as frightening. The consciousness is an amazing thing, and we understand so little about it, and have so little control over it.
Just to be clear, you became consciously detached from yourself while you were physically defending yourself? So there were like two of you. That's amazing. Can't say I ever experienced anything like that.
I looked up the word Omedam in the Goblet. It's only mentioned once, at the end. But it doesn't explain what it is. |
Scott
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Post Number: 3689
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2022 - 07:41 am: |
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From the FOM Website:
3. OMEDAM means Law(OM) - and(E) - Fulfilment(DAM). The life form OMEDAM is the fulfilment of the Law of Creation in order of its own evolution - The human form is created for the purpose to evolve Creation itself by means of countless lives in the material realm and after that as a pure-spirit-form by countless transformations in the spiritual realm until re-unification of the spirit-form with Creation so that Creation benefits from the spirits knowledge and wisdom and evolves itself a little more. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 488
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2022 - 08:27 am: |
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Thanks Scott
Admittedly, I have the Future of Mankind bookmarked, and I'm on there frequently looking up things. But for some strange reason, I didn't think to search for OMEDAM on there.
I still feel there is a question or two to be asked regarding this term. The explanation given for it is clear enough, but I can't help but feel detached from it, as though it is unrelatable, like a foreign word, but also like a foreign experience. I can speak of myself as a human being, for example, and know exactly what that is like. But to speak and think of myself as OMEDAM, that is foreign to me, which I suppose is understandable.
I think Eddie expresses it well: "The more we realize and recognize what an Omedam is, the more we realize the beauty and majesty of our beautiful Creation and her idea for Omedam", although I find even this sentence, especially the last four words, a little mystifying. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1526
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2022 - 08:33 am: |
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Joseph,
Fortunately, the gang members were preoccupied with fighting amongst themselves. So myself and the people with me simply walked away unharmed.
Not sure if you've heard of people experiencing "out-of-body" experiences. Where they float in the air and view from above. Since it is a projection of the consciousness, there is no way to interact with the environment. Hope that clears it up.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 489
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2022 - 12:32 pm: |
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Eddie,
I've read about people having OBEs. But your experience is the first time I've heard of it being used to get someone out of a situation. I didn't need that clearing up. But I'm glad you cleared up your involvement in the gang fight. I actually imagined you as some kind of action man. |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 522
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2022 - 11:17 am: |
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Just reading part of Talmud Immanuel, where it introduces Johannes (John the Baptist in the Bible), who in a previous life was Eljas, a disciple of Elja the prophet, and I wondered if the same spirit-form now embodies Christian Frehner or Michael Horn. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1640
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2022 - 01:11 pm: |
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Not me. At that time I had a gig selling carpets to the Carthaginians, after a failed attempt to turn the Phoenicians onto falafel, which hadn't been invented yet.
The confusion may have arisen because I was called something like Hellyes, probably because of some never-proved charges about a Greek restaurant. That's another story. |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 523
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2022 - 12:04 am: |
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Hellyes!
Love it. Hilarious reply. |
Jokubas_stalmokas
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Post Number: 140
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2022 - 03:49 am: |
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What shenanigans have you been into Michael. Was that you the famous traveller selling wine like water or the other way around to Galicians? |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 529
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2022 - 06:16 am: |
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I know when you die, the spirit-form is severed from the material body and the material world, but could it ever become possible in the future where the body of a dead individual can be resurrected, albeit a different person?
For example, if the body of dead individual is frozen in a controlled environment for a hundred years or longer, could it ever become possible to re-animate him? |
Jacob
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2022 - 01:45 pm: |
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No, a dead body, where the creational-energy form is totally severed can never be re-animated.
The dead body once belonged to a specific creational-energy-form only and cannot be animated by another.
“The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates
“Our life is what our thoughts make it.” - Marcus Aurelius
Salome,
Jacob
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 530
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2022 - 01:37 am: |
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Jacob
Just to be clear, I didn't really think so. I was reading about Michael Jackson the other day where it said that his body has been frozen, and so I thought I'd ask if future technology could achieve re-animation, like in the Frankenstein novel. I suppose it will always remain science fiction.
What about people who are suffering from terminal illness and choose to freeze themselves while still living in the hope of being resuscitated in the future should a cure be found? Is that possible? |
Hugo
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Post Number: 1148
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2022 - 12:03 am: |
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All those people that got themselves frozen are dead and will never come back to life. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 213
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2022 - 08:34 am: |
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Hi Joseph
We know some possibilities may exist under the right circumstances and with the right technology. For instance, we know in the case of Semjase's accident at the center, she was returned to Erra, only seconds before she would have died, and was frozen. Later, with the help of a highly developed race from the DAL Universe, she recovered. However, she had (and still has) to re-learn her consciousness-related abilities again, a process that last some 70 years. (FIGU Bulletin 28)
From CR96 -
Isados:
36. It is the truth that Semjase was dead when you found her.
37. Her brain was so badly injured that there was no hope of being able to sustain her life.
38. Our scientists were also unable to help her, which is why her physical existence was slowly being marked by death.
39. She was therefore placed in a deep coma in the container you found her in only a few minutes before her life was finally extinguished.
40. Through the intravenous supply of various substances, her body was put into a rigid and deep-frozen state in a few fractions of a second, which immediately extinguished her physical life, but only for a predetermined period of time during which her spiritual form did not escape from her, for in this state of resurrection possibility, the latter clings in a stagnant form to the organic locality assigned, namely in the brain area.
41. Only after the resuscitation of the body does it automatically put aside its stagnation and push itself back to activity.
42. While Semjase was prepared for a later resuscitation, her father Ptaah tried to help her in the DAL universe with Asket, whom you should know.
43. But this help was not able to be given by the people in the other universe either, which is why Asket sought help from a human life-form race in her universe that was 4,000 years more advanced, which she actually found and received there.
44. From there several scientists came to Erra and took Semjase.
45. In a lengthy process, the destroyed brain parts of Semjase were removed, the frozen brain acids were inserted into artificially generated new plasmaprotonal brain parts and directly reconnected to the brain, after which a rapid healing process allowed the artificial and natural plasmas to grow together and the skull could be closed again, which was then regenerated by a rapid process.
47. Semjase will have no memory of it, not even of the 42-hour duration, since she was dead.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_096
But it is doubtful that the technology behind the present long term cryogenic programs can properly resuscitate the frozen since the Plejarens themselves had to seek the help from another universe to accomplish it.
Bob |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 532
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2022 - 12:29 am: |
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Bob,
I just wanted to know if it was possible, and it appears that it is with the correct technology, of course. Thanks. |
Nadal
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2022 - 04:50 pm: |
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Ptaah informed us soybeans are a carcinogenic grain that adversely affects consciousness.
Bermunda CR 792 recommends soy as a source of amino acids etc.
Hello Nadal,
Unfortunately, I had to remove your soy.doxc because it would not open. Perhaps you can paraphrase what was contained within it?
Thank you
Scott-Moderator
(Message edited by scott on November 16, 2022) |
Nadal
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2022 - 05:09 pm: |
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Ptaah informed us soybeans are a carcinogenic grain that adversely affects consciousness.
Bermunda CR 792 recommends soy as a source of amino acids etc.
What worries me is a natural and healthy conscious to learn better the spiritual teachings |
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