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Markc
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 06:19 pm: | 
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Hi Scott ;
I think that you may have tuned into his physiological signs enough to be sensitive to his conditions/habitual tendencies .
When I read about it I got a lump in my throat . Sorry .
Salome , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 544
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 11:20 am: |
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Im all "choked up" from all the sincere responses I have received  |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 83
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:25 am: |
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One man's "war" against sloppy thinking:
http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opinterview.jsp?id=ns24631 |
Phaethonsfire
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Post Number: 317
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 01:23 pm: |
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The Perception of Truth
First we start with the definition of truth:
"Truth is the effective correspondence of knowledge with logic, which is the creative force and absolutum of all consequentiality."
Translated from Dekalog page 133:
"Die effective Ubereinstimmung des Wissens mit der Logik, die da ist die Schöpfungskraft und das Absolutum aller Folgerichtigkeit."
Even when spiritual truth in itself is absolute and unchangeable for all times, that means, it doesn't change in itself, it does change in 'mass' during the course of evolution and with the passing of time, it grows and expands.
What you knew to be truthfull when you where young is now just a part of the truth you know now, and what you know now, will be a part of the truth over the next 10 years.
Truth itself never changes, just it's 'size'. This principle of spiritual evolution applies to all humans throughout the entire Universe.
Depending on the spiritual evolution level, the perception of truth is different. What truth is for oneself doesn't have to be truth for another.
For example a caveman could never relate to the reality and the truth of present day man and present day man can't relate to the reality and truth of a space faring human race.
Even amongst people of a civilisation itself there are big differences in understanding of truth.
There are many people spending all their lives leading a material life with just the slightest hint of spiritual truth, anything different is just not a part of their reality.
That doesnt make them any less human. They deserve the respect and compassion like everybody else.
The laws of evolution clearly state that the more/higher developed life learns from the less/lower developed life and not to fall back into less developed ways of thinking and acting, and the less/lower developed life should learn from the more/higher developed life and follow its' lead.
Where in nature the strongest of the group animals is the leader. It is with human kind, the most advanced and evolved person, regardless of gender, who is the natural leader.
Always realize that knowing the truth is relative and not even Creation itself knows the last truth. We are all seekers and finders on the path of evolution and perfection, and we should help and support each other, finding and staying on the path of truth, not dominate, surpress or overpower the other.
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Timelord
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 04:33 am: |
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A question for jacobjn.
You write about controlling thoughts: "Words like 'don’t' or 'doesn’t'
have no effect and are ignored by strict logic of the material
consciousness forms and the Psyche, which are the originators
of all thoughts and feelings.
Do you mean that all thoughts like "I don't want to think of that
particular negative subject" aren't send away by the psyche as a thought vibration?
Btw, many thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 41
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 01:39 am: |
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I like to point out the difficulty with getting the people on this planet to wake up to the 'truth' as far as spiritual teachings goes.
We have religions who have set up their establishments for so many centuries and ingrained their people with myths which are presented as truths.
But with Christianity in particular (it'll probably be easier with Muslims and Jews to trace the authencity of their texts backward, because of less language translations involved) you can't get from here to there, with tracing the origin and writers of the Bible. People may be able to trace text back from this side of history (recent times) back to medieval times? But not all the way back to 'who?' exactly wrote the words that is quoted so often by fervent christians.
Will christians ever acknowledge this? How there is no direct line backwards towards it's origins.
Will the Jews, Christians and Muslims ever agree that distortions occurred soon after the text was written to papyrus, or even in the process of the writing (since the exact author is largely anonymous).
There are any number of ways (you can think of) in helping to decide whether the message given to us is real or not?
The simplest I think of is the message itself. If it is truth, it will resonate within oneself, and you can recognise the knowledge and wisdom within it. Also, the teachings together should show consistancy and believability in how they are presented.
eg. I have copied down the following from a lecture that Dietmar Rothe gave at a UFO conference about the Jmmanuel teachings.
These are from the slides he showed.
They are taken from a video of the lecture, but alas, the MPEG file is missing the audio codec/track so I have only the visual only.
(I've downloaded the file from a filesharing network).
I believe this is a transcript of that lecture?
http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=337&id=10715
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
1. Immutability
Creation and its laws are
Eternal and unchanging
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
3. Omnipotence
Creation is Omnipotent
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
4. Love
Creation's Love is unconditional
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
5. Logic
Every effect has a cause
Every action has a
Consequence
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
6. Mystery
Creation is infinitely
Mysterious
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
7. Life
The Life Force is
the Power of the Spirit
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
8. Creational Evolution
Creation never stops
Creating in the process
of perfecting itself
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
9. Human Evolution
A Human Spirit evolves
by growing in love, logic
and wisdom
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
10. Spiritual Immortality
& Reincarnation
A Human Spirit is
indestructible & evolves
through the experiences
of many lifetimes
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
11. Free Will & Desire
Free Will allows Humans
to learn by trial, error
and correction
Laws of Creation - Spiritual
12. Justice
Justice follows logically
from the Laws of Creation
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Creation does not judge
There is no option but to compare the Jmmanuel teachings with what they know about the Christian teachings (and/or the Jewish and/or the Islamic) and see which is the more sensible, which ones makes for more sense, that is reasonable and logical.
It is not easy for ordinary people to compare -- as it requires some thinking involved in doing any sort of comparison, requiring some understanding, and above all, some serious thinking.
Perhaps some simple analogies is all that is needed to make the point clear.
When people buy a car - most people are not technically minded enough, to know all about the advantages of certain engine types - they worry more about what directly affects them, the purpose for which the vehicle is intended for? How easy is it to drive and to see clearly outside for parking, etc.
Only the petrolheads want to know all about the car in almost every detail - the tyres, bodywork, speed and maneuverability, etc.
I think it would be beneficial to have an idiot's guide (or clear summary) about the Talmud Jmmanuel teachings, etc - and about the Billy Meier case. It would also be helpful to access clear summaries of all religious and spiritual material (of the others, too) so that people are clear about everything - ready for evaulation themselves.
It would also be nice to know the true history of these world dominant religions to know exactly what went wrong with them and how?
I would guess that it was the case of the founders of the early church of these religions, that corruption occured at the very start, soon after the founder died, or left the scene (as in Jmmanuel). Did this happen with the teachings of Buddha too?
Harvey |
Phaethonsfire
Moderator
Post Number: 367
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 01:41 pm: |
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Negativity and Evolution.
Some people live their whole lives asking themselves why they have so much negativity and why they make so many mistakes.
Now negativity in a Earth human life can have many causes, but we take one major cause and examine it.
One of the major causes of lots of negativity in a human life is the lack of true knowledge and wisdom and understanding of the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments.
When a human is on a low level of evolution then his level of knowledge and wisdom is subsequent small and low developed.
The world for him is a big unknown and of a lot of actions and thoughts he has are based on ignorance and not knowing the truth.
When Jmmanuel said (TJ 26-201 verse 27): “There is no eye equal to wisdom, no darkness equal to ignorance, no power equal to the power of the spirit, and no terror equal to poverty of consciousness”
He meant that the darkness is the ignorance of man (=human, man/woman) not having the knowledge and wisdom of the eternal truth about Creation and its Laws and Commandments.
Only the Laws and Commandments of Creation and the knowledge and wisdom to live accordingly to the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments let man live a neutral-positive and balance life with himself, his fellowman, Nature and Creation.
However, every human that is in evolution has to build up this knowledge and wisdom, and that is done by making mistakes and learning from them, this is simply an necessary way of evolution, of course every human learns from what his fellowman left behind, in good (logical) and in bad (illogical).
When there is a lot of negativity in life and lots of mistakes, one should never give up the hope, the will and the vigor to keep going on and to keep on evolving, one day in the future all the hard work, relentless researching and seeking for knowledge will pay off, this is not a case of believing, but knowing an absolute fact of life.
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 87
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 05:22 pm: |
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Hi Harvey, I'll just comment on one point with relation to Buddha and one possible development in Christianity which I'd welcome feedback on. Buddha never wanted to found a religion. He resisted, and resisted pleas to do so because he knew it would create a static system of belief that would prempt the advice he had often given, echoed in ihis final words, "Work out your own salvation with diligence." He knew it was essential for people to apply themselves and gain their own experience. However the pleas for him to help grew greater and greater. The strongest plea for him to found a religion came from those who said if he did not then all his experience, knowledge and wisdom would be lost after his passing -- someting FIGU is attempting to ensure does not happen in the case of Billy today. So eventually and reluctantly Buddha decided to form a religion and laid out careful instructions for its creation and preservation. Buddha realized this was not optimum, but decided it was probably the best thing to do for the people. It certainly led to Buddha's teaching being fairly accurately preserved, which has doubtless helped many people, but at the end of the day how ritualized and regimented has it become? Or simply put, how does it stand in the balance, is a question people must answer. There are a great many aspects and things involved with any religion. They can do much good, but invariable lead to spiritual blindness and ignorance which is, in the case of the latter, as Buddha said "The greatest evil." The following possibility regarding the formation of the Christian teaching of the "only begotten Son" I'd like to put forward to FIGU for its possible answering: Could this ridiculous and illogical idea have arisen from a garbled misunderstanding of the fact that Iesu Emmanuel had originated from the levels of AA and he was the only one on the planet to do so, therefore making him some kind of special authority in the eyes of people back then? There may also be other ridiculous "reasons" for the development of this idolatrous super-saviour outlook. Idolatry here means, making a popular idol of, not necessarily worshipping of an image, which many in both these religions nevertheless do. This idolatry is a problem of ignorance found especially prevalent in the Christian and Buddhist religions. |
Damiah
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 03:22 am: |
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I am interested in positive thinking. Serve opinion, that the everyone is such how thinks. Entails it his inner conviction. For example, when somebody believes in it, that the him something will fail, or, that the is ill, poor and thinks in hate to its fellowman and on, so that matches also his life. Such people are you high dissatisfied, always behind something animadvert on and surely have problems. Be enough say in spirit, or aloud and or constitute its life such, what him do you want have. Base is love and forgiveness. Hate and wrath are like poison for organism also life. Be enough forgive alone and its fellowman. Realize, that every being throughout universe is unique that is why walks life every a little other way. Fancy every man's like independent being and his life like independent universe. Every this its universe forms its thinking and by images. It follows, that the every is able to create its life such, what him wants have. Over its life work also his surroundings and whole planet. For example, when do you think in hate and fear so unwittingly on draw peoplethat the accordingly so at you shelter and unwittingly help also realize also various natural disaster area as are for example floyage, earthquake and alike. On the contrary thinking in love and unison bears paradise underfoot |
Phaethonsfire
Moderator
Post Number: 370
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:51 am: |
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Conscience, Reason and Common Sense
Humans carry in their personality (material consciousness-forms) a set of capabilities, abilities and potentials. Some of these capabilities, abilities and potentials are given by Creation and have the purpose of enabling material and spiritual evolution.
Since the beginning, potentials of Ur-reason and Ur-common sense is present in the human. Without these potentials of Ur-common sense and Ur-reason it would be absolutely impossible for the human and the spirit form to evolve.
The meanings of Ur-reason and Ur-common sense are meanings created by the author of this post to clearify that reason and common sense existed already from the very first beginning in human beings and in their spirit. The word Ur means primordial.
With the potentials of Ur-reason and Ur-common sense, it is the very 'seed' of reason and common sense that is present in every human being since the Ur-ages. Ur-common sense and Ur-reason are nothing more than undeveloped common sense and reason, therefore these two factors are latent and primordial.
These two factors form the main factor INTELLIGENCE, which is an inherent part of a consciousness. Intelligence can't exist without a form of consciousness, and consciousness can't exist without intelligence. Of course, there are many forms of consciousness and intelligence but not always recognized as such.
Everything in Creation must exist in either a unity (a combination of equal parts of positive and negative) or as a hyper-unity (a combination of two positive-negative unities, as described in the first part of this sentence).
In the material human there is also a very important factor of evolution that is called The conscience.
The conscience, in its normal unaffected function in the material consciousness-forms, is that of inner guidance, the sense of 'good' or 'bad'. The conscience is a combination of an impulse coming from the spirit form via the material-centralconsciousness and material-subconsciousness. Its also present as a genetic material factor, when the latter is unaffected, it prevents or at least slows people from committing atrocities and extreme violence.
Another crucial part of the conscience is the so called 'Sensor' that is a barrier between the material consciousness and the material subconsciousness. One of its functions is to prevent conscious bad (negative, illogical) thoughts from materializing, realizing.
However, when the 'sensor' is overloaded in any way, those illogical and negative thoughts and ideas can become reality.
In such a case the bad (illogical idea) will come in the center of attention and will be realized.
A classic example of a negative illogical thought is the idea to kill someone, or to harm them without the need for self-defense.
The factor 'Conscience' steers and keeps the development of common sense and reason. According to the natural creative laws and commandments, normal, sane people will not commit murder. When such a thing happens, it is always the case of some kind of force that has been applied or malfunction of the sensor and/or material consciousness-forms.
The conscience keeps us from committing horrible deeds, steers the common sense and reason in natural creative ways, but only in a very basic form. It's always the personality that determines in which way thoughts or actions are formed, and the responsibility for thoughts and actions always lies with one' s own personality.
Thanks Scott Baxter and Brenda Winkler for pointing out several grammatical errors in this post, the correct word is Conscience, NOT conscious
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Thomas
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:33 am: |
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Jakobjn, sometime ago in this part of the forum you discussed intuition and I understood what you said. You also mentioned that it is the easiest or one of the easiest consciousness related abilities to learn. Can you relay to all of us here what you know about developing this ability for more practical use? I mean specifically what must one do to develop it? Thank you! |
Phaethonsfire
Moderator
Post Number: 371
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 04:10 pm: |
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Hi Thomas,
A more practical use of intuition would be as simple as knowing the accurate time up to solutions of complex situations.
Intuition is relative easy to learn, but nevertheless, one need to have a lot of practice, so trying, 300 to 400 times should be regarded as normal, as with any ability, it needs to be rehearsed and practiced life-long, practice really makes perfect in this.
I strongly recommend the concentration excersizes posted on this forum, which are derived from the book "The Psyche" or through real meditation.
Important is the peace of mind and the silence of the material consciousness, so you can grasp the first intuitive impulse.
So, first the concentration excersizes, then learn how to grasp te first impulse coming from the spiritform.
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 77
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 11:04 pm: |
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Thank you Jakobjn. Then a question about meditation: Once one finds the ability to quiet the mind, if you want to achieve a desired goal during meditation, must the image of what is desired be concentrated on? Or must you decide the goal before the meditation and then just "let it go" so the subconsciousness can take care of it? Thanks again! |
Dplotmach
Member
Post Number: 63
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 05:36 am: |
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Hello people on this forum.
What do you think is the best way to get rid of unwanted thoughts and desires? I've tried to get rid of these thoughts of mine by meditation, but it seems not to work... |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 680
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 08:27 pm: |
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Hi Dplotmach,
It's not a matter of getting rid of unwanted thoughts, but it’s learning not to concentrate on them. When you concentrate on them this gives them energy, which will attract like thoughts.
When you find yourself thinking of thoughts that you consider unwanted, just let them pass without judgment. One of the key goals in meditation is to slow down the flow of thoughts within the material consciousness. One thing I find which works is to concentrate on one thing and one thing only. This should be something neutral, such as a flower or something which doesn't have any personal meaning to you. As you develop the ability to concentrate, your conscious mind will calm down, which in turn helps to neutralize the subconscious. As time goes on you will develop a calmer and more neutral view of the world and your thoughts will be easier to manage. If you notice when you are upset or worried about something your thoughts can race through your mind, but if you learn to concentrate as I mentioned this will calm your entire psyche and conscious mind.
I realize this is a very simplistic answer, but I have proven it to myself and it does work, but it takes concentration and time.
Regards
Scott |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 07:37 am: |
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hi to all
scott is right,
thougths are like clouds in the sky, you dont have to pay attention to them and they just float away, to try to get rid of them is like when a dog is tries to bite his own tail . . .
there are also other "tricks" that can help, if for example you are feeling anxious, or are experiencing any undesired "state" then you should focus your energy in the opposite/complementary state, in this case you should sit down, take a deep breath, close your eyes, and visualize the state of peace and harmony in which you want to be. . .
if you are experiencing something negative that you dont want, then you DON´T have to think: i don´t want this or that, but instead you should think and focus in WHAT YOU WANT
for example if you are a very insecure person then you have to visualize yourself being secure, if you have constant problems with your health then you should imagine yourself being very healthy and happy etc etc
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if meditation does not seems to help to get rid of unwanted thoughts and desires is because in order to meditate FIRST you have to be in peace and harmony (to really meditate there should be only silence in your mind, 0 thoughts)
for that your mind has to slowly become more and more quiet, you have to see all things with impartiality, without judging them, just observe quietly, take a good walk and breath deeply, look at other peoples eyes, at the trees and the insects, look at the beautiful sky and see how the clouds float high above you, be part of the flow of nature, be one with all. . . |
Dplotmach
Member
Post Number: 72
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 02:05 pm: |
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Hello
What is the best way to learn how to think (nearly) absolutely logical? I have problems with this, I think it is my "material consciousness/intelligence that is ill" as Jacob put it.
"Material intelligence can be logical and illogical depending on its cooperation with the spirit, with out a connection with the spirit, logical thinking is impossible and will cause the material consciousness/intelligence to become confused.
This is named wrongly as spirit illness, while in truth its the material consciousness/intelligence that is ill.
The spirit can never be ill or confused."
Does schizophrenia and it's medication make kind of an disconnection with the spirit? Must one first be totally cured of this illness before one can take advantage of meditation? Is it dangerous for me to meditate?
"The Peace Meditation in practical terms
Who can participate?
Anyone can participate in the meditation who possesses a clear, material consciousness (which must not be impaired by drugs, alcohol or a severe psychological illness)." |
Consolato
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 02:21 am: |
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I have a yeast intollerance to a lot of types of foods which causes a cloud to form around my mind and prevents me from thinking very clearly. I'm told that the only way to fix this type of problem is to follow a strict diet and intake of various vitamin pills for about a couple of years or more. I've been trying to do this for about a year now, but I still have a lot of trouble trying to think clearly most of the time. Does anyone else here have this type of problem too, or know of anything or any information they could refer me too please.
thx Con |
Tjames
Member
Post Number: 120
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 02:17 pm: |
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Consolato,
Not now, but I did. I had a fogginess in my thought process that has now practically vanished.
I have accociated this problem with the consumption of unnecessary amounts of sugar, white flour instead of whole wheat.
I have also found meditation to be key to mental health aiding us in thinking more balanced!!!
I take vitamin D with a balanced ratio of magnesium, vitamin C, A, and B-12 along with fish oil. The fish oil is WONDERFULL. But, I noticed how sluggish and tired, plus foggy my thinking was with white flour, which breaks down to glucose as does sugar in you body, if i remember from highschool biology this causes unnecessary amounts of enzymic reaction in your digestion using alot of blood and atp (energy) for your digestive track ,which would other-wise be used for your brain and additionally draining your overall health.
I also ordered Neem form www.Neemwell.com this stuff will set you strait for other health issues like, anti-inflamatory, parasitic, bacterial, viral,fungal and anti-histamine.
I of course do not have to mention the negative effects from drugs or alcohol.
I have found that cutting white flour replaced by wheat, less sugar, meditate as needed and get a healthy amount of distilled water plus excercise as the last one sounds overplayed, it nevertheless does wonders as well!!!
Good luck and Good health,
Saalome,
Tim |
Phil638
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 12:14 am: |
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I have this very yeast intollerence problem that both of you have, although I have a very bad case of this problems related effects as I'm not avoiding eating the foods that I'm supposed to be avoiding eating as well as I'm not on any vitamin pills too. This pyhsical illness is the cause of why I often make so many grammer, samantic and bad choice of wording mistakes in my sentences here at this forum. It's hard to find the correct choice of words to use in what your saying and trying to say in your post when your mind is like its shrouded in a cloud of smoke. It stops you from thinking clearly and so often you are lost for finding the correct words to use in your posts to get the right message of what you want to say accross to people. This is the problem why I appear to have a mental problem with how I construct my sentences too. Even when I reread my posts before posting them in, so often I am unable to see all of my samantic and construction of words mistakes that I make in them, only to realise or see them after they've been posted in to the forum. This problem also has the same effect on me wether I'm speaking to someone too. I don't mean anything by this but I suspect that this problem often makes me appear to others here as if I'm of lesser intelligence then what I really am or it makes me appear to others here like as if I'm someone who rushes his posts in and doesn't bother rereading his posts to check for any mistakes before posting them in because he couldn't care less if others here find it difficult to understand or follow what his trying to say in his posts. Thats not me because I have more respect for this forum as well as fellow forum members to do that and not care less. It also doesn't help that this forum doesn't have an "edit" function too. I hope that most people here see that I've got a pyshical related problem there for the cause of all my "bad writing" mistakes and not because I've got a pyschological related problem. Anyway I want to get over this problem now so I've booked myself into to see a naturualpath next week and in a year or so I hope that eventually I can write and speak as easily as what most people do.
phil |
Anthea
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 05:29 am: |
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Dplotmach, you asked "What is the best way to learn how to think (nearly) absolutely logical?"
From my own experience, learning to think in a neutral-positive way would be the first step in this process.
Salome,
Anthea
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Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 417
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:56 pm: |
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Dplotmach,
It's impossible for any material human life-form to think totally logical, complete logical thinking is only possible for half-material/half-spiritual human beings like the high counsel or pure-spiritforms, like Arahat Athersata.
ALL material human life is prone to making mistakes, this includes the Plejarens as well, although they make much less mistakes then the Earth humans do because they have evolved a lot further.
An consciousness-related illness does not make a human any less then any other, its just like any other illness that needs to be treated, in the case of schizophrenia and many other consciousness-related/psychological illnesses and disorders they need to be cured or treated as good as possible when meditation is attempted.
Meditation is a excersize of the consciousness-forms in relation with the Psyche and the spiritform (although the spiritform stays completely passive)
If the consciousness-forms are troubled then the results obtained by meditation-attempts will be questionable because a consciousness-related disorder like schizophrenia would interfere with the observations made during meditation, in short the experiences in meditation could be false and be in fact an euphoric experience.
Schizophrenia, when treated correctly with counseling and proper medication allow the consciousness-forms to correctly send and receive impulses to the spirit-consciousnessforms to an extend.
Drugs of all kinds influence more or less the function of the brain and its ability to think logical, that is why the function of the brain should be kept in its natural unaltered state, ergo:
No drugs of any kind prior to meditation, that includes coffee, alcohol or nicotine.
So, yes, you can meditate, but its important to follow the meditation teaching to the letter, which is by the way valid for everyone who practices true meditation.
Salome,
Jacob
"If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have."
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Jrosales80
Member
Post Number: 18
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Hello All, I posted a question to Billy and I didn’t really understand one part of the response and I was wondering if anyone could help me with it. Here’s the short version so you don’t have to go searching for it:
Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 09:36 pm:
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The main reason that I joined this group is because I have schizoaffective disorder, a mild form of schizophrenia and nothing really seems to work. I can't work and I can barely walk the streets because I have totally strange thoughts (like I feel I'm being followed). What, in your opinion, can I do about this? Thanks in advance.
Answer
Meditation would be dangerous for you. You must find a connection to reality and concentrate on the things of everyday life, and you should direct/gather your thoughts in a clear manner. And of course you should take the medications.
And you should try to neutralize your delusion (Wahn).
I understand how to “direct my thoughts”. But how would I “gather” my thoughts? I am much better ow but how would I “neutralize” my delusion? What would be the psychological process in doing this? Childhood analysis? Past trauma analysis? I’m trying to learn German so I can read “Die Psyche”. What other of Billy’s books deals with mental illness, and why is it unsafe for me to try meditation? Sorry for all the questions.
Thanks. |
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